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Arizona Class BBG

builders: IDF Shipyard's new Haifa large build yard

Overview: A modern, heavily armed and armored guided missile Battleship for the 21st century. This ship's missions are escort of carriers, shore bombardment, command, missile platform, ship to ship combat, and coastal defense.

The ship is large, but has a smaller RCS (Radar Cross Section) than most destroyers and frigates due to a composite covering the steel armor plates. In addition to this, the superstructure is shaped to avoid radar detection.

http://www.wapers.com/vehicles/battleship/battleship.jpg

STATS
LENGTH: 1,375 feet
MAXIMUM BEAM: 123.5 feet
MEAN BEAM: 105.8 feet
DRAFT: 43 feet
DISPLACEMENT: 125,500 tons
COMPLEMENT: Officers: 119, Elisted: 1,787

POWERPLANT: 7 x GE A5W/A2G nuclear pressurized reactors: 425,000 shp
PROPULSION: 5 x 21.25 foot bronze screws, 2 azipod, 3 standard
SPEED: 35.2 knots (according to sea trial for USS Arizona)
RUDDER: 2 x 523 sq. foot rudders
ENDURANCE: unlimited for 20 years (food does have to be resupplied every 3 months as does ammo based on firing rate)

WEAPON SYSTEMS:
GUNS
12 x 21 in (65 caliber) Mark IX guns (in 4 tri-gun mounts) 2 aft, 2 bow
20 x 5 in (38 cal.) Mark 14 guns (each in 2 gun mounts)
16 x 20mm Phalanx (R2D2) radar guided auto AA guns

MISSILES:
288 PVLS launch cells, (launchers along sides of ships and in groups both bow and aft)
Each cell can carry
3 x SM-1 SAM
2 x SM-2,3,4, or 5 SAM missiles
3 x ESSM (Evolved Sea Sparrow Missiles (short range SAM)
1 x TLAM (tomahawk cruise missile)
1 x any Russian cruise missiles
1 x TASM (anti-ship cruise missiles
1 x Exocet anti ship missile
1 x Harpoon anti-ship missile

32 deck mounted TLAMs (in 8 quad launchers)
16 deck mounted Harpoons (in 8 quad launchers) can be substituted for TASM or TLAM
TORPEDOES:
6 x Mk-46 launchers: 12 torpedoes in racks, 6 in tubes

ARMOR

Main side (belt armor): 16.1 inches inclined at 17 degrees
Main deck armor: 2.5 inches
Second deck armor: 5.5 inches
Splinter deck armor: 1.25 inches
barbette: 15.6 inches
turret face plate: 20.5 inches
turret side: 11 inches
conning tower: 19 inches

HELICOPTERS:
3 SH-60 ASW LAMPS III Seahawks (made by Sikorsky) can be substituted for 5 Apaches for $15 million more

RADARS:
Air Search: RCA SPY-3D(V) Phased Array
Surface Search: Norden SPS-67(V)3
Navigation: Raytheon SPS-64(V)9
Fire Control: 5 x Raytheon/RCA SPG-62

SONAR:
GE SSQ-89(V)6
bow mounted active/search attack SQR-19B
SSQ-91(V)10 passive towed array

PRICE: $3 Billion
current production rate 5 per years
each ship takes 3.5 years

The USS Arizona was dedicated on May 5, 2004, right after her successful sea trials. She was dedicated to the US Navy Sailors who were killed on the morning of Sunday, December 7, 1941.

I'll pay the 3 Billion cost.

very well Turetel, the 1st year's batch has been added to the IDF navy and used as a test bed to work out bugs.

The 2nd batch (due in 6RL hours or 3 NS months) is almost ready and the 1st ship of the group will be delievered immediately upon completion. If you experience any dificulties, report them to me and our men will repair the ship for free.

Good luck,

Pres. Teeman

I'll pay the 3 Billion cost.
very well Turetel, the 1st year's batch has been added to the IDF navy and used as a test bed to work out bugs.

