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The most advanced (Non-Space uberenergyguns) rounds and weapons are now availible from the UCSNE armories.

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Very very nice.
And interesting that your common grenade thingy is sized indentically to the one i use in my light weight OCSW rip off ie 20x60mm but from the looks of it my round is designed to fire a lighter projectile over longer rnages in it's basic form and of course mine is more or less purely modern tech.
still very cool m8.

I think the 20x60mm rounds (Not the Micro-RPGs, which are 2010-2020) are basically modern tech, and most of the gun rounds are also capable of modern use. But smart shells and such, a decade or two away.

Thanks much... I'm trying to stay away from the usual futuristic stuff like chemical lasers and railguns, and instead show a sensible progression of real world tech.

Well smart fused ammo is of course mod tech, smart giuded rounds for light to medium calibre weapons are a grey area to me but thats mainly because i haven't seen much about them compared to say ETC guns, but most definatly fitting in with your tech scheme.

Well smart fused ammo is of course mod tech, smart giuded rounds for light to medium calibre weapons are a grey area to me but thats mainly because i haven't seen much about them compared to say ETC guns, but most definatly fitting in with your tech scheme.

Talk to Kotterdam, he developed it with me. He said he could miniaturize it to 7.62 NATO, so I shrank it to 6.5 UCSNE.

OOC-

Whoa, no orders yet? Thats kinda weird..... I thought everyone wanted to buy the best ground equipment...lol

OOC:

Too many big words for the n00bies.

I've gotten orders from allies, and at WWXI they've been selling well.

Nice stuff. I was wondering though, if you could recommend what I need to kit out about half a million men, and 4000 tanks with all the technology they need to fight a war. (I like those remote guns, a lot.) I want them to be able to support a larger attack, or defend in a Jungle based guerilla war. If not, well, it'll take a little longer for me to work out my order.

Eek...very detailed, I'll never be able to complete that all. I'll just get straight to the point: I want to be able to use your system to equip half a million ground forces of my army, with the exception of the assault rifle (M-16 or similar), which I'll supply myself. How much would that cost?

Would you be interested in selling the production rights for the suits, and/or any of the guns? Really all I am interested in is the suits, but the guns would be nice too. :)

Zoogie/Jordaxia:
Well, in the UCSNE our ground forces organization would make this order pretty simple. (1 in 12 have a machinegun, 1 in 24 have a PMRMS, and so on)

However, at this point it would be much cheaper for us to sell you production rights for weapons that would be used by basic infantry. If you want specialized weapons (AARPGs, M-33 heavy sniper, M9 Carbine, or shotgun), just ask.

Production Package (Basic Infantry)
Production Rights for M17 APW 500 Million
Production Rights for M27 Designated Marksman Rifle 750 Million
Production Rights for M280 Light Machine gun 750 Million
Production Rights for M55 Medium Machine gun 750 Million
Production Rights for M990 PRMRMS 900 Million
Production Rights for M312NE HMG 800 Million
Total: 4.5 Billion

I'll give you prod. rights for ammo free.

M110 Production rights are 1.2 Billion, Hamanistan.

Nice stuff. Especially with the free ammo.
I'll take it. Consider that 4.5 billion emerging into someones bank account, right now.

Yeah, 6.5x50mm is a round that's only been produced in two countries up to now- The UCSNE and CLF.

Were you also interested in the M-32 ATAR? I forgot that only Zoogie said that he didn't want the assault rifle.

Yeah, sure. Will that be extra?

I'll discount it to 500 Million (From 750 Million) since I forgot about it.

5 billion total then. Perfectly acceptable.
How heavy is the heavy sniper rifle? What is its effective range?
We pride our special forces markmanship ability, so anything that enabels us to be even more efficient is greatly desired.

It weighs a little less than the Barret M82 (A Rifle of comparable caliber), by about 3 pounds.

