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OOC: This is semi-OOC, but if you're going to post an OOC post, please let us know that your post is OOC. Currently those who are invited in these negotiations are members of the UnAPS and Phyrric.

As far as I know, Phyrric has proposed that I agree to a non-aggression treaty and that I refuse to harbor any of my UnAPS allies to allow for them to invade East Phyrric through my territory. I don't have a problem with this. However, I need assurance that Phyrric will halt all attacks on my allies, and I will ask the same of the alliance. A period of 2 RL months can be the extent of the treaty. This is of course negotiatable.

IC:

The Parliamentary Republic of Lietuveska, in seeking peace and lack of military conflict with Phyrric, hereby wishes to negotiate terms to halt the current invasion of our nation. While we are truly dedicated to peace, the terms of negotiation on our side will not be easy for Phyrric, though surely it is less costly than war.

As a cease-fire is active, troops will not fire upon others, but Lietuveska will continue allowing allies to transport troops to our nation to provide for our defense. However, we must ignore this fact in order to provide optimism for these negotiations.

Lietuveska agrees to the terms of non-aggression and we will refuse to harbor allies for an invasion of East Phyrric. We must first emphasize that no UnAPS member had intentions of invading or attacking East Phyrric, though we can understand paranoia on the side of the Phyrricans.

The following are the terms that Lietuveska offers:

1. Phyrric shall halt all aggression against UnAPS members.
2. Phyrric shall pay a minimum of $100 billion USD to pay for damages to property, lives, and the disruption of civil order.
3. Lietuveska shall halt all aggression against Phyrric.
4. Lietuveska shall not harbor any UnAPS members intending to invade East Phyrric through Lietuv territories.
5. The treaty signed after these negotiations shall have a lifetime of two months (RL), which may be renewed if both parties agree.

These terms are of course negotiable, but we would like to see something very close to our terms. If Phyrric wishes to add terms to the currently proposed agreement, we urge no hesitation in presenting those terms.

It is hoped that in these negotiations that a fair, true peace may be achieved. Lietuveska has never believed in aggressive action, and has never acted unless it has felt threatened. We must end this fight which was not meant to be, or both our oceans will be stormy with war.

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The ambassador receives the reply from Lietuveska and laughs.

"Pay? Like hell! Not a single penny shall enter their accounts."

He places the paper down, rubs his forehead with disgust and opens his laptop, starts typing away an email to a Senator:

"Sir, it is clear that our objectives were not taken seriously and they wish all out war. We have received their terms as enclosed and I personally find it insulting at the absolute least."

He scans the document, attaches the file.

"They wish this cease fire to allow more allies to stage. While we have areas occupied and on the offensive, I suggest a continuation of the campaign to eliminate Lietuveska from the war efforts."

He sends the message then proceeds to inform the ambassador from Lietuveska that the terms are totally unacceptable. He sits back down.

A few hours later, an email is received to the Ambassador, he opens it.

"Military operations have resumed. Pack up and leave the conference. It is clear that our terms are laughed at. The new terms are as follows:

Unconditional Surrender"

Secret Message to the Lietuveskan Government
"It seems that the Phyrric are not interested in righting their wrongs. If necessary, I believe we should sign a treaty without reparations. The UnAPS already has much on its plate and stopping a war with Phyrric would be highly beneficial to us. However, Edolia will stand by its allies. 600,000 of our warriors are already in Lietuveska, ready to do battle against the Phyrric."
Scottford von Harrick
Minister of State

OOC: Phyrric, you could try actually negiotiating, especially seeing as the terms are very reasonable.

IC

"We are extremely dissappointed to see diplomacy fail. As always our alliance to the UnAPs superseeds everything else at this moment in time. a full statement will be issued later."

FO of the Freethinkers

OOC: This is what gets me. I have accurate intel on who and why things are folding out the way they are and UnAPS thinks and believes that everyone outside of UnAPS are inbred hillbillies that do not know their head from their arse. Lietuveska was placed right next to East Phyrric in Haven for one reason and one reason only...to invade East Phyrric. Do not even attempt to deny this as I have already silence Feline on this issue, the same Feline that is in UnAPS and the SecIntel for that alliance. And you expect me to negotiate in good faith when the obvious ignorant ones are UnAPS members playing their little imperialistic games?

