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In response to overly cruel surrender terms toward the nation of Glatannia, the region of Feilden shall declare war against Sonic Hero Land to lift the terms brought against Glatannia. As the commander of the Feilden Regional Attack Force(FRAF) I am mobilizing:

2,000 Military Humvees
100 M548A1 tracked cargo carriers
50 Military Ambulances
2,500 M24 Chaffes
1,000 Dock Landing Ships
20 Yamato Battleships
5,000 81mm Mortars
500,000 soldiers preparing to load themselves and all equipment into the ships.

What were these terms?

So...he beat you, and your declaring war on him for it?
Anyway, with that sort of invasion force, your going to lose again.
Humvees do not make a good spearhead.

So...in any case, please provide some proof of these overly cruel surrender terms.
I dont know WHY I bother typing the above again and again, they either ignore it or never post again.
*sigh*

So...he beat you, and your declaring war on him for it?
Anyway, with that sort of invasion force, your going to lose again.
Humvees do not make a good spearhead.

So...in any case, please provide some proof of these overly cruel surrender terms.
I dont know WHY I bother typing the above again and again, they either ignore it or never post again.
*sigh*

True.

Which part?

Mind your own business. But I'll tell you anyway that I wasn't allowed to build a military and he could keep "adding on terms whenever he wants". As if he had any jurisdiction over my nation!

Mind your own business. But I'll tell you anyway that I wasn't allowed to build a military and he could keep "adding on terms whenever he wants". As if he had any jurisdiction over my nation!

Ah, those are harsh and rather unreal terms for any nation to try.

His 'jurisdiction' is the fact that he beat you.
So, have you TOLD him that your declaring war? Its considered polite to send a telegram his way informing him of your...force, I suggest you do so if you havent.
And declaring war isnt the right way to go about this, you ask for help first, from other nations, large ones, like myself. They then procede to seriously prod buttock in your name, and tell the nation abusing you that on pain of pain they will be nice.

Thanks. I hope to lift these terms and shake off this menace once and for all.

To Dontgonearththere : yes I did.

Tell me if it ever gets around to a battle, I may just help you.

Thanks again heheh ..Peace up, A-Town down..

"Upon a loss during a State of War the loosing nation must aggree to the terms imposed upon them, however should the situation warrent that nation may call upon it's sovereignty at a later date, We therefore will be deploying our Fourth Naval Fleet to Galatannian Waters. They will be ordered to act in an obseveratory function until such time as we see fit to act."

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Minister for Foreign Affairs

"Upon a loss during a State of War the loosing nation must aggree to the terms imposed upon them, however should the situation warrent that nation may call upon it's sovereignty at a later date, We therefore will be deploying our Fourth Naval Fleet to Galatannian Waters. They will be ordered to act in an obseveratory function until such time as we see fit to act."

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Minister for Foreign Affairs

In other words they must obey the terms?/.

"Upon a loss during a State of War the loosing nation must aggree to the terms imposed upon them, however should the situation warrent that nation may call upon it's sovereignty at a later date, We therefore will be deploying our Fourth Naval Fleet to Galatannian Waters. They will be ordered to act in an obseveratory function until such time as we see fit to act."

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Minister for Foreign Affairs

In other words they must obey the terms?/."They are bound to them, however that is not to say they will not exert soveriegnty at a later date."

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Minister for Foreign Affairs[/quote]

Can other nations, I think so, help that nation regain soverignty.

Can other nations, I think so, help that nation regain soverignty."Other nations are not bound by that agreement, and are free to in whatever measn they deem appropriate. Short answer, yes"
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Minister for Foreign Affairs

If you make terms way too harsh youre just asking for war. WWII was started because we gave germany such crappy terms and they wanted revenge.

"The Senate offers to the nation of Glatannia the title of Rotovian Protectoriate, which will effectively grant your nation soveriegnty, indpendance and protection by our government and military"

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Minister for Foreign Affairs

Glattania I will offer you military aid to resist the terms and the nation imposing the terms, if you tell me what and how much you need, I just ask that when it is over that I may have 3 military bases on your land, one inland, one coastal, and one random choosing one.

Thanks for the offer (Rotovia), but I'm going to do this the old fashioned way. However there is still a peaceful solution. If Sonic Hero Land nullifies all surrender terms and returns the invasion force that they took from me at the end of the firstwar, then I will cancel the war. Sonic Hero Land has 48 hours to respond. In the event of war, any nation is free to join me..

So, war it is Glatannia? We understand that no nation should oppress another. Although we have yet to commit to assist you in THIS war, we nonetheless must advise your adversary that the entire Alliance of Independent States (A.I.S.) has been in constant contact with Feilden, and has come to terms with your entire region on alliance articles in another matter. We and our entire region, are not adverse to speaking up against the oppression imposed upon our friend Glatannia!

2 RNI carrier groups are just outside Glatannia's waters. Included with two full carriers (Nimitz) are 12 Alrliegh Burke Destroyers, 8 Ticonderoga Cruisers, 2 Wasp Landing Ships with full escort and full compliment of RNI Marines, along with the requisite support ships and aircraft. In addition, our fully dedicated Amphibious Strike Force Delta, also escorted by one Nicholas Kerencsky Class carrier and with 4 Arliegh Burkes and 4 Toconderogas, which consists of approximately 20,000 troops is currently on a "training" mission less than three days from Glatannia's waters. It includes:

1xLCC-19 Blue Ridge Joint Command Ship
4xRaptor Class LHD
2xSamurai Class LHA
5xLPD-4 Austin
2xLSD-49 Harper’s Ferry
5xLSD-41 Whidbey Island
36xLCU-1600
28xLCM-8
36xF-35B JSF
24xAH-1W Super Cobra
92xCH-46 Sea Knight
44xCH-53E Super Stallion
24xMV-67
22xUH-60L Black Hawk
4xHH-60H
Landing Capacity: 20,000 troops

Additional Long Range Bombers have been fueled. Other fighters are awaiting for the orders from RNI HQ and Glatannia's permission, to commence exercises in Glatannia's airspace. Of course, entire mechanized and heavy assault divisions would be mobilized to Glatannia's borders if Glatannia believed RNI's air operations there might need additional protection from hostile forces... since they are not permitted to have a military strong enough to lend adequate support. There are also an undisclosed number of Los Angeles, Seawolf, and Ohio Class submarines somewhere near Glatannia.

