NationStates Jolt Archive

<<OOC: To make things easier for everyone, we're splitting the UnAPS-Allanea War into multiple threads as there are quite a few fronts to the war. This thread will encompass everything that is happening along the Allanean/Edolian Axackali border, as well as uprisings in Axackal and the fighting going on in Deriksburg. If you are not already involved in this conflict, DO NOT DO ANYTHING OR YOU WILL BE IGNORED. If you think that you should be involved, telegram myself and Allanea and give a damn good reason why we should let you in, because the war's already pretty
crowded.

Invited
Allanea
Allanea
Nahashir
Yallak
Artista
Indon

UnAPS
All UnAPS nations
Credonia
The Atheists Reality

Except for those nations, there shall be no one (NO ONE) on this thread. Again, telegram Allanea and myself if you want to be invited.

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Let's just do a quick overview of Allanean and Edolian assets on the battlefront and behind. Since this technically encompasses three mini-fronts (the border war, the Battle of Deriksburg and the Axackali uprising), I'll list assets seperately. For the sake of ease, I shant be listing forces by Legion and will instead give full numbers.

Note that these include casualties taken IC later in this thread.
The Front
396,139 Infantry: Fully Mechanized
51,836 Infantry: Helicopter Mechanized
64,000 Marines: Fully Mechanized
19,200 Imperial Legionaries: Fully Mechanized
12,800 Special Operations Legionaries: Fully Mechanized
5,199 B-1 Imperium Unmanned MBTs
1,280 B-1 Imperium Unmanned Amphibious MBTs
4,738 MD-3 Manticore MBTs
3,828 CD-3 Cobra Tank Killers
13,471 H-2 Hoplite 90mm Light Howitzers
7,280 H-2 Hoplite 140mm Light Howitzers
2,424 H-3 Heavy Hoplite 180mm Howitzer
2,696 H-3/U Heavy Hoplite 200mm Long Range Howitzer
9,036 Hyena-2 Mobile Missile Launch Systems
4,921 Hyena-3 Mobile Missile Launch Systems
8,990 Echidna-5 Mobile SAM Batteries
3,231 Echdna-7 Mobile Long Range SAM Batteries
3,189 G2/U Gryphon Unmanned Helicopter Gunships

3,827 YT/A-2 Hellion Fighter/Interceptors
3,869 YT/A-3 Hellion Fighter/Bombers
1,915 BX/f-25 “Barking Gerbil” Fighter Support Planes
1,810 Assorted Support (Recon, Early Warning, Electronic Warfare) Fighters
1,122 RX-12 Roc Unmanned Heavy Stealth Bombers
1,612 TB-21 Light Stealth Bombers


Deriksburg
12,000 Urban Combat Infantry: Fully Mechanized
15,102 Infantry: Helicopter Mechanized
19,126 Police Officers
364 Elite Urban Red Palace Guard Forces
321 G2/U Helicopter Gunships


Throughout the Rest of Axackal
16,000 Infantry: Fully Mechanized
8,000 Infantry: Helicopter Mechanized

The OOC Thread (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=140802&highlight=)>>

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The War Room was full. The Imperator sat at the head of a long, ebony table, flanked by his top military advisors. Normally, such meetings would be rare. Lately, however, it seemed that such meetings were going on constantly. As reports continued to come in, the Imperator insisted on being on top of the situation. “Alright. Brief me.” The Imperator nodded towards Thomas von Leifric, the Secretary of War.
“Things are getting hot, comrades. We’ve just repelled a major Allanean assault on our forces. But we’ve taken heavy casualties. Some 40,000 troops dead and nearly every single tank we had destroyed. Allanean special forces troops have been striking at our artillery from behind as well. We’ve lost quite a bit of equipment in that regard. A few thousand systems knocked out.” The Secretary winced. “And a lot more if we don’t do something about it.” The Imperator nodded.
“What about our reinforcements?” Von Leifric smiled.
“I was just getting to the good news sir. Our reinforcements are arriving now and are immediately reinforcing the lines. Allanea’s warbiker troops and helicopters are under heavy fire from both sides. They will be hard-pressed to survive on the highways and wont make any speed off-road, not against our armored troops and helicopters certainly. Some 40,000 troops and some five hundred helicopters have engaged them, coming from all directions. All are mobile.”
“Excellent. What of the penal battalion attack?”
“They haven’t gone after us yet. But they’re massive these forces on the Northern part of the lines. About two million of these bastards.”
“I assume that we’ve deployed extra anti-personnel to that area?”
“Yes sir. We’ve got about 1,000 light transport ‘copters up there, along with about 2,000 combat ‘copters and another 500 heavier transports. That’s enough miniguns to tear them apart before they can reach our lines. Along with ground-based miniguns –not to mention our grenade launchers and normal rifle fire, I don’t expect that many of their melee fighters will reach our lines, especially with another four million Scandavian troops arriving at the front.”
“Keep me informed.”

