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The Zeeland-Germania shipyards are offering profesionally designed world war I era dreadnoughts. All vessals are created to high design specifications and are checked for such areas as stability, seaworthiness, hull stregnth, and other vitial areas. We have a couple of sample designs, however, we are happy to do custom orders.

((Please include the year in your order, as the program calculates weights, costs and performance by year--a 1914 vessal will be more efficient than a 1912 one)


Export Battleship, laid down 1911

Length, 600 ft x Beam, 95.0 ft x Depth, 28.5 ft
28777 tons normal displacement (26883 tons standard)

Main battery: 12 x 12.5-inch (4 x 3; 2 superfiring)
Secondary battery: 16 x 6.1-inch

Weight of broadside: 13535 lbs

Main belt, 13.0 inches; bow and stern, 6.0 inches
Upper belt, 11.0 inches
Torpedo bulkhead, 1.0 inches
Armor deck, average 4.0 inches
C.T., 12.0 inches

Battery armor:
Main, 12.0" / secondary, 4.0"


Maximum speed for 34213 shp = 21.00 knots
Approximate cruising radius, 11900 nm / 10 kts

Typical complement: 1105-1436


Estimated cost, $9.987 million (£2.497 million)

Remarks:

Oil firing.

Ship has slow, easy roll; a good, steady gun platform.

Good seaboat; rides out heavy weather easily.

Magazines and engineering spaces are roomy, with superior
watertight subdivision.

Ship is roomy, with superior accommodation and working space.

Main deck secondary guns subject to being washed down
in a seaway.


Distribution of weights:
Percent
normal
displacement:

Armament ......................... 1692 tons = 6 pct
Armor, total ..................... 11552 tons = 40 pct

Belt 4600 tons = 16 pct
Torpedo bulkhead 411 tons = 1 pct
Deck 3062 tons = 11 pct
C.T. 244 tons = 1 pct
Armament 3236 tons = 11 pct

Machinery ........................ 1389 tons = 5 pct
Hull and fittings; equipment ..... 10547 tons = 37 pct
Fuel, ammunition, stores ......... 3597 tons = 13 pct
Miscellaneous weights ............ 0 tons = 0 pct
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28777 tons = 100 pct

Estimated metacentric height, 4.6 ft

Displacement summary:

Light ship: 25180 tons
Standard displacement: 26883 tons
Normal service: 28777 tons
Full load: 30177 tons

Loading submergence 1182 tons/foot

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Estimated overall survivability and seakeeping ability:

Relative margin of stability: 1.00

Shellfire needed to sink: 32021 lbs = 32.8 x 12.5-inch shells
(Approximates weight of penetrating
shell hits needed to sink ship,
not counting critical hits)

Torpedoes needed to sink: 4.9
(Approximates number of 'typical'
torpedo hits needed to sink ship)

Relative steadiness as gun platform, 72 percent
(50 percent is 'average')

Relative rocking effect from firing to beam, 0.69

Relative quality as a seaboat: 1.31

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Hull form characteristics:

Block coefficient: 0.62
Sharpness coefficient: 0.43
Hull speed coefficient 'M' = 5.99
'Natural speed' for length = 24.5 knots
Power going to wave formation
at top speed: 44 percent


Estimated hull characteristics and strength:

Relative underwater volume absorbed by
magazines and engineering spaces: 78 percent

Relative accommodation and working space: 128 percent


Displacement factor: 104 percent
(Displacement relative to loading factors)


Relative cross-sectional hull strength: 0.97
(Structure weight per square
foot of hull surface: 185 lbs)

Relative longitudinal hull strength: 1.35
(for 18.0 ft average freeboard;
freeboard adjustment -0.7 ft)

Relative composite hull strength: 1.00

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Battlecriuser, laid down 1914

Length, 675 ft x Beam, 93.0 ft x Depth, 31.0 ft
32804 tons normal displacement (30244 tons standard)

Main battery: 9 x 12.5-inch (3 x 3; 1 superfiring)
Secondary battery: 16 x 6.1-inch

Weight of broadside: 10605 lbs

2 TT, 21.0" (submerged)

Main belt, 12.0 inches; bow and stern, 4.0 inches
Upper belt, 8.0 inches
Torpedo bulkhead, 2.0 inches
Armor deck, average 4.0 inches
C.T., 12.0 inches

Battery armor:
Main, 12.0" / secondary, 3.0"


Maximum speed for 105905 shp = 28.00 knots
Approximate cruising radius, 16900 nm / 10 kts

Typical complement: 1219-1584


Estimated cost, $13.691 million (£3.423 million)

Remarks:

Oil firing.

Ship has slow, easy roll; a good, steady gun platform.

