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Okay this is a continuation of another thread. I will deciede if you can or cannot be a specific country. (aaah power) I also reserve the right to throw you ass backwards out of this thread if you apparently suck. To avoid this I will do some research into your previous posts, if you have one in particular you want me to look at post the link.

Now, what I want to do is have everyone sign up and pick a nation state that existed in 1939. We will start the RP at Aug. 24, the day after the German soviet pact but a day before the british polish pact. (this leaves lots of room for historical ambiguity)

Now make your 'requests' to sign up

here.........

I pick Japan (It wasn't claimed in the last thread)

Can I take ..... :roll: :roll: .... Germany.

Before I sign up, I would like to know, is this historicaly accurate?

If it isn't, can I be Russia?

Damn! I wanted to be Germany or Russia.
Can I be the USA then?

I would like to be the US, if i cant be the US then Britain will do fine, but i would prefer to be the US

I'll sign up, though my attendence may be sketchy at times due to computer problems. I wouldn't playing one of the smaller and insignificant countries like Finland, Hungary, China, or France.

Can I be Japan?

Edit: Wait, you've taken it! :(

Ah, well. I'll have Yugoslavia.

I pick Japan (It wasn't claimed in the last thread)

If the guy who started he thread picked Japan, I dont think he is going to want you to be it.

I really wouldn't mind being Britain, i know a lot of the weapons, tanks etc they used in WWII. Also i know a lot of the exacted dates of the operations. Feel free to check back at my post to see if i am any good, i think i am ok.

Alright, I've narrowed down my field of choices. I'll play as France.

If it is alright, I'd like to be..... Finland, there we go. Don't hear much about them.

:( I was going to ask for Finland.

Hmm... what about... Australia or Perhaps... Ireland :twisted:

I also have a WW2 forum that I don't use for Invisionfree, if you'd like to use that account. Doing these RPs on NS is quite time consuming as the Forum continuely quits on us.

I'd be interested in participating, preferably as either Britain or Australia...

As for RP experience, if you have a look at some of the conflicts I've been involved in, you'll notice Roycelandia has a very impressive Overseas Empire without the use of Godmoding or n00bism. I'm very proud of it! :D

I guess I'll take the Italians, then, please. :D

Despite the fact I had reserved the USSR in the previous one...ok! I choose... Spain

I'd like Hungary please.

If i can I'll take Poland.

Romania or Bulgaria if possible?

Can I be Russia?

I have changed my mind. I would like to request Switzerland.

That leaves Russia open for someone else to request.

Thanks.

Would I be able to be Russia seeing as Possessed Bunnies no longer wishes to be that nation if not ill stick to my original two choices

can i be czechoslovakia?

I do believe that I cannot join, but however I would like to where this is heading.

Damn. I wanted to be Britain!
Fine. I will be a commonwealth country. I want to be, INDIA!

I would like to be Finland! In case someone dodn't know Finlands role in WWII then I will tell it briefly. In 1939 Finland was attacked by Soviet forces. The Winter War beginned. Finland's defence lasted 105 days until a peace treaty was made. The Soviets managed to conquer some of finnish soil. In 1940 Finland made a treaty with Germany and later took part in operation Barbarossa. When the Germans started losing in the war in the eastern fornt and Soviet forces once again reached finnish soil this time smashing the finnish defenses, The Soviet Union took back the land that the finns took and also all the land they had conquered during The Winter War. A peace treaty was made woth the soviets and finnish forces now had to push the 200 000 German soldiers statoned in Lapland back to Norway.

I would be a good Finland cause of the fact that I am finnish and so by know almost everything there is to know about the war on the finnish front.

I believe Fluffywuffy claimed Finland :roll:

Current Requests:

Empassioned Peoples = Japan
Mattvia = Germany
Thibaut Worship = USA
NightHawk = USA or Britain
Porlania = Yugoslavia
Possessed Bunnies = Switzerland
Busby = Britain
Skeelzania = France
Fluffywuffy = Finland
Artitsa = Australia or Ireland
Roycelandia = Britain or Australia
Monte Ozarka = Italy
The Volga = Spain
Ilwrath Vengence = Hungary
Athel Nora = Poland
Sovietia = Russia
Soviet Russiam = Czechoslovakia
JamesGilson = India
Spanland = Finland

I also have a WW2 forum that I don't use for Invisionfree, if you'd like to use that account. Doing these RPs on NS is quite time consuming as the Forum continuely quits on us.
I think this is a good idea.

