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Capital Building Matich:

Daylam has threatened us sir

Im tired of that third world countries bs.


Presses the red button.

2000 ICBMs launched from silos inside Matich and allied nations begin soaring towards Daylam.


3 minutes later, Capital Press Building Matich:

Ladies and gentleman of Matich and the world, today I have been forced to make a preemptive strike on the nation of Dylam. I have launched 2000 ICBMs at his nation and they should be detonating as we speak. Earlier today the nation of Daylam threatened to use nukes against myself and Matichs ally Jarridia. We were forced to take preemptive action. Thank you for your time and attention.



OOC: Daylam you should no longer have a nation.

Isn't this action just a little harsh, seeing as he can threaten you all he wants and still couldn't put a dent in you? While we understand the desire to remove uppity imperialists from the map, wouldn't it be better to educate rather than devastate? Just a few strikes in strategic places is usually enough to remind nations such as this that their actions will not be tolerated, though from intelligence seen we can see that might not have been possible in this case.

Either way, it shows up as a pretty good lesson: Always check the size and abilities of an opponent before threatening them.

Isn't this action just a little harsh, seeing as he can threaten you all he wants and still couldn't put a dent in you? While we understand the desire to remove uppity imperialists from the map, wouldn't it be better to educate rather than devastate? Just a few strikes in strategic places is usually enough to remind nations such as this that their actions will not be tolerated, though from intelligence seen we can see that might not have been possible in this case.

Either way, it shows up as a pretty good lesson: Always check the size and abilities of an opponent before threatening them.
We do agree with you for the most part. But, he has threatened multiple nations of all sizes, and has helped rebels in ViZion. We also feel that he is - or was, now - supporting terrorists, and are working to find out if this is true.

A mid-altitude reconnissance aircraft, a modified Tu-26 'Backfire', flew over the Daylami landscape, which was now littered with deep craters from the Matich bombardment, surveying the situation. Kelonia would like to make it clear that if any attempt is made by surviving Daylami forces to retaliate against Matich or it's allies, swift action will be taken against your already-badly-weakened forces.

We are sorry it has come to this, but feel it is the only way to prevent further violence or imperialist invasions. Bombers and strike aircraft have had their alert status raised to Orange until further information about the situation is gathered...

wouldnt 2000 nukes destroy the whole planet?

Kelonian States...for too long have the peaceful nations tolerated the agression of Daylam. We join Matich and Jarridia in ridding the world of this trouble-maker. We call upon our allies Egyptstan and ViZion to join us in this war against Daylam.

" Sire, ICBM's have been keyed to readiness alert status. You have but to give the order, and the birds will be on their way."

Alaric sat for a minute, contemplating the consequences of these actions.
" What is the configuration of the warheads?"

" Sire, we have a total of 400 IBCM's. 150 are the various chem warheads, Sarin, Benzene, Phosphoric Acid, Nitrogen Mustard, Tabun, and Soman. Another 90 are our Bio warheads, Smallpox, Salmonella, Anthrax. The rest are standard 5 to 25 megaton nuclear warheads."


" Matic has launched his nuclear arsenal. Let us not lag behind...we must do our part. Call Egyptstan and confirm his launch, also. Major, launch nukes first, then we'll wait and see if theothers will be necessary."

" Yes, your Majesty...........

In light of the attacks on Daylam by Matich, and the threats made....Jarridia also activates the ICBMs that it owns. A total of 15 have been launched at approximatey 8:13 A.M.

"Mr. President, we've recieved word that Matich has ordered a major nuclear attack upon Daylam." Jack Groger

"We shall do the same, bring the codes and lets get it over with" President with a sigh.


*the codes are rushed in and typed on the computer*

"May god have mercy on their souls," said the President as he pushed the flashing red button.

*ICBM's Launched*

The missiled leap into the air flying towards the brightly colored blue sky, heading towards their disastorous end

Capital Building Matich:

Daylam has threatened us sir

Im tired of that third world countries bs.


Presses the red button.

2000 ICBMs launched from silos inside Matich and allied nations begin soaring towards Daylam.


3 minutes later, Capital Press Building Matich:

Ladies and gentleman of Matich and the world, today I have been forced to make a preemptive strike on the nation of Dylam. I have launched 2000 ICBMs at his nation and they should be detonating as we speak. Earlier today the nation of Daylam threatened to use nukes against myself and Matichs ally Jarridia. We were forced to take preemptive action. Thank you for your time and attention.



OOC: Daylam you should no longer have a nation.


Magdha Must Assist a threatened nation.

Ayodhya, Capital of Magdha:
I the Maharaja of Magdha am assisting in the strike on Daylam, a nation which shall destroy the just must be purged.


I offer my friendship to Matich.

Now, my own ICBMs shall launch at what is left.

Now face the wrath of 100 nukes.....

Inside the cockpit of the Backfire currently over Daylam

...fzzt..."Flight Romeo-Delta One-One, this is Control, over..."
The pilot answered the message "Control, this is Flight Romeo-Delta One-One, we read you, over..."
"OK Flight, get out of that airspace now, umm... we have launches of a large number of ICBMs, there's nothing to see there after the last assault and unless you feel like dodging missiles like Space Invaders be advised to leave the region and return to base, over..."
"Another barrage? How many?" - the pilot was shocked.
"Somewhere in the hundreds are believed fired, Flight, it's not going to be much fun out there soon - get back to base, over"
"Dear God, there's not much down here anyway, it's like one big crater! God only knows what they've got to aim at... roger, control, we'll return to base ASAP, there's not much down here anyway - Flight out."

The large jet began to turn it's nose towards home, eager to escape the incoming barrage of missiles aimed at Daylam...

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Current status of Kelonian Military Forces
Folllowing the reduction of Daylam to a smoking crater by other nations, the bombers and strike aircraft that had been put on alert will no longer be needed, and have been stood down.

Reconnissance aircraft may or may not return to Daylami airspace once this barrage has cleared - a decision is yet to be made.
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Official Release from the Kelonian Government
Nations of the world, we ask you to halt this barrage against Daylam now - the nation has already been crippled, if not totally destroyed. Your aim has been achieved without the need to further irradiate or poison the innocents who cannot be held to blame for their ruler's imperialistic madness.

Daylam is only a small nation and the amount of ICBMs already fired will have easily destroyed him, there is no need for more. The Kelonian government implores you on this issue.