Ok, here is a bomb to be thrown squarely on the heads of UnAPS since it is clear that they are the aggressors and must be dealt with in the most hostile and aggressive means:

#1 "I'm thinking about moving to Haven, and if I do I want to take the land that borders the southern border of East Phyrric. I plan on having coastal lands along the harbor. Perhaps Riannen and I could put enough pressure on him to leave, perhaps by means of troops placements along our borders?

Of course this needs to wait until after the Allanea-UnAPS War, but I would love to take part in something that would push him out of the region. Of course the troops would only be there as precautions and as a means to pressure Phyrric, but I think it could all work out in the end."--Lietuveska moved to Haven region after Phyrric withdrew from UnAPS Alliance.

#2 "Since your attack on The Island States, I have been considering options. I have finally decided that I, along with other UnAPS nations, will attack East Phyrric in Haven. Riannen and I directly border and encircle East Phyrric. I will not be making a topic until a moderator begins refereeing the main war thread. However, I am requesting all information you have on East Phyrric, such as terrain, population, cities, military equipment, troop numbers, etc. I would greatly appreciate a map as well.

I have not declared war on your nation, but I will begin massing troops on the border. If you are to take this as an act of war, it will be you who are the aggressor, and it will be you who will take responsibility for whatever conflict shall arise.

Please respond ASAP. Thank you"--after Lietuveska moves to Haven Region and placed right next to East Phyrric, war intentions made.

I do think this is crystal clear UnAPS intentions of imperialism and war. The claim it was paranoia that provoked my attack, and the attack was not justified.

OOC: Phyrric, you've got mail

OOC: Phyrric, you've got mail

read and responded

OOC:

Firstly is that IC? Seeing as alot of what you have mentioned seems to be OOC discussions taking place and nations were angery after you nuked some of their men.

Personally it seems like alot of this is taken out of context as always. Note to mention the fact you missed out bits that came after it:

I was simply proposing a way of pressuring him to either leave Haven, with no intensions or desires to attack. Perhaps you misunderstood me, but I don't want any military conflict whatsoever.

At any rate, I would be willing to diplomatically ask Phyrric/East Phyrric to move out of Haven. I don't see what's wrong with putting pressure on him after that...

Most of that topic seemed to agree that we shouldn't actually attack Phyrric and I'm sure (seeing as you had access to our forums) you would have known we wouldn't attack.


I would prefer that you stop twisting things said and using OOC to argue IC points. Either you know or you don't. Quite frankly it looks to me like you started on UnAPS first...

OOC: First of all, you're being very childish. I don't know why you're taking all this personally, but you really shouldn't. Secondly, those are OOC conversations that have nothing to do with IC actions. Sure, I planned to attack East Phyrric later on, perhaps after the Allanean war. I don't know who told you it's okay to use OOC information to spur IC actions or to use information from another board to spur IC action, but I was taught that is n00bish and stupid. Forgive me for expecting you to not be personally attached to something that does not exist.

And genius, don't you think I'd probably *not* attempt to invade you after it backfiring, AND not to mention you're guaranteed safety for 2 full months if you live up to the treaty. :roll:

IC:

The Lietuv government is appalled that Phyrric will take such an abrupt turn from the path of attempted peace. There is no valid explanation for the imperialistic actions of Phyrric, and Lietuveska has little tolerance for such beligerance.

The lack of respect that Phyrric has for the families who have been destroyed, cities that have been raped, and villages that have been burned in vicious malice is truly disgusting. It took much effort for our government to even attempt peace as a solution. Our anger is beyond any anger ever felt by another government, and if Phyrric does not accept our fair terms, Hell shall rain upon your men.

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OOC:

Firstly is that IC? Seeing as alot of what you have mentioned seems to be OOC discussions taking place and nations were angery after you nuked some of their men.