Current Requests:

Empassioned Peoples = Japan
Mattvia = Germany
Thibaut Worship = USA
NightHawk = USA or Britain
Porlania = Yugoslavia
Possessed Bunnies = Switzerland
Busby = Britain
Skeelzania = France
Fluffywuffy = Finland
Artitsa = Australia or Ireland
Roycelandia = Britain or Australia
Monte Ozarka = Italy
The Volga = Spain
Ilwrath Vengence = Hungary
Athel Nora = Poland
Sovietia = Russia
Soviet Russiam = Czechoslovakia
JamesGilson = India
Spanland = Finland

I also have a WW2 forum that I don't use for Invisionfree, if you'd like to use that account. Doing these RPs on NS is quite time consuming as the Forum continuely quits on us.
I think this is a good idea.

Sorry bout the wait. I can't see any problem with any of these. As for doing the post on another board I dunno, I'm not fond of that idea but if we want to do that I'll follow consensus. Any problems so far?

Mattvia, oops, umm I'll give ya first choice of Japan if you want.

And put your vote for for moving to another board. I vote NO but I will go with majority.

as for the duplicate ppl, give me a bried synipsos of what ya know about the country in the time in question. I'll make the call

OOC:

About the board.

Pro's. Dont have to put up with NS server.

Con's. It isnt on NationStates.

I vote Against. Let it be on NS but in a new thread.

I knows this is kind a' late, but I would like to be in this! It sounds fun! I guess I can't be Vichy France prior to 1940, so I would like to play Mexico.

I have a question though: did Chzechosolvakia exist at this period? Wouldn't the Czhec part have been annexed by Germany and Slovakia would be a German puppet state, and later become annexed by Germany?

Australia in the year 1939 was a Nation largely dependent on Britain for her supplies and markets.

The population- a little over eight million- was largely rural, with some population centres in Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, and Canberra.

The Australian Armed Forces (Commonwealth Forces) were organised and equipped along British Lines, armed with the Lee-Enfield SMLE Mk III*, the Bren Mk I LMG, and the Enfield No 2 Mk I .380 revolver.

Aircraft wise, there were some antique Vildeebeests and a handful of Hawker Hurricanes and some Brewster Buffaloes, as well as some Wellington Bombers. Later on in the war, American Corsairs, Mustangs, Kittyhawks, and even the Australian-made Boomerang became available.

Prior to 1941, the Australian Armed Forces were very active in the Deserts of North Africa. However, after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour, most of the Australians were withdrawn to the pacific to help repel an invasion of Australia- eventually, the Japanese were stopped on Papua New Guinea by the Australias, with help from the US.

Do you want more info, or is this enough?

Im sure of it now, Czechoslovakia was divided in february 1939. Czechia became a part of Germanny and Slovakia became independent, but was later annexed into Germany.

Current Requests:

Empassioned Peoples = Japan
Mattvia = Germany
Thibaut Worship = USA
NightHawk = USA or Britain
Porlania = Yugoslavia
Possessed Bunnies = Switzerland
Busby = Britain
Skeelzania = France
Fluffywuffy = Finland
Artitsa = Australia or Ireland
Roycelandia = Britain or Australia
Monte Ozarka = Italy
The Volga = Spain
Ilwrath Vengence = Hungary
Athel Nora = Poland
Sovietia = Russia
Soviet Russiam = Czechoslovakia
JamesGilson = India
Spanland = Finland


Mattvia, oops, umm I'll give ya first choice of Japan if you want.

What do you mean? I never had a first choice of Japan ( I did in another thread).
I may be Turkey if you want me to, but I will have to use unreal forces there's this game which tells you this kind of thing it is: http://hearts-of-iron.wargamer.com/
About the invasion board NAY, I don't want to log on to those things. :x

I vote to stay with this forum as well.

Hungary was governed by a fascist regime under the Regent Admiral Miklos Horthy in WWII. It only alled itself with Germany and Italy both because of the anti-Bolshevism of its government and because they were the only powers that would listen to the Hungarian revisionist claims on the treaty of Versailles. It wanted the regions of Transylvania, Banat, Slovakia, Ruthenia, Croatia, and Burgenland returned from Romania, Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, and Austria.

Population: c.8 million
Army: about 150,000 men, supplied by German and Italian weapons
Air force: all antiquated WW1 planes except for a few Italian and German imports such as the CR-32 fighter.

hey can i be the chinese? The chinese were divided at this time with governmental struggles and the country had been torn by the depression and constant warfare. They're a large country and have a massive economy to back the war but the army is in disarray with constant warfare. China was aprt of the league of nations and was an active member. However china's power had rapidly decreased due to the war with japan.

hey can i be the chinese? The chinese were divided at this time with governmental struggles and the country had been torn by the depression and constant warfare. They're a large country and have a massive economy to back the war but the army is in disarray with constant warfare. China was aprt of the league of nations and was an active member. However china's power had rapidly decreased due to the war with japan.