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The Edolian reinforcements were arriving. All along the front, hard-pressed Edolian troops were finding fresh soldiers, eager to get into the fight. However, not all the new legions were arriving at the front. The IV Imperial and I Mobile Strike Legions were being deployed all over Axackal to help put down a rebellion that seemed to be beginning, fueled by Allanean propaganda. The IV Urban Assault Legion was being re-routed to assist in the defense of Deriksburg. Nevertheless, the vast majority of Edolia’s armies were now fighting some twenty kilometers from the Allanean border.

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Tammy Delawar looked over her shoulder. Behind her, some fifty other armed Axackalis trudged through the forests outside of Deriksburg. They were all farmers and most of them had grown up on the tales their parents had told them of the War. Goddamn Edolians she thought. What right do these communist bastards have, coming into our land? “Is anything the matter, Tammy?” The Axackali guerilla leader spun around.
“No, Jim. I’m fine. Just thinking about killing Edolians.”
“Aren’t we all?” Jim Hepson thought for a second. “What do you think life will be like once Axackali is Allanean again?” Tammy didn’t need to think.
“Better. We wont be working for the government anymore, for one. And we’ll be able to own cars, and guns… and build our houses as large as we want!” Jim nodded.
“And our churches wont have to pay taxes.” Tammy smiled at him.
“No point in talking about it now though. Let’s worry about fixing the Edolians first.” She turned to one of the guides behind her. “How long ‘till we reach Deriksburg?”
“Another hour or so, Miss.” She nodded. Like the others, she had only very limited experience with guns –they weren’t exactly easy to get a hold of in Edolian Axackal- but she was looking forward to getting to work liberating her people.

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Deriksburg was a mess. All around the city, burned-out vehicles littered the streets. The capital city of Axackal had seen much better days. Its hundred story skyscrapers loomed majestically against the sunset like always. But now, the sounds of gunfire could be heard as Edolia’s legions battled with Allanean invaders. Many of the city’s sky rail lines and upper walkways had been destroyed to keep the Allaneans from advancing quickly. Some subways had been collapsed as well, for the same reason. Nevertheless, Edolian troops weren’t too worried about the Allaneans. Deriksburg, built in the style of all Edolian cities, was almost all vertical. Covering very little land-area for a city of its size –five million Axackalis claimed Deriksburg as their home. However, its skyscrapers made it difficult for an advancing army to do much –especially if they were under orders to keep civilian casualties minimal. Edolian troops recognized this and waited the Allaneans out. Troopers used upper-level walkways and subways to stage raids on Allanean forces, or just sniped at the Allaneans from upper-story windows. There was no question about it: Edolians had the advantage here; well-ordered cities like Deriksburg being their native habitat. Currently, the strategy was simple: Keep the enemy from advancing further into the city with booby-traps, snipers and well-placed raids, and wait for them to run out of supplies. With Edolia holding air superiority over Axackal so firmly, there would be little the Allaneans could do to get more supplies in to Deriksburg, or to get their troops out. Nevertheless, as pro-Allanean rebels flocked to Deriksburg, Allanea’s forces were being slowly bolstered by rebels, eager to aid in the destruction of the hated Edolia. So far, some two thousand men and women had arrived in Axackal. What use they would be –most of them had never even held a gun in their lives- was debatable.