Info on the M-33 ASPR

If you want to reach out and touch someone, reach for your M-33 first. Firing either .408 CheyTac or .50 BMG in 5, 10, or 15 round magazines, the ASPR will kill the enemy, be he a soldier, in powered armor, or driving a light vehicle at about 2 miles out. The ASPR isn't as standard issue as the M-27, but is often given to recon teams, defensive positions, or Hunter Killer teams when it isn't being tossed around with the Special Forces.

I like. Anything that makes the sniper deadlier to everything is welcome. Particularly if he can take the heads of the drivers in light armoured vehicles.
3000 should be adequate.
What is the price on them?

Cost is 4,500 USD... So that comes to 13.5 Million total.

Nice. I think thats business for now.

Most interesting. But, since you appear to use near-modern technology, how do you handle the recoil? A chemical round with a muzzle velocity of over 2 kps is going to produce a lot of recoil, you can compensate for it a bit but conservation of momentum still means that a lot of the recoil is going to be hitting the user. And realistically, with the rounds going at 2 kps, the user of the gun would lose every single bone in his arms when he attempted to shoot with the thing.

That's a good point... I think when I downgraded from future to postmodern, I kept the HV rounds the same.

Now that I look at my older posts, the ATAR was originally a railgun. (I changed it from Advanced Tactical Automatic Railgun to Advanced Tactical Assault Rifle). I'm gonna fix that.

Ok. Its just that, i use future tech, and i compensate for recoil via the use of some specific pieces of futuretech, but even in my guns where the round has a muzzle velocity of 2.4 kps or so, there is a significant amount of recoil that cant be compensated for, the tech just makes the gun usable.

And seriously, if you give the sniper rounds a muzzle velocity of something like 1000 meters per second, you've got a helluva powerfull chemically powered weapon.

The Kingdom of Crellian would like to purchase the procuction rights to the basic infantry backage thing, and the M110 combat suits. The money will be wired on confirmation

Your order will come to 6.2 Billion USD total.

We are now shipping plans and manuals via encrypted discs, and the decrypt codes will be emailed to a secure account.

We would like to purchase the Basic Infantry Package production rights and the M110 Production rights.

The Dominion requests manufacturing rights for all ammunition types in your primary calibre. We wish to pattern our next generation battle rifle and accompanying weapons systems off of the 6.5x50mm HyVeloc round, both to take advantage of its improved capabilities, and in the interest of standardizing our ammunition with that of the UCSNE. In particular, we are interested in your M6550 HVGBM round, although all are greatly appealing to us. Furthermore, we request the same rights for your M2020 family and your 20mm HVDP, HEFF, and WDAP RPG rounds.

Additionally, while we have a new heavy support weapon, your M307NE and M312NE weapons are far and away superior. We request the rights to produce our own variants under the names M307K and M312K. These modifications are intended to render both weapons more resistant to the Dominion's harsh climate - Especially our bitterly cold winters. As well, the guidance systems would be modified to use Dominion optics to make them more compatible with existing systems. In advance of your response, the Dominion officially cedes all export rights for the M307K and M312K to the United City-States of New Empire. We eagerly await your response as well as an indication of what form of compensation you would find appropriate.

Rights for the M6550 family of rounds will be given at 450 million, discounted because the most expensive round uses technology from Kotterdam given to the United City-States. The M2020 and M2060 RPG rounds will be given for 600 million, discounted again because of your technology.

Rights for the M307 and 312 to be built with a K designation will be granted for 500 million. Although the M3-- series weapons checked out on cold weather trials, our northern plains and mountains may not compare to your winters.

Hamanistan:

Your order will come to 6.2 Billion USD total.

We are now shipping plans and manuals via encrypted discs, and the decrypt codes will be emailed to a secure account.

Winters in the Dominion have been known to destroy products constructed with other countries in mind. Our automotive markets, in particular, are difficult for foreign companies to break into because the wear and tear that our climate puts on rubber parts, not to mention the thermal expansion and contraction of metal parts. This means that companies must go to great lengths to make their vehicles stand up to our weather - So you can imagine the kind of stresses our military hardware must be capable of withstanding. We find this most acceptable. The required funds are being transfered as we speak.