Personally it seems like alot of this is taken out of context as always. Note to mention the fact you missed out bits that came after it:

I was simply proposing a way of pressuring him to either leave Haven, with no intensions or desires to attack. Perhaps you misunderstood me, but I don't want any military conflict whatsoever.

At any rate, I would be willing to diplomatically ask Phyrric/East Phyrric to move out of Haven. I don't see what's wrong with putting pressure on him after that...

Most of that topic seemed to agree that we shouldn't actually attack Phyrric and I'm sure (seeing as you had access to our forums) you would have known we wouldn't attack.


I would prefer that you stop twisting things said and using OOC to argue IC points. Either you know or you don't. Quite frankly it looks to me like you started on UnAPS first...

OOC: yes Iuthia, I have Intel. It is great to slam people whether it be IC or OOC. Since all of UnAPS claims to be of no knowledge of such information as I claim, I have to resort to total crap like this and post it as IC. Phyrric knew of the intentions, I do believe I have proven that beyond a reasonable doubt. I offered terms for peace, and Lietuveska through it back at me with stupidity and ignorance, that would be quite n00bish for anyone to do. I have been infiltrating your 'secure threads' for a long time now, both inner and outer forums. Look at the map of Haven....why do you think I attacked Island States? To defend East Phyrric requires a hole through Island States. Do you really think that I am that nieve to think or still not have allies abroad, even after leaving UnAPS? Give me a break! Are you pissed off that I have your balls nailed to a wooden chair?

IC: Consider this as failed negotiations. Phyrric has demonstrated successful infiltration of UnAPS plans and acted appropriately. End of table talks due to lack of negotiations in good faith on behalf of UnAPS.

We are not giving up just yet. Lietuveska urges Phyrric to rethink it's decision. If this treaty is signed, the UnAPS will surely respect it, and we can attempt to urge any members you think are attempting to invade East Phyrric to think differently. This situation may be diffused, do not give up yet. We will try to stop war as much as we can, but the patience of Lietuvs is wearing thin.

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We are not giving up just yet. Lietuveska urges Phyrric to rethink it's decision. If this treaty is signed, the UnAPS will surely respect it, and we can attempt to urge any members you think are attempting to invade East Phyrric to think differently. This situation may be diffused, do not give up yet. We will try to stop war as much as we can, but the patience of Lietuvs is wearing thin.

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You seek peace with Phyrric? Prove yourself here and we shall discuss options:

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3106731#3106731

OOC: yes Iuthia, I have Intel. It is great to slam people whether it be IC or OOC. Give me a break! Are you pissed off that I have your balls nailed to a wooden chair?

OOC: I'll be blunt with you Phyrric, I don't want to RP with someone who cannot distinguish the difference between OOC and IC. I didn't even want to post in this thread but you are pulling crap out of your ass which isn't even IC, then not only do you do that but you twist it to suit your perposes...

Meanwhile I feel quite safe personally... but I hate it when people post things out of alliance forums, I try to stop allies doing it when I see it these days ever since Melkor pointed out what crap it is... and he's right. Half that stuff is OOC, if not most of it. It's just dirty and it's meta-gaming and I'll have none of it thanks.

OOC: On the Alliance forums, if I don't see an [ooc] tag in it, I consider it IC. Simple as that.

OOC: On the Alliance forums, if I don't see an [ooc] tag in it, I consider it IC. Simple as that.
OOC: ..but we didn't specify it's OOC. But since unless stated, I do believe that they are all OOC, unless stated that it's actually IC. It's somewhat confusing at some part, yes, but most people address it there in first-person anyways.

But from the looks of it, I think that Iuthia has made the point.

OOC: yes Iuthia, I have Intel. It is great to slam people whether it be IC or OOC. Give me a break! Are you pissed off that I have your balls nailed to a wooden chair?

OOC: I'll be blunt with you Phyrric, I don't want to RP with someone who cannot distinguish the difference between OOC and IC. I didn't even want to post in this thread but you are pulling crap out of your ass which isn't even IC, then not only do you do that but you twist it to suit your perposes...