To the people of Kelonia:

We are destroyers of the wicked.

We must destroy the entire nation.

Do not interfere, we the people of Magdha seek frendship with the just.


Maharaja Asoka of Magdha

ATTENTION! Matich, Jarridia, and all anti-Daylam allies!

I strongly urge a cease-fire in the situation with Daylam. Hundreds of our nuclear ICBM's have devastated the country....I fear there is not much, if anything, left.
Let us try and save as many Daylamese civilian as we can find. I am sending our team of Radioactive SpecOps in to ascertain damage as oon as it's "cool" enough.

Hearinf of these attacks, multiple sleeper cells within Matich were awaken.

"Ali! Matich has attacked Daylam! Shall we take matters into our hands now?" Asked Alzire, a new member of a sleeper cell in Matich.
"Yes... Matich is evil. These people must pay for their deeds."

With that, the two spread the word to multiple sleeper cells across the nation.

ATTENTION! Matich, Jarridia, and all anti-Daylam allies!

I strongly urge a cease-fire in the situation with Daylam. Hundreds of our nuclear ICBM's have devastated the country....I fear there is not much, if anything, left.
Let us try and save as many Daylamese civilian as we can find. I am sending our team of Radioactive SpecOps in to ascertain damage as oon as it's "cool" enough.

DP

"This is bullcrap," said the Queen. "If I had any worse reasons to stay out of this right now, I would bomb the sh!t out of that country. Ensign!"

A young naval officer turned his chair towards the Queen. "Yes, ma'am?"

"I want the full details of all Dylam installations. They aren't stupid, they have something left. All Dylamian signatures are to be sent to my office, STAT."

"Yes, ma'am."

ATTENTION! Matich, Jarridia, and all anti-Daylam allies!

I strongly urge a cease-fire in the situation with Daylam. Hundreds of our nuclear ICBM's have devastated the country....I fear there is not much, if anything, left.
Let us try and save as many Daylamese civilian as we can find. I am sending our team of Radioactive SpecOps in to ascertain damage as oon as it's "cool" enough.

Wait, I have to test this thing. Get your people out!

<A single ICBM launches from a silo, it explodes in the air sending a tiny capsule into the ground. The capsule then begins to spray>

I hope you like aerosol carried Ebola.... :twisted:

Dang, man... that's bordering on sick...

The Varessan Commonwealth universally, and in the strongest terms, condemns this action. While we never have, and never will, support terrorism in any way shape or form, the callous and high-handed disregard for the lives and well being of the millions of people of the Sultanate of Daylam is spine-chilling in its barbarity.

The nations who have utilised their ballistic weaponry for the purpose of silencing a supposed "rogue nation" have forgotten the most basic and fundamental of human rights; the right to life. That is a mistake, and a grievous one, that deserves the most vehement condemnation.

We condemn Matich for launching the strike, going as it is against all the principles of common decency. But, even more, we condemn, the nations who, following Matich's example, fired their arsenals at a people who would have been scraping through the dirt to survive. Matich's strike destoryed any possibility that existed for Daylam to attack. Matich specified this as their objective. The Commonwealth disagrees with the method, but agrees with the principle...

For those who fired at Daylam, while its cities lay burning, you now have more to answer for than Daylam ever did.

We propose no military action. That will not bring back the lives lost. Indeed, it would see more lives squandered, and this we despise. But, remember today, all or you, as the darkest day that history has yet seen.

May God have mercy on you all.

Michael Drake
Chancellor
Varessan Commonwealth

***

The Varessan Incident Response Regiment is enrouote to Daylam, to provide humanitarian aid and search for survivors.

Well, If you don't like ballistic weapons then LEAVE us alone.

Dylam is being punished for it's evils commited to humanity.

The Varessan Incident Response Regiment is enrouote to Daylam, to provide humanitarian aid and search for survivors.

Uh... there isn't a Daylam anymore...

Magdha, what you're doing is just evil. Spraying ebola at the defenseless citizens that have already suffered enough from the radiation. the government is to blame for Daylam's actions, not it's people.

Well, If you don't like ballistic weapons then LEAVE us alone.

Dylam is being punished for it's evils commited to humanity.
He has a right to state his opinion.

Magdha, what you're doing is just evil. Spraying ebola at the defenseless citizens that have already suffered enough from the radiation. the government is to blame for Daylam's actions, not it's people.
And Magdha, along with others, will pay.

Magdha, what you're doing is just evil. Spraying ebola at the defenseless citizens that have already suffered enough from the radiation. the government is to blame for Daylam's actions, not it's people.

That is true...

wouldnt 2000 nukes destroy the whole planet?
He has a point...

Magdha, what you're doing is just evil. Spraying ebola at the defenseless citizens that have already suffered enough from the radiation. the government is to blame for Daylam's actions, not it's people.

Well, on a positive note my ebola weapons worked well.

Intelligence reports an 80% infection rate for a 3 mile radius.....

WE ACT IN OUR OWN INTERESTS and SUPPORT PEACE

That's hardly positive.

Magdha, what you're doing is just evil. Spraying ebola at the defenseless citizens that have already suffered enough from the radiation. the government is to blame for Daylam's actions, not it's people.

Well, on a positive note my ebola weapons worked well.

Intelligence reports an 80% infection rate for a 3 mile radius.....

WE ACT IN OUR OWN INTERESTS and SUPPORT PEACE

THIS ISN'T IN THE SUPPORT OF PEACE!!!!!!
THIS IS MORE FOR YOU'RE PERSONAL ENJOYMENT WHILE THOUSANDS LIE DYING WITHOUT ANY TREATMENT!!!!!

That's hardly positive.

You should see my VX weapons effectivness

That's not positive either. The point of the world isn't war, or making bad nations suffer, but to live. Not to kill. We were never intended to kill.

That's not positive either. The point of the world isn't war, or making bad nations suffer, but to live. Not to kill. We were never intended to kill.

Yes I realize that but I must defend my nation and we must utterly destroy our enemies for there to be any peace.

That's hardly positive.

You should see my VX weapons effectivness
You should see what happens when you find out a couple of your scientists who just exited your facility have some in their position, and work for us.

I told you above you would pay.

:lol: :twisted:

The Rykian government fully supports the government of ViZion and has thus engaged Daylam in open warfare, however, the nation's acts so far seem not to warrant such a punishment of the whole of the nation's population. The Rykian government therefore asks Dylam to remove itself from the conflict so that our nation can provide assistance to those devestated by the nuclear attack.

