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WE WILL NOT SELL TO HATED, VILE PIG-DOG DEMOCRACY NATIONS NOR SICKENING PURILE AND EVIL COMMUNIST NATIONS, NOR PANSY PINKO LIBERALS.

That said, Cencontria is developing innovative solutions for air support. In addition to more recently designed fare we have purchased, the Central Dictatorship's Military Command, and several private (OOC: I know my description says that there is no private enterprise, and to an objective observer, there isn't really. The corporations are in so deep with the government, that the corporations sort of are a part of the Central Dictatorship.) companies, have designed and begun to manufacture updated versions of World War II aircraft to provide a cheap means of air support to the Shock Troopers and Rear Troopers.

Soon, we will offer new, original designs.

WE NOW FEATURE OUR NEWEST, AND FIRST ORIGINAL DESIGN: THE F.1 Central

Maximum Speed: Mach 1.5
Maximum Speed, with afterburners: Mach 2
Range: 3,000 kilometers
Crew: 1
Armament: 1x 20mm Cannon; 4x Air-to-Air Missiles OR 1,000 Kilograms of bombs
Features: Afterburners, stealth, vertical take of and landing, laser designator, Combat RADAR, digital cockpit.
Role: Air Superiority

Design incorporates new features and features from the upgraded Harriers we purchased. It is a next-generation aircraft, capable of air superiority and limited ground attack weapons.

http://www.freewebs.com/cencontria/F.1.JPG

COST: $45,000,000

A.1 Fist

Based on: F4U Corsair
Engine: 1x 3,000 kilowatt Turboprop
Maximum Speed: 750 km/h
Range: 2,500 kilometers
Span: 12.47 m
Length: 10.26 m
Height: 4.50 m
Wing area: 29.17 sq m
Armament: 4x 20mm Cannon; 1,000 Kilograms of bombs OR 8 127mm Rockets/Missiles
Features Added: Turboprop, modern construction, more powerful weapons, laser designator, Combat RADAR in tailfin, digital cockpit.
Role: Ground Attack

http://www.kotfsc.com/thunderbolt/graphics/f4u-plate1.jpg

COST: $250,000

M.1 Hammerhead

Based on: PBY Catalina
Engine: 2x 950 kilowatt Turboprop
Maximum Speed: 325 km/h
Range: 5,000 kilometers
Span: 31.7 m
Length: 19.47 m
Height: 6.15 m
Wing area: 130.06 sq m
Armament: 3x 7.62mm Machine Guns, 2x 12.7mm Machine Guns, 4 Wing Hardpoints, Smoke Generator
Features Added: Turboprop, modern construction, laser designator, Combat RADAR in tailfin, modern submarine detection systems, digital cockpit.
Role: Multipurpose, focused on Maritime Patrol

http://www.kotfsc.com/thunderbolt/graphics/pby-art1.jpg

COST: $1,000,000

T.1 Atlas

Based on: C-46 Commando
Engine: 2x 2000 kilowatt Turboprop
Maximum Speed: 500 km/h
Range: 3,000 kilometers
Span: 32.92
Length: 23.26 m
Height: 6.62 m
Wing area: 126.34 sq m
Armament: A door gun can conceivably be mounted, Smoke Generator
Features Added: Turboprop, modern construction, Navigational/Weather RADAR in nose, digital cockpit.
Role: Cargo

http://www.kotfsc.com/thunderbolt/graphics/c46-diagram.gif

COST: $850,000

U.1 Courier

Based on: British Taylorcraft Auster
Engine: 1x 100 kilowatt Turboprop
Maximum Speed: 215 km/h
Range: 400 kilometers
Span: 10.97 m
Length: 6.83 m
Height: 2.44 m
Wing area: 15.51 sq m
Armament: None
Features Added: Turboprop, modern construction, digital cockpit.
Role: Utility

http://www.kotfsc.com/thunderbolt/graphics/auster-main.jpg
Cost: $100,000

More aircraft for sale soon!

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Very ... ah... innovative. However, we're a vile pig-dog democracy and on a social scale pantsy pinko liberals.

Although I like WWII era aircraft, i fail to see how a Corsair or a Catalina could win against some of the "modern aircraft" sold on the Forum.

Shhh!
He might attack at anytime with his prop-driven deathplanes!

OOC: You two must have missed the part about these being ground support planes, not air-superiority; would you try to dogfight in an AC-130 gunship? Anyway, we use updated me262s the same way........My question is, whats the price on the Catalinas?

Psst... it's pansy. Might want to get your terminology straight before a "pinko" nation or a "pansy" communist nation comes along and corrects your lack of intellige- er, grammar.

"Hi, I'd like to purchase three of each aircraft for my private collection of WWII planes. Keep the change. (hands over box containing $5 million)"

Richard Branson
Top 100 Rich DooD

i'll give u five dimes for the one of your planes. I can use them for crop dusting.

