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141,811 Vypers Sold Already!

Name: The GO-21 Vyper Cannon
Calibre: 20x85mm
Weight: 18.12kg + 10.34kg Tripod
Length: 1640mm
Effective Range: 850m
Rate of Fire: 600rpm (designed for rapid burst fire)
Feed: 20 Round Clip
Muzzle Velocity: 700mps
Fire Modes: Semi and Full Auto (Auto designed for burst fire)

Cost: $3,550 each

The 20mm Vyper puts a powerful light artillery piece in the hands of a basic infantry squad. The dynamicly cooled gun fires short 20mm explosive rounds that can lay down a whithering torrent of fire on entrenched positions and can be used more generally in short bursts to suppress or kill enemy infantry. A powerful gun made possible by its 90% aluminium construction and light-weight clip. A versatile and flexible gun for any army.

Edit: ammo size, tripod weight

my goverment wishes to purchase the following...

The GO-21 Vyper Cannon
@ 3,550 each x 700 = 2,485,000

please send a confirmation telegraph so u can get paid asap, thanx

p.s. as u can see we can afoord the product!! we have a very high military fund and gdp!!

The Commonwealth would like to purchase 10,000 of your GO-21 Vyper Cannons for a total of $35.5 Million. Thank you and money will be wired upon confirmation.

The Porlanian Goverment would Like to Purchase 25,000 Vypers for $75 Million. Thankyou.

The Porlanian Goverment would Like to Purchase 25,000 Vypers for $75 Million. Thankyou.....



HOw can you afford that its pure modding? The same for Granzi. your economies would be crippled. YOu arn't even 3 months old.

75 million USD isn't that much money. Even a one week old nation could afford it (barely.)

Now, how much does the 20mm clip weigh? Wouldn't a magazine of twenty 20mm shells weigh quite a bit?

The Porlanian Goverment would Like to Purchase 25,000 Vypers for $75 Million. Thankyou.....



HOw can you afford that its pure modding? The same for Granzi. your economies would be crippled. YOu arn't even 3 months old.

I'm not one to have a go but, $75 million wouldnt exactly bust the bank, would it?

Under their national earnings yes. How could they pay for food, roadways, and other millitary items. If you want a national caculator i can send one to you.

Under their national earnings yes. How could they pay for food, roadways, and other millitary items. If you want a national caculator i can send one to you.

Mind your own business. I have already several national calculators. My national budget is over a trillion, so a few million won't make much of a dent. If I can afford to maintain a storefront, build a navy, and send it off to war, I can afford this.

Cartoria:
Granzi's military budget is excess of $200billion (if he uses a US defence budget level of 15%) so a full scale aquistion program isn't out of reach.


On the suject of the gun.
20x130mm is seemingly a fairly massive round, much larger than any 20mm round used in a man portable system (the croatian recoiless 20mm gun uses 20x110mm hispano and the south african sniper rifle uses 20x83.5 MG151).
As a result this weapons is going to ahve huge recoil especially with it's low weight (and i thought my 20x60mm grenades were pushing it) and liekly be neigh on uncontrolable.
its a good idea and the round does have promise for mounted cannons (20x130mm should offer a good increase in power over standard 20mm ammo) but as a manportable weapon it is just too powerful.

Interesting prospect. The Commonwealth does not know much about firearms; our specialty is naval warfare. On second thought, we will be postponing our order until this can be sorted out. Thank you.

The government of Hudecia, in the midst of a war, would like to purchase

100 000 GO-21 Vyper Cannon (at $3 550 each)

total: $355 million

OOC: yes I can afford to buy all this... no, my economy would not be crippled... yes I am buying a lot of guns.

The Government of Nellisland wishes to purchase:

1,000 GO-21 Vyper Cannon (X) 3,550 per gun

Total: 3,550,000

Nellisland will forward the money when telegrammed of arrival.

It was nice doing business with you.

The Armed Repubilc of Crazed Marines would like to purchase 10 units for testing, and pending on this, might adopt as vehicle-based MG.

Plz confirm payment by TG.

