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This statement has been issued to Sarzonia from leader of Nellisland-

1) Despite the words by one of Nellisland's trusted allies, Muktar, (which has been noted I will add) Nellisland will hold talks with Sarzonia.

2) However for these talks to take place a few things need to happen

-Sarzonia must back away from Nellisland because Nellisland needs to have open trade with its partners

-Sarzonia must release the following information: 1) The amount of troops (air, land, and sea) that can deployed at any time. 2) Any weapons (guns, mobile, bombs, missles, and WMDs) that Sarzonia has or uses. 3) Any and all wars or conflicts involving violence that Sarzonia has been apart of.

-Nellisland will disclose all of the above information to Sarzonia if the terms are meet.

-Sarzonia's leader must travel to Nellisland and sign a non-agression pact with Nellisland. This mainly because Nellisland doesn't want to be taken advantage of.

3) If these term are not there will be no talks between our nations. Nellisland may be small but they will not be pushed around by any country. Nellisland looks forward to talking to Sarzonia.

Nellisland, although Sarzonia's naval blockade is unjustified, I think that you should post the URL of the thread where all this originated. Also, you should not demand a constant inventory of Sarzonia's military. Only a few nations keep sufficiently accurate records. I know I am not among those nations, due to the erratic nature of a mercenary based military. To be fair, ask for just what he has in the blockade to be made clear, anyone even remotely involved has that much of a right.

Nellisland, although Sarzonia's naval blockade is unjustified, I think that you should post the URL of the thread where all this originated. Also, you should not demand a constant inventory of Sarzonia's military. Only a few nations keep sufficiently accurate records. I know I am not among those nations, due to the erratic nature of a mercenary based military. To be fair, ask for just what he has in the blockade to be made clear, anyone even remotely involved has that much of a right.

[OOC: I didn't impose a naval blockade. I don't know where that's coming from. My "story" in the thread about the war against Killjew was merely "you want me to lift the sanctions? Here's what you have to do for me to lift them." My intent was to post that and basically have Sarzonia go on its merry way.]

Nellisland would like to retract his previous demands. But they have only one demand at this current monent. Nellisland wishs to know what Sarzonia has in the blockade.

I also like to thank Nellisland's ally Muktar for keeping an interest in my nation

Thank You for time and I hope to here from Sarzonia soon...

As an ally of Sarzonia, the United Kingdom of Isselmere-Nieland will view any and all such aggressive behaviour by Nellisland or Muktar with extreme displeasure. While His Majesty's Government (HMG) finds the policies and nature of KillJew entirely abhorrent, your behaviour regarding Sarzonia's concern in the matter is offensive as well. Furthermore, HMG considers any demand compelling the head of state of Sarzonia to meet with you on your territory to not simply be null and void but equally subject to the firmest possible response.

Here endeth the lesson.

Sir George Fredericks, MP, CS, KL
Minister of Foreign Affairs and International Development
United Kingdom of Isselmere-Nieland

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Please note that the Royal Isselmere-Nieland Navy Rapid Reaction Fleet, along with the Southern Fleet and an Expeditionary Force, is heading towards the waters of contention:
Rapid Reaction Fleet: 30 SSGN, 4 SSK, 3 CV, CVL, 2 BBG, 5 CBG, 11 CG, 25 DDG (AD), 26 DDG (GP), 50 FFH, 8 K, 3 LHD, 3 LPD, 3 LSD, 25 AOR, 6 AS, 40 MCDV, 27 LCAC, 18 LCM
Southern Fleet: 16 SSGN, 6 SSK, 3 CV, CVL, BBG, CBG, 7 CG, 16 DDG (AD), 17 DDG (GP), 31 FFH, 8 K, 3 LHD, 3 LPD, 3 LSD, 16 AOR, 4 AS, 40 MCDV, 27 LCAC, 18 LCM
Expeditionary Force: 7 CG, 2 DDG (AD), 7 DDG (GP), 31 FFH, 8 SSK, 4 LPD, 8 LSD, 7 AOR, 20 AP, AS, 44 LCAC, 8 LCM

Isselmere, let me get this straight:

Nellisland is hostile for requesting a diplomatic meeting.
I am hostile for suggesting Nellisland tone down his requests, which he did.
Trying to put an end to a naval blockade is offensive.
You are sending a military force toward Nellisland's waters, possibly mine as well, in response to this request for negociations.

Did I miss anything?

Isselmere, let me get this straight:

Nellisland is hostile for requesting a diplomatic meeting.
I am hostile for suggesting Nellisland tone down his requests, which he did.
Trying to put an end to a naval blockade is offensive.
You are sending a military force toward Nellisland's waters, possibly mine as well, in response to this request for negociations.

Did I miss anything?