Let us consider a few things about the Vought F4U Corsair:

1) It had a top speed of approx. 446 mph or 718 km/h with a stock P&W R-2800-18W Double Wasp Radial engine. Yours on the other hand has been modernized with a turboprop, bringing the speed up 32 km/h from the original. That doesn't seem much of a change for being 60 years old.

2) The original had six 0.50-in (12.7mm) machine guns plus two 1000 lb (454 Kg) bombs or eight 5-in (127mm) rockets. Yours has pretty much all of this except that you switch the six 0.50s for four 20mm. Do you have any idea how ungodly heavy and proportionally out of wack 20mm cannons are? An F-18 has only one, which takes up almost the entire nose! And you have four of them sitting in the wings? I'm sorry, but this goes a little far. Even with a 3000kW turboprop that Corsair isn't getting off the ground, much less moving anywhere.

Yes I know, vintage aircraft are cool and all, but the reason they are not flying today is that advances in technology allow for better designs than the flying bricks of yesterday and the birder cages of the day before. Try offering these aircraft as 100% replicas for use in promotional gov't airshows.

OOC: Sorry, wasn't thinking straight then. I did mean pansy. Sorry. Price for Catalinas is $1,000,000.

It's "innovative" because few people would think to take old, proven designs, bring them into the new millenium with the updates needed, and then have a cheap air solution.

1. But what is the take-off distance of those craft? What is the role of them? The A.1 is designed for close range support, the M.1 Hammerhead is designed to fill a role like the P-3 Orion or the Nimrod.

2. Umm... no. There was a version made of the F-4U, called the AU-1, that had four 20mm cannon. Also, I said "modern construction." I.E. built with the advances in metallurgy (and composites) and construction over the intervening decades.

IC:
_Taiwan: Order confirmed.
Lodian Romastism: Pay the price listed, and we will.

New product will be released later today.

Bump- later today a MODERN aircraft will be put up for sale.

Introducing the F.1 Central!

This is the IDEAL fighter for your country, featuring the newest cutting edge technologies in aviation.

Compared to other modern aircraft, that F-1 has an awful payload. Most can carry 10-18,000lbs (1kg = 2.2lb) of ordinance.

OOC: Yes, but it is stealth- stealth aircraft have much lower payloads, since they need to hold it internally.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/f-22-specs.htm

The F-22 only holds 2,000 pounds. I could not find any other specifications for stealth aircraft.

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2) The original had six 0.50-in (12.7mm) machine guns plus two 1000 lb (454 Kg) bombs or eight 5-in (127mm) rockets. Yours has pretty much all of this except that you switch the six 0.50s for four 20mm. Do you have any idea how ungodly heavy and proportionally out of wack 20mm cannons are? An F-18 has only one, which takes up almost the entire nose! And you have four of them sitting in the wings? I'm sorry, but this goes a little far. Even with a 3000kW turboprop that Corsair isn't getting off the ground, much less moving anywhere.

ok. UNedited stats for the F-11F "Tiger" Fighter below;

Type Carrier based fighter
Accommodations Pilot only
Power plant One 7,450 lb s.t. Wright J65-W-18 turbojet with afterburner
Span 31 ft. 7.5 in;
Length 46 ft. 11.25 in,
height 13 ft 2.75 in,
wing area 250 sq ft
Weights Empty, 13,428 lb.; gross, 22,160 lb.
Max speed 750 mph at sea level
cruising speed 577 mph at 38,000
initial climb 5,130 ft/min.;
service ceiling 41,900 ft;
range 1,270 st. miles.
Armament Four fixed forward-firing 20 mm guns; four underwing Sidewinder 1A or 1C air-to-air missles.

OOC: Yes, but it is stealth- stealth aircraft have much lower payloads, since they need to hold it internally.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/f-22-specs.htm

The F-22 only holds 2,000 pounds. I could not find any other specifications for stealth aircraft.

now, secondly, my F-92 (with Active Stealth) carrys some 10,000 Pounds of Weapons (4 Exocet and 2 Taurus Missiles).

OOC: It must be larger than this, and ergo unable to be used in compact environments, like VTOL carriers. Stealth aircraft have to carry all bombs inside a bomb bay inside the plane.

OOC: It must be larger than this, and ergo unable to be used in compact environments, like VTOL carriers. Stealth aircraft have to carry all bombs inside a bomb bay inside the plane.

no. it is STO/VL and carrys it's 4 Exocet Missiles externaly, and 2 Taurus Missiles internally. and it is quite small. it has an Anti-Radar System.

OOC: So how is it the F22 can only carry 2000 pounds?

How can you say it's original if it's just old stuff in a new box.

OOC: You don't expect us to develop it out of nowhere, do you? We took what we learned from them.

ill take two f.1 centrals,thank