There was three government in China at the time:
The Communists lead by Mao, who controlled a small amount of land in the middle of China.
The Nationalist Government, who controlled almost all of China.
And the kingdom of Sianking, who controlled the farthest north of China.

All of these had internal problems, and the war with Japan didn't help really...

Anyway, if someone want ot play China, then the nationalists should be the first choice.

And yes, stay in this forum.

Roycelandia also votes for retaining the NS Forums, in spite of their unreliability.

Stay in NS......i hate invisionfree boards

Perhaps I could do...

Hrm, France is taken.

Brazil? Well, we'll see if I have time or not. Things might lighten up a bit around here.

I vote to stay here!

As to what I know about Finland during this period:

Finland's economy wasn't in it's best state. Finland had just claimed independent in 1918 and had a civil war right after. The civil war led to the establishing of an army. The army's strenght had grown to over 300,000.

In september 1939 Finland's army's Marshal was Karl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim and the strength of the army was 337 000 men, 250,000 rifles, 19 300 pistols, 5000 sub machine guns, 4900 assault rifles, 2500 light machine guns, 317 000 army coats, 350 000 army pants, 219 000 winter coats, 112 000 "warm"hats, 75 000 steel helmets, 270 000 pots for making food, 65 000 ski's and 7300 military tents. There were also about 200 fighter airplanes and another 200 old tanks. The tanks were only used as turrets. The only thing that could be suplied to everyone were the pants. There were also 156 000 000 rifle bullets. Most of the weaponry was made in Finland exept for the tanks which were french and the fighters which were english mostly.

The Soviets amount of troops was unknown, though what was known was that only from Karjalan kangas there were 600 000 men attacking. The Soviets had some 2000 plains(including bombers) and some 2000 modern tanks.

The existing army could be send to fighting rather quiqly and still goodly suplied, but the volunteers and reserves could only be suplied with a rifle and ammunition. The clothes were home made and some even had to take their own rifles from home. This modle of having only your own stuff was called "The Cajander model" named after the finnish prime minister. The "Cajander model" Didn't affect the effectivenes of the soldiers at all.

During the Winter War the finns also captured a lot of Soviet equipment.

The Winter War ended on 1940 ,after lasting 105 days, to a peace treaty with the Soviets. The Soviets were allowed to keep the land they had captured, but the finns had shown that a smaller nation could also repel against a lot larger nation.

Would you like me to tell about the Contiunation War too?

I know it s a bit late to ask but iv only just found the thread.
I would like to be Britain or Russia. The second world war is sorta a hobbie for me i know the weapons used the politics before the war and the tactics used on both sides. As iv said i know itys late to ask but im a keen Rper and i know alot about this period. anyway get back to me either way.

May I respectfully suggest learning to spell correctly, or at least engaging the services of a Spell Checking program first?

Hmm, well for the purposes of expediency we are starting. Sorry about you double post guys but here goes

Now, Muggles and Animals. I don’t want a spoiler for your RP but the other buddy was right china has massive cohesion problems right now. Are you going to RP all the sides in China or just one? I have to admit I am slightly biased on the matter (though I will attempt to refrain from it and anyone is welcome to tell me if I am) being Japan and all.

As for Linthopia, sure Mexico is all yours bud. Everyone who has claimed a country not claimed go for it. From this point on its first come fist serve.

Now if you’ll notice the thread name changed and take head of it. I’ll be very POed if you start cluttering the IC thread with OOC now.

P.S. no you can't be chechoslavkia(crazy spelling that I spell so bad my spell checker hates me and doesn't know what I want.) It was annexed in March of the year we are starting in (its aug)

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3132395#3132395

A short post but most of the action takes place in Europe for the first bit

EP, before we start, can we have a complete whos who list. Either here or in the IC thread.

Roycelandia Australia
Ilwrath Vengeance Hungary
Spanland Finland
Mattvia Germany
Possessed Bunnies Switzerland (This should be interesting. Gonna stay neutral or save france's ass?)
Thibault Worship USA
NightHawk Britain
Skeelzania France
Porlania Yugoslavia
Busby sorry someone beat ya to britain
Fluffywuffy Finland
Artitsa Ireland (The crazy smiley made the decison)
Monte Ozarka Italians
The Volga Spain
Ilwrath Vengeance Hungary
Athel Nora Poland
Sovietia USSR
Soviet Russiam (czechoslovakia no at the time it has been annexed)
JamesGilson INDIA (I'll be interested to see if you include Ghandi's anti war movement)
Spanland (You may be good but I've already given it away sorry)
Linthopia Mexico (and I thought Czechoslovakia wasn't annexed 'fully' until march but k)
Muggles and Animals (If you realize that you are a very very very fragmented country sure.)
Tahar Joblis Brazil
Easy green (both picked choose another)
Empassioned Peoples Japan

Someone give a shout if they have a problem with it but that's the list as it stands

nvm

nvm

wow it's been up one day and there is already an OOC post in the IC thread.