<<OOC: A point about Deriksburg. Like all Edolian cities, it is extremely regular, made up of 110 story skyscrapers, each covering a large city block. There are roads running in between them, but as cars are illegal, they are rather narrow. Citizens get around either by using the indoor-moving sidewalks, which go down under the streets, or they use the over-head walkways or the four subway systems. This is obviously useful information for roleplaying a battle in such an environrment.>

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Albert von Tusk’s command bunker was bustling as men scurried around, monitoring reports as they came in from the front. “Sir! The Allanean penal brigades are attacking!”
“Sir! We have reports of heavy fighting in Deriksburg!”
“Guerilla forces striking at Edolian supply lines!” The war was going… interestingly. The general nodded. “I want guards increased along our supply lines and more aggressive action taken against guerillas. Keep helicopter patrols heavy. Furthermore, impose a full curfew throughout the province. No one out past eight o’clock.”
“A wise move sir.”
“Thank you.” Von Tusk dipped his head. “As to Deriksburg, we’re going to hold the line. It’s not anything to be worried about. And order our forces fighting the penal battalions to coordinate with Scandavian forces. We’ll kill every single one of them.”

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The waves of criminals seemed endless. As they made their way across the ten kilometers or so of no-man’s land, a massive barrage of artillery opened up on them. As some 10,000 howitzers, along with another 3,500 MLRSs roared to life, it seemed to the Edolian troops that all the demons of hell were screaming over their heads. However, the bombardment was not random. The front lines of the Allanean forces were targeted first, sowing destruction and chaos and thousands of missiles and tens of thousands of shells burst in among the tightly-packed penal ranks. The artillery and MLRSs fired in waves, keeping an almost constant barrage against the Allaneans. As Edolian recon planes flew over-head, information was constantly fed back to the artillery. There was no way the Allaneans were going to escape the Edolian barrage. Edolian planes, ready for the strike, began their own campaign, but saved their missiles, instead preferring to come down in waves, strafing the Allanean lines with their 30mm Vulcan cannons. Some 3,000 Edolian fighters were engaged in this practice. In the meantime, 450 RX-12 Roc heavy stealth bombers and 600 TB-21 light stealth bombers carpet-bomb the Allanean lines, using mostly dumb bombs. The combined firepower of these forces is some 27,000 kilotons of ordnance –most of it incendiary or in the form of cluster bombs.

In the mean-time, the approximately 4,000 Edolian tanks newly-deployed to this stretch of the battlefield are being moved closer to the front lines, to assist infantry. Rifle-launched hand grenades are being readied by forces all along the lines. As soon as the Allaneans come into view –probably at about half a kilometer away, Edolian forces will begin shooting and once they come within full range, grenades will be fired. In the meantime, miniguns and anti-personnel rockets are released in a storm and helicopters begin opening up…

These devastating attacks were only those of the Edolians however. With the newly-arrived Scandavian troops, Allanea’s penal forces had almost no chance to even reach the lines, let alone inflict major casualties… Axackal had suddenly become much bloodier.

<<OOC: Wait for SS to post his troops actions before you do anything next. His troops will most likely have a lot to say about this…>>

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Imperial Edict 216-A
Edolia is hereby placed under a state of total war. Ten trillion additional dollars are to be allocated to the construction of military equipment, especially missiles and bombs. Furthermore, a total of two million, two hundred thousand Scarlet Army Reservists are to be called up over the next week and re-deployed to Axackal via the Scandavian States. The other seven million, eight hundred thousand will remain on high alert and can be called up at any time.

Secret Addendum
The production of 26,000 liters of VX Nerve Gas has been approved by the War Council. These chemical weapons mark the first ever construction of non-nuclear weapons of mass destruction by the Scarlet Empire. As of yet, there are no plans to use them.