Additionally, it is RNI's understanding that similar forces from AIS member Nations Kiss my a, MMI, OfLower Urban Gorillas, Shutdafup, and Lex Terrae, are also en route to thre region.

On behalf of the A.I.S., we would request that Glatannia's reasonable request be honored by the most respectable leaders of Sonic Hero Land. Your point has been made. You have defeated Glatannia in the past. The people of Glatannia now wish to have their sovereign dignity restored. Hostility is not the answer. Please consider a peaceful solution.

RNI Supreme Chancellor

Glatannia I pledge my full support to you and to avoid this unreasonable terms and conditions. I will post my statistics later.

I will send my White Fleet with 78 Ships commanded under Admiral Jerse and Field Master James Watson.

I also send 26,000 Marines to allow land defensive efforts.

The Turetelian White Fleet, with Permission from Glatannia, will begin evasive tactics and will sink any ship that has a military style weapon know or any ship off of its normal trade route.

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Marines Are commanded by:

Field Master Hastings (4,500 men)
General L. Bright (10,000 men)
Major James Brown (2,500 men)
Head of Marines Jazzson McAbb (10,000 men)



OOC: Might not be back until tommorrow afternoon CST.

Glatannia has requested the assistance of MMI and AIS countries in this matter, and we support other independent countries against hostility, especially outrageous surrender terms. Therefore, The Empire of MMI has dispatched a carrier fleet to Glatannia waters. Statistics of the fleet and invasion force will be revealed later if needed.

HOWEVER, Glatannia must reveal the conditions and nature of the previous war. Specifically, who started the aggression? What were the exact circumstances. Who fired first and why? MMI and AIS must be convinced of the justification of this conflict and we will only commit if there is absolutely no other possible solution. Let us please hear from Sonic Hero Land. Clarify these issues with fruitful dialogue.

Find a peaceful solution if there is one.

Well I found on their message board a threat to attack my region. I responded by asking them to hand over a part of their military to me, removing the threat. However, they refused and said they were going to "give me hell". So I launched an assault against their region and war ensued.

Turetel is at this moment preparing to evacuate troops unless I get a link to the orginal fight and who started it.

So this is what that sleaze is doing. The terms of surrender were that he disband Wateris (His old region) , move to Sonic Hero Land, and turn over his military to be part of our Regional Defense System. I guess we forgot to tell him to stay. I hate loopholes.

So this is what that sleaze is doing. The terms of surrender were that he disband Wateris (His old region) , move to Sonic Hero Land, and turn over his military to be part of our Regional Defense System. I guess we forgot to tell him to stay. I hate loopholes.

Sonic Triple Threat told me I could never make a military again plus any weapons I make are "automatically" transferred to him.

Ah, if that is the case, then Dontgonearthere will be throwing in with Glatannia.
Our forces will only be used in defence of Glatanian soil, and will not participate in any offensive action except to regain lost ground.

As of now the FFR (First Fast Reaction) Division is preparing to leave.

The FFR Consists of:
10,000 Infantry
2,500 FLASH tanks
2,500 Stumpy Medium tanks
1,750 Bulldog Heavy tanks
500 Goliath Ultra-Heavy tanks
200 Diplomat STS Rocket launchers
200 Rocko SAM launchers
100 Pillager Heavy SAM launchers
50 Hunter/Killer Suits
5 Khan Command Suits

More forces may follow, as we see fit.

TO insure that Nuclear Arms are not used, a small division of the Dontgonearthere Space Navy has been ordered into geosyncronous orbit above the warzone, any missiles launched will be intercepted, and the nation using them (This includes Glatannia) will be...dealt with.
Do not attempt to deploy WMD. On pain of pain.

Beep beep beep beep beep

To: Admiral Dewie Z. Sinkum, RNI 7th Naval Fleet & General Demize Frum Abov, RNI Strategic Air Command
From: The Supreme Chancellor, High Commander of All

Withdraw all naval vessels from Glatannia's waters and into International waters immediately and until further notice. All units in Strategic Air Command shall immediately step down to Alert Status 3 from Alert Status 2.



To: Glatannia High Command
From: His Most High Envoy of the Supreme Chancellor of RNI

Please be advised that all RNI forces are withdrawing to a strictly defensive position. RNI will be in a position to defend your borders if an unprovoked attack is launched against your nation.

However, http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=127306&highlight= would indicate that you launched the initial strike in this continuing hostility between Glatannia and Sonic Hero. Although the initial pre-emptive strike may not have been "unprovoked", RNI seeks assurances from Glatannia that its war against another nation is justified.

The Sovereign Nation of RNI, and the AIS will be most pleased to assist in avoiding bloodshed. RNI will work to mediate this misunderstanding between you and your enemies. However, without more information from Glatannia, no matter how much the AIS or RNI might wish to assist, we value our sovereign dignity and the Alliance's reputation above all else. Therefore, we will not engage in unprovoked aggression, even on the side of a friend.

Please verify RNI's information that said war was a pre-emptive strike, and that the conditions of your surrender were overly unreasonable. As of today, RNI and MMI have been gathering intelligence reports that indicate Glatannia may be shedding blood for no reasaon. The terms, as you understand them to be, may not be what you think they are. Now you are not bound by the terms of the region/protectorate of that region, you may be free to assemble whatever military forces you see fit. This war may be unnecessary.