As for the Japanese knowledge of the pact I made an assumption that Japan had to pick up the knowledge somewhere as the Prime Minister reseigned over it. Give me a bit I'll do a bit more research.

and no anly 1/2 of it was secert http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/1939pact.html

The part about non agression was published but not the part about diving up Eurpe as a fall back plan.

The non agression part is all that was needed to void the treaty with Japan

hehehe the counter says I posted them simeltanously

You think I would sat neutral? I have plans.

Anyway, I feel a map would be nice?

Lastly, can someone explain Secret IC ?

Then I will post.

Since this is a "What if" than that means that we don't have to go by the history books right?

oh well, some numbers (everything is only more or less):
Territory: 389 000 square km.
length of borders:land, 5 400 km, sea 150 km
border with germany: 2 000 km
USSR: 1 500 km
Population: 35 million (30% are minorities)

Polish standing Army proir to 1939: (+/-) 18 800 officers, 255 000 other ranks.
Reserves: 3 000 000
Artillary: 4 500
Tanks: 800
Airforce: 500
Navy: 4 destroyers, 5 submarines, 7 "mine" ships (dont know haw to translate it, ships that set up mine "fields") a number of torpedo ships.

Noteworthy Weaponry:
Anti-Tank rifle "Urugwaj": produced from 1935, in 1939 about 4000 were in use. At 100 meters punched through 33 mm of armor with ease (most tanks at the time had even thinner armor)
46 mm grenade launcher: range 100-800 meters, 15 rounds a minute, about 4000 in use.
81 mm mortar: max range 1500 meters. Germans later coppied it in producing their own type of mortar. About 1500 in use.
7-TP: Produced from 135, 150 in service at 1939,
Crew: 3
max. armor: 20 mm
armants: 37 mm Bosfor anti-tank gun, 7.92 mm Browning (model 1930) machine gun
wieght: 9 tonnes
length: 4.8 m
width: 2.5 m
hieght: 2.3 m
engine/strength of engine: Saurer Diesel VBLDb/ 110 Horsepower
Max. speed: 37 km/h
In 1939 this tank was a germans nightmare, Panzer I and II and no chance against it, Panzer III and Czech produced tanks could fight with it as an equal. At the time the only tanks better were the Soviet T-34/73, KW 1/2 and the german experimental Panzer IV. The tanks captured were later used by germanies allies.
PZL-P 11c: Main polish fighter at the time, weaker armor than german fighters was made up with much larger manuvrability.
PZL 23b - Karas: Tactical bomber, 130 produced (don't know much else about it except the germans based the Stukas dive bomber on it)
PZL 37b Los: 100 produced. Succesful strategic bomber. imilar to the german He 111, but hievier armored and with a bigger bomb load.
PZL P-24F: prototype very few were produced but it was copied by Hungary and Romania and used with great succes against the USSR.
All of the above planes that were captured were used by germanies allies later in the war.
37 mm Bosfor anti-tank gun: 1200 produced
wieght: 380 kg
rate of fire: 10 rounds/min.
max. range: 7 500 km
at 500 meters punched through 30 mm of armor.
This caliber was basic for AT guns and was stoped bieng used only after Barbarossa and the germans meeting modern soviet tanks.
40 mm bosfor AA gun:
max range (upwards) 1 km
a number of these guns were also used by the British military. in an emergency they could be used as AT guns.

ehhh, exhausting work...

I'm a little confused? You put he list and it says:
Spanland Finland

Then later you put that I cant be Finland and it's already taken...You're not confusing me with me...are you?

good point guys ive decided i would like to be manchuko and take over from Pu Yi i am an ally of the japanese government so basically i am a puppet nation but i am also neutral at the moment.

Do we nesesarily have to be nations, or can we be high ranking personel in certain nations militarys?

If you have to be a nation, I'll go towards....Mexico. Assuming it's not taken, which I don't think it is.

Do we nesesarily have to be nations, or can we be high ranking personel in certain nations militarys?

If you have to be a nation, I'll go towards....Mexico. Assuming it's not taken, which I don't think it is.
it is taken sorry :?

I'm a little confused? You put he list and it says:
Spanland Finland

Then later you put that I cant be Finland and it's already taken...You're not confusing me with me...are you?

umm, yes actually I was lol, sorry. I saw you ask for finland and then give info for finland, which I asked for. My bad. You are finland.


good point guys ive decided i would like to be manchuko and take over from Pu Yi i am an ally of the japanese government so basically i am a puppet nation but i am also neutral at the moment.

first of all it's bad etiqute in an invite RP to post before you are confirmed as that country.