Lawrence Coleridge
Minister of Foreign Affairs

That's hardly positive.

You should see my VX weapons effectivness
You should see what happens when you find out a couple of your scientists who just exited your facility have some in their position, and work for us.

I told you above you would pay.

:lol: :twisted:

I have no quarrel with you.

Besisdes my scientists are well paid.

And I have lotsa WMDS

That's not positive either. The point of the world isn't war, or making bad nations suffer, but to live. Not to kill. We were never intended to kill.

Very well put. I fully agree with this statement. I want to know how infecting and killing thousands, nay, MILLIONS of people can promote peace?

That's not positive either. The point of the world isn't war, or making bad nations suffer, but to live. Not to kill. We were never intended to kill.

Very well put. I fully agree with this statement. I want to know how infecting and killing thousands, nay, MILLIONS of people can promote peace?

Quite simple, no more people to fight.


I am now pulling out of the Dylam conflict, if those who initiated it need assistance they should telegram me.

We greet the attack on Daylam with a profound sense of gratitude. In addition to the many actions outlined earlier, Daylam was also shipping funds and weapons to Dra-Pol, weapons that have been used against Kilean soldiers.

So, by your reasoning, if I killed everyone in the world except my own people then I'm promoting peace?

ViZion asks that all assaults upon Daylam end now. It appears that much of their life has been lost. ViZion is not able to aid in any way at this time, due to a revolt, but we urge nations to go in and help those surviving.

Although we do not support any of Daylam's actions, these actions against the people of Daylam cannot be justified. Magdha you are sick, the use of the ebola virus added with the radiation now destroying what is left of a defeated populaus is sadistic, and nothing you can say and or do can justify that. I have not seen any reason for you to even join in the destruction of Daylam. I hope you burn in hell for your actions

Christ. I hereby claim all territorial rights to Daylam so I can use it as a storage facility for nuclear waste and test ground for Weapons of Mass Destruction.

Allright, dylam is gone. Let us cease firing.

Should they attack again we shall annihilate them.

I will send in specialists to treat whatever survivors there are. I will only do this if everyone will stop attacking Daylam for I do not want my own people in any harm. If any harm does come upon them, then I will hold that country responsible and take appropriate actions to deal with them.

I will send in specialists to treat whatever survivors there are. I will only do this if everyone will stop attacking Daylam for I do not want my own people in any harm. If any harm does come upon them, then I will hold that country responsible and take appropriate actions to deal with them.

I shall send some antiviral drugs to treat any survivors.

Vorpistan, we hold the same beliefs and I am grateful for that,

BUT,

Dylam DOESN'T EXIST. If you send people into there, they will be infected with the worst kind of diseases on Earth.

That's hardly positive.

You should see my VX weapons effectivness
You should see what happens when you find out a couple of your scientists who just exited your facility have some in their position, and work for us.

I told you above you would pay.

:lol: :twisted:

I have no quarrel with you.

Besisdes my scientists are well paid.

And I have lotsa WMDS
You may not think so, but you do.

*In downtown of Magdha's capitol city*
A man walks into a busy office building, visited by many of Magdha's top executives. His name is not being given out due to working for the Government.

We quickly walks over to a ventilation system, which was sucking air in to keep air circulating through the building. He looks around - apparently no body noticed him. He then quickly slips a tube of the VX virus out, unplugged it, and let it be sucked into the system. With that, he closed the tube back up, walked over to the trash, and promptly threw it away. Mission accomplished.

Meanwhile, at the same time, the second scientist was heading over to the largest public high school in Magdha's capitol. He worked part time there for lunch time.

This time, he had a new recipe for food "to die for". As he was cooking the "special of the day", his "special pasta" as he called it, he added the VX virus to it. Since he was along in the kitchen at the time, no one noticed. He then threw away the tube. He never bothered to clean his gloves... he knew it would only help spread it around. And he was glad.

Vorpistan, we hold the same beliefs and I am grateful for that,

BUT,

Dylam DOESN'T EXIST. If you send people into there, they will be infected with the worst kind of diseases on Earth.

What do you mean diseases?

Theres only one horrible disease in dylam..... :twisted:

Terror of the World, you are sick.
Depending on how this plays out, I might just give you the honor of being totally annihalated by TBDSF.

Terror of the World, you are sick.
Depending on how this plays out, I might just give you the honor of being totally annihalated by TBDSF.
You do realize he's the guy who also started the 50,000 terrorist attacks a day trend, right?


Secret IC to TBD: He apparently has been building up after the War on Terrorist nearly killed them off. They've gotten smarter since then, unfortunately. We're working hard to find out who, these days, are housing them, but he's gotten smarter. Will your intellency be willing to help us?

Vorpistan, we hold the same beliefs and I am grateful for that,

BUT,

Dylam DOESN'T EXIST. If you send people into there, they will be infected with the worst kind of diseases on Earth.

My specialists have the equipment to protect them from the ebola virus and radiation. They will continue their search in what's left of Daylam and to the surrounding countries of Daylam since some radiation has had to have spread to there by now.

The Imperial States of Hamanistan has sent 2,000 aid workers along with 5,000 Marines as well as one of our carrier groups.

The carrier group should arrive within the next few NS days.

The carrier group consists of:

1xMarian Stanton Class CVM
2xCarrack Class CG Export
3xSparrowhawk Class DDG Export
1xSniper Class DD Export
1xProwler Class FFG Export
2xHunter Class FF Export
2xLos Angeles Class SSN
1xAOE-6 Fast Combat Stores Ship
1xT-AO 187 Fleet Replenishment Oiler
12xF-14D Tomcat
24xF/A-18E/F Super Hornet
3xEA-6B Prowler
3xE-2C Hawkeye
4xS-3B Viking
4xSH-60F Seahawk
20xSH-60B LAMPS III
2xHH-60H
4xCH-46


OCC: I am using the one RL day-one NS year, so a few days should be in about 10 minutes. Correct?

For this attack on our buisness and youth I hereby condemn you do death!!!!!!

Launch command, Strike their cities with Ebola and Nukes.

Each city in Terror of The World is hit with ebola, sarin, and nukes.

Feel the wrath of Magdha's people.

*Magdha's Nearby fleet launches cruise missiles at villages along the coast and long range bombers drop ebola bombs on inland towns.*

All Terror of the World citizens in magdha are then arressted and detained.