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Casualties From Most Recent Attacks
32,102 Infantry: Fully Mechanized
7,121 Infantry: Helicopter Mechanized
2,962 B-1 Imperium Unmanned MBTs
2,878 MD-3 Manticore MBTs
802 CD-3 Cobra Tank Killers
60 H-2 Hoplite 90mm Light Howitzers
375 H-2 Hoplite 140mm Light Howitzers
626 H-3 Heavy Hoplite 180mm Howitzer
331 H-3/U Heavy Hoplite 200mm Long Range Howitzer
727 Hyena-2 Mobile Missile Launch Systems
354 Hyena-3 Mobile Missile Launch Systems
313 Echidna-5 Mobile SAM Batteries
312 Echdna-7 Mobile Long Range SAM Batteries
307 G2/U Gryphon Unmanned Helicopter Gunships

125 YT/A-2 Hellion Fighter/Interceptors
111 YT/A-3 Hellion Fighter/Bombers
54 BX/f-25 “Barking Gerbil” Fighter Support Planes
28 Assorted Support (Recon, Early Warning, Electronic Warfare) Fighters
13 RX-12 Roc Unmanned Heavy Stealth Bombers
16 TB-21 Light Stealth Bombers

OOC: Alright, I'm asking again and now that this is a new thread...

What is going on on this front?

OOC: Alright, I'm asking again and now that this is a new thread...

What is going on on this front?
<<OOC: Everyone is going to be making a recap of their forces and the situation. Hold on and you'll see exactly what is happening.>>

I think I recalled my forces in the Axackal area after Phyrric dropped a nuke on friendly territory. If not, I'm announcing that I did :).

On the Axackal front

500 000 infantry
350 APC's
700 'Demon' Heavy tanks
450 TD 'Avenger' tanks

The Imperial Army is placing 5 battalions - 250 000 infantry - +200 Heavy tanks under Allanean command

I'll help out Allanea by re-posting what he posted in the main thread here... This is quite relevant.

Nothing new in this post re: troop positions, just clarification...


In the Allanean positions
Johnson swore as he ripped himself out of the injured Volk AFV.

"Can we get the thing moving, Cap'n?" - he asked

"Not in the closest time, Privae Johnson" - answered Captain Smith, a tall, moustached man whose chest was covered with medals from previous wars.

"S___t. So what happens now?"

"After those latest attacks, we have about 2.7 million left, not including those darn Penal Battalions, and it's only that many because the militia are in it."


"Total s___t. To how many Edolians? "

"Screw the Edolians. The Scndavians are sending in some large amount of reservists in... about three million, to kick our soft, armored a$$."

"Any [I]good[./I] news on the radio-waves?"

The captain smiles. "Well, Illek-Vaad has bailed out of the war. Phyrric has acted in the best UNAPs fashion, and attacked his own, again. The Island States Marine Corps is now cut off in Allanea, and rumour has it that they're planning to retreat. Whatever's left from Iron Blood forces is coming in to help us, and so are tanks from Artitsa and Indon. And, for the real good news, we're done with this old-fashioned mass attack stupidity."

"What do you mean Cap'n?" - asked Johnson, livening up.

"What I mean is we're switching into offensive guerrila mode. Divvy up in small groups, and conduct hit-and-run attacks on the stupid Edolian pedophiliacs."

"Yes, Sir!" - Johnson barks out.

An hour later, somewhere next to Edolia's positions

"You see that small building over there?" - asks Smith,

"Yes, Sir!"

"Wel, it's an Edolian field outhouse. And a second ago, I just saw an Edolian walk in and he wasn't wearing his personal armour either.

Johnson smiles as he pulls the trigger on his grenade launcher.


In Deriksburg

The Raysian Arms Flamechucker-type flamethrower wakes up to life, swiping the dark, narrow corridor with liquid fire, turning two Edolian police officers into living torches.
Michael looks at them with a smile until they stop twitching - then kicks the exit door open, ready to shoot at the enemy... but he sees no enemy.
Instead, he sees dozens of Axackalians, arms in hand, advancing through the street. He waves his flamethrower in greeting.
"Hello, boys and girls!"
One of the Axackalans, obviously a leader, waves his gun in greeting.
"Freedom lives! Can I be led to whoever is your commander
After half an hour, the first ever Axackal-Allanea strategy conference begins.
"What we want you to do, " says the Allanean general, "Is hit those pedophilic gun-grabbing commies were they're soft: supply lines, non-combat troops, railway tracks - cutting the one's going to Scandavian States would be excellent. If anybody can bring in more supplies, we'll be most helpful."
"Yes, sir."