I propose you post your "Declaration of Independence" as it were, to the powers that authored the surrender terms, and inform them that you shall no longer live under their thumb. RNI and the AIS waits to support you. As of now, however, we will continue diplomatic channels, yet build up for conflict if it cannot be avoided. Furthermore, please be assured that although we have stood down and withdrawn, we are STILL in a defensive posture and can strike at a moments notice. Let not thine enemy strike at thee, lest they be stricken with great fury!

Communique from MMI State Department Spokesman to Glatannia:

MMI's carrier fleet and invasion force has arrived immediately off of Glatannia waters. They will remain off of the RNI flank position in defensive posture until intelligence is completed and Glatannia clears up the matter pointed out by RNI in the above wire. Meanwhile, like RNI, we will defend Glatannia against unprovoked attack but we will not undertake unprovoked attack against any soverign nation. We will wait for Glatannia's response to the RNI memo or will recall our task force.

Meanwhile, it appears that a large coalition of nations has rushed to your side in defense of what appears to be unreasonable terms of surrender. From what we can gather, Glatannia might have instigated aggression on a threat which might have been too hasty and irresponsible. Regardless, what is done is done and those surrender terms are excessive in the least.

Therefore, MMI highly supports RNI's advise on formation of a "Declaration of Independence". We suggest that you release one soon while you have sufficient defenses in and around your country. Then let us wait to hear a response from Sonic Hero Land members who warred with you and administer to your terms of surrender. Maybe this can be resolved after all.

(By the way, I feel sorry for you Glatannia. I read that war post above and most of your opponents couldn't role-play their way out of a paper bag. How frustrating.)

DGNT forces have arrived via landers, deployment information is requested. Shall our forces move to any particular place?

In his headquarters, atop MMI towers in the sprawling city of Psychropolis, the Emperor of MMI stares through the monstrous 30 foot glass walls of the skyscraper onto the cold city below. Behind him, all he can hear are the heavy bootsteps approaching as they clack on the cold marble floor. The footsteps come to an abrupt halt some distance away.

"Ahhh, hmmmm. Excuse me your Excellency. I have news to report on the Glatannian matter, sir" states the young Naval Commandant Sinkem Quick, of the MMI Saudakar Sea Forces.

The Emperor continues to stare through the window onto the city. "Continue, ... Commandant".

Quick: "Our fleet has arrived off of Glatannia's territorial waters. Admiral Bell has made contact with the RNI fleet and awaits our orders. I have also dispatched the nuclear attack submarines as you have requested. They will join Admiral Bell very soon, sir."

Emperor: "And what of word from Glatannia?"

Quick: "Nothing yet, your Excellency. We're still waiting on their response. We shall hear from their Ambassador soon, sir"

Emperor: "And what of Sonic Hero Land? Do they know what awaits them?"

Quick: "Not exactly, your Excellency. However, our State Department has informed each country by telegram on the urgency of the situation. Their region is in disarray at the moment trying to gather a response. We shall know their intentions soon, sir."

The Emperor continues to stare out the window onto the frigid streets below and pauses slightly in reflection. "Excellent, Commandant. Report to me at once when you hear from the Glatannian Ambassador."

Quick: "Yes, of course your Excellency." Commandant Quick bows slightly.

Emperor: "Oh, and Commandant ..." The Emperor turns to look at Quick, ... "Inform the Commander of our Saudakar BlackOps units to report to me at once."

Quick: "Of course, your Excellency. At once." Commandant Quick bows and exits the Emperors chambers.

Alright, time to settle this. The terms were plenty fair. The terms were..."Disarm and move to Sonic Hero Land." I never said he couldn't rebuild a military, I never said he had to delete his old region. He has in fact obeyed the terms. This whole thing is just a plot to turn people against us, so he can have his revenge. Look at the original war. Tell me if you see any "unfair terms." He has duped all of you. Also, my Egg Carriers have taken defensive postions in case I am attacked anyway. My Blue Eagles ore on patrol, and my tornados and X- tornados are flying cap around my Egg Carriers. My artificial Chaos have gone underwater as to control the curents and cause water spouts if needed. The RDS (Regional defense system) is activated. Here is my answer: If anyone wants a fight, you'll get one, but only if you attack me, or Sonic Hero Land. I will not invade unless I'm attacked first. Once again check the terms and tell me if it's worth fighting a pointless war.

THAT IS A LOAD OF BULLSH!T! Sonic Triple Threat said that by disarming, I could never rearm again.

Oh yeah, MMI, you're right. We would have won that war if they didn't I.G.N.O.R.E. every fricken thing we did. It made me and my friends want to punch the computer screen.

Oh well, it matters not, if possible I would prefer a peaceful solution. I would like Sonic Triple Threat to approve these terms proposed by the AIS.

1. Sonic Triple Threat agrees that any and all conditions of the previous surrender terms of Glatannia, the original aggressor, have been met, and therefore, Glatannia, is free to live and govern as it sees fit.

2. It is further agreed by Sonic Triple Threat, that neither it nor the Region of Sonic Hero Land, will hold Glatannia in breach of the terms of surrender, so long as Glatannia never enters the region of Sonic Hero Land again.

3. Should Glatannia, or any other nation directly appointed by Glatannia to do so, enter the region of Sonic Hero Land without authorizaion, said intrusion will be deemed an act of unprovoked agression.

4. Glatannia agrees that it will never enter the region of Sonic Hero Land, nor wage war against that region again, unless, openly and unequivically provoked by said region, yet shall attempt to resolve any and all future conflicts, if any, first through diplomatic channels and peaceful attempts, without disparaging in public the good name of Sonic Triple Threat or Sonic Hero Land.

Glatannia agrees to the above terms.

In the 1st war with SHL (Sonic Hero Land) everything was going good, until we started winning. Thats when the IGNORING started, they would ignore everything we did. (MMI you are correct) I for one do not know the exact Surrender terms. But on numerous occasions i saw/heard Glatannia complaning about the surrender terms. Also while i was in SHL (I moved there for a few days) i remember seeing STT (Sonic Triple Threat) saying something like "Look guys, Glatannia is making a military again, and he knows he can't do that." or something to that effect.
I dont have proof because i forgot to save. it :cry:
So I will stand by you Glatannia, yet again.