We cannot wait to see what you do with the weapons, and what new ones are created with our ammunition.

We are now shipping plans and manuals via encrypted discs, and the decrypt codes will be emailed to a secure account.

M110 Series Standard Issue Battledress
6 million forest camo with SLICS x $7,000 = $42,000,000,000
2 million forest camo w/o SLICS x $5,000 = $10,000,000,000
6 million desert camo with SLICS x $7,000 = $42,000,000,000
2 million desert camo w/o SLICS x $5,000 = $10,000,000,000
2 million urban camo with SLICS x $7,000 = $14,000,000,000
2 million winter camo with SLICS x $7,000 = $14,000,000,000
1 million black camo with SLICS x $7,000 = $7,000,000,000
total: $139,000,000,000

OOC: Sure you want that many? That's probably about 8-12 times the amount of SLICS you need to equip frontline troops of a military your size...

OOC: :shock: Well, I thought it would make sense to have some extras, but I didn't mean for that many. I've readjusted my order. I'm assuming the SLICS can be swaped when they change their camo.

IC:
M110 Series Standard Issue Battledress
2 million forest camo with SLICS x $7,000 = $14,000,000,000
2 million desert camo w/o SLICS x $5,000 = $10,000,000,000
2 million winter camo w/o SLICS x $5,000 = $10,000,000,000
30,000 urban camo with SLICS x $5,000 = $210,000,000
70,000 urban camo w/o SLICS x $5,000 = $350,000,000
3,000 black camo with SLICS x $7,000 = $21,000,000
7,000 million black camo w/o SLICS x $5,000 = $35,000,000

M-32 ATAR
5 million x $2,000 = $10,000,000,000

M-27 ATSR
500,000 x $3,000 = $1,500,000,000

M-280 ATMG
500,000 x $2,250 = $1,125,000,000

M-33 ASPR
250,000 x $4,500 = $1,125,000,000

M-9 Close Quarters Battle Weapon
1 million x $1,750 = $1,750,000,000

M-17 APW
10 million x $500 = $5,000,000,000

M-22 ACS
1 million x $1,250 = $1,250,000,000

M-849 AARPG
100,000 x $3,750 = $375,000,000

M-990 PMRMS
100,000 x $5,000 = $500,000,000

M55 Medium Machine Gun
1 million x $2,500 = $2,500,000,000

M307NE Automatic Grenade Launcher
50,000 20mm x $3,000 = $150,000,000
50,000 25mm x $3,000 = $150,000,000

M312NE Heavy Machine Gun
100,000 x $3,000 = $300,000,000

Total: 59,216,000,000

We are also interested in production rights for munitions for the above weapons.

OOC:SLICS is just the computer, it works with any battledress or helmet in the M110 series. Camo BDU underlayers and armor covering can be switched as well...
IC:As the various arms companies that are manufacturing weapons are a bit busy right now, we have another proposition.

We will give you limited production rights for these weapons. That means that once you have built that amount of weapons, production will stop.

Is this acceptable?

Yes, it is acceptable.

Excellent. Members from the respective corporations have sent the contracts to your factories.

We are now shipping plans and manuals via encrypted discs, and the decrypt codes will be emailed to a secure account.

On decrypting the information, the Dominion has designed and put into manufacture the following weapon (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=145037). The VSg-635 is a highly-modular weapon system that, in its standard rifle configuration, is quite similar to your M-9 Close Quarters Battle Weapon. Further information on the VSg-635 may be found here (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=145037).

Work has already begun on the K variants of your support weapons. Our R&D departments are attempting to modify the weapons to use materials whose rates of thermal expansion and contraction are more closely matched. As well, all rubber parts are being replaced with domestically produced synthetics that stay flexible at extremely low temperatures.

Thank you. I've wired the money.

Nice job on the assault rifle, Kotterdam. Very nice.

We hope our products serve you well.