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The island nation of Praetonia has recently recieved threats from various nations, and so is about to embark on the largest project since our Post-Civil War rebuilding program (http://www.freewebs.com/praetonia):

Operation Underlord

This will involve the fortification of beaches with artillery and anti-ship missile batteries, dug deep into rock. We will also be constructing auto-mated SAM enplacements along the coast to protect from air-attack.

Tunnels will be dug deep into the mountains surrounding the Capitol, Praeton (see website), in order to shelter Government Officials, soldiers and small percent of the populus in event of Nuclear attack.

This is coninsiding with our military re-devolment program, which has already replaced our anachronistic military with a small yet highly trained professional ground defence Corp.

We are taking contracts for missile emplacements (300 are expected to be need) and artillery emplacements.

This program is expected to cost a large amount and take several years due to our relatively small military budget and the overall complexity of the project. We want to keep this as low-maintenance and as low-staff dependacy as possible, to reduce running costs.

Nice. Perhaps when you are finished, you could help with my coastal defenses? (OOC: They deliberately hidden, even if that means a reduction in ability to fight massive attacks, as they are designed to fight a guerilla war.
I want to keep them that way. My nation, as I have said, is a large collection of small isles, most of which are fairly flat and indefensible, which is why I tend not to attempt a standard defense.)

G&C has a known history of coastal defensive building.
Anything you need, just ask.

The Dominion could design and construct a series of 410mm/L60 naval gun emplacements guarding the primary amphibious warfare approaches and harbours of your nation. As well, we could hollow out hills at strategic points along your coast, and use them to house camouflaged batteries of Strike Surge Anti-Shipping Missiles. While the 410mm guns provide a powerful detterant to enemy ships, if an aggressor lays alongside your coast within cruise missile range, they may not be able to hit it. If a target is within cruise missile range of your coast, it is within Strike Surge missiles, thus providing a superior defence than simple cannons.

I can provide you with some aircover, flak cannons, Machine gun nests, and battleships for sea-borne arty.

Thankyou all for your comments and offers of help.

Jordaxia, yes of course we shall help you, it may take a while to finish our project though.

G&C we cant accept your help for the same reason we cant sell you tanks - you dirty bombed IMF.

Kotterdam, that would be VERY usefull, how much are you willing to sell them for? We will get our surveyors to see how many we need and find some suitable sites.

Crazed Marines, yes that would also be useful, we are interested in the Aircover in particular as well as the close-in machinegun nests in case they reach the shore. Battleships are bit much for our current defence budget unfortunately.

Thankyou all for your comments and offers of help.

Jordaxia, yes of course we shall help you, it may take a while to finish our project though.

G&C we cant accept your help for the same reason we cant sell you tanks - you dirty bombed IMF.

Kotterdam, that would be VERY usefull, how much are you willing to sell them for? We will get our surveyors to see how many we need and find some suitable sites.

Crazed Marines, yes that would also be useful, we are interested in the Aircover in particular as well as the close-in machinegun nests in case they reach the shore. Battleships are bit much for our current defence budget unfortunately.

How about a few Avenger ABM/AA systems?

oops... forgot the link: http://s6.invisionfree.com/International_Mall/index.php?showforum=43

We will purchase 675 now for our armed forces, and we will place our order for emplaced avenger systems when we are sure how many we will need. What is the range of their missiles?

We will purchase 675 now for our armed forces, and we will place our order for emplaced avenger systems when we are sure how many we will need. What is the range of their missiles?

The price of the coastal defences will depend on what you are able to pay, but as a baseline, I would suggest $10 Billion USD, plus permission for my navy to use your ports to resupply, and to take shore leave in your nation. We would, of course, pay for the supplies our navy would use. Additionally, the Dominion would like to request permission to permanently station an Air Force fighter wing within your borders, both for your own defence, and to provide a forward base should Dominion interests in the area be threatened.

To add to the growing mass of proposed help for your coastal defenses the Imperial States of Hamanistan would like to offer to design any parts of your coastal defence. From pill boxes, to a section of shoreline defences we will be glad to design it for you.

As you have stated that your budget is slim, we will create these designs for anywhere from 10,000USD to 1,000,000 USD. If you are interested I will send you some samples of our designs.

We will give you 500 Avenger systems in exchange for allowing us to keep a base near the coast to help maintain the systems and resupply any of our ships. The other 175 will cost you a total of $47250 USD. Order en route upon confirmation.

Thankyou all for your help, Kotterdam we can accept your offer, however we will not be able to pay it off for a few years yet (construction has not actually started anyway). On the note of the base, we agree but must insist on a joint garrison.

Hamanistan, send us some samples and we will consider your proposal.

Crazed Marines we can accept that offer, but we must insist that no more than 10 destroyers are stationed there at a time and no more than 1 carrier.