There was hostility in the manner in which Nellisland requested a diplomatic meeting.
No, you did not commit a hostile act or engage in aggressive behaviour by requesting Nellisland to reduce his demands; I was ensuring, by brinksmanship (admittedly a very poor method), that potential support for Nellisland's previous demands by your or another nation might be less forthcoming in the event a shooting war might start.
Sarzonia states he has engaged in no blockade:
[OOC: I didn't impose a naval blockade. I don't know where that's coming from. My "story" in the thread about the war against Killjew was merely "you want me to lift the sanctions? Here's what you have to do for me to lift them." My intent was to post that and basically have Sarzonia go on its merry way.]
With regards to sending a few boats into the area (which would remain in international waters until hostilities begin), I am merely showing goodwill towards Sarzonia; it's just an awful lot of goodwill.

And, no, you have missed nothing. I am merely ensuring I miss nothing either.

So you are calling nations hostile for being supportive of the nation you are against. You must be heavily involved in American politics.

Seriously, though, such comments about nations who are getting involved is uninformed and (dare I say it?) hostile. I believe a formal apology is in order.

So you are calling nations hostile for being supportive of the nation you are against. You must be heavily involved in American politics.

Seriously, though, such comments about nations who are getting involved is uninformed and (dare I say it?) hostile. I believe a formal apology is in order.

Yes, place one on my desk before you leave, deary.

With respect to the hostility expressed by your nation, which there was, I find it very difficult to revise my position, except by strengthening my resolve. Your insinuation of behaving as an American is trite and quaint. You've obviously never heard of the First World War. My behaviour is entirely responsible after reviewing what you so perversely call diplomacy. You insult someone, and then you expect an apology.

Sarzonia never placed a blockade on Nellisland ports. A sanction was placed on trade between those nations. That is an enormous difference, and one of which you ought to be aware.

Once you have backed down from your slight, I will leave the area. Else, you shall become aware of the meaning of "hostile."

This statement is to Isselmere:

"Sarzo announced that the navy would be on "orange alert" and any merchant vessels in the vicinity of either Nellisland or KillJew were ordered back to port. Sarzo also announced economic sanctions against both countries."

This quote is from the War on Killjew. Isselmere said that Sarzonia never placed a naval blockade on my country just sanction. However why was his navy on orange alert then and why would they order merchant vessels back if they didn't have ships to force them.

Also Muktar will stay an active part in these talks. He is my very good friend and wishes to not see me taken advantage of. Also do not threaten us with force because while we are not war hungry we will not be forced into what we want to do.

To add about my hostile actions. I believe that I have the right to be a little hostile because two nations that had no prior interest in my nation before the war (that never took place). He is trying to force me to stick to my reforms that I said I would. These reforms will take time and effort too do. So I feel that Sarzonia and Isselmere need to back off a bit.

Thank You for concern have a nice day. :)

At the request of the nation of Muktar, the Grand Duchy of Hamptonshire is asking that all sides reevaluate their current military posture and deployments in this matter. While We do not have any attachment to or concerns for the nation of Nellisland, the Grand Duchy is an ally of Muktar.

It is our fear that the current actions of both sides involved may escalate into armed conflict. Diplomacy and reason need to prevail. As a neutral third party with established and solid relations with both Muktar and Isselmere, We suggest that both sides reevaluate their positions and think about the consequences of their actions. His Royal Highness' Government implores all sides to come to a peaceful settlement.

Thank you.

Signed,
Louis Cessar
Prime Minister of the Grand Duchy of Hamptonshire

Lord Easton
Foreign Minister, President of the Privvy Council

Thank you Hamptonshire.

Now, the situation is this: Nellisland agreed to begin the reforms that Sarzonia requested. This progress can only be made via the daily issues that come up which are randomly generated. As such, immediate reform is impossible. Despite this, Sarzonia is refusing to change it's current military and economic status on the matter until this occurs, the time that would elapse could potentially be decades. Having observed all the events, I decided that my ally Nellisland was in the right and therefore recieved my support. Isselmere, being a closely tied ally to Sarzonia, immediately lept to support his ally without any information about the situation. I will post the URL for the initial thread shortly so all parties may make informed decisions on the issue at hand.

War on KillJew (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=140979&highlight=)

Thank you for the presumption of ignorance on my part. Had you not made that statement,

Isselmere, being a closely tied ally to Sarzonia, immediately lept to support his ally without any information about the situation [emphasis added].
which is patently false, I would have been more than willing to allow this situation to be resolved as it likely would have: Sarzonia would have gone home, and I wouldn't have bothered. Once the offending nation was shown to be defunct, Sarzonia stated that the sanctions, not the stopping of merchant vessels, he imposed on Nellisland would continue until the domestic situation in the latter nation improved. Instead, Muktar insulted the Sarzonian people and Nellisland made further demands -- not requests, demands -- on Sarzonia. Muktar requested Nellisland reduce its demands, which the latter land did, albeit still demanding relations. Muktar continued to behave egregiously. Sarzonia's statements reveal his ships are no longer either in transit to or around the contended waters.