A few hours later, a poster starts appearing in Deriksburg and other Axackal towns.

http://allanea.tripod.com/UNAPS.JPG

[B]Penal Battalions positions [/B

Thousands, nay dozens of thousands are dead. The latest Edolian attack has obliterated about 200,000 people,. but those carrying weapons are already within range. The AK-47's marked "Bisonic Arms industies" kick to life, peppering the Edolian poistions with lead - just as Iron Blood artillery pounds the defenders.

(OOC: Forces in Axackal:


75,000 infantry (with 5,000 combat vehicles)
1,750 B-1 Imperium Tanks
650 Paladin Howitzer systems
600 DTS-2 Missile systems
250 Manticore II tanks
250 Comanche Helicopters

3,000 YT-Hellions
1,500 F-117x's
1,500 Roc heavy bombers


Current orders/positions:

20,000 infantry and all tanks & helicopters currently meeting with Edolian forces. Artillery is shelling Allanean positions. 50,000 other infantry are moving to support Edolia. The remaining 5,000 infantry are dug in with the aritllery and with the missile systems.)

*awaits Scandavian post*

Recap of Austarian Forces Involved

Ground

3 500 000 X Infantry
500 000 X Special Forces
1200 X M-26UM Main Battle Tank
500 X M109A6 Paladin Self Propelled Howitzer
50 X Patriot Anti-Missile Systems

Air

600 X AV8B Harrier
50 X F-15E Strike Eagle
520 X F/A-18 Hornet
Secret project Within 7 Days
20 X B-1 Lancer Bomber
400 X AH64A Apache Attack Helicopter

Sea

30 X Akila Class Submarine (with cattapillar engine)
Various Assortmant of Secret Devices

Logistics

Relevant Logistics Vehicles, including transport, command etc.


As the secret weapon continues to pour into Scandinavian States, General Richards had been transported to the troop positions inside Scandinavian States.

It was his norm to give a message to his troops before they were led into battle, only this one, was given at the last minute. Once he had finished giving the speeches, he would head back to Austarian Military Outpost.

"Brothers and Sisters of the Republic!", he began. The Crowd instantly went silent, "I am calling upon YOU, to fight these Allaneans. We have superior tactics, superior power, superior EVERYTHING. NOW, we go to Axackal, where our allies have fallen. TODAY, WE WIN THE WAR!"

With that, the crowd erupted into estasicty, as moral was at an all time high.

The General stood at attention, and the troops before him followed suit, "Brothers, Sisters, TO WAR!"

Right on queue, a barrage of bombers and fighters flew past overhead, heading in the general direction of Axackal. Within hours, the Austarians were racing into the east of Axackal in waves...

OOC: Even though I have left UnAPS, I was a member when this thread was created, so I am assuming that im still invited ;)

And those forces listed above had been all stationed in Scandinavian States ;)

Nothing in the papers would suggest a movement into the war zone - not even a small classified-type article. However, the Taiwan Tabloid reports that "New anti-matter bomb sent to Haven", in small text underneath a 3-page article on David Beckham's affair.

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Secret IC:
New Taiwanese military forces sent into theatre.

45 Shang-Zhou class SSGNs
15 Virginia class attack subs

Allanean Government Official Advertisment [/I]

Today, due to the unfortunate fact that enemy troops on the Axackal front are about to outnumber our nation, we intend to do what we can to strengthen our defenses. The 1,600,000 miliiiamen we previously recruited and kept be hind the lined. Moreover, we intend, under the provisions of the Presidential War Powers Act 456-X-GH, to recruit about 500,000 Boy Scouts aged 16-18 and transfer them to the front. These, combined with the 500 Indonian tanks and 1,000 Artitsan tanks that we were keeping behind lines will soon arrive at the front and prove the downfal of the UNAPS aggressors.