Praetonia. All we want is a 20 tanks and in exchange we will send you engineers, money, weaponry (except AA's cant afford those yet).
To be honest the people of the Republic of G&C find your attitude very unwelcoming especially when we offer to send you aid.
We have abandoned our terrorist policies and have made efforts to re-enter the diplomatic circuit. So do not insult our intelligence.

Those are acceptable terms, we shall start the delivery of the Avengers and you will receive them all by the 7th (3 NS years).

OCC: It seems as if I have deleted the designs from my computer and will have to create new ones. If you want to wait then I will try and get them as fast as possible. If not then I will not be hurt in any way.

Praetonia. All we want is a 20 tanks and in exchange we will send you engineers, money, weaponry (except AA's cant afford those yet).
To be honest the people of the Republic of G&C find your attitude very unwelcoming especially when we offer to send you aid.
We have abandoned our terrorist policies and have made efforts to re-enter the diplomatic circuit. So do not insult our intelligence.

Now that you are no longer a terrorist nation we will lift our trade sanctions against you. We would gladl accpet your offer, we will ship 20 of our latest Scimitar tanks to your country immediately.

Do not worry about paying us back, Praetonia. The Dominion of Kotterdam officially extends a line of credit to Praetonia to cover the cost of constructing the gun batteries and missile emplacements. You shall pay no interest on this credit, and there shall be no time limit on repayment. Until you can afford it, your money is no good with us.

If you are interested in purchasing some aircraft we recommend the GA EAGLE http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3128981#3128981

It is a great multirole aircraft and can take down practically anything both in the sky and on the ground. The large weapons load (9500kg or 21,000lbs :shock: ) and long range (3,300km or 2060nm) are great for a defensive role.

The aircraft are also very cheap and easy to run. In war conditions an Eagle would be around 24% cheaper to run and be able to run 10% more missions than other comparable aircraft.

If you do decide on an order we will give you a discount and sell the planes at 25million per plane.

Thnakyou everyone for your help (esspecially Kotterdam for an interest free loan). General Avionics, we are very interested in your aircraft design and will most likely purchase some when we have enough money. One question: Can they be launched from carriers and carry anti-ship missiles?

If it is not one request too many, the Commonwealth should also like consulting on fortifying coastal defenses - In the days to come, Secular Party officials are eagerly petitioning both Kotterdam and Praetonia for aid and consultants to aid in this endavour.

Although we have not yet started construction, once we have finished we would be willing to help you for the appropriate price.

Thnakyou everyone for your help (esspecially Kotterdam for an interest free loan). General Avionics, we are very interested in your aircraft design and will most likely purchase some when we have enough money. One question: Can they be launched from carriers and carry anti-ship missiles?

Unfortunatly in standard form the Eagel cannot be catapulted from a carrier, But with a modifications to the front wheel assembly and changing the parachute to a tail hook there is no reason that it couldn't be, These modification would need to be installed by yourself as we do not have the facilities for such modification on a small scale (If you can get an order of 50aircraft together, a new carrier variant can be made with mininal cost, other countries can be interest so ask around).

The ship can carry and fire Anti-Ship missiles. In Ground mode the radar will select and track all land and sea targets.

In conclusion
*No the standard Eagel cannot be catapulted from a carrier or land on one.
*If you and other nations want a total of alteast 50 aircraft and Carrier based variant can be made up.
*Yes the Eagle can carry and launch anti-ship weapons.

African Commonwealth: The Dominion is always happy to help its friends. We can help you in the construction of the same 410mm/L60 gun batteries and Strike Surge launchers we offered the Praetonians, as well as other measures to match your particular needs.

Praetonia: We of the Dominion offer a wide selection of aircraft ranging from land-based Advanced Tactical Fighters and maritime patrol craft to carrier-borne strike aircraft capable of carrying anti-shipping missiles. Unfortunately, the Strike Surge missile intended for use in your coastal defences is roughly the size of a Tomahawk cruise missile, and thus not suitable for airborne launch. There are, however, many alternatives.

All of the Avengers have arrived. We are putting them in place as we speak and double-armoring the sea-facing sides. 50 FREE machine gun nests (hidden) have been installed as a act of generosity. We would like repeat buisness in the future from you.

We thank Crazed Marines for their acts of generosity. If you want to buy anything from us (http://www.freewebs.com/praetonia/ministryofdefense.htm and scroll to the bottom) we will give you a considerable discount.

This may be a bit late, but Phoenixius wishes to offer their services to Praetonia. We have recently finished the construction of UDeN (Unforgiven Defence Network) with only our GPS replacement system to be installed, and can offer to build our MiDIS in your nation.
Missile Defence Initiative System – This system uses a multitude of defence silos around the protected nation/compound. These defence silos use a variety of missiles and lasers to destroy missiles in flight, before they can reach their intended destination.

The rough cost of this would probably be around $5bil, and like Kotterdam (who resides in the Unforgiven) we would be willing to offer a line of credit with no interest and no time limit.