The 2nd batch (due in 6RL hours or 3 NS months) is almost ready and the 1st ship of the group will be delievered immediately upon completion. If you experience any dificulties, report them to me and our men will repair the ship for free.

Good luck,

Pres. Teeman

quad post NO!

Not meaning to brag, but my Leningrad-class is heavier armed and costs less. It's just a tad slower.

Not meaning to brag, but my Leningrad-class is heavier armed and costs less. It's just a tad slower.

I bet it doesn't have my armor, maneuverability, VLS system, radar system, ASW system, or AEGIS defense system to clobber planes

Not meaning to brag, but my Leningrad-class is heavier armed and costs less. It's just a tad slower.

I bet it doesn't have my armor, maneuverability, VLS system, radar system, ASW system, or AEGIS defense system to clobber planes

Wow. Radar. Welcome to 1951.

Not meaning to brag, but my Leningrad-class is heavier armed and costs less. It's just a tad slower.

I bet it doesn't have my armor, maneuverability, VLS system, radar system, ASW system, or AEGIS defense system to clobber planes

Wow. Radar. Welcome to 1951.
Well the improved AEGIS radar system (using the RCA SPY-1's and SPG-51's) is not 1951 radar.

Okay, the Fraternal Protectorate of Hobb will take one of these...
$3 billion is cheap, just to find out how THAT cross-section somehow grants a low Radar profile... :lol:

I will take 2 which comes to a grand total of 6 billion dollars!

Okay, the Fraternal Protectorate of Hobb will take one of these...
$3 billion is cheap, just to find out how THAT cross-section somehow grants a low Radar profile... :lol:

The ship will be delivered, but I might say you would want to use it in a battle. The RCS comes the the composite material that covers the hull plates. It absorbs radar much like a B-2. The lower superstructure height also helps to reduce the signature. The ship's turrets do help due to their radar absorbing shape.

I will take 2 which comes to a grand total of 6 billion dollars!

confirmed for delivery in 3 NS months. We once again offer free repairs to fix any bugs

Thank you very much, I am awaiting the arrival of these ships greatly! :D

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The Incorporated States of Sarzonia would like to order seven Arizona class battleships. At $3 billion each, the total should come to $21 billion.

Money shall be wired upon confirmation.

Mark Lorber
Senior Vice President, External Affairs

hate to sound nooby(not much of a forum person) what is BUMP and OOC?

N00by! Dear, dear, what have they indoctrinated you with? It's not n00by at all...bump is making a random, often senseless post that serves no purpose but to send the thread to the top of the forum for all to see and admire. OOC is out of context. IC is in context - i.e, IC is "Zoogiedom launched five nuclear warheads today at Automagfreek." OOC is not your nation or your imaginary people speaking, it's you yourself.

hate to sound nooby(not much of a forum person) what is BUMP and OOC?

[OOC means Out Of Character... when you the real person behind the country is typing something when you are normally In Character. It's usually signified by the initials OOC. In my case, I put brackets around what I type when I type something OOC.

BUMP means that you're moving a post up to the top so that more people can notice and read it.

Hope this helps.]

hate to sound nooby(not much of a forum person) what is BUMP and OOC?

[OOC means Out Of Character... when you the real person behind the country is typing something when you are normally In Character. It's usually signified by the initials OOC. In my case, I put brackets around what I type when I type something OOC.

BUMP means that you're moving a post up to the top so that more people can notice and read it.

Hope this helps.]

{OOC}Okay that definately clears everything up, thanks a lot! :lol:

the Ottoman Khaif Navy
will one Arizona Class BBG for $3 Billion
yours
Admiral Hassan Pasha III of the Ottoman Khaif Navy

The Incorporated States of Sarzonia would like to order seven Arizona class battleships. At $3 billion each, the total should come to $21 billion.

Money shall be wired upon confirmation.

Mark Lorber
Senior Vice President, External Affairs

Confirmed, expect delivery in 9 NS months (18 RL hours)

Ottoman, same delivery time for your ships.