[code:1:158deb5341]
FROM: RomaliaR@intel.tbd.gov
TO: Vorpistan [rerouteaccordingly.exe]

ENCRYPTED (Secret IC)

Yeah. The country wants to have some public terrorist executions ever since the Inner Heaven/Imperial Heaven airport incedent. Transferring files... (ATTACHMENT -- INTEL_TOTW.DOC)

Sincerely,
Queen Romalia
[/code:1:158deb5341]

For this attack on our buisness and youth I hereby condemn you do death!!!!!!

Launch command, Strike their cities with Ebola and Nukes.

Each city in Terror of The World is hit with ebola, sarin, and nukes.

Feel the wrath of Magdha's people.

*Magdha's Nearby fleet launches cruise missiles at villages along the coast and long range bombers drop ebola bombs on inland towns.*

All Terror of the World citizens in magdha are then arressted and detained.

No offence, but this is getting annoying.
Properly RP something.
And, I don't thing TOTW is an actual country, but an organization. So they don't have cities.

For this attack on our buisness and youth I hereby condemn you do death!!!!!!

Launch command, Strike their cities with Ebola and Nukes.

Each city in Terror of The World is hit with ebola, sarin, and nukes.

Feel the wrath of Magdha's people.

*Magdha's Nearby fleet launches cruise missiles at villages along the coast and long range bombers drop ebola bombs on inland towns.*

All Terror of the World citizens in magdha are then arressted and detained.
Magdha, you're a joke. You are full of lies. We have no cities. We have no homeland. We are in other nations - and you do not know where or who.

Plus, you can't just "find us".

That's what I said.

For this attack on our buisness and youth I hereby condemn you do death!!!!!!

Launch command, Strike their cities with Ebola and Nukes.

Each city in Terror of The World is hit with ebola, sarin, and nukes.

Feel the wrath of Magdha's people.

*Magdha's Nearby fleet launches cruise missiles at villages along the coast and long range bombers drop ebola bombs on inland towns.*

All Terror of the World citizens in magdha are then arressted and detained.

OOC: Don't godmod. You know that he should be given a chance to react.

Magdha, you're a joke. You are full of lies. We have no cities. We have no homeland. We are in other nations - and you do not know where or who.

Plus, you can't just "find us".

Well we can fortify everything with armed guards and hit your training camps and sponsoring nations.

WHOEVER SPONSORS TERRORISM SHALL BE KILLED!!!!!

You idiot, I really doubt a terrorist organization is going to have a country to target. I may be wrong but terrorists have cells all over the world, hell Terror of the World probably has cells in Hamanistan. Thus you cannot target his cities, you cannot target his citizens. Also it would take a lot more intellegence for you to locate even the stupidist terror organization.


EDIT: I see all of this was said while I was typing. Also Magdha you cannot fortify your buildings to make them inpenetrable (sp?). And you cannot just find his people. What you are doing is godmoding and godmodding. I say again that you are an idiot.

That's what I said.

OOC: Burnsian Desert, how did you do that? The code?

I hope that everyone shall condemn these attacks and work to destroy terrorism.

OOC: Thanks guys :-) some ppl dont have much common sense. I RP'd better then that in my first terror attack, and that's sayin something... lol

OOC: Burnsian Desert, how did you do that? The code?

[code:1:73205e3d9c]The tag line is: [code]whatever[/code][/code:1:73205e3d9c]

[code:1:b92ca825ff]OOC: Just trying out this code thing...I think it's pretty cool.[/code:1:b92ca825ff]

Terror of the World:

We desire a truce, just give us our citizens involved in the attacks and we shall have peace between us.

OOC: Most people keep it as Secret IC. But I just put this in at the bottom of my messages:

[code:1:fdf7da8581]
Either:
RUN ENCRYPTION...
DONE.

or

[run]ENCRYPT.EXE[/run]

[/code:1:fdf7da8581]

Terror of the World:

We desire a truce, just give us our citizens involved in the attacks and we shall have peace between us.
We demand weapons if this happenes.

[code:1:5ac1d87db6] OOC:So can everybody read this or is there something else you have to do to to single out a country for it to be secret?
Sorry, I'm new at all this. [/code:1:5ac1d87db6]

OOC: No, everyone can see it, it's just that the encryption and Secret IC make it so other countries can't react on it, beyond a reasonable doubt.

For Example,

SECRET IC: 12 nukes crashed into the capital city.

Nope.

But,

SECRET IC: The 12 men slipped quietly into the car.

Is ok.

OOC: Secret IC is exactly what it... a secret, in charactor message to the select nation(s)...
IC:
We request that T/W backs down from their new opperations in Magdha. Magdha, we request you eleminate your chemical and biological weapons.

OOC:Thanks, I think I got it now.

IC: Survivors found!

My specialists have found and treated 8 people found in a basement in the remains of a town on the border. All were in a state of shock but they are expected to live. The have relativaly mild radiation poisioning and no signs of the ebola virus. They are on their way to the best Vorpistani hospital for further treatment.

WOW!

My congratulations on the successful efforts of Vorpistan!

"Sir we have entered Daylam waters." a young sailor on the Carrier HRN Trent reported.

"Very good, launch two F/A-18E/Fs and outfit their pilots with the proper suits to protect them from the radiation, and any diseases." Commanded Admiral Yuri Grotensky.

"Ey Ey sir," and with that the sailor saluted and left the bridge, going to relay the orders to the pilots going into wastelands once known as Daylam.


An hour later:

"Alpha one, Alpha two this is carrier control, you are cleared for takeoff."

"Roger that Carrier Control," reports Aplha one, "Roger Carrier Control," Alpha two replies.

"Come back home safely boys"

And with that the two planes take off within minutes of each other, entering formation, using their cameras mounted on their aircraft to survey the landscape.

As I have found 8 survivors, this encourages the hope of finding others. I will continue the search for survivors. I request help from any other nations that can spare it. It is difficult to search an entire country for survivors with only a limited amount of people. I expect there to be survivors on the border, where it is farthest away from the crater(s).

I would be helping in humanitarian aid, but I am currently having issues in a revolt...

OOC: Also, guys... umm, this isn't official until Daylam accepts these attacks... so, really... his people could be going on with their normal lives...
Just letting everyone know...

OOC: It was fun to go through though...we'll wait and see.