We are also happy to announce the arrival of 10,000 Volk IFV's sent to us by Iron Blood. Those vehicles will be used, once they arrive in Axackal, to re-equip some of our infantry.


[B]300 km away from the Axackal shoreline

The 8 Medved missile battleships and 6 TAMD's positioned in the area by Artitsa long before the start of the warfare slowly turn towards Axackal.

A tall, moustached man in Artitsan naval uniform waves his hand. "FIRE!"

100 Yakhont-4 missiles streak out through the evening sky, flying towards the Edolian positions, sowing death, suffering and destruction wherever they hit.

3,000 km away from Axackal

A rag-tag bomber flotilla, composed 100 B-52 planes, 50 TU-160's and 200 TU-22M's flies towards the Axackal border. They have no fighter escort, but it doesn't matter -the pilots know they will not be endangered.
They are carrying lomh-range AS-19 missiles, with a range of 4,000 km. So, as the planes are within ome thousand kilometers away from Axackal, they can already launch their deadly cargo - 1,000 AS-19 missiles - at Edolian troops within Axackal.

"Nifty thing, that Bisonic tech!" - comments a bomber pilot, pressing a button that condemns hundreds of Edolians to violent, painful death...

Axackal Front

Offensive guerrila warfare continues against enemy forces. Small units of Allaneans molest enemy forces day and night, all the while while distributing anti-Edolian and anti-UNAPS propaganda.

OOC: Yes, Artitsa allowed me to control these ships, back in the Exercise thread

Capo della Repubblica, (Senate Building)
Sicilia, Agrigento
__________________________________

While the ancient platform upon which he stood rose several feet from its sunken foundation, the diminutive President Mario Corleone was almost lost in the crowd, and if it wasn't for the tremendous monitors previously erected it would have been nearly impossible to identify him. Nonetheless the President himself had called the people of Agrigento together here, and now, live on television stations across the region, as well as in public, he prepared to address a troubled nation and its stalwart citizens. Flanking him were the usual suspects: his wife of 40 years, Joesphina, as well as Vice President Maria Sossetto, and important members of both their staffs. Clearing his throat and peering over the podium, he began to speak, in the melodious, and charismatic voice that helped assure him his current office. The same voice that had eased the people through so many past crises, and the same fatherly voice that had nurtured the growing democracy of his beloved nation. It could be said of the people of Agrigento that they love 3 things: Life, their Country, and their President. Almost all of them would follow him into hell, and this time, many might just have to.

"Greetings, it is with a heavy-heart, and a restless mind that I speak to you today. For over 12 years, you have followed me, and for over 12 years, I have asked things of you, what some said impossible, and over those 12 years you have never, ever let your country down. Today, I ask you one more thing, one request that may seem to make even the most difficult task appear easy. I, nay, We", he said, pausing to look around and gesture to the key government figures who stood around him, "ask you to stay strong, to give your lives, and your livelihood to your country. I understand this is not, by any stretch, an easy thing for you to give, so I find it imperative to tell you what exactly we are fighting for, and why we have become so embattled over such a controversial issue that may appear distant. Let me tell you, it is not distant, but nearer to us than the clothing on our backs.

"My friends, my brothers and sisters, Agrigentians, You know too well the lessons of our past, and you know too well the dramatic effects of forced government, of aggression, and of imperialist acts of war. You have watched the motherland, Sicily, being conquered, subjugated and plundered from afar for centuries. You have also watched our neighbors, and greatest allies, East Islandia suffer, at the hands of western imperialism upon their impoverished homelands. We cannot, and must not stand by, we cannot and must not rest, even as our one-time alliances in this great battle abandon us, and leave. We must and cannot stop fighting. For it is not just the people of haven we are fighting for, but rather the hearts and minds of freedom loving people across the globe. It is with a burden, that no person should ever bear, that I further commit our troops, our sons and daughters to war in Axackal, against an entrenched, and determined ally, whom we once counted as one of our closest friends. Today, we have set in motion the wheels of war, and where they stop, we cannot say, but there is one thing I am absolutely sure of, and that is that you, the people of Agrigento will never stop fighting, will never stop struggling and will never, ever give up.