Meanwhile I feel quite safe personally... but I hate it when people post things out of alliance forums, I try to stop allies doing it when I see it these days ever since Melkor pointed out what crap it is... and he's right. Half that stuff is OOC, if not most of it. It's just dirty and it's meta-gaming and I'll have none of it thanks.

First of all, the planning of an invasion is not OOC information, regardless where it is planned. If prior knowledge of Iraq was leaked, can the US scream...that was OOC knowledge, you can't use that!

I infiltrated the Metus boards for your information. You want to see what OOC information looks like, talk to Melkor and his allies. That is why I never reported shit back to you pal, because I do know what OOC info is...and UnAPS planning war, secret mobilization, and other info posted as first person, backed by threads in NS is not, and never will be OOC info. My information came from not only the infiltration of your precious boards, but from many, many allies. In or out of UnAPS, associated or not, members or non members, allies and non allies. Your bitching does nothing more than validate that my Intel is accurate and precise. chew on it while Iuthia is placed on IGNORE.

OOC: Thats fine by me Phyrric, I was think about ignoring you myself but I guess you've saved me the effort. I suppose this is the end of all that crappy blackmail you seem to be keen on. Goodbye Phyrric and good riddens...

But while you are at it why don't you ignore Omz222 as well, seeing as he agrees seems to agree with me...

Afterall, I wasn't aware that the placing of a nation geographically (which was your first example) is an IC matter of discussion... you know like:

"Where should I put my nation?" says James deGritz, he has been thinking about placing his nation next to Phyrric for sometime but has been concidering the tactical positioning of his entire freaking nation.

Yes Phyrric, your first example was discussing where he should put his nation geographically, even if he was discussing you at the same time it's clearly not something he is going to talk about as a UnAPS representative.

But I guess it doesn't matter, it will be perfectly acceptable for me to be ignored by you, it saves me the job of ignoring your crap.

[Phyrric, you don't learn, do you? All forum posts, unless otherwise so stated, are OOC. This is standard RP etiquette, even according to Melkor. You've got a chance to pretend this whole invasion crap never happened, I suggest you be quick in taking that chance. Btw, did you happen to get this information from Allanea?]

OOC: SS, wrong. I've noticed several occasions where something was meant to be OOC and it considered IC on our boards. I also noticed that when people want it to be OOC, they post [OOC].

OOC: I know im not invited, but i thought it was just great to comment on what a loada babies you lot seem like to the casual observer, ie me.

You should face it that it has happened and all just forget this thread and move on! Well thats my humble opinion.

OOC: I know im not invited, but i thought it was just great to comment on what a loada babies you lot seem like to the casual observer, ie me.

You should face it that it has happened and all just forget this thread and move on! Well thats my humble opinion.

Well said

"HALO 1, THIS IS RED 5. STARTING CAMERA RUN. ENTERANCE PK156281 EXIT PL841652 OVER"

"RED 5 ROGER, GOOD COPY. HAPPY HUNTING"

The SR-71C made a turn inbound over East Phyrric heading toward Lietuveska boarder.

(((((OOC))))):

I have just about had it with this RP. I have had it with people taking OOC comments on the forums as if they were the words of God himself and that whatever someone had written down was the policy of all of us, as well as the person writing it. Even though the use of OOC forum information from other forums has been shared with our members, I for one never used it or even thought to preemptively strike anyone for any reason.

Phyrric told me OOCly that he attacked me because he could get a good RP out of me. I neglected to ask him if I could get the same in return. It's obvious that, through the misuse of OOC information, that this war is a sham and not worth my time or RPing skills.

I give Phyrric this OOC choice: Either you and I can work together and get this whole mess straightened out in a calm and friendly manner or you will have never existed to me. I will go beyond just firing my IGNORE cannons, I will pretend you have never existed in any shape or form whatsoever. It is extreme, but you leave me no choice at this point. There is no opting out, these are your choices and I will give you enough time to figure out what you're going to do.

Phyrric, please do not think I am applying this only to you and singling you out. You're just the first of many I'm going to lay this down in front of.

Good night, everyone.

Ok, what do you want to work out? You want to talk, lets do it.