Ship is roomy, with superior accommodation and working space.

Main deck secondary guns subject to being washed down
in a seaway.


Distribution of weights:
Percent
normal
displacement:

Armament ......................... 1326 tons = 4 pct
Armor, total ..................... 11403 tons = 35 pct

Belt 4187 tons = 13 pct
Torpedo bulkhead 1006 tons = 3 pct
Deck 3262 tons = 10 pct
C.T. 266 tons = 1 pct
Armament 2682 tons = 8 pct

Machinery ........................ 4080 tons = 12 pct
Hull and fittings; equipment ..... 11895 tons = 36 pct
Fuel, ammunition, stores ......... 4101 tons = 13 pct
Miscellaneous weights ............ 0 tons = 0 pct
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32804 tons = 100 pct

Estimated metacentric height, 4.5 ft

Displacement summary:

Light ship: 28704 tons
Standard displacement: 30244 tons
Normal service: 32804 tons
Full load: 34722 tons

Loading submergence 1259 tons/foot

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Estimated overall survivability and seakeeping ability:

Relative margin of stability: 1.00

Shellfire needed to sink: 33108 lbs = 33.9 x 12.5-inch shells
(Approximates weight of penetrating
shell hits needed to sink ship,
not counting critical hits)

Torpedoes needed to sink: 4.4
(Approximates number of 'typical'
torpedo hits needed to sink ship)

Relative steadiness as gun platform, 71 percent
(50 percent is 'average')

Relative rocking effect from firing to beam, 0.69

Relative quality as a seaboat: 1.14

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All foreign orders have a 30% export fee.

Have there been arrangements made to help prevent shots reaching the battery easily, as this was a major failing point of the old dreadnoughts, like you build. Other than that, nice stuff.

All vessals have surperior magazine protection, several layers of flashtight doors between the battery and magazine (the lack of these doors was what caused the British losses at Jutland) and fast flooding arrangements for magazine damage. In addition, a very stable form of Cordite is used, one that does not include include nitroglycerin added to the nitrocelluose. While this gives an added kick, the stuff tends to sweat, and that creates a very unstable substance. Additionally, the charge (cordite) bags are kept in brass cylinders, which vastly increases safety, even in the event of a magazine hit. All magazines are behind the belt armor, which is heavier than contemporary designs, for both the upper and lower belts. Also, we have better than average deck protection for proof against plunging fire. We use the historical precautions of German Dreadnought design, and we can point to the fact that no German capitol ship was ever lost to magazine explosion, even though many took direct hits to turrets and even magazines.

Hehehe....I know springsharp when I see it!

Roycelandia is VERY interested in acquiring some of these Dreadnoughts- say, 250 of them, keels laid in 1918?

Specifically, we're interested in the "Export Battleship" class...

/me notes that by default brass is generally a weaker metal. You can hammer with a chisel 1" thick of Brass, let alone whatever these cylinders are.

We have telegramed you to confirm the order. It is huge, but the design would be updated to take advantage of the technology of that year.

OOC: Konig, where are you going to get the 5,045,000+ metric tonnes of steel or whatever material you are building these Dreadnoughts with?

What is the latest year (tech-wise) you could make a Dreadnought?

Roycelandia's Military are Modern-Retro tech levels (ie old designs, new technology- Spitfires with ECMs and Ejection seats, and so on).

Is there any way you could take a 1918 era Dreadnought design and make it with Modern Materials, Electronics, and Armaments etc?

If so, how much would it cost?

One addition we would like for our Dreadnoughts is a Steam-catapult on the forward Guns, for launching SeaFires (the design was first perfected in 1915, IIRC, so it shouldn't be hard to do...).

Do let us know the projected timeframe and cost for all of this...

OOC: And what program? You mentioned one..

OOC: Trade Secret, that...

Regards the Steel, we shall advertise for that we cannot produce from our own sources...

OOC: You could become *unlazy* and do it the hard way, you know.

I'll buy one for my naval museum!

The main bottlenecks in BB production are going to be as follows:

Slips. We have a large navy with heavy shipbuilding industry. That means we have something like 25 slips capable of of accomodating large warships of that size. Of them, currently, eight are in use. This will reduce the the number of vessals we can lay down at once.

Skilled personnel. Once again, we have skilled workers for the shipyards, but none of the companies involved expected an order of that size. To get your order out in decent time, it will take personnal working around the the clock in three shifts. It will take some time to round up and/or train additional yard workers.

Steel Plate. Steel itself is no problem, but making the armor plate is going to be somewhat problematic. We have the stuff stockpiled, but not in the quantity that your order calls for. Most modern nations are not even capable of producing that kind of armor anymore. It will take time to boost production capability to the necessary level.