Thank you all.

buy these great ships, production has increased to 10 a year now that the Eliat BBG large build facility is up. Now these are built at 2 places.

Note on building Each yard has 20 quays. Each quay is on a 4 year cycle, 3.5 year build and .5 year maintenance and repair

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The Arizona has already gotten a name for herself, she is now an "ace" having killed 5 ships of the Greece and Cyprus navy including her lone aircraft carrier.

The Arizona has already gotten a name for herself, she is now an "ace" having killed 5 ships of the Greece and Cyprus navy including her lone aircraft carrier.

I'll take one... it can be my personal yacht, seeing as I'm going to go into future tech RP at some point. I'll retool the weapons myself if I want to.

$money wired$

12 x 21 in (65 caliber) Mark IX guns (in 4 tri-gun mounts) 2 aft, 2 bow
20 x 5 in (38 cal.) Mark 14 guns (each in 2 gun mounts)
16 x 20mm Phalanx (R2D2) radar guided auto AA guns

You're not fitting that on a 1300 foot vessel. Studies have shown that for every inch in barrel diameter you increase, you have to fit 33% less guns. You've only increased length by 300-400 feet over an Iowa, but have doubled the guns and increased the barrel diameter of the largest guns by 5 inchs and made the barrels 15 caliber sizes longer. You've also quadrupled the the amount of Phalanxes.

You also have virtually no armor on your ship, at all. I hope you have fun being torn apart by 16 inch shells at range. A 16 inch shell would penetrate your turrets at 6 miles, and set off your ammunition stores, on top of crippling your guns.

Also, $3 billion? A modernized Iowa could be expected to cost around $4 billion.

In short: Godmod, and this vessel shall be ignored.

12 x 21 in (65 caliber) Mark IX guns (in 4 tri-gun mounts) 2 aft, 2 bow
20 x 5 in (38 cal.) Mark 14 guns (each in 2 gun mounts)
16 x 20mm Phalanx (R2D2) radar guided auto AA guns

You're not fitting that on a 1300 foot vessel. Studies have shown that for every inch in barrel diameter you increase, you have to fit 33% less guns. You've only increased length by 300-400 feet over an Iowa, but have doubled the guns and increased the barrel diameter of the largest guns by 5 inchs and made the barrels 15 caliber sizes longer. You've also quadrupled the the amount of Phalanxes.

You also have virtually no armor on your ship, at all. I hope you have fun being torn apart by 16 inch shells at range. A 16 inch shell would penetrate your turrets at 6 miles, and set off your ammunition stores, on top of crippling your guns.

Also, $3 billion? A modernized Iowa could be expected to cost around $4 billion.

In short: Godmod, and this vessel shall be ignored.

I don't double the guns on an Iowa, They have 9, I have 12. As for the 5 in guns, the Iowa has over 20. The PHalanx guns are small and actually built under the main deck and hanging off the angled sides of the ship.

As for the price, I based it off the prices of comparable ships and no one else sees it as a godmod.

I'll take one... it can be my personal yacht, seeing as I'm going to go into future tech RP at some point. I'll retool the weapons myself if I want to.

$money wired$

the ship will be delivered in 1 NS month (2 RL hours) you can rework the weapons all you want. I would like a TG, just so I know what is being done and can maybe buy your improvement if it is very good for making standard.

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12 x 21 in (65 caliber) Mark IX guns (in 4 tri-gun mounts) 2 aft, 2 bow
20 x 5 in (38 cal.) Mark 14 guns (each in 2 gun mounts)
16 x 20mm Phalanx (R2D2) radar guided auto AA guns

You're not fitting that on a 1300 foot vessel. Studies have shown that for every inch in barrel diameter you increase, you have to fit 33% less guns. You've only increased length by 300-400 feet over an Iowa, but have doubled the guns and increased the barrel diameter of the largest guns by 5 inchs and made the barrels 15 caliber sizes longer. You've also quadrupled the the amount of Phalanxes.