I see. That is very interesting, a strategic missile shield is the only missing link so far so we will accept your offer. Construction will fully commence (on everything) in 3RL days, and construction will be completed in 10RL days. All money will be paid back in 15RL days.

Praetonia, Are you still interested in purchasing the some GA EAGLES?

We can lower the price to 25million each and even give you an interest-free loan if you require.

The total cost of all this will be:

Missile Shield - 5,000,000,000

Missile and Gun Emplacements - 10,000,000,000

Avenger Anti-Air Systems - 47,250 (approx) + Naval Base in our waters

The cost of the missiles is negligable thanks to the naval base agreement and has already been paid. The 15,000,000 will take us 15RL days to pay off. these are both interest free I believe, if not then tell me.

We would then like to purchase:

50 Carrier Based Eagles. I know that it is right on the borderline of you being able to do it, but if this deal can be agreed then we will give you a contract to equip all of our future carrier fighter/bomber wings with carrier based Eagles. 1,250,000,000 This will be paid off in 16RL days, (ie it will take one RL day to pay off but we cant pay it off until the cost of the defences is paid)

We will then build all machinegun emplacements, light artillery etc ourselves at a later date (except the ones that Crazed Marines gave us, which are already in place). Is that agreed with everyone?

Agreed. The construction crews will be with you by the start of the deadline.

Praetonia: We will begin work on the carrier based Eagle right away. Any developments in the program will be passed onto you directly. (Please give 2days RL to build the craft)

Good news, getting the Eagle carrier capable was easier than first expected and work has already finished.

The naval version of the eagle is the (C) variant and shares all the advanatges with the (B) variant. These are new more fuel efficient engines, 400KM (240NM) increase in Max range , 290Km (180NM) increase in normal mission range , 5% reduction in IR signature and Added FADAC control. The (C) variant is the only variant that can land and take-off from carriers with it's catapult front wheels and added tail hook.

Your 50 (C) variant will be send to you ASAP.

Thankyou, General Aviation LDT. We will certainly be using your company in the future.

Well, here's something to think about. Patton once said, "Fixed fortifications are a monument to the stupidity of man. If anything by nature can be overcome, than anything built by man can be overcome."

Therefore, I am offering you one free George W. Bush class batleship and a long-term lease-to-buy offer on others. Here is a link for the stats:
http://s6.invisionfree.com/International_Mall/index.php?showtopic=372

This IS the next coming of the battleship.

It seems very cheap for what you get, and is Quatrarium Modern tech?

Otherwise it looks very good. We may be interested in purchasing more if they can be equipped with missiles also. However, it may not be possible as our budget is not huge.

Well, it was designed for 20 and 40 mm airburst AA guns, but in their place, you can mount missile racks in their place.

Quatranium is modern-tech, but it is VERY futuristic. It is a by product of melting and mixing steel, bismuth, depleted uranium, and titanium. It is very cheap to make the metal, which is very durable due to the combination, but is copyrighted by my nation. I hopee you like the field tests of the battleship. TG me if you want a few more.
1 bullet (my currency)= 1USD


All services and goods delivered.

The Kotterdamian offer to aid us in the 410mm gun/strike surge launcher combination is heartily accepted.

If Kotterdam has any other coastal defensive measures they would assist us with, we'll accept eagerly. Our overall coastal defensive performance has shown itself to be exceedingly poor.

The Dominion will outline its plans for the African Commonwealth Coastal Defense Initiative here (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3163678), as well as accepting subcontractors in tightly defined roles.

OOC: Incidentally, the appropriate adjective for someone or something from Kotterdam is Kotterite. ;)

Preatonia, I have decided that it would be best for my military base be within the defences to help service them and resupply. I will also install a seaport near the defences to help resupply the base and have a safe harbor for my ships. Once my military presence here is terminated, you may use this port I will construct as you see fit.

Actually, I do not believe I agreed to military bases in Praetonia, I agreed to a naval base near Praetonia:

We will give you 500 Avenger systems in exchange for allowing us to keep a base near the coast to help maintain the systems and resupply any of our ships. The other 175 will cost you a total of $47250 USD. Order en route upon confirmation.

We will be happy to provide you with a Naval Base site on a sizeable (for a naval base) island near Feletori, but we must refuse any request to build military bases on mainland Praetonian soil. We will, however, buy production rights for avenger missile, if youwish to sell them.

I'll provide you with any Avengers or parts you need, just TG me for more.

I'm ok with no land base... The sea base will be fine...

You were also asking about out sea-defense system that we call "The boiling water project". You will have it installed and maintained like all of our previous sales.

Yes that sounds fine. I'll wire the $50,000,000 that we agreed on immediately. No hurry to install the weapon systems as long as it's in the next 5NS years.

It's all prefabricated...It'll be completed today (RL). The oil erupts in flames when it hits seawater and more of the oil. The oil is just aviation fuel with a special chemical addative.