A recent deal conducted with Glatannia has cemented his status as a Protectorate of the Dontgonearthere Empire.
Any state seeking to impose on the soverignty of Glatannia will be dealt with VERY sharply. Do not attack Glatannia, on pain of pain.
Savvy?

Rumors abound that a peaceful solution is near. We wait for confirmation.

I will send an egg carrier that i got from STT and use it 2 like defend Glatannia: but dont kopy it kauz i will kill ya if u do Glat or any allies of Glat....

Glatannia is not in need of more defences. We currently have several billion tons of steel floating over it, along with a DGNT Army Detachment attached to the prefab base now being set up in the area sold to us in the deal with Glatannia, and as such any modern, future, or other time-scale nation attacking Glatannia will be faced with a rather large fleet, plus a number of allies.
If you are needed, we will be sure to 'like, luk u up'.

OOC:
Back of boyo, hes mine :P
Anyway, Glatannia signed a deal with Dontgonearthere, and is now an ally of mine, in a not-quite-part-of-my-Empire way ;)

**bump**

how many ships r here? 100, 200? my fleet is easily over 150... plus i m movin into the bases i constructed in Glatannia back in da 1st war... the nuke core and bio and chem weapons there r still active...

The People's Republic of Mora Tau rejects this war of aggression and calls on all nations to boycott Glattania and the Sonic Hero (as it is laughingly called) Land completely and unconditionally.

The People's Republic of Mora Tau shall destroy any forces from these two nations if they ever happen to enter the territories of the People's Republic, and calls on all other nations to do likewise.

The People's Republic shall act in solidarity with the people of Turetel in their efforts to stop this foolish war of aggression.

DOWN WITH IMPERIALISM!
LONG LIVE THE EFFORTS OF THE OPPRESSED PEOPLES OF GLATTANIA AND SONIC HERO LAND IN THEIR EFFORTS TO OVERTHROW THEIR TYRANNICAL MASTERS!
LONG LIVE THE GLORIOUS SOCIALIST REVOLUTION!

The dark gray steal doors slide open with a hiss. The Supreme Chancellor, slowly turns his swiveling chair from the window-screen over-looking the Capitol City of Mikesright and faces the tall figure in the doorway.

SUPREME CHANCELLOR: Has everything been taken care of, Killnikov?

GENERAL KILLNIKOV: Yes, your Excellency. The die has been cast, and all is in place. If they try to overtake the facilities, they will be most rudely interrupted.

SPURPEME CHANCELLOR: Indeed. They won't know what hit them. And of course, they will blame others without pointing the finger at themselves.

GENERAL KILLNIKOV: Without question, your Excellency. STT has posed no threat to peace, unlike Hard Rock. Please be assured Your Excellency that my men have sworn under pain of death, that they will succeed. HRB will NOT succeed in this... this terrorism.

SUPREME CHANCELLOR: Oh well, so be it. The NS World will shun them for attempting to cause such chaos and destruction. [pauses, sips a cup of hot tea, looks at a tactical map of Glatannia and the immediate region surrounding it] Good work. Then go General. Go "inform" your sources in the international press corps. Let this story "leak" out... in due time, of course. Dismissed.

With that, General Killnikov quickly bows, pivots and turns perfectly, his long black coat waving in the breeze it created. His hat placed back atop his head. He then walks from the Chancellor's presence... the doors slide shut again. As he exits, he thinks, "Hmmm. Truly, they will never know what hit them. Genius."

HARD ROCK ALONE! UNILATERAL THREATS CALL INTO QUESTION HRB's STABILITY

NEWSFLASH! Associated NS Press:
GLATANNIA: Seemingly unaware, or simply in ignorance of Sonic Triple Threat's interest in resolving the Glatannia issue in a peaceful manner, STT's supposed ally is unilaterally ratcheting-up threats of war, not peace. In an announcement to the NSWorld yesterday, Hard Rock Beyond, threatened to invade Glatannia and retake old, abandoned bases allegedly containing nuclear, biological, and chemical materials. This is obviously news to STT who wants no part of a war unless it is thrust upon it, not because of fear, but because STT is a well-respected member of the NSWorld, and desires peace and prosperity above all, while preserving its own sovereign dignity.

"Apparently Hard Rock is not as much of an ally to Sonic Triple Threat as it would like everyone to believe, otherwise it would not engage in such uninformed and irresponsible rhetoric." Said R.N.I. Press Secretary, Ignore N. Spinster. "We have been in communication with STT, and firmly believe that such a well-respected and reasonable nation would not condone HRB's behavior, that is supposedly being acted out in the name of STT."

In another development, the R.N.I. Intelligence Bureau, has released a statement that may explain some of the recent troop movements in and around the region:

"Although R.N.I. is committed to a peaceful resolution of this situation, we have taken all appropriate steps to ensure that the A.I.S. is well-protected. We are concerned for the safety of Glatannia, as well as the other members of the coalition that are currently protecting Glatannia's borders. However, information recently obtained strongly suggests that Hard Rock Beyond is acting without the consent, permission, or guidance of Sonic Triple Threat. In fact, it is now suspected that Hard Rock Beyond, may be harboring terrorists, since it readily and without pause has implied a threat to use weapons of mass destruction within the borders of Glatannia.

A recently intercepted communiqué reveals that perhaps some group, whether officially a part of HRB or a well-trained, but officially unassociated cell of individuals, is attempting to operate in Glatannia Proper. R.N.I. strongly urges Glatannia and all those assisting, to heighten its awareness, and increase security around the more sensitive facilities in Glatannia."

The NSWorld News will break in with any updates as they come in.

Dontgonearthere will constitute any unauthorized movement of troops, ships or material into Glatannia will be considered as an attack upon Dontgonearthere and dealt with accordingly.