"Today we are at war, and we will be for many more tomorrows. Impossible is not a fact, it is purely an opinion, and we will pass through hell, but will arrive, in ultimate certainty, victorious! It shall not be said, that there was a task the nation of Agrigento could not accomplish, when given proper effort. So now, I must bid you well, and ask that you pray not only for the safety of our own soldiers, who have embarked upon a most righteous conflict, but for the safety of our allies from the north - for the safety and strength of the UnAPS."


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State of Agrigentian Military Forces on the Axackal Front

Ground Forces
Auxillary Operational Maneuver Group:
5 Mechanized Infantry Divisions (Marine)
3 Armored Divisions (Marine)

First Combat Operational Maneuver Group :
8 Mechanized Infantry Divisions (6 Army, 2 Marine)
5 Armored Divisions (4 Army, 1 Marine)
6 Airborne Divisions (Army)

Second Operational Maneuver Group:
10 Mechanized Infantry Divisions (Army)
5 Armored Divisions (Army)
5 Airborne Divisions (Army)

Third Operational Maneuver Group:
8 Mechanized Infantry Divisions (Army & Marines)
4 Armored Divisions (Army & Marines)
4 Airborned Divisions (Army)
2 Specialized Urban Assault Divisions (2nd & 3rd Specialized Divisions, Marines)*


Air Power
33th Air Wing Cieli Scuri (TPDI):
8 Squadrons of EF-2000's
5 Squadrons of Drago 3000's
4 Squadrons of Giavellotto 3000's
3 Squadrons of VC-27A Parthian ITRG's
2 Squadrons of F-15Z Aquila's
2 Fantasma Special Operations: Foward Aircraft
Several Support Squadrons, a Command Squadron, and 2 Tanker squadrons

31st Air Wing Tuono di Erebus (TPDI Zone):
8 Squadrons of EF-2000's
5 Squadrons of Drago 3000's
4 Squadrons of F-15Z Aquila's
3 Squadrons of Giavellotto 3000's
2 Fantasma Special Operations: Forward Aircraft
Several Support Squadrons, a Command Squadron, and 2 Tanker Squadrons

29th Air Wing Fornello
8 Squadrons of EF-2000's
4 Squadrons of Drago 3000's
4 Squadrons of Giavellotto 3000's
4 Squadrons of VC-27A Parthian ITRG's
3 Squadrons of F-15Z Aquila's
2 Fantasma Special Operations: Foward Aircraft
Several Support Squadrons, a Command Squadron, and 2 Tanker squadrons

27th Air Wing Corsaro
8 Squadrons of EF-2000's
5 Squadrons of F-15Z Aquila's
4 Squadrons of Drago 3000's
4 Squadrons of Giavellotto 3000's
3 Squadrons of VC-27A Parthian ITRG's
Several Support Squadrons, a Command Squadron, and 2 Tanker squadrons

25th Air Wing Foriero
8 Squadrons of EF-2000's
5 Squadrons of Drago 3000's
4 Squadrons of Giavellotto 3000's
4 Squadrons of F-15Z Aquila's
2 Squadrons of VC-27A Parthian ITRG's
2 Fantasma Special Operations: Foward Aircraft
Several Support Squadrons, a Command Squadron, and 2 Tanker squadrons

26th Bomber Wing Martello di Dio
9 Squadrons of Br-23 Grizzly Bear Long Range Stealth Bombers
5 Squadrons of DF-1 Dragonfly Ultra Long Range Strategic Bombers
4 Squadrons of EF-2000's
2 Squadrons of Fantasma Special Operations: Forward Aircraft
Several Support Squadrons, a Command Squadron and 2 Tanker squadrons

28th Bomber Wing Fuoco dell'inferno
8 Squadrons of Br-23 Grizzly Bear Long Range Stealth Bombers
6 Squadrons of DF-1 Dragonfly Ultra Long Range Strategic Bombers
4 Squadrons of EF-2000's
2 Squadrons of Fantasma Special Operations: Forward Aircraft
Several Support Squadrons, a Command Squadron and 2 Tanker squadrons