As for being that country be aware that you can be it but the Japanese government did have figures in that country to make sure that it didn't go anywhere. It was at most a protectorate and as such I make your foreign policy desicons (as Japan). In terms of RP I will toss you bones like the production of certain things, asking for drafts etc. but you are a piece of my empire for all intents and purposes. If you are not comfortable with this erase your post and pick again, it's my thread.


Do we nesesarily have to be nations, or can we be high ranking personel in certain nations militarys?

If you have to be a nation, I'll go towards....Mexico. Assuming it's not taken, which I don't think it is.

With the permission of the person RPing that country sure you can RP an underling. As for Mexico sorry taken.

You think I would sat neutral? I have plans.

Anyway, I feel a map would be nice?

Lastly, can someone explain Secret IC ?

Then I will post.

Secret IC means that it is a message to whoever is specified and measures have been taken to encrypt it.

Note to ppl doing secert msgs though when the shooting starts state that your codes can be broken if your are being observed (Americans cracking Japanese codes is a good example of historical context.)

Note to ppl 'cracking' the code, you have to have RPed setting up listening on them prior to cracking the code. Some exceptions that 'might' be considered would be the americans on me or the british (possibly french I dunno what their secret service was like) on the germans. But to be nice and clear and thoughtful in advance I'd like to see codecrackers make a post before hand (also taking into account the it takes awhile to crack a code).

WHAT!!! Who the hell is this guy who's taken Croatia?

WHAT!!! Who the hell is this guy who's taken Croatia?

athe jerk with no concept of etiqutte as far as I can tell.

Muggles and Animals if your still interested in RPing China (and assuming the USSR says yes) you could RP the newly formed independant China. Most of your RP would be stamping out remaining Nationalists but you'd have the backing of the soviet and japanese millatary. Not to mention depending on what happens to france you'd have a weakened colony next to you up for grabs.

Since no-one is RPing New Zealand or Dutch East India (Now Indonesia), is anyone going to have any problems if I incorporate NZ into Australia's posts, and annex DEI in the interests of "Security'?

Since no-one is RPing New Zealand or Dutch East India (Now Indonesia), is anyone going to have any problems if I incorporate NZ into Australia's posts, and annex DEI in the interests of "Security'?

hmmmm I suppose I can't talk since I'm diving up china with russia. NZ there's no problem at all. As for the Indies if you can explain why they are choosing you as opposed to their as yet still intact homeland shoot.

But it might be easier for you to pick them up after Germany disembowels Holland

secret IC: Message to the Japanese government: We would like to conduct an invasion of China , but first we would like to ask your permission. We have decided to strike Taiwan in response to the soviets refusal of your military peace. Our newly made navy is small but will work as hard as possible to fight in your honour!

ooc: Your surronded by Japanese controlled China (except the for the occasioanly exception.) And that was a secret message sent from the highest levels of Japan to the highest levels of the USSR. If you want to have knowledge of it you would have to RP out how you got it.

Ireland still wishes for those weapons germany...

Germany doesn't seem to be posting.

sorry I did not post itearlier may I please play as croatia. My apologies.

Fair enough... I'll assume control of NZ as well. They had no real political role in WWII, but did have some excellent and well-trained troops.

A small suggestion, if I may? Perhaps we could fast-forward to the Invasion of Poland and get the shooting war started?

Judging from some of the posts in the IC thread, Political RP seems to be of little interest to most of the people here...

Okay we need a nw Germany any takers or do I need to make a new thread asking for someone?



Fair enough... I'll assume control of NZ as well. They had no real political role in WWII, but did have some excellent and well-trained troops.

A small suggestion, if I may? Perhaps we could fast-forward to the Invasion of Poland and get the shooting war started?

Judging from some of the posts in the IC thread, Political RP seems to be of little interest to most of the people here...

What makes you say that about political RPing?

I'm not going to fastforward anyone as I don't want to be arbitrary. (And because Germany isn't here) As yet I'm kinda waiting to see the soviet and american response before I go hog wild on blowing shit up.

sorry I did not post itearlier may I please play as croatia. My apologies.

You need to define what you mean by 'Croatia'

You need to allow the ppl your marching into some time to react on posts.

You also need to remove those to posts and start over as people were under instructions to ignore you and they may have acted differently if they were not ignoring you. (Just edit them to something internal or to not at all.)