OOC:
Ok everybody, before we go further lets wait for Glatannia's take on this.

OOC: Dontgonearthere, you make a good point. Nothing like having Glatannia turn on his comuter tomorrow and find out that his country has been attacked, defended, nuked, chemmed, then rebuilt. Kinda funny though.

OCC: Have we even received a Sonic Triple Threat reply to the peace terms? I haven't seen them post.

RNI received a telegram a few days ago from STT that strongly indicated a willingness to come to a peaceful solution as we discussed recently.

Actually I am reactivating bases rigged with NBC weapons and other things to DEFEND Glatannia but as of now, I officially switch sides, and prepare the launch of Chemical weapons, and refill the bases. 80 Battleships and 40 Carriers sail into the harbor of Glatannia, and 10,000 Defiant Class Starfleet Vessels fly in from Alpha Centauri C (4.22 LY away) and land in the 1,000 bases' helipads. Space marines that had stayed in Glatannia as secret agents have been reawaken, and are taking over the capital city. The other 90,000 Defiant Class Starfleet Vessels are defending Hard Rock Beyond's space stations, which are covered with Ion Mirrors, and filled with Nuclear Weapons. The attack begins after being wrongly accused.... and it is all your fault!

Point 1: I got involved in this because I became indepent of SHL, I am now in a region called "Delta Force", with 2 other nations... and multiable allys outside of DF...

Point 2: I was defending Glatannia

Point 3: I had built the bases on the shore to strengthen SHL's position before the surrender.

Point 4: I was sending hundreds of thousands of Space Marines up per NS year, over like 5 million already...

OOC: Thats all, and thank you for making me switch from Glatannia's ally to his greatest threat.... and Buck is probebly online rite now.... lol :lol:

This is crazy. A treaty is a treaty, although a most unfair treaty it must be obeyed all the same. There wasa reason why Germany was stripped of its army and we were made bloody sure that we would not forget it. By giving Glatannia weapons and an army back we may be releasing a plague upon this world.

If you win, you are allowed to disarm the other nation - it has been practised since war began! The most obvious time disarming has been used was with the Second Reich after the end of the First World War. Disarming is legitmate and needed to guarantee security to nations that are at risk of an attack. If Sonic Hero land deemed their defeated adversary as a threat, then they are completely justified.

Actually I am reactivating bases rigged with NBC weapons and other things to DEFEND Glatannia but as of now, I officially switch sides, and prepare the launch of Chemical weapons, and refill the bases. 80 Battleships and 40 Carriers sail into the harbor of Glatannia, and 10,000 Defiant Class Starfleet Vessels fly in from Alpha Centauri C (4.22 LY away) and land in the 1,000 bases' helipads. Space marines that had stayed in Glatannia as secret agents have been reawaken, and are taking over the capital city. The other 90,000 Defiant Class Starfleet Vessels are defending Hard Rock Beyond's space stations, which are covered with Ion Mirrors, and filled with Nuclear Weapons. The attack begins after being wrongly accused.... and it is all your fault!

NSWorld News: This is NSWN

In a statement to delegates of the A.I.S., R.N.I. Ambassador Eugene Naught Rodenberry, called in to question the "stability of Hard Rock Beyond." "A nation that can turn on a dime and 'switch sides' like that, while continuing to threaten the use of weapons of mass destruction is not only irresponsible, but is completely unstable, untrustworthy, and apparently rightly shunned or kicked out of Sonic Hero Land." He continued, "Starfleet vessels? Alpha Centauri? Ion Mirrors? I thought the NS World was trying to eradicate lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD) and phencyclidine (PCP)?" He went on to say with a smile on his face and his arms flailing about, "well I guess we better set our phasers for stun, have Scottie beam us out, and surrender now, otherwise Darth Vader, the Klingons, and The Starship Troopers are going to vaporize us." He then called for a unanimous resolution by the A.I.S. to ban the crack/Phantom Menace DVD combo being illegally distributed throughout the region.

This has been an NSWN newsbreak. Now back to our regularly scheduled program.

If you win, you are allowed to disarm the other nation - it has been practised since war began! The most obvious time disarming has been used was with the Second Reich after the end of the First World War. Disarming is legitmate and needed to guarantee security to nations that are at risk of an attack. If Sonic Hero land deemed their defeated adversary as a threat, then they are completely justified.

Without question that the premise is correct. However, how long do such terms last? Essentially until, like the 3rd Reich, war comes of it as oppressive terms breed only bitterness and hostility, or, as in the case here, where Sonic Triple Threat has communicated a VERY noble and credible desire to end this dispute peacefully.

Inyurface, for one, openly and publicly applauds STT for its anticipated peaceful solution and urges all nations to encourage the same. STT can and we predict, WILL come out of this whole thing looking like a true and strong leader in the name of peace. Certainly far from weak or intimidation, STT must be respected for the peaceful resolution we know will happen.

OOC: First of all, we are on the brink of a peaceful resolution by Sonic and Glatannia. There is no need for additional hostilities.

Second, Hard Rock's economy cannot support all of those units so your post is I.G.N.O.R.E.D. Don't be such a nOOb.

Well my economies support it rather well... I am ordering hundreds of ships at a time, and I receive funds from my friends at Delta Force... Delta Force SAS, Der Neue Auftrag Jedi, and myself, Hard Rock Beyond, support these all.

Point 1: I was trying to defend Glatannia until you accused me of attacking.

Point 2: We are fighting a Future-Tech war, as you cannot decrease your technology after a war.

Point 3: I have built these weapons off of Uranium Mining in the beginning of my nation's rise.