OCC: Good point, Ill just stop where I am, and wait for Daylam's approval of his country beign blown to crap.

OOC:Sorry, I corrected myself when I saw what I wrote was stupid.

To all nations involved:

Please pardon our nation's ignorance, but what, exactly, has the nation of Daylam done to deserve such unbridled destruction? Our nation has never supported the use of WMD's, including nuclear weapons, so we are shocked to see so many used against one nation.

--Ministry of Intelligence, Grand Duchy of Monte Ozarka

Maghda:

The GDMO officially condemns your country for your flippant use of WMD's in the form of the ebola virus. If we were not otherwise disposed in other matters, we might have made this message more clear in other ways. In the meantime, consider yourself warned.

Please pardon our nation's ignorance, but what, exactly, has the nation of Daylam done to deserve such unbridled destruction? Our nation has never supported the use of WMD's, including nuclear weapons, so we are shocked to see so many used against one nation.
Firstly, Kelonia does not support the use of this many nuclear weapons, and certainly does not support the use of biological agents against civilians. The attacks have been carried out, it seems, due to his rampant imperialism across Asia and the Middle East. Evidence here:

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=142943&highlight= (Large portions of central Asia)
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=142810&highlight= (The nation of Turkmenistan)
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=124478&highlight= (The nation of Iran)

And also he seems very trigger-happy with ICBMs and nuclear weapons:
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=142943&highlight= (again - mostly on the second page)

Just looks to me like people wanted to show the nation of Daylam you can't run around overrunning countries and threatening to launch WMDs without angering someone with the power to wipe you off the map, and that's exactly what's happened.

We still don't condone the use of these weapons on this scale, but the old adage "don't dish it out if you can't take it back" stands true. Magdha, the use of ebola on civilians already weakened by nuclear devastation is unnacceptable. Launching these kinds of attacks is part of the reason Daylam was attacked - You would do well to remember that.

Unchecked use of WMDs is rarely tolerated for long, especially ones as horrific as biological agents as devastating as ebola.

***This has been a semi-official announcement on behalf of the Kelonian government***

bump
OOC: Just keep in mind, this hasn't officially happened yet.

Number A: Daylam threatened nukes OOC if a full-scale invasion happened. This was non-IC and as such did not happen.

Number B: We have extensive detection and shielding technologies. First of all we should have shot them down and even if they made it they would be detected and the full nuclear arsenal of Daylam launched onto your nation to annihilate you as well.

Number C: Finally, your nukes dont do anything if I simply fire the ignore cannon at this poor RP assault. Fuck the hell off. You want to see a nation that abuses nukes try IDF, who annihilated the city of Damascus because it had suspected terrorists. Matich did this because he, Jarridia, and Xeraph all hold grudges against my nation. Frankly, Ill just ignore it.

Fine then you no longer exist to me. I rped this realistically and a. You are too small for a huge nuclear defense system b. I do have an SDN and c. You are a horrible rper if you ignore something just because u dont like it. I urge all nations to IGNORE Dylam.

Daylam is ignored

So, once again, Daylam doesn't want to play, so he runs away. This isn't the first time Daylam has chosen to ignore attacks against him. So, like my loyal allies, I hereby place a Lifetime Ignore upon the cowardly nation of Daylam. As far as I'm concerned, Daylam no longer exists.

And good riddance.

Number A: Daylam threatened nukes OOC if a full-scale invasion happened. This was non-IC and as such did not happen.

OOC, was it? Doesn't look like it to me:
Matich, how are you going to get to my nation or the occupied territories? Furthermore, are you willing to risk the annihilation of several of your largest population centers by nuclear weapons because you have a personal vendetta against me?

The rest of that post is IC and you haven't designated that particular part as OOC, therefore it remains IC. Things don't jump between status just because you don't like how it made things turn out, that's a poor excuse.

Oh, and as for:
Finally, your nukes dont do anything if I simply fire the ignore cannon at this poor RP assault.
...I'd keep quiet about bad RP'ing if I were you.

I'm not in the habit of ignoring anyone but the very worst of RP'ers, so I'm not going to heed the calls to totally ignore you, but given the amount of weapons that bombarded your country, I'd say you won't be doing much for a while anyway :P

***This has been a totally unofficial rant on behalf of Me***

So, once again, Daylam doesn't want to play, so he runs away. This isn't the first time Daylam has chosen to ignore attacks against him. So, like my loyal allies, I hereby place a Lifetime Ignore upon the cowardly nation of Daylam. As far as I'm concerned, Daylam no longer exists.

And good riddance.

Second the Motion.

Terror of the World:

We desire a truce, just give us our citizens involved in the attacks and we shall have peace between us.
We demand weapons if this happenes.

I have looked at what you believe. We are not so different, our views are similar and I cannot see why we should fight.

I thus offer you the following:
The ability to set up bases in our nation
Monetary Aid
Access to hitech military hardware.
And of course some wonderful WMDS

We just ask that you hand over our citizens involved in the attacks and a truce between us.

Maharaja Ashoka of Magdha

Terror of the World:

We desire a truce, just give us our citizens involved in the attacks and we shall have peace between us.
We demand weapons if this happenes.

I have looked at what you believe. We are not so different, our views are similar and I cannot see why we should fight.

I thus offer you the following:
The ability to set up bases in our nation
Monetary Aid
Access to hitech military hardware.
And of course some wonderful WMDS

We just ask that you hand over our citizens involved in the attacks and a truce between us.

Maharaja Ashoka of Magdha

Scared? I wouldn't give up without a fight. You are basically giving him free reign over your country... and submitting to a tactic you used nukes and slaughtered children to prevent.

Scared? I wouldn't give up without a fight. You are basically giving him free reign over your country... and submitting to a tactic you used nukes and slaughtered children to prevent.

I think he could make a useful ally. As i said before our views are similar......

You have some nerve.

You have some nerve.

It's called Realpolitik. :wink:

Anyway, as promised I am sending some suitcase nukes and truckbased WMD delivery systems to you T/W.

Use them well.

Capital Building Matich:

Daylam has threatened us sir

Im tired of that third world countries bs.


Presses the red button.