If Lietuveska repeals the first term that we offered to the table, will Phyrric accept the terms? We feel it is a very fair agreement, and we are truly wishing for a peaceful solution. Lietuveska is sick of the war against Phyrric, and we wish for no more fighting between the two of our nations.

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Ok, what do you want to work out? You want to talk, lets do it.

OOC: Yeah, that's what you said until I offered terms. I'm saying the same thing TIS is..You haven't really RPed anything in our "war", you've just said how many troops are attacking. I'm planning a big ignore party as well, mostly because you don't know how to diffrentiate between OOC and IC.

OOC: You want to negotiate, then do so and knock off the whiney attitude. I stopped RP the war because we were allegedly negotiating. The placement of a Nation is not OOC knowledge and I do not give a damn what UnAPS claims on that issue. Nations do not magically appear and start massing troops as OOC knowledge. Think that sats are blind and I would not notice the massing, even if I did not have access to the threads?

Now, this may sound just a little retarded but I think it's worth a shot:

Regardless of if Pyhric had been informed of troop massings on his border, use some common sense. In real life, if you mass on someone's borders you tend to be viewed by the other as agressive. Satelite photos, spy planes, etc. could confirm these suspicions easily.

Now let's assume he did use the spysat, spy plane, etc. He now knows that you have troops there. One can easily, from an IC and OOC stance, put 2 + 2 together to determine that it ain't friendly there.

Now, if he suddenly changed what he was declaring war over, would you still be seeking ways to eleminate an opponent by technicality?

OOC: I wasn't denying that he could have seen anything by satellite, but after OOCly contacting him, I did say that I would not be attacking. This has all gotten into a big misunderstanding, and I'm sorry for not specifying what I meant in the first place. I'll take some of the blame for all this, but can't we just put an end to this nonsense?

And Phyrric, I edited that post because I felt it was too flame-ish. I replaced it with an IC post, and I'd love for you to respond. :P

I agree. Sounds like Phyrric just used good intel. If y'all didn't want him to know about your possible intentions OOC or not you should not have posted it. If it was meant to be "eyes only" you should have PM'd it. It there, so lets deal with it.

OOC:

Can we please just shutup about the whole OOC and IC debate. I'm willing to just say I was WRONG WRONG WRONG! Good grief. :roll:

Now, Phyrric, I'm getting really tired of all this. Let's just make peace and no more. We don't have to be friends or anything, I'd just rather us not be enemies. Please accept the IC terms, minus the payment, for the sake of ending this crap.

IC:

Lietuveska would like to add one more term to the negotiations.

+ Phyrric shall remove all equipment and assets from Lietuv territory, land and water.

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A messenger enters the room where Pyrrhus and Ambassador Scott are having negotiations with the Nation of Pauldustllah and hands him a letter.

"excuse me gentlemen" he reads the letter, it is from the Senate:

The Senate of the Great Nation of Phyrric has ratified terms 3, 4, 5, and 6 from Lietuveska and has executed an order for immediate withdrawal of forces from said Nation. The Senate hereby returns notice with the stamp and great seal of Phyrric that terms are to be adheared to pending the immediate evacuation of UnAPS forces from said Nation. This treaty is not valid until completion of requests by both parties, and each party has 72 hours from time of signing and deliverance to perform treaty requests before validation is recognized.

Pyrrhus pulls a pen out of his shirt pocket, signs the space above his name, dates it and returns it to the messenger. "I want this in the hands of the leaders of Lietuveska before nightfall with the following message: IF I have to return.....let them fill in the blanks. The clock starts when they get this ratification."

"Sorry gentlemen, now where were we.........."

OOC: We're going to go along with Liet here and just push for peace, seeing as this OOC/IC arguing will get us nowhere.

IC:
The Island States sends a message to Phyrric:

"Would you be willing to reconsider #1 if it were given a timelimit, say... [2 RL months]?"

OOC: *smiles as common sense prevails at last.*

I hope that this continues. Im not going to push for anything more than peace at the moment. Now this has been sorted we can go back to kicking Allanea's proverbial posterior.