Point 4: My weaponry is from the 23th and 24th centuries, AKA Star Trek The Next Generation, with Science Officer Wesley Crusher, Chief Medical Officer Crusher, Commander Thomas Riker, and the others, because of advances from a Torpedo accident making a temporary 'ripple' in time, saving the HRB War 3-C, the advanced and cripled Galaxy Class vessel. As for a Defiant Class: They are very small, and high-priority targets, with cloaking devices, 2 types of energy weapons, and quantruim torpedos (4x more powerful than normal torpedos). With little but the necessary, the Defiant Class was meant to protect against Borg Invasion, but they were not launched because of some electronic problems and fitting different parts into a small vessel. This was meant to be able to do VTOL's (Vertical Takeoff or Landings) and fight in a planet's atmosphere. I was neither kicked out of or shunned from Sonic Hero Land, but I had left to join myself in Delta Force.

1st: those other nations in Delta Force are puppets of HRB (Hard Rock Beyond)

2nd: I hope you know the uranium mining thing, didn't give you trillions, and trillions, and trillions of USD Dollars

3rd: You can't afford all of that, even with your other nations.
Hard Rock Beyond as of now has: 1.3 trillion USD at 30% (you should spend like what 15% of your economy?)
Delta Force SAS as of now has: 1.3 trillion USD at 30% (again you should spend what 15%?)
Der Neue Auftrag Jedi as of now has: 721 billion USD at 30% (Yet again, you should spend less then 15%?)
That adds up to (around): 3.321 billion

4th: Do you play 1RL day=1NS year? That is totally unrealistic (should be more like what 1RL day=1,2 NS Month?)

5th: What planet are your from? That space fleet is well into the trillions, if not past that.

OOC: Dont give BS about, i developed this in the past and it didn't work, but i fixed it. By researching that, should have cost you money, further adding to your expenses. Also think about something called Annual Operating Cost. God you should bankrupt with the annual operation cost alone.

Edit: added OOC

OOC: Sorry, I guess we weren't affected by your "torpedo" accident cause a "ripple-in-time". 90,000+ starships? How much did that cost? Nevertheless, let's hope Glatannia and Sonic settle this one.

1st: those other nations in Delta Force are puppets of HRB (Hard Rock Beyond)

2nd: I hope you know the uranium mining thing, didn't give you trillions, and trillions, and trillions of USD Dollars

3rd: You can't afford all of that, even with your other nations.
Hard Rock Beyond as of now has: 1.3 trillion USD at 30% (you should spend like what 15% of your economy?)
Delta Force SAS as of now has: 1.3 trillion USD at 30% (again you should spend what 15%?)
Der Neue Auftrag Jedi as of now has: 721 billion USD at 30% (Yet again, you should spend less then 15%?)
That adds up to (around): 3.321 billion

4th: Do you play 1RL day=1NS year? That is totally unrealistic (should be more like what 1RL day=1,2 NS Month?)

5th: What planet are your from? That space fleet is well into the trillions, if not past that.

OOC: Dont give BS about, i developed this in the past and it didn't work, but i fixed it. That still cost you back then probably more then what it is now. Also think about something called Annual Operating Cost. God you should bankrupt with the annual operation cost alone.

OOC: I guess none of us were affected by your "torpedo" accident cause a "ripple-in-time". 90,000+ starships? How much did that cost? Nevertheless, let's hope Glatannia and Sonic settle this one.

1st: those other nations in Delta Force are puppets of HRB (Hard Rock Beyond)

2nd: I hope you know the uranium mining thing, didn't give you trillions, and trillions, and trillions of USD Dollars

3rd: You can't afford all of that, even with your other nations.
Hard Rock Beyond as of now has: 1.3 trillion USD at 30% (you should spend like what 15% of your economy?)
Delta Force SAS as of now has: 1.3 trillion USD at 30% (again you should spend what 15%?)
Der Neue Auftrag Jedi as of now has: 721 billion USD at 30% (Yet again, you should spend less then 15%?)
That adds up to (around): 3.321 billion

4th: Do you play 1RL day=1NS year? That is totally unrealistic (should be more like what 1RL day=1,2 NS Month?)

5th: What planet are your from? That space fleet is well into the trillions, if not past that.

OOC: Dont give BS about, i developed this in the past and it didn't work, but i fixed it. By researching that, should have cost you money, further adding to your expenses. Also think about something called Annual Operating Cost. God you should bankrupt with the annual operation cost alone.

Listen to these stats:

Hard Rock Beyond - 5/12/04

Pop: 493 million
Econ: Good
Gov: Inoffensive Centurist Democracy
Tax Rate: 78%
Tax Type: Higher for wealthy
Mili Spending: 38.41663% of budget

Budget: 5.20608 trillion
Military Budget: 2 trillion

Delta Force - 5/12/04

Pop: 210 million
Econ: Thriving
Gov: Inoffensive Centurist Democracy
Tax Rate: 56%
Tax Type: Higher for wealthy
Mili Spending: 28.86003% of budget

Budget: 3.465 trillion
Military Budget: 1 trillion

Der Neue Auftrag Jedi - 5/12/04

Pop: 375 million
Econ: Reasonable
Gov: Democratic Socialists
Tax Rate: 93%
Tax Type: Higher for wealthy
Mili Spending: % of budget

Budget: 2.45115 trillion
Military Budget: 1 trillion



Point 1: The uranium mining was to make the current weapons

Point 2: You are using an older GND calculator.

Point 3: I play 1RL Day = 1 NS Year.

Point 4: No planet :wink: I was born in space on a Galaxy Class Starfleet Vessel... :wink: plus my 'terms' of service is they serve for as long as there is war, and my entire space fleet only uses 4,000,200 peoples, out of about 493,000,000... and the ships are produced at appx. 1,000 per NS year.

Point 5: You messed up on the calculations: its not 4.321 billion, but rather 3,321 billion, if I even used your calculations. Setup is this: HRB pays for the stuff and builds it, DF supplys the men, DNAJ provides weapons, while HRB is in supreme command.