2000 ICBMs launched from silos inside Matich and allied nations begin soaring towards Daylam.


3 minutes later, Capital Press Building Matich:

Ladies and gentleman of Matich and the world, today I have been forced to make a preemptive strike on the nation of Dylam. I have launched 2000 ICBMs at his nation and they should be detonating as we speak. Earlier today the nation of Daylam threatened to use nukes against myself and Matichs ally Jarridia. We were forced to take preemptive action. Thank you for your time and attention.



OOC: Daylam you should no longer have a nation.OOC: Intresting, Oldie Godmodding.

Magdha, do you realize that by harboring terrorist and offering them aid you are opening yourself up to total destruction by nations that have absolutely no use for terrorists? TW is a nationless-nation. Where ever they can find a friendly nation, there is their home. And as I've said, there are certain nations who will simply destroy you for allying yourself w/them.

I will not launch an attack upon you without giving you the opportunity to rethink your stance on terror. But I cannot allow TW to occupy yet another nation without doing something about it.

Please think it over.

respectfully,

Alaric of Xeraph

Magdha, do you realize that by harboring terrorist and offering them aid you are opening yourself up to total destruction by nations that have absolutely no use for terrorists? TW is a nationless-nation. Where ever they can find a friendly nation, there is their home. And as I've said, there are certain nations who will simply destroy you for allying yourself w/them.

I will not launch an attack upon you without giving you the opportunity to rethink your stance on terror. But I cannot allow TW to occupy yet another nation without doing something about it.

Please think it over.

respectfully,Alaric of Xeraph


To protect my security I shall agree with what you say.

I am sorry T/W but I cannot allow my people to be harmed. Thus I cannot support you.
please do not harm my people or allow them to be harmed.


Does anyone object to me giving him a few weapons for a truce?

Magdha, you are one scared little rabbit. Terrorists say that they're gunna attack. You ally with them. Anti-terrorists say they're gunna attack. You ally with them. Pfft.

OOC: T/W, check TGs.

Magdha, you are one scared little rabbit. Terrorists say that they're gunna attack. You ally with them. Anti-terrorists say they're gunna attack. You ally with them. Pfft.

I want what is best for my people.

I do not want war with anyone.

Please leave us in peace.

I have chosen to remain neutral.

Magdha, do you realize that by harboring terrorist and offering them aid you are opening yourself up to total destruction by nations that have absolutely no use for terrorists? TW is a nationless-nation. Where ever they can find a friendly nation, there is their home. And as I've said, there are certain nations who will simply destroy you for allying yourself w/them.

I will not launch an attack upon you without giving you the opportunity to rethink your stance on terror. But I cannot allow TW to occupy yet another nation without doing something about it.

Please think it over.

respectfully,Alaric of Xeraph

To protect my security I shall agree with what you say.

I am sorry T/W but I cannot allow my people to be harmed. Thus I cannot support you.
please do not harm my people or allow them to be harmed.


Does anyone object to me giving him a few weapons for a truce?


No Maghda....you will provide no support to him. I repeat! YOU WILL NOT GIVE HIM ANYTHING!

Magdha, do you realize that by harboring terrorist and offering them aid you are opening yourself up to total destruction by nations that have absolutely no use for terrorists? TW is a nationless-nation. Where ever they can find a friendly nation, there is their home. And as I've said, there are certain nations who will simply destroy you for allying yourself w/them.

I will not launch an attack upon you without giving you the opportunity to rethink your stance on terror. But I cannot allow TW to occupy yet another nation without doing something about it.

Please think it over.

respectfully,Alaric of Xeraph

To protect my security I shall agree with what you say.

I am sorry T/W but I cannot allow my people to be harmed. Thus I cannot support you.
please do not harm my people or allow them to be harmed.


Does anyone object to me giving him a few weapons for a truce?


No Maghda....you will provide no support to him. If he attacks you, then I will aid in any way possible. I repeat! YOU WILL NOT GIVE HIM ANYTHING!


I accept your offer of freindship and will comply with what you desire.

I don't want my people to die in nuclear holocaust.

We are pleased that you have made the right decision. TW and nations like it are a blight on the world, and must be dealt with in a clear and consise manner.

And no, don't give them anything. Give terrorists an inch, and they'll want a mile.

<OOC> if I'm not mistaken, TW can officially be IGNORED if it refuses to admit that it has a physical nation on NS. TW states that "we have no homeland...our home is where ever we find ourselves", or something to that effect. If other nations cannot invade and/or otherwise attack TW as an actual nation, then it would be impossible to ever stop it's actions. How about if Xeraph, or Matich, or Jarridia, or anybody else simply says " you can't attack our nation....we don't have one.' How convenient.


I'd like other's thoughts on this.

thanks,

Alaric

YOU DON'T WANT YOUR PEOPLE TO DIE IN A NUCLEAR HOLOCAUST?? WHAT THE HECK DO YOU THINK YOU DID TO DYLAM??!!

Magdha, I strongly object to you providing WMD's to T/W. If you provide any aid to them it's still going to be used to kill many people, therefore you are still accociating yourself with them. You must not cave in to their demands and stand tall.

We are pleased that you have made the right decision. TW and nations like it are a blight on the world, and must be dealt with in a clear and consise manner.

And no, don't give them anything. Give terrorists an inch, and they'll want a mile.

<OOC> if I'm not mistaken, TW can officially be IGNORED if it refuses to admit that it has a physical nation on NS. TW states that "we have no homeland...our home is where ever we find ourselves", or something to that effect. If other nations cannot invade and/or otherwise attack TW as an actual nation, then it would be impossible to ever stop it's actions. How about if Xeraph, or Matich, or Jarridia, or anybody else simply says " you can't attack our nation....we don't have one.' How convenient.


I'd like other's thoughts on this.

thanks,

Alaric

It is indeed convinient, maybe he still has sponsoring nations that must be destroyed.

I still need justice for the attack on buisness and on CHILDREN preformed by T/W.

We are pleased that you have made the right decision. TW and nations like it are a blight on the world, and must be dealt with in a clear and consise manner.

And no, don't give them anything. Give terrorists an inch, and they'll want a mile.

<OOC> if I'm not mistaken, TW can officially be IGNORED if it refuses to admit that it has a physical nation on NS. TW states that "we have no homeland...our home is where ever we find ourselves", or something to that effect. If other nations cannot invade and/or otherwise attack TW as an actual nation, then it would be impossible to ever stop it's actions. How about if Xeraph, or Matich, or Jarridia, or anybody else simply says " you can't attack our nation....we don't have one.' How convenient.