But apon doing that I see no problems

Croatia doesn't exist prior to 1940, and after the war, as Yugoslavia reforms, it loses its independence and regtains it in 1990, when Yugoslavia collapses.
So, no, you can not play Croatia yet, unless we would break the historical timeline.

EDIT: I would like to take Germany's place, instaed of playing Mexico, it that's alright.

Croatia doesn't exist prior to 1940, and after the war, as Yugoslavia reforms, it loses its independence and regtains it in 1990, when Yugoslavia collapses.
So, no, you can not play Croatia yet, unless we would break the historical timeline.

EDIT: I would like to take Germany's place, instaed of playing Mexico, it that's alright.

Shoot

Alright we are good to go we have a germany. You've definately got some catchup posting to do but thanks for jumping in.

I think that if you were playing the Croatian speratists that might be fine, although it makes no sense in contexts of your posts.

hmmmmm give me some background as to what you know about the kingdom of the serbs, croats and Slovenes as well as the Croats themselves. I dunno I figure it's only fair as there seems to be some confusion.

No props.

Iäve had som internet problems lately, but it seems to be running smoothly right now. Please note, however, that the problems may return and make me unable to acces the internet again.

Just a warning, so you know what has happened if I haven't posted in a while.

No props.

Iäve had som internet problems lately, but it seems to be running smoothly right now. Please note, however, that the problems may return and make me unable to acces the internet again.

Just a warning, so you know what has happened if I haven't posted in a while.


Not a problem. If there is a break I'll probably TG you and such. If you don't respond to that then I'll assume your a jerk, jk :D . Nah if you don't respond forawhile we will hold up for you a bit.

I've just been away, for a few days, I am still Germany, and weapons what weapons? 8)

Well... I kinda made a post for Germany in the IC-thread... :/

Ireland is interested in aquiring weapons from you, and you may use Irish Ports.

Well... Empassioned peoples, what happens now? Who is really gonna' play Germany?

aww crap..... hmm

I really don't know what to do here.

Mattivia your response telegram looked like it was typed in a different language, which admitedly may be my fault as I have been having troubles with my browser.

I apologize that I gave away germany however you had not made a post and as such I didn't see much harm as you were not invested in it.

hmmm is there another nation you'd be interested in? I'm not willing to let my unfairness to you be repeated by taking away Germany from Linthopia.

Sorry again please tell me what I can do to make ammends.

secret ic: To Japanese Government: We have decided that you are right and we are now only goiing to attack when you tell u to. As of now we are going on a massive recruitment drive for new recruits, and also we are building up our military navy. airforce and armoured divisions.
Thank You

Umm, to what are you refering to here? I asked about your attacking oocly and you responded icly.

As for independence you more than welcome to shoot for it since you boats have Japanese officers and your country has japanese troops. But I don't know about you message IC....

I was wondering may I be a Field Marshall to Germany or Russia, if not ill take Romania.

Manchuku... How can you have a navy? You don't have a coastline!

Would someone mind summing up what's happened so far IC?

Oh, and is Spain taken?

secret ic: To Japanese Government: We have decided that you are right and we are now only goiing to attack when you tell u to. As of now we are going on a massive recruitment drive for new recruits, and also we are building up our military navy. airforce and armoured divisions.
Thank You

Umm, to what are you refering to here? I asked about your attacking oocly and you responded icly.

As for independence you more than welcome to shoot for it since you boats have Japanese officers and your country has japanese troops. But I don't know about you message IC....
soz, lol
:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Manchuku... How can you have a navy? You don't have a coastline!

Once again, I forgot to log back into Skeelzania. Oh well.

Manchuko, now known as Manchuria, has a very large coast line. In case you do not know where Manchuko/Manchuria is, it is the large northeastern portion of China above Korea, that kind of sticks out oddly from the rest of the country.

I know very well where Manchuku is (I'm a guru at geography), but Manchuku had no coastline in 1939.

In the West, Russia blocked the way. In the South, Japanese Korea and Russia blocked the way. The would-be Manchuku-coastline that lies between Korea and China (I can't really explain it better, since English isn't my native language) was Japanese at this time, since Japan had taken it for themselves. Therefore, you don't have any coastline, and can't have any navy!

The following screenshot is from the game Hearts of Iron, which is a great surce for fun and knowledge (worthless or otherwise) of the second world war.

http://svartakrabban.1go.dk/manchuku.jpg

The light green is Manchuku as of 1939. The dark green is the claims that Manchuku had on Japan. Now, the provinces in the game aren't comparable to the real world, but still, it can be seen that Manchuku in fact did not have any coast at the time. These provinces were ceded to Manchuku later. Talk to Japan about it.

Umm, well the guy can be Germany. Can I be the Baltic states, we could say they all joined together or I'll just be Latvia.