OOC:

I disagree with you on your budget calculations. I'm not sure what GDP calculator you're using but most people use the pipian one:

Check here: http://www.pipian.com/stuffforchat/gdpcalc.php?nation=Hard%20Rock%20Beyond&defenseprovided=1&defense=20&militarybudget=1

Your tax rates are through the roof and your military budgets are also inflated. This is a huge discrepancy. Most nations use a pipian calculator above, in which case the total military budgets for these three countries would be the following:

HRB $222,832,056,000
DF $242,272,800,000
DNAJ $111,513,375,000

Therefore, a total military budget combined for these three countries is only around 577 billion. If you run a country with high tax rates, you economy will stifle and your military budget will decrease. There is absolutely no way you can afford all that stuff you have. It is simply impossible. In fact, I doubt you would even afford the upkeep costs even if someone gave you all of it.

Bottom line is that it's your country so you can do what you want. However, you're being perceived as a God mod and most people will just IGNORE you. You must be realistic in order for players to take you seriously.

Also, are your running all of these countries yourself or what?

I am sorry i posted so much, i didn't mean to. (i have a damn trojan virus) I dunno maybe i hit post to much :shock: o well.

I am sorry that i use an "ancient" budget calculator. I shall start using the pipian one immediately. But i am happy that a few of my points got noted, even if they are in-correct.
This is why Glatannia, and allies lost the last war.....

OOC: anyone have anything i can download to get rid of this trojan? I am sorry i have to post it here, but i have no other choice. Thank you

HRB was walking towards the Memorial at Inyurface Hero Plaza...

Point 4: No planet I was born in space on a Galaxy Class Starfleet Vessel... plus my 'terms' of service is they serve for as long as there is war, and my entire space fleet only uses 4,000,200 peoples, out of about 493,000,000... and the ships are produced at appx. 1,000 per NS year.

The mighty Dark Gray doors slide open with a swoosh, as General Killnikov enters. The look on his face is grim, and the Supreme Chancellor knows it isn’t good:

Supreme Chancellor: General, have you brought news of the enemy?

General Killnikov: Yes, Your Excellency, but there is something you should know first.

Supreme Chancellor: Yes. Go on.

General Killnikov: It’s that kid again Your Excellency. He’s at it again. This time he’s standing on the front steps of the Capitol Monument to the Fallen Heroes with a plastic Wookie in one hand, a model of the Starship Enterprise in the other….

Supreme Chancellor: Ohhhh which one!?

General Killnikov: Ahhhhhh, Captain Kirk’s I believe, NCC-1701-A, you know Excellency, the one they got back after defeating that guy from Taxi who played Reverend Jim Ignatowski… the Klingon Bastard who killed Kirk’s son when they arrived at the Genesis planet to rescue the dead old Spock, but he really wasn’t dead, just a reborn little Vulcan boy going through Vulcan puberty…

Supreme Chancellor: Oh yes, not a very good movie.

General Killnikov: Not at all Sir. Anyway, then they returned to Earth after going back in time from the 23rd century to the 20th century just to get a pair of whales to come back again in time to the future and save Earth from the giant turd-looking thing?

Supreme Chancellor: Right, and then the Federation gave him back his ship!

General Killnikov: Yes, that’s the model of the ship he had in his other hand. He also had on a pair of Vulcan ears and a red shirt with the Federation of Planets patch on his chest where the pin should be. But it wasn’t a pin, looked like his mom sewed it on, or something like that.

Supreme Chancellor: Oh dear, how embarrassing. Tsssk tsssk tsssk.

General Killnikov: Anyway, the kid looked at me and said, “General Killnikov, only you could be so bold. The Imperial Senate will not sit still for this. When they hear you’ve attacked a…” He then broke into a much deeper voice and said “Don’t act so surprised your highness, you weren’t on any mercy mission this time.” I tried to cut him off and but he just zoned out and started to talk with an English dialect and just said, “Make it so number one.” Then kicked me in the shin and ran away, yelling something about that he’d just struck me down with his 10,000 Star Cruisers and that his allowance was large enough to afford all of them.

Supreme Chancellor: [Chuckles as the General rubs his shin] Ohhh then this certainly is a dilemma. How do we combat 10,000 star cruisers? Or a force of red-shirted trekkies?

General Killnikov: They prefer the term “trekkers” Your Excellency.

Supreme Chancellor: Oh, yes, of course they do. Hmmmm let me think. Perhaps, we can recruit that old retired scallywag… oh what was his name… Oh yes, Major-General Kahn!!! Maybe we can get him to ambush that little pest next time he shows up. But remember, we don’t want to kill him, we want to do more than that, we’ll hurt him.

General Killnikov: Yes, [whispers an evil whisper as he makes a fist] from hell’s heart, he’ll stab at thee.

Both men begin to laugh out loud for several minutes. The doors slide shut, but they can hardly muffle the laughter from inside.

OOC:
10,000!?! Look, Im nearly two-billion and I dont have that many ships. I seriously hope you mean fighters. If they are more than (about) 100 meters long/wide/high I should say that you are majorly godmodding.

And you cant just switch sides for NO reason, its (amoung other things) bad form, and does not happen in the real world without SEVERE consequences, for one thing, people stop trusting you. The enemy of my enemy is my friend, but if hes a traitor I still dont want him NEAR me.

Third, bases of NBCs? In another country? Did he agree to this? If so, please provide proof.

Until further notice, IGNORED. If you can come up with some REALISTIC stats, feel free to come back. I should say that your entire fleet might have (at max) 500 Capitol vessels, maybe more, and certainly less if you happen to use differnt classess of ships.

Now, for those of us currently in this dimension, STOP EVERYTHING UNTIL GLAT GETS BACK!

Hard Rock Beyond, me and my allies will be happy to grind your face into the dirt if you can actually come up with a credible space fleet. Your population can't be that low and have so many ships. I will, as everyone else has, I. G. N. O. R. E. you.

Point 1: I use the GND calculator at http://members.fortunecity.com/thracetailteann/html/gnp.html.

Point 2: The entire time-travel thing was kinda like that...