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Name: The GO-21 Vyper Cannon
Calibre: 20x130mm
Weight: 18.12kg
Length: 1640mm
Effective Range: 850m
Rate of Fire: 600rpm (designed for rapid burst fire)
Feed: 20 Round Clip
Muzzle Velocity: 700mps
Fire Modes: Semi and Full Auto (Auto designed for burst fire)

Cost: $3,550 each

The 20mm Vyper puts a powerful light artillery piece in the hands of a basic infantry squad. The dynamicly cooled gun fires short 20mm explosive rounds that can lay down a whithering torrent of fire on entrenched positions and can be used more generally in short bursts to suppress or kill enemy infantry. A powerful gun made possible by its 90% aluminium construction and light-weight clip. A versatile and flexible gun for any army.

OOC: Ok, I'm going to tell you what's wrong with this weapon. Firstly, unless you cybernetically enhance your soldier's skeletal structures, they will be crushed by the recoil. Secondly, why does it have automatic fire if a magazine only holds 20 rounds? Doesn't it seem that limiting its capabilities to Semi-Automatic fire would be less troublesome? Lastly, why even bother making this? It's an anti-tank/anti-helicopter rifle, but both tanks and helicopters can be taken out with either and RPG round with a directed charge, or a heat-seeking rocket respectively, if your troops actually know how to use them without blowing their own asses off...

IC: I strongly feel that this weapon is useless, with good reason.

The Porlanian Goverment would Like to Purchase 25,000 Vypers for $75 Million. Thankyou.....



HOw can you afford that its pure modding? The same for Granzi. your economies would be crippled. YOu arn't even 3 months old.

Wow, you're not the brightest person on this blue leviathan called Earth, are you?

OOC: Wickit Klownz, if you looked at the picture, you should be able to see that the gun has a tripod and is too heavy to be fired on foot, therefore recoil is not an issue, because it is going to be stationary when firing. The automatic mode makes sense because sometimes you need to put a burst out, and the trigger pull on something this big would be a pain in the ass for semi-auto. True, tanks and helicopters can be taken out with rpgs, but rpgs are usually too valuable to waste on infantry. This weapon is obviously designed for a defensive role(because lugging it around normal combat would suck), and it fills a role that neither rpgs or sniper rifles can.

~Cpt. Carver: straight from Prsident Romanstof himself we would like to buy 1 and only one of your guns thank you. Further more I myself have the money neccsaryr for trnasaction : hands money to slaes man. I would like the one on display please.

The Porlanian Goverment would Like to Purchase 25,000 Vypers for $75 Million. Thankyou.....



HOw can you afford that its pure modding? The same for Granzi. your economies would be crippled. YOu arn't even 3 months old.

OOC: Spending 75 million dollars wouldn't even dent Cartoria's buget.......A nation that is a day old could even buy weapons that cost 75 million dollars.

Asmodai and buddah:

Order was confirmed via TG

Granzi:

Order confirmed. The cannons will be flown to your country via cargo plane.

Porlania:

Order confirmed. The cannons will again be flown in by cargo plane.

Hudecia:

Order confirmed. The cannons will be shipped in as you have ordered rather a lot.

Nellisland:

Order confirmed. The guns will be flown into your country.

Crazed marines:

Order confirmed. We will put them in with standard exports to your country as it is not a large amount.

Lodian Romastism:

Order confirmed. We will put them in with standard exports to your country as it is only one.

OOC: The gun.

Sileetris Wrote (I cant do quotes):

OOC: Wickit Klownz, if you looked at the picture, you should be able to see that the gun has a tripod and is too heavy to be fired on foot, therefore recoil is not an issue, because it is going to be stationary when firing. The automatic mode makes sense because sometimes you need to put a burst out, and the trigger pull on something this big would be a pain in the ass for semi-auto. True, tanks and helicopters can be taken out with rpgs, but rpgs are usually too valuable to waste on infantry. This weapon is obviously designed for a defensive role(because lugging it around normal combat would suck), and it fills a role that neither rpgs or sniper rifles can.

That is basically it. The gun is man-portable. It is not designed to be soem kind of huge rifle. It is designed to be used like a HMG, just more powerful. The shells are explosive so yes they can be used against Helos and light armour but they can also be used against infantry. The 20mm shells are not only very dangerous to anyone near them when they go off, but it can also provide accurate and heavy suppressive fire. It can be used on the offensive but is meant to provide a squad with a fire-base which can take out entrenched positions etc. It is a very versatile weapon and this makes it useful.