You also have virtually no armor on your ship, at all. I hope you have fun being torn apart by 16 inch shells at range. A 16 inch shell would penetrate your turrets at 6 miles, and set off your ammunition stores, on top of crippling your guns.

Also, $3 billion? A modernized Iowa could be expected to cost around $4 billion.

In short: Godmod, and this vessel shall be ignored.

I don't double the guns on an Iowa, They have 9, I have 12. As for the 5 in guns, the Iowa has over 20. The PHalanx guns are small and actually built under the main deck and hanging off the angled sides of the ship.

As for the price, I based it off the prices of comparable ships and no one else sees it as a godmod.

Uh, no. The Iowa has twelve 5 inch guns, not 20+. And not only have you greatly increased the barrel diameter, you've increased the number of guns. While you haven't doubled it, you have increased the number of guns by 50% while increasing the barrel diameter of the largest gun by 6 inches, which means you should have far less guns.

You also apparently have no idea what a Phalanx is. They are fairly large; they're about 12 feet in height, 3 to 5 feet wide, and are mounted on top of the deck in open spaces in order to give them clear shots, not on the sides of the ship or under the deck.

And if you're basing it comparitively, you're either 1) Basing it off of standard Iowas with conventional power, because those cost $3 billion. or 2) Basing it off of other godmodders.


http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/bb-61.htm
Feed your mind
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/weaps/mk-15.htm

So, my previous statement still stands. There's no way this ship could exist.

I am basing it off of people like DOujin. and other naval builders

I am basing it off of people like DOujin. and other naval builders

Yea, see, the problem with that is, Doujin has lots of guns on his boats, but he justifies them. His boats are 1800-3000 feet in length, and are trimaran hulled, giving them more deck space. He also doesn't underprice his vessels. Yet again, your argument fails.

I am basing it off of people like DOujin. and other naval builders

Yea, see, the problem with that is, Doujin has lots of guns on his boats, but he justifies them. His boats are 1800-3000 feet in length, and are trimaran hulled, giving them more deck space. He also doesn't underprice his vessels. Yet again, your argument fails.

you do realize that when you say my ships have too many weapons that all the critiques are saying it is too lightly armored, you stand alone here

Let's look at it.
Now, I'm going to correct GM in that it was a 2" increase in gun diameter that reduces the number that can be carried by 28-33%.
Starting, 9 20" guns would require about 90-100,000 tons (Japanese studies for Super Yamato). 12 20" guns would require another 20,000 tons displacement, and add a further 10-15,000 just for good measure for the extra inch.
Now, this accounts for some secondary armament, but not all of it. You have the equivalent of 576 Mk.41 VLS cells (I think, but it's hard to tell since there appears to have been little effort to base the relative loads on the actual size of the missiles), 12 quad launchers (typo btw, you list 8 quad harpoon launchers w/ only 16 missiles. I'm assuming missile number is the right one), and 20 5" guns. I'd say you need another 30-40,000 tons for the extra armament.
For the record, you actually DID double the main guns compared to the Iowa.

Total displacement: 150-175,000 tons. Definately a bit off there.

The armor isn't bad, but it's light for a vessel of that size. That kind of armor is designed to defend against 16 and 18" weapons. Most battleships are designed to withstand the shells from their own weapons at their most effective ranges. This means your ship is notably underarmored for the weapons it carries.

Go ahead and put your Phalanx in recessed areas. It'll make it that much easier for enemy missiles (have them fly at medium altitude and drop down. The Phalanx is already weak against missiles flying a pop-up or down-attack flight profile even without the overhead restrictions.


The cost of building an Iowa, to current specifications today, would be about $3 billion. The cost using WWII, or maybe a modern wartime, economy (accounting for inflation) would be $1.5-2 billion.
This should be closer to the $5 billion mark, assuming it's relatively cheap.

I'm no longer taking orders here because I moved it to my main store thread, most of the changes from CSJ have been incorporated

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