Point 3: I do not believe in using any Klingon Ships unless 100% necessary....

Point 4:

Specifications of a Defiant Class Starfleet Vessel

Dimensions
Overall Length: 119.5 meters
Overall Beam: 90.3 meters
Overall Draft: 25.5 meters
Displacement: 355000 metric tons
Crew Complement: 40 persons

Velocity:
Cruising: Warp Factor 6
Maximum: Warp Factor 9.982
Acceleration:
Rest-Onset Critical Momentum: 3.92 sec
Onset Critical Momentum-Warp Engage: 0.48 sec
Warp 1-Warp 4: 0.96 sec
Warp 4-Warp 6:2.81 sec
Warp 4-Warp 9.982: 4.12 sec
Duration:
Standard Mission: 2 years
Recommended Yard Overhaul: 12 years
Propulsion Systems:
Warp: (2) LF-35 Advanced Linear Warp Drive Units
Impulse: (2) FIG-2 Subatomic Unified Energy Impulse Units
Weapons:
4 Type XII Pulse Phaser Cannons
2 Mk 75 Direct-Fire Photon/Quantum Torpedo Tubes
Primary Computer System: M-15 Isolinear Ill Processor

Primary Navigation System: RAV/ISHAK Mod 3 Warp Celestial Guidance

Deflector Systems: FSQ Primary Force Field and Deflector Control System

Embarked Craft (Typical):
1 Shuttlecraft (Type-la)
4 Shuttlepods (various classes)

Collected from http://www.maximumdefiant.net/shipinfo/spotter/

http://www.maximumdefiant.net/images/shipinfo/spotter/spotter_centerfold.jpg

Hard Rock Beyond, me and my allies would be happy to grind your pathetic face into the dirt as soon as you can come up with a REASONABLE space fleet. For now, just like everyone else.. I. G. N. O. R. E. D.

Point 1: I use the GND calculator at http://members.fortunecity.com/thracetailteann/html/gnp.html.

Point 2: The entire time-travel thing was kinda like that...

Point 3: I do not believe in using any Klingon Ships unless 100% necessary....

Point 4:

Specifications of a Defiant Class Starfleet Vessel

Dimensions
Overall Length: 119.5 meters
Overall Beam: 90.3 meters
Overall Draft: 25.5 meters
Displacement: 355000 metric tons
Crew Complement: 40 persons

Velocity:
Cruising: Warp Factor 6
Maximum: Warp Factor 9.982
Acceleration:
Rest-Onset Critical Momentum: 3.92 sec
Onset Critical Momentum-Warp Engage: 0.48 sec
Warp 1-Warp 4: 0.96 sec
Warp 4-Warp 6:2.81 sec
Warp 4-Warp 9.982: 4.12 sec
Duration:
Standard Mission: 2 years
Recommended Yard Overhaul: 12 years
Propulsion Systems:
Warp: (2) LF-35 Advanced Linear Warp Drive Units
Impulse: (2) FIG-2 Subatomic Unified Energy Impulse Units
Weapons:
4 Type XII Pulse Phaser Cannons
2 Mk 75 Direct-Fire Photon/Quantum Torpedo Tubes
Primary Computer System: M-15 Isolinear Ill Processor

Primary Navigation System: RAV/ISHAK Mod 3 Warp Celestial Guidance

Deflector Systems: FSQ Primary Force Field and Deflector Control System

Embarked Craft (Typical):
1 Shuttlecraft (Type-la)
4 Shuttlepods (various classes)

Collected from http://www.maximumdefiant.net/shipinfo/spotter/

http://www.maximumdefiant.net/images/shipinfo/spotter/spotter_centerfold.jpg

I switched sides because that was part of my plan: it forced me 2 do it before scedule....

Okay, for one thing I want to understand how this mess can actually be a war, for another thing it is true that you can't have a huge space fleet with a low population. I didn't even start to make one until I was in the billions and even then my most advanced ship is a small fighter that can shuttle people back and forth with small defense turrets, and finally this needs a new thread that is sorted out better.

OOC:

OMG, this Hard Rock guy is way gone. RNI, funny as hell!

I switched sides because that was part of my plan: it forced me 2 do it before scedule....

R.N.I. CHANCELLOR A FREAKING GENIUS!

R.N.I. INTEL. AGENTS OF THE S.B.D. HAVE PROVEN THEIR WORTH YET AGAIN!!!! TIME FOR SOME R&R

Supreme Chancellor: HA! I KNEW IT!!!!!!!!!!!!

General Killinikov: Yes you did sir. You're a freaking Genius, Sir.

hahahaha very funny. ^^

OOC: HRB, there is NO WAY you have over a hundred thosand ships THAT big. NO WAY. Nadda, zippo, zero.

Im making a new thread, due to the fact that, as Turtel says, this thread is a mess.

Not 100,000: 10,000 small frigates, much like fighters, and I am playing the future tech war, and still, if I go by the ST universe, I could have had 23rd century tech in the 1980's.... and this thread is currently negotions...

according to you Dontgonearthere, they can not be over about 100x100x100 meters, this just happens to go 30 meters over the length, but is still short of your 'limit' by alot: it's only about 5 decks high....

I did not say that they could not be larger than that, I said that you couldnt have a that many ships that big. Frigates arent cheap, neither (if your sticking to Star Trek tech) is your matter/antimatter reaction system, Dontgonearthere uses a similar system, but since we dont claim quite so many ships (A total fleet of about two thosand capitol vessels of all classess, and thats for an Empire of six systems and thirty planets)
PLAIN AND SIMPLE:
YOU CANNOT HAVE THAT MANY SHIPS AT YOUR AGE, YOU WOULD NEED TO BE A NATION OF ABOUT THREE BILLION

And it STILL doesnt matter 'cause the person your 'invading' has ignored you, along with the other defenders, and the only reason the people ATTACKING havent ignored you is because they havent posted.

New thread:
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=145047&highlight=