None of these problems are insurmountable, but they will add time to the order. We are still calculating how much.

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This is your Battleship, updated for the year. The catapault you requested has been added. The total cost of the order is 9 billion. As far as when the order shall be ready at current time compression rates, it should be completed in it's entirety in 4 months of Actual time. Vessals shall be arriving in waves, so you'll have ships in service before the order is completed. We shall need the total cost up front, but thereafter, no further contact is necessary to add the ships to your fleet.

This cost only reflects building costs. If you want upgrades from Essalieyan, those cost will be separate.

Roycelandia Battleship, laid down 1918

Length, 600 ft x Beam, 98.0 ft x Depth, 28.5 ft
29686 tons normal displacement (27696 tons standard)

Main battery: 12 x 12.5-inch (4 x 3; 2 superfiring)
Secondary battery: 16 x 6.1-inch

Weight of broadside: 13535 lbs

Main belt, 13.0 inches; bow and stern, 6.0 inches
Upper belt, 11.0 inches
Torpedo bulkhead, 1.0 inches
Armor deck, average 4.0 inches
C.T., 12.0 inches

Battery armor:
Main, 12.0" / secondary, 4.0"


Maximum speed for 35017 shp = 21.00 knots
Approximate cruising radius, 16300 nm / 10 kts

Typical complement: 1131-1470


Estimated cost, $20.057 million (£5.014 million)

Remarks:

Oil firing.

Ship has slow, easy roll; a good, steady gun platform.

Good seaboat; rides out heavy weather easily.

Magazines and engineering spaces are roomy, with superior
watertight subdivision.

Ship is roomy, with superior accommodation and working space.

Main deck secondary guns subject to being washed down
in a seaway.


Distribution of weights:
Percent
normal
displacement:

Armament ......................... 1692 tons = 6 pct
Armor, total ..................... 11786 tons = 40 pct

Belt 4667 tons = 16 pct
Torpedo bulkhead 411 tons = 1 pct
Deck 3159 tons = 11 pct
C.T. 249 tons = 1 pct
Armament 3299 tons = 11 pct

Machinery ........................ 1263 tons = 4 pct
Hull and fittings; equipment ..... 11184 tons = 38 pct
Fuel, ammunition, stores ......... 3711 tons = 13 pct
*Miscellaneous weights ............ 50 tons = 0 pct
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29686 tons = 100 pct

Estimated metacentric height, 5.0 ft

Displacement summary:

Light ship: 25975 tons
Standard displacement: 27696 tons
Normal service: 29686 tons
Full load: 31158 tons

Loading submergence 1220 tons/foot

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Estimated overall survivability and seakeeping ability:

Relative margin of stability: 1.01

Shellfire needed to sink: 35804 lbs = 36.7 x 12.5-inch shells
(Approximates weight of penetrating
shell hits needed to sink ship,
not counting critical hits)

Torpedoes needed to sink: 5.6
(Approximates number of 'typical'
torpedo hits needed to sink ship)

Relative steadiness as gun platform, 75 percent
(50 percent is 'average')

Relative rocking effect from firing to beam, 0.65

Relative quality as a seaboat: 1.36

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Hull form characteristics:

Block coefficient: 0.62
Sharpness coefficient: 0.43
Hull speed coefficient 'M' = 5.93
'Natural speed' for length = 24.5 knots
Power going to wave formation
at top speed: 44 percent


Estimated hull characteristics and strength:

Relative underwater volume absorbed by
magazines and engineering spaces: 74 percent

Relative accommodation and working space: 134 percent


Displacement factor: 107 percent
(Displacement relative to loading factors)


Relative cross-sectional hull strength: 0.99
(Structure weight per square
foot of hull surface: 192 lbs)

Relative longitudinal hull strength: 1.45
(for 18.7 ft average freeboard;
freeboard adjustment -0.1 ft)

Relative composite hull strength: 1.03

*=The Miscellaneous Weights are for the catapault, the plane, extra stores, etc..

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The Imperial Defence Bureau is very happy with these specifications and has authorised the transfer of $9 Billion to your accounts immediately.

These Dreadnoughts will be entering the Imperial Roycelandian Navy and replacing large numbers of our outdated MTBs, Frigates, and other "under-powered" vessels.

When is the first one likely to be completed? His Majesty has expressed an interest in attending the Christening Ceremony, with the Princess of Winchester also wishing to attend.

Roycelandia would also like to thank your Nation for offering us this fine service, and allowing us to update out Navy whilst remaining true to our aesthetic wishes.

[signed] Commander Jack Sword, Imperial Defence Bureau, Port Royal, Roycelandia