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Kelonia interested in Used Aircraft for Training Purposes

Kelonian States
05-05-2004, 01:04
The Kelonian Air Force have, upon close inspection of their wares, discovered a worrying lack of training and reserve aircraft - Wary of spending out on new aircraft which will never, realistically, see front-line service, they have elected to ask any willing nations if they have any suitable 'used' aircraft availible for purchase.

~ Dejani Ivanov, Undersecretary to the Commander of the Kelonian Air Force
05-05-2004, 02:00
The Demidian Government has 150 training aircraft currently not being used, they are the DT-155 Hawk.

http://www.forceaerienne.forces.gc.ca/equip/grfx/equip_gallery/hawk/wallpaper/NFTCHawk-3.jpg
Length
12.43m
Wingspan
9.08m
Height
3.98m
Weight
4,400kg
Power
Rolls-Royce Mk.871 Adour turbofan
Speed
Mach 0.86 (level); mach 1.2 (dive)
Ceiling
48,000ft
Range
1500 Nautical Miles
Crew
1 student, 1 instructor
The current price for each aircraft is 15 Million dollars. Our government has recently purchased new training aircraft and no longer require these craft.
Truitt
05-05-2004, 02:10
My nation is mainly airforce based (im really non aggressive, use em for defencive purposes) and I have plenty of used aircraft, mainly fighters, that are still very good, just that im ready to bring in the newer modles.

Currently, I have about 500 F-14 Tomcats, non armed but still very good condition, and very durable, I am presenting $8 million each.

I also have about 1,000 F-15 Eagles, non armed, still durable, but most need new paint jobs (im too lazy to paint em, so i just keep em factory dark green) but they are in good enough condition to even go on the field with. Around $10.5 Million each are my prices for these.

Also for things yeh may need on the field, I have in reserve currently 6,000 F/A-18 Hornets, which are perfectly brand new (i keep my main aircraft in prime condition, hurts funds sometimes). I will sell these (only 3,000; funding for new modle, F/A-22 Raptor, but very low on funds for Airfroce) at about 50.5 Million dollars each. Main price upgrade is becouse of prime condition and barly any cratch. They are not armed (if you like, I may arm 100 of them, fully, to 8 air-to-air SPARROW missles for +$3 Million, or 4 air-to-ground HOPPER bombs, +$4 Million)

I have more, but i need trainers and operationals too! Plus if you like, we could set up relations and when I come across a few hundred aircraft that are out dated for field use, or that I find I could do with out at the moment, I could give yeh a tele.

Also, every trainer has two seats, one in back (instructor) and one in front (student pilot)

--Truitt of The Armed Forces Of Truitt

P.S.
I don't use the boards much unless I have a big purpose, if you wish to continue or agree with the trade, notify me via telegram so i will check here. Also, I might decrease the price of the Hornet's, that is, the price of my "banged" hornets are 20Million each, they have some damage to ether wings or launch bays, minor damage.
05-05-2004, 04:25
we have 20 F-94 Enhanced Starfire Interceptors. good condition, they have 1 Hardpoint on each Wing and on the left side of the Cockpit there is 20 mm Gun. they also have a modern radar set and a ECM pod permanatly afied to the centerline. wingtips have rocket pods permanantly attached. 2 million per plane.
Roycelandia
05-05-2004, 08:54
Roycelandia has huge numbers of aircraft that would be ideal for training purposes for you- ranging from Biplanes to Jet Fighters.

Anything particular in mind?
General Aviation LTD
05-05-2004, 08:57
IF you are interested we can offer
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3128981#3128981
The Volga
05-05-2004, 08:59
All but Roycelandia (of these sellers) are unlikely to have any real experience (in their Air Force) of combat. The RVAF (Republican Volgan Air Force) is willing to sell you on some of our top-quality Su-47 Berkhut Fighters, or our lower level F-16's and Mirage 2000's. If you need a fighter-bomber, we have the Su-59, and in bombers we can offer the B-1B, or other advanced designs.