I'd like other's thoughts on this.

thanks,

Alaric


I agree Alaric. He needs to admit to having a physical nation or I will ignore him for good.

I still need justice for the attack on buisness and on CHILDREN preformed by T/W.

Oh, you did absolutely nothing to Dylam...

You want to talk to me about good RP'ing? Ok, then here's my IC response to your attack.


IC

The Caliph sat alone in his last few minutes on earth. His family members had all been smuggled out of the country as the nations of Matich, Jarridia, and Xeraph launched the mass genocide across Central Asia and Northern Iran. He had the pleasure of pressing the little red button that brought the entire nation of Jarridia with Daylam into eternal destruction. Allahu Akbar.

<OOC> if I'm not mistaken, TW can officially be IGNORED if it refuses to admit that it has a physical nation on NS. TW states that "we have no homeland...our home is where ever we find ourselves", or something to that effect. If other nations cannot invade and/or otherwise attack TW as an actual nation, then it would be impossible to ever stop it's actions. How about if Xeraph, or Matich, or Jarridia, or anybody else simply says " you can't attack our nation....we don't have one.' How convenient.


I'd like other's thoughts on this.

thanks,

Alaric

ooc: i whole-heartedly agree. i was thinking about this a little bit ago. every organization capable of carrying out large-scale terrorist attacks has to have a base of operations of some sort to coordinate, train, and plan attacks. to claim that you are purely made up of what can assumed to be sleeper cells would make yourself, in effect, invincible due to the inability to ever destroy each individual cell. however, in real life, in order to dismember such organizations, military forces concentrate on striking the leadership and supporting contingents. after all, terrorist organizations can't attack if you eliminate someone in the mysterious sleeper chain of command or if you take away their ability to acquire weapons. basically, you must have some base of support in one nation or another. either you have your own terrorist nation, or you are extracting support from another.

if you are neither, you do not exist.

You want to talk to me about good RP'ing? Ok, then here's my IC response to your attack.


IC

The Caliph sat alone in his last few minutes on earth. His family members had all been smuggled out of the country as the nations of Matich, Jarridia, and Xeraph launched the mass genocide across Central Asia and Northern Iran. He had the pleasure of pressing the little red button that brought the entire nation of Jarridia with Daylam into eternal destruction. Allahu Akbar.



Ok well my SDN also covers Jarridia and other nations. Its not just mine its the CFA plus allies. All nukes were destroyed in flight.


OOC: Oh and how would u smuggle relatives out of the country? You would have like a few minutes of warning. You are still IGNORED until you can learn to rp.

Does that mean that because RL terror networks do not have their own country, such as the nation of Al Quida, that they can simply be ignored? No. Terror networks have cells. There is no nation called Al Quida. There is no nation called Terror of the World. We are TERROR NETWORKS. We have CELLS. If you ignore be because of that, you would be just like Daylam ignoring Matich - because you don't like what the outcome may be. Terrorists do not have their own homeland. We have cells. If you find out where we are ICly, then you have the means to destroy us. But dont go ignoring terror networks because we have cells and are acting LIKE REAL TERROR NETWORKS. That is plain and simple BAD RP'ERS.

Magdha - We are discusted by your choice to be bullied by the evil nations. Do not listen to them. They will do nothing but use you.

As usual, you have flip-flopped your original statement, i.e., to ignore the lot of us. As far as Xeraph is concerned, you are IGNORED in perpetuity.

Hope you have fun playing w/yourself, as I am personally going to see to it that no one ever pays any attention to you again.

We are pleased that you have made the right decision. TW and nations like it are a blight on the world, and must be dealt with in a clear and consise manner.

And no, don't give them anything. Give terrorists an inch, and they'll want a mile.

<OOC> if I'm not mistaken, TW can officially be IGNORED if it refuses to admit that it has a physical nation on NS. TW states that "we have no homeland...our home is where ever we find ourselves", or something to that effect. If other nations cannot invade and/or otherwise attack TW as an actual nation, then it would be impossible to ever stop it's actions. How about if Xeraph, or Matich, or Jarridia, or anybody else simply says " you can't attack our nation....we don't have one.' How convenient.


I'd like other's thoughts on this.

thanks,

Alaric

Very good point, he is essentially godmodding.

Please show me the threads where you placed SAMs over Jarridia's nation. If you cant provide them, then please kindly go away. Thank you.

NONONONO U R GODMODDING I SHOT DON UR NUK!!!

Ok well my SDN also cover Jarridia and other nations. Its not just mine its teh CFA plus allies. All nukes were destroyed in flight.

Then we can end this topic...

ooc:
Daylam: ...and the "little red button" did what, exactly?

T/W: TG

<OOC> if I'm not mistaken, TW can officially be IGNORED if it refuses to admit that it has a physical nation on NS. TW states that "we have no homeland...our home is where ever we find ourselves", or something to that effect. If other nations cannot invade and/or otherwise attack TW as an actual nation, then it would be impossible to ever stop it's actions. How about if Xeraph, or Matich, or Jarridia, or anybody else simply says " you can't attack our nation....we don't have one.' How convenient.


I'd like other's thoughts on this.

thanks,

Alaric

ooc: i whole-heartedly agree. i was thinking about this a little bit ago. every organization capable of carrying out large-scale terrorist attacks has to have a base of operations of some sort to coordinate, train, and plan attacks. to claim that you are purely made up of what can assumed to be sleeper cells would make yourself, in effect, invincible due to the inability to ever destroy each individual cell. however, in real life, in order to dismember such organizations, military forces concentrate on striking the leadership and supporting contingents. after all, terrorist organizations can't attack if you eliminate someone in the mysterious sleeper chain of command or if you take away their ability to acquire weapons. basically, you must have some base of support in one nation or another. either you have your own terrorist nation, or you are extracting support from another.

if you are neither, you do not exist.
We have bases in nations that allow us to. But, we have no physical nation of "Terror of the World".

Oh, you did absolutely nothing to Dylam...
The case of Dylam was one of retribution for supporting terrorism.

I supported no terrorism and WAS attacked by TERRORISTS who attacked CHILDREN!!!

Supersaturated the Jarridian nation with enough nukes to destroy the entire world two times over.