OOC: Hearts of Iron ROCKS!

OOC: Hearts of Iron ROCKS!

Hell, yeah!

I feel like link whoring... so:

http://svartakrabban.1go.dk/hoi.jpg <-- What happens when I play Germany in HoI.

Hearts of Iron indeed rocks with C.O.R.E mod :D.

and im still waiting on this.

I was wondering may I be a Field Marshall to Germany or Russia, if not ill take Romania.

I vote to stay here!

As to what I know about Finland during this period:

Finland's economy wasn't in it's best state. Finland had just claimed independent in 1918 and had a civil war right after. The civil war led to the establishing of an army. The army's strenght had grown to over 300,000.

In september 1939 Finland's army's Marshal was Karl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim and the strength of the army was 337 000 men, 250,000 rifles, 19 300 pistols, 5000 sub machine guns, 4900 assault rifles, 2500 light machine guns, 317 000 army coats, 350 000 army pants, 219 000 winter coats, 112 000 "warm"hats, 75 000 steel helmets, 270 000 pots for making food, 65 000 ski's and 7300 military tents. There were also about 200 fighter airplanes and another 200 old tanks. The tanks were only used as turrets. The only thing that could be suplied to everyone were the pants. There were also 156 000 000 rifle bullets. Most of the weaponry was made in Finland exept for the tanks which were french and the fighters which were english mostly.

The Soviets amount of troops was unknown, though what was known was that only from Karjalan kangas there were 600 000 men attacking. The Soviets had some 2000 plains(including bombers) and some 2000 modern tanks.

The existing army could be send to fighting rather quiqly and still goodly suplied, but the volunteers and reserves could only be suplied with a rifle and ammunition. The clothes were home made and some even had to take their own rifles from home. This modle of having only your own stuff was called "The Cajander model" named after the finnish prime minister. The "Cajander model" Didn't affect the effectivenes of the soldiers at all.

During the Winter War the finns also captured a lot of Soviet equipment.

The Winter War ended on 1940 ,after lasting 105 days, to a peace treaty with the Soviets. The Soviets were allowed to keep the land they had captured, but the finns had shown that a smaller nation could also repel against a lot larger nation.

Would you like me to tell about the Contiunation War too?

Finland used 30 examples of the Vickers Armstrong 6 ton tank and 4 Carden LLoyd M1933's. No French tanks.
The Vickers Armstrong 6 tons had German Optics, a 37 psvk 36 (a Finnish 37mm AT gun), one MG and one Suomi 9mm SMG.
The Russian T26 is very similar to this vehicle, and after the war they wer al renamed T26, the finns ised captured tanks and material to keep their armored forces running. After the Winter war a number of BA-3, BA-6, BA-10 and BA-20(all captured) wer also used.

From allies Finland received:(list is long)
Material from Belgium during the war...
- 700 - automatic rifles and 10,000 bullets
- 2,456 - 9mm pistols and 11,000,000 bullets
- 5,000 - 7.65mm pistols and 1,080,000 bullets

Italy
during the war...
35 - 45cm torpedoes
- 150 - mines
- 20 - tractors
- 100 - 81mm mortars and 75,000 rounds
- 12 - 76mm anti-aircraft cannon and 24,000 rounds
- 48 - 20mm anti-aircraft cannon and 384,000 rounds
- 12 - 47mm anti-panzer cannon and 25,000 rounds
- 6,000 - pistols
- 176 - flame-throwers (Only 28 received, 148 remained in Norway)
- 35 - Fiat aircraft (Only 17 received, February 27, 1940)
- 150 - volunteers, including one fighter pilot who was killed
- 100,000 - rifles and 50,000,000 bullets

Just prior to the war... from Germany
30 - 20mm anti-aircraft cannon and 100,000 rounds

Material from Hungary
during the war...
40 - 40mm anti-aircraft cannon and 10,000 rounds
30 - 8mm anti-panzer rifles
300,000 - hand grenades
32,500 - rounds for 81mm mortars
20,000 - rounds for 20mm anti-aircraft cannon
6,000 - rounds for 37mm anti-panzer cannon
450 - volunteers

Material from Norway
during the war...
50,000 - pairs of shoes
100,000 - rucksacks (50,000 as a gift)
16,000 - blankets
200,000 - kilos of sheetmetal, cannon harness, saddles, etc
800 - volunteers
12 - 75mm field cannon and 7,166 rounds

during the war... from Denmark
178 - 20mm Madsen anti-aircraft cannon (bullets ordered from England)
2 - volunteer fighter pilots (both were killed)
rucksacks, preserves etc.
800 - volunteers