Just name the planes, we'll name the price.
Kelonian States
05-05-2004, 09:47
Roycelandia has huge numbers of aircraft that would be ideal for training purposes for you- ranging from Biplanes to Jet Fighters.

Anything particular in mind?
A light attack aircraft that could easily be used for training - nothing too advanced, most people on here seem to be offering high-end jet fighters - something a little more advanced than the Hawk, but nothing into the realms of F-16s or other front-line quality aircraft - sorry, I should have made it more specific, but I was half-asleep at the time :P

we have 20 F-94 Enhanced Starfire Interceptors. good condition, they have 1 Hardpoint on each Wing and on the left side of the Cockpit there is 20 mm Gun. they also have a modern radar set and a ECM pod permanatly afied to the centerline. wingtips have rocket pods permanantly attached. 2 million per plane.
F-94s aren't really what we're looking for - we looked into a lot of designs for what we needed and though they are cheap to produce, they lack some of the things we require from this aircraft - such as experience as a modern trainer, which the Mirage 2000 has a lot of.

All but Roycelandia (of these sellers) are unlikely to have any real experience (in their Air Force) of combat. The RVAF (Republican Volgan Air Force) is willing to sell you on some of our top-quality Su-47 Berkhut Fighters, or our lower level F-16's and Mirage 2000's. If you need a fighter-bomber, we have the Su-59, and in bombers we can offer the B-1B, or other advanced designs.

Just name the planes, we'll name the price.
Highly advanced aircraft such as the Su-47, B-1B, etc. are a little too high-tech for basic-to-medium training, but the Mirage 2000s interest us - We'd need between 120-200 of these aircraft, at a reasonable price.
Roycelandia
05-05-2004, 10:15
Roycelandia's Imperial Aerospace Limited has a few aircraft that might be of interest to you...

Imperial Aerospace Spitfire Mk V

Roycelandia's famous Fighter aircraft, maintaining the appearance of its WWII counterpart, but heavily updated, utilising the latest in Technological Advances.
It's quite a lot larger than the WWII Spitfire to handle modern armaments and ECM measures, but still smaller than a standard Jet Fighter.

Crew: One (Pilot)
Armaments: 4x .50cal MGs, 4x 20mm Cannon, 8x Napalm/HE Rockets, 8xAA Missiles
Engine: IMC "Whirlwind" Turboprop
Top Speed: 742 km/h
Other Equipment: Ejection Seat, JATO Rockets (experimental), Long Range Tanks (optional)

Cost: $1.7million

Imperial Aerospace Harrier Jump Jet

Another triumph for IAe- VTOL (Vertical Take Off/Landing), incorporated into a top of the line Jet Fighter.

Crew: Two (Pilot, Weapons System Officer)
Armaments: 2x 20mm Cannon, 16x AA Missiles, 8 General Purpose Missiles, 16 Napalm/HE Rockets
Engine: IMC "Tornado" VTOL Jet Engine
Top Speed: 1,680 km/h
Other Equipment: Ejection Seats, Mid-Air Refuelling Port, Long Range Tanks (optional)

Cost: $6.3million

Colonial Aircraft Factory Stormcloud Ground Attack Aircraft

Recently unveilled by His Majesty, the Stormcloud is the closest thing Roycelandia has to a Flying Tank- designed for Tank Busting, Ground Attack, and some Combat Duties.

Crew: Two (Pilot and Rear Gunner)
Armaments: 6x20mm Cannon, Rear Turret 2x20mm Cannon & 2x.50cal MGS, 32x Napalm/HE Rockets/Missiles underwing
Engine: IMC "Whirlwind" Turboprop
Top Speed: 653 km/h
Other Equipment: Ejection Seats, Extra Armour, Long Range Tanks, Bombs (500lbs total)

Cost: $1.4million

Colonial Aircraft Factory Tigershark Ground Attack/Trainer/Recon Biplane

Yes, It's a biplane. It's also made of Kevlar. And with a near total lack of unnecessary expensive electronic component to be disabled by either enemy fire or crash landings by inexperienced students, the Tigershark is ideal for ground attack against inferior forces, or simply teaching pilots to fly.