That said, the UKIN praises the Grand Duchy of Hamptonshire's involvement to resolve this unnecessarily extended affair. His Majesty's Government hopes this ends both soon and peaceably.

I did not insult Sarzonia. I defended Nellisland's position while maintaining a light humor about the situation.

Also, may I point out that despite Nellisland's agreement to political reform, Sarzonia never ceased the trade embargo? Considering how imposing Sarzonia was at the time, it is easy to understand how Nellisland may have originally saw those demands as reasonable.

Please, let both sides admit that mistakes were made and communication was obscured. Let's end this.

It's pretty common for a nation with a very different political ideology to keep sanctions against another nation. Such sanctions are simply between those two nations and do not extend to denying the sanctioned nation the right to trade with other countries (such as USA and Cuba, or before USA and Vietnam). With that in mind, this situation ought to be resolved between Nellisland and Sarzonia, at least, the situation ought not devolve into war.

Insofar as Isselmere-Nieland is concerned, the fleets and expeditionary force are conducting training far away from Nellisland and Muktar waters. The UKIN is officially disinterested in this matter unless further non-diplomatic actions are taken against Sarzonia.

Once again, His Majesty's Government thanks the wise and sane attempts by the Grand Duchy of Hamptonshire to resolve this situation.

This statement is to Isselmere:

"Sarzo announced that the navy would be on "orange alert" and any merchant vessels in the vicinity of either Nellisland or KillJew were ordered back to port. Sarzo also announced economic sanctions against both countries."

[OOC: That announcement about the merchant ships was to notify MY merchant ships to steer clear of the area around Nellisland and KillJew. It had NOTHING to do with Nellisland's merchant ships... JUST MINE. I would think it'd be common sense to get your merchant ships and their cargo out of harm's way. There is an ENORMOUS difference between getting my ships out of the area and imposing a blockade. If I were going to set up a blockade, I would have said so in those words.]

I did not insult Sarzonia. I defended Nellisland's position while maintaining a light humor about the situation.

[OOC: Muktar, you did a lot more than "insult" me. You were VERY condescending in your response to my story where I formally asked Nellisland to begin reforms and you PRESUMED to know that my intention was to invade Nellisland. Since when did you become a mind reader? :roll:

I was pretty ticked off OOC by your statement, and I normally don't care too much about what happens IC in my OOC life. I believe if there are any apologies in order, you owe me one.]

Isselmere: The only action taken that could be considered 'against' Sarzonia by either of us can only be considered diplomatic in nature. What sort of non-diplomatic actions do you refer to?

Sarzonia: I apologize if you took my comments the wrong way. I only meant to lighten the mood while supporting my ally.

First off I wish to thank Muktar and Hamptonshire for their support. I am also glad this situation is over. (Also that everyone else did more talking then me. :D )

Sarzonia: I do plan to make my reforms that it will take sometime. Please get rid of the sanctions on my country. I also think that we should just not talk until I make my reforms. If you wish to check my nation evry once in a while I do not object.

First off I wish to thank Muktar and Hamptonshire for their support. I am also glad this situation is over. (Also that everyone else did more talking then me. :D )

Sarzonia: I do plan to make my reforms that it will take sometime. Please get rid of the sanctions on my country. I also think that we should just not talk until I make my reforms. If you wish to check my nation evry once in a while I do not object.

Sarzonia: I do plan to make my reforms that it will take sometime. Please get rid of the sanctions on my country. I also think that we should just not talk until I make my reforms. If you wish to check my nation evry once in a while I do not object.

TO:Nellisland leader
FROM:Mark Lorber, Senior Vice President for External Affairs
Incorporated States of Sarzonia
SUBJECT: Economic sanctions

We are pleased that you have expressed your intentions of instituting the reforms we have asked. However, as we indicated when your war with KillJew ended, we will end our sanctions once the reforms are underway. We will continue to monitor your country to ensure that the reforms have been instituted. The elimination of all sanctions will only take effect once the reforms have been instituted and have taken effect.

We are willing to monitor conditions in your country and we will do so as our ability to do so dictates. As of now, we have more pressing concerns in another part of the world [OOC: The war with Holy Panooly kind of precludes our getting too heavily involved with your affairs. Now you see one big reason why I didn't put up a naval blockade... I was sending ships to Holy Panooly!]

Ok. Sarzonia I have already been trying to institute the reforms. If you want to leave them thats fine.

On a extremly serious note I was overlooking the crisis in Holy Panooly today and I sent a reply to try to add any support that I can.

Official respons: The Armed Republic of Crazed Marines will support Nellisland in any conflict unless of a conflict of interests such as fighting between two allies. We would like to see that Sarzonia please inform Nellisland of any naval movemeents through secure diplomatic channels as of now.