Material from USA during the war...
44 -Brewster aircraft (Only a few received during the war)
32 - 203mm Howitzers (Arrived in Norway after the war)
200 - 75mm field cannon
350 - volunteers (Arrived two days before the war ended)

Material from England during the war...
20 - torpedoes
450 - mines
12 - 152mm mobile naval guns
25 - 114mm howitzers and 25,000 rounds
24 - 76mm anti-aircraft cannon, and 72,000 rounds
18 - 40mm anti-aircraft cannon and 36,000 rounds
24 - 13mm anti-aircraft cannon and 72,000 rounds
200 - 14mm anti-panzer rifles
28 - tractors
20,000,000 - rifle bullets
10,000,000 - pistol bullets
40,000 - hand grenades
50,000 - "sympathy" uniforms bombs, field kitchens, tents, communication equipment, etc.
The 50,000 "sympathy" uniforms from the British could not be used in combat because of their similarity to the brown uniforms of the Russians. They were, however, greatly appreciated.
33 - Gloster Gladiator aircraft
12 - Hurricane aircraft
17 - Lysander reconnaissance aircraft
24 - Blenheim bomber aircraft
230 - volunteers
4 - torpedo boats (Not received)
30 - 84mm field cannon

Material from Union of South Africa during the war...
25 - Gloster Gladiator aircraft (gift)


Material from France during the war...
12 - 155mm howitzers and 12,000 rounds
12 - 105mm field cannon and 54,000 rounds
100 - 81mm mortars and 200,000 rounds
40 - 25mm anti-panzer cannon and 25,000 rounds
150 - radios
5,000 - automatic rifles and 11,000,000 bullets
20,000 - hand grenades
12 - tractors
136 - old vintage cannon and 300,500 rounds
76 - Moran and Kolhoven fighter aircraft
36 - 75-mm field cannon and 50,000 rounds (Only 12 received)
10 - 47mm anti-panzer cannon and 5,000 rounds (Not received

From Sweden
January 1940 8 - 75mm field cannon
February1940 48 - 75mm field cannon and 27,000 rounds
during the war... 12 - 150mm howitzers and 4000 rounds
4 - 210mm howitzers and 400 rounds
9 - 175mm anti-aircraft cannon
76 - 40mm anti-aircraft cannon and 144,000 rounds
18 - 37mm anti-panzer cannon, 45,000 rounds
100 machine guns
77,000 rifles and 17,000,000 bullets
8 - training aircraft
8 - bomber aircraft (old models)
12 - Gladiator aircraft (all to Swedish volunteers)
8,000 volunteers

Umm, well the guy can be Germany. Can I be the Baltic states, we could say they all joined together or I'll just be Latvia.


OOC: Hearts of Iron ROCKS!

Baltic states please specifiy? (I'm kinda inclined to give you what ever you ask for because of my boo boo)

Hearts of Iron indeed rocks with C.O.R.E mod :D.

and im still waiting on this.

I was wondering may I be a Field Marshall to Germany or Russia, if not ill take Romania.

You'll have to ask Russia or Germany. It's their call because it means an element of randomness to their battles. For example, I let muggles and animals be a Japanese client state, and now (IC anyway) unbeknownst to me he's trying to assert his independance.

Ah ok I will take Romania then. If that is ok with you.

Ah ok I will take Romania then. If that is ok with you.

Let me see what Mattivia posts before I deicide k?

To China: We would like to discuss the future of the Jehol province it has a Manchukian race and so we would like it to be given to either us or Japan if no deal can be met i will involve Japan!

Is this to independant China or "The New Empire of China"

And,.... wow,.... you flop like a salmon on a river bank no offense.

OFF: I'm going away for a day or two this weekend. I wont be able to post during this time.

And: I'm not sure, but I don't think Manchuku has a Mongolian border.

I don't think it does etheir but I control the area so he has free passage

Muggles, I gave you back your troops.... It says so in the post. And you can't have that part of China it is Japanese controlled, you have to ask me and you haven't yet.

Ah ok I will take Romania then. If that is ok with you.

Let me see what Mattivia posts before I deicide k?

If Mattivia hasn't posted anything by noon tommorrow (atlantic standard time giving 24 hours from this post) They are all yours.

Ah ok I will take Romania then. If that is ok with you.

Let me see what Mattvia posts before I decide k?

If Mattvia hasn't posted anything by noon tomorrow (Atlantic standard time giving 24 hours from this post) They are all yours.

Hello, what are you talking about, I'm the Baltic states/Latvia. What have I got to do with it.
Also can I go on the IC thread? 8)

Okay me idiot (not really just need more sleep)

Mattivia is the unclaimed baltic states and Fourth Reich SS is Romania. right any objections? No? good.

Post away in the IC thread boys