To the nation of Phyrric,

Lietuveska is ready to sign the deal, but we must try to get the first term signed as well. We are asking for the input of UnAPS allies before we confirm that they will promise no aggression to Phyrric, but it is likely that they will.

We ask Phyrric to please be patient, as Lietuveska has granted 2 days (RL) of discussion among its allies. We are trying extremely hard to reach a peaceful solution. We can discard the second term. The cost of war is far greater than that of peace, and we must continue on this great path. We beg for patience, and nothing more at this moment.

--Ministry of Foreign Affairs--

double post

From: Phyrric Ambassador
To: Nation of Lietuveska

Phyrric will grant the two days to discuss. The first term is not in the best interest of Phyrric as several Nations have stated and demonstrated intent of war with Phyrric. These Nations have not stepped forward to address the situation other than total aggression against Phyrric and her allies. Phyrric cannot sign grievance 1 unless UnAPS is willing to cease all activities and hostilities against her neighbors, friends, and allies named, but not limited to:

Allanea
Fluffywuffy
Artitsa
Pissed off Americans
Nuevo Kowloon

Dear Sir or Madame,

There is a problem with the non-aggression you have proposed. Allanea shows no intentions to render peace a solution, nor do her allies. It would be suicide and insanity to pledge no aggression to parties who are bent on the destruction of the UnAPS, and would refuse such a deal. We ask that the Allanean War remain seperate from ours.

The results of UnAPS members has so far looked good, and we must stress that at this point, several members have said that they have no intentions of attacking East Phyrric, and will definately agree to a non-aggression pact and swear loyalty to it.

Lietuveska would accept Phyrric's terms, but the listed parties have shown absolutely no desire for peace.

--Ministry of Foreign Affairs--

Lietuveska is happy to announce that the UnAPS has pledged non-aggression to Phyrric as a result of Phyrric's pledge. Therefore, the UnAPS and Phyrric will officially be at peace once the final document is signed.

Lietuveska hereby agrees to all the former terms offered by Phyrric, and we will accept consequences of breaking said terms. Lietuveska officially declares that it has signed the agreement.

--Ministry of Foreign Affairs--

Lietuveska is happy to announce that the UnAPS has pledged non-aggression to Phyrric as a result of Phyrric's pledge. Therefore, the UnAPS and Phyrric will officially be at peace once the final document is signed.

Lietuveska hereby agrees to all the former terms offered by Phyrric, and we will accept consequences of breaking said terms. Lietuveska officially declares that it has signed the agreement.

--Ministry of Foreign Affairs--

Phyrric requests roll call on nations of UnAPS that have made this pledge before the Senate will discuss this peace. Phyrric will recognize peace with Lietuveska only.

We will honor any non-aggression treaty.

Well, If Artitsa was offered peace, perhaps we'd accept it.
With the addition of some terms and gifts

Lietuveska is happy to announce that the UnAPS has pledged non-aggression to Phyrric as a result of Phyrric's pledge. Therefore, the UnAPS and Phyrric will officially be at peace once the final document is signed.

Lietuveska hereby agrees to all the former terms offered by Phyrric, and we will accept consequences of breaking said terms. Lietuveska officially declares that it has signed the agreement.

--Ministry of Foreign Affairs--

The Island States also agrees to this and will begin removing their forces from Lietuveska.

I can promise an army of at least four nations to come to the aid of Lietuveska. Please telegram me, Goughsburg, if I can be of any service.

Even though Ilek-Vaad is on neither side in this conflict, if by some chance this accord leads to peace we will abide by it. If combat within Haven ceases as a result of this I will recommend that the Republican Council remove my mandate to end the conflicts plagueing Haven.

Supreme Republican Commander Vaikov, One-hundredman Retaliatory Guard

We will abide by the non-agression treaty.

"We will accept a peace agreement with Phyrric, so long as we are not expected to cease hostilities against Allanea as well."

- Sophia Kahler, Secretary of Foreign Affairs

IC: "As we have no quarrel with Phyrric, we will respect any non-aggression pact between the UnAPS and that nation"