Crew: Two (Pilot and Rear Gunner/Observer)
Armaments: 2x 50cal MGs, 8x rockets, 2x .303MGs for Rear Gunner
Engine: CMC "Aeolus" Turboprop
Top Speed: 362 km/h
Other Equipment: Ejection Seats, Bombs (200lbs)

Cost: $500,000

Colonial Aircraft Factory Kookaburra Recon/Liasion Aircraft

Based on the WWII Lysander, the Kookaburra is ideal for Reconnaisance, Liason, Artillery Spotting, or hunting large African Game from.

Crew: Two (Pilot and Observer/Rear Gunner. Some Kookaburras have room for a passenger as well)
Armaments: 1x20mm Cannon, 2x .303MG
Engine: CMC "Aeolus" Turboprop
Top Speed: 615 km/h
Other Equipment: Ejection Seats, Camera Array, JATO Rockets (optional).

Cost: $1million

Imperial Aerospace IA1-J Helicopter Transport/Gunship

The Vietnam-era Huey. Need we say more?

Crew: Two/Four (Pilot/Co-Pilot, Door Gunners)
Armaments: 2x .303MGs/2x .50cal MGs (door gunners) 2x 20mm Cannon, 2x Hydra Rocket Pods, 4x Missiles (Weapons Racks)
Passengers: 12
Engine: IMC "Typhoon" Turbine
Top Speed: 240 km/h
Other Equipment: Winch, Speakers, Weapons Racks, Searchlights, Zip Lines, Monsoon Buckets

Cost: $700,000

We can modify most of these planes for Training if you so wish, and we are open to negotiation on price...
Crookfur
05-05-2004, 18:50
Kelonian States:
In terms of purely used aircraft we offer make you two offers:
The first is for our soon to be retired CFT-3A hawks and CNT-3B Goshawks (75hawks and 45 Goshawks) All have gone through a MLU fairly recently and have aproximatly 60-70% of thier flight hours left (for an additonal charge we could carry out a life extension program to restore them to 80%).
In terms of Equipment levels think about halfway between HAWK T1s and the new hawk AJTs (ie they have hotas and a hud but only 1 MFD for the radar and systems management the rest of the cockpit is dials etc).

We would accept offers of about $5-7million per aircraft (since they are completely surplus and have been replaced).

Alternatively we have 20 Twin seater JAS-39M Grippens each with 80% of their flying life left which we can let go for $10-12 million each.

Or we coudl sell you brand new CFT-3E Super Hawks with full galss cockpits, helmet mounted sights/controls and voice activation for a mere $11million each.
Kelonian States
10-05-2004, 02:09
OOC: Sorry for the late reply, I forgot all about this thread! :oops:

IC:
Crookfur, we'd like to take those Goshawks off your hands for, say, $6m an aircraft? That would make the total $270m and, if you throw in the Grippens, we'll be willing to pay a round $500m for the package.

The Volga, would you care to 'name your price' for the Mirage 2000s? We are most definately interested in acquiring some of these aircraft for both training and reserve use - We'd also like to acquire around 20 Su-47s for testing, if you would be so kind as to name a price for those as well...

~ Dejani Ivanov, Undersecretary to the Commander of the Kelonian Air Force
General Aviation LTD
10-05-2004, 12:36
We have a plane that will suit your needs perfectly. It's the Sparrow.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=144521
General Aviation LTD
10-05-2004, 12:37
We have a plane that will suit your needs perfectly. It's the Sparrow.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=144521
Crookfur
10-05-2004, 13:31
Kelonian States:

You have yourself a deal.

I'll ge tthe planes wrapped up and posted ;)