Supported

Does that mean that because RL terror networks do not have their own country, such as the nation of Al Quida, that they can simply be ignored? No. Terror networks have cells. There is no nation called Al Quida. There is no nation called Terror of the World. We are TERROR NETWORKS. We have CELLS. If you ignore be because of that, you would be just like Daylam ignoring Matich - because you don't like what the outcome may be. Terrorists do not have their own homeland. We have cells. If you find out where we are ICly, then you have the means to destroy us. But dont go ignoring terror networks because we have cells and are acting LIKE REAL TERROR NETWORKS. That is plain and simple BAD RP'ERS.

Magdha - We are discusted by your choice to be bullied by the evil nations. Do not listen to them. They will do nothing but use you.



TW, you forget that this is a game, not RL, and there are rules. In RL, there are no moderators to monitor players actions. Therefore, as far as Xeraph is concerned, TW does not exist, it's forces do not exist, and Xeraph will IGNORE TW in perpetuity.

As usual, you have flip-flopped your original statement, i.e., to ignore the lot of us. As far as Xeraph is concerned, you are IGNORED in perpetuity.

Hope you have fun playing w/yourself, as I am personally going to see to it that no one ever pays any attention to you again.

This statement is directed towards Daylam.

I didnt ignore Matich because I didnt like the result. I said I would ignore him if he didnt RP right, which he didnt. If he says my nation is destroyed, then so is Jarridia's.

Does that mean that because RL terror networks do not have their own country, such as the nation of Al Quida, that they can simply be ignored? No. Terror networks have cells. There is no nation called Al Quida. There is no nation called Terror of the World. We are TERROR NETWORKS. We have CELLS. If you ignore be because of that, you would be just like Daylam ignoring Matich - because you don't like what the outcome may be. Terrorists do not have their own homeland. We have cells. If you find out where we are ICly, then you have the means to destroy us. But dont go ignoring terror networks because we have cells and are acting LIKE REAL TERROR NETWORKS. That is plain and simple BAD RP'ERS.

Magdha - We are discusted by your choice to be bullied by the evil nations. Do not listen to them. They will do nothing but use you.

Al Queda was BASED in Afganistan and had many forces there, you're just saying that you're all spread out in different nations.

Supported

I witheld arms shipments which T/W wanted for a truce between My nation and his terror organization.

I want peace between T/W and myself.

Does that mean that because RL terror networks do not have their own country, such as the nation of Al Quida, that they can simply be ignored? No. Terror networks have cells. There is no nation called Al Quida. There is no nation called Terror of the World. We are TERROR NETWORKS. We have CELLS. If you ignore be because of that, you would be just like Daylam ignoring Matich - because you don't like what the outcome may be. Terrorists do not have their own homeland. We have cells. If you find out where we are ICly, then you have the means to destroy us. But dont go ignoring terror networks because we have cells and are acting LIKE REAL TERROR NETWORKS. That is plain and simple BAD RP'ERS.

Magdha - We are discusted by your choice to be bullied by the evil nations. Do not listen to them. They will do nothing but use you.

Al Queda was BASED in Afganistan and had many forces there, you're just saying that you're all spread out in different nations.
And we were BASED in Egypstan. But, like Al Quida was in Afganistan, we were forced out of Egypstan. We have SECRET ICly been accepted into other nations to set up.

Supersaturated the Jarridian nation with enough nukes to destroy the entire world two times over.

When did you get this many nukes seeing how relativaly small your nation is?

Supersaturated the Jarridian nation with enough nukes to destroy the entire world two times over.

When did you get this many nukes seeing how relativaly small your nation is?


I question this myself.

Does that mean that because RL terror networks do not have their own country, such as the nation of Al Quida, that they can simply be ignored? No. Terror networks have cells. There is no nation called Al Quida. There is no nation called Terror of the World. We are TERROR NETWORKS. We have CELLS. If you ignore be because of that, you would be just like Daylam ignoring Matich - because you don't like what the outcome may be. Terrorists do not have their own homeland. We have cells. If you find out where we are ICly, then you have the means to destroy us. But dont go ignoring terror networks because we have cells and are acting LIKE REAL TERROR NETWORKS. That is plain and simple BAD RP'ERS.

Magdha - We are discusted by your choice to be bullied by the evil nations. Do not listen to them. They will do nothing but use you.



TW, you forget that this is a game, not RL, and there are rules. In RL, there are no moderators to monitor players actions. Therefore, as far as Xeraph is concerned, TW does not exist, it's forces do not exist, and Xeraph will IGNORE TW in perpetuity.
Oh, so, tell me why I have to RP with "rules" that say I can't be like a real terror network, yet you don't have to RP with "rules" that say you can't be like a real nation. I am RPing like a real network, just like you are as real nation. Is there a problem there?

Let's see her. The USA and Soviet Union combined are about the size of my population. In their heyday they could destroy the world 3 times over. I think Im justified in saying I supersaturate Jarridia with enough to destroy it 2 times over.
Oh, whats that Jarridia, you dont like the result? boo-hoo.

I am not being bullied T/W.

I really just want peace and security for my people.

If I give you weapons you let me remain peaceful but other nations nuke the crap outta me.

If I withold them you attack.

I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place here....

I am not being bullied T/W.

I really just want peace and security for my people.

If I give you weapons you let me remain peaceful but other nations nuke the crap outta me.

If I withold them you attack.

I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place here....

I would suggest that you side with the non-terrorists on this one and increase alerts in your country. I don't feel happy supporting you judging what you did earlier, but I dislike terrorists even more.

I would suggest that you side with the non-terrorists on this one and increase alerts in your country. I don't feel happy supporting you judging what you did earlier, but I dislike terrorists even more.

Thank you.

I shall follow your recommendations.

And as soon as T/W is gone I shall dismantle my Bioweapons stocks.

OOC: Night... one comment before I go... I see both sides of T/W vs. Xeraph's ignore/dont ignore argument... and (suprisingly) I agree w/ T/W... he made some good points... so, as far as I'm considered, I wont ignore him on the "no homeland" issue... we did push him outta Egypstan... (Damn, why'd T/W have to reply? I woulda agreed w/ Xeraph and wouldn't have had to worry about the nuclear issue! Grrr! lol)

I am not being bullied T/W.

I really just want peace and security for my people.

If I give you weapons you let me remain peaceful but other nations nuke the crap outta me.

If I withold them you attack.

I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place here....

See "resolution against Daylam and TW" thread. This will get you out of your dilemma

See "resolution against Daylam and TW" thread. This will get you out of your dilemma

I seconded your motion.