On the note of the clip, yes it would be heavy, but the entire squad can carry clips for it (much like how MG ammo was carried in the world wars) and simply give them to the gunner when they are setting up the gun, or you can have a dedicated ammo-bearer. The full auto mode is designed for use, as I said, in bursts. An aimed 1-2 second burst (firing only around 4 shells) can be very effective and has advantages over semi-auto. I am not suggesting that this gun be used to spray enemy positions with full-auto fire.

edit: Also on the thing about 20mmX130mm ammo, yes I will change it to 20 X 100 or something. I was trying to make it a shorter than normal shell, but I didnt know how long a 20mm shell usually was. Editting...

Jordaxia would like to purchase 5000 Vypers for 17 million USD.

Confirmed Jordaxia. We will give them to you for 15 million since you are a friend.

OOC: On an unrelated note, what is that picture of? Just a browning M2 on a tripod?

OOC Yeah I think so. It was the only decent pic of an MG I could find that didnt have the belt of obviously-not-20mm ammo sticking out of it.

That is basically it. The gun is man-portable. It is not designed to be soem kind of huge rifle. It is designed to be used like a HMG, just more powerful. The shells are explosive so yes they can be used against Helos and light armour but they can also be used against infantry. The 20mm shells are not only very dangerous to anyone near them when they go off, but it can also provide accurate and heavy suppressive fire. It can be used on the offensive but is meant to provide a squad with a fire-base which can take out entrenched positions etc. It is a very versatile weapon and this makes it useful.

On the note of the clip, yes it would be heavy, but the entire squad can carry clips for it (much like how MG ammo was carried in the world wars) and simply give them to the gunner when they are setting up the gun, or you can have a dedicated ammo-bearer. The full auto mode is designed for use, as I said, in bursts. An aimed 1-2 second burst (firing only around 4 shells) can be very effective and has advantages over semi-auto. I am not suggesting that this gun be used to spray enemy positions with full-auto fire.

edit: Also on the thing about 20mmX130mm ammo, yes I will change it to 20 X 100 or something. I was trying to make it a shorter than normal shell, but I didnt know how long a 20mm shell usually was. Editting...
you didnt see what i was getting at, but nevermind, i have no time to explain myself...

OOC:
i understand the sort of weapon you are getting at here (seen the end of saving private ryan? seen that wheeled cannon thing the germans have? thats a 20mm cannon firing 20x83.5mm IIRC) and i hate to be a pain with picky bits.
18kg is about right for the weapon alone (roughly equiveleent with the new wave of 40mm grenade launchers) but you should mention that it will likely require an additional 10-20kg for the tripod (the M2 .50 has a 20kg tripod so with better materials you can lower it a good bit i would hazard at 12kg). Round wise i would probably chose 20x85 still repectable and can be marketed as a developement of of the ww2 german round. havign a look here: http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/ammotable2.htm could help
Still this is not a weapon any squad would want to carry after all msot infatry hate having to carry a GPMG. I would see it being used more at company level as part of a weapons platoon or as special issue as opposed to a organic weapon

Since we have no need for such a defense cannon to be sent to the infantry, we would rather order 100 basic models without tripod and other infantry related equipment. It will be mounted as a cupola anti-air and general supression weapon on our T-82Es. We also would like a complete read-out of your arms sales and others around the world. Our current export list will be published shortly.

Confirmed Eastern Siberia. Your cannons are on their way. However, we are not sure about providing you with a list of military exports. We shall have to think about that one.

OOC: On the gun, Ill shortern the ammo to 20*85 and add the tripod. Really it can be used however you wish Im just selling a weapon. I do think it fills a role that no other infantry weapon can.

That is very light weight when for ex. Kord 12.7 mm mg weights itself 25.5kg and it is machinegun and this is 20 mm cannon.

There was a machinegun on sale here a day or two ago that weighed 10kg approx so I thought this is reasonable. It is completely aluminium apart from the barrel which is rare for a MG.

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