Breakdown:
12,000 men in a Division
divided into 4 Brigades

1 Light Brigade
1 Heavy Brigade
1 Support Brigade
1 Aviation Brigade

3 Battalions in a Brigade
5 Companies in a Battalion


12 Aircraft make-up a Squadron


Totals

Ground Forces:
456,000 - Second Deployment
324,000 - Original Deployment
780,000 - Total Deployment




* Specialized Divisions are under the Jurisdicition of Special Operations Command

As Austarian Forces roar across Eastern Axackal, Commander Robert Pearl was writing up an email to General Richards. It read:

"Dear General Richards,

Austarian Forces are doing better than expected. We have come under very little resistance since we entered into Axackal, and already, our forces occupy and control a large portion of the area. If there are Allaneans out there, we will destroy them all, one by one until they have little choice but to surrender.

At the moment, I am 200km into Axackal, and pushing FAST and DEEPER into Axackal. Our goal is to cover as much terrain as possible. I dont think we will get too much Allanean resistance just yet, but im sure we will as soon as our forces stop to combat them.

Reporting from Axackal Sir,
Commander Pearl"

As Austarian Forces roar across Eastern Axackal, Commander Robert Pearl was writing up an email to General Richards. It read:

"Dear General Richards,

Austarian Forces are doing better than expected. We have come under very little resistance since we entered into Axackal, and already, our forces occupy and control a large portion of the area. If there are Allaneans out there, we will destroy them all, one by one until they have little choice but to surrender.

At the moment, I am 200km into Axackal, and pushing FAST and DEEPER into Axackal. Our goal is to cover as much terrain as possible. I dont think we will get too much Allanean resistance just yet, but im sure we will as soon as our forces stop to combat them.

Reporting from Axackal Sir,
Commander Pearl"

OOC: Lost my post to the server, so in short, my forces arrive.

Axackal Front

Trucks and schoolbuses roar as thousands and thousands of militiamen and boy scouts arrive at the front.
Everywhere, firing positions are camouflaged and readied.

Sergei Leonov is the first Allanean boyscout to earn himself glory that day. He is the first man to see, through the expensive Leupold scope on his target, an approaching Austar infantryman. Sergein catches the man in his sights for a moment and pulls a trigger - making a by-the-book 700-yards shot. Soon, the place lights up with fire, as shots are fired from every possible spot. The newly-arrived army begins an advance, supported by 1,000 Artitsan tanks, 3,500 GT-4 Heavy infantry fighting vehicles., 500 IF Volks and 1,000 VO-100M's. The Jay August Volunteer Army takes many losses. Withing the first 8 hours of fighting, 60,000 are dead.

Sergei dies, too, crawling on the ground with pain, crying as two Austar bullets tear through innards. He clutches his rifle with the knuckle-whitening grip of a dying man, and whispers "Mom... are you there... it's so cold, Mommu...".
Then he lies silent, with the grey sky of the battlefield reflecting in the wide-open eyes of a sixteen-year old.

OOC:
Allied forces in Axackal


Militiamen+ BoyScouts: 3,500,000 (Newly arrived = 1,900,000, aka Volunteer Army)
Regular Troops: 1,400,000
Yallak Troops (Controlled by Yallak): 500,000
1000 Artitsan tanks
500 Indon tanks and 1,000 infantrymen
80,000 IFV's
15,000 Scout Troops and Warbikers in the Edolian rear.

Remnant of Iron Blood Shock Army

2,000 T-7 Gilgamesh tanks
3,500 GT-4 heavy infantry fighting vehicles
500 IFV Volks
It will take me some time to detail aall the vehicles, unfortunately
3,500 GT-4 heavy infantry fighting vehicles
1,000 VO-100M heavy APC's (100mm gun and 30mm coaxial gun, 4x4 whelled vehie, amphibious)
350 MSTA-S self propelled artillery systems
2,500 various 152mm towed artillery guns (SHOCK army)

5:42 AM, 200Km inland, Axackal Front

The noise of 500 120mm tank barrels shook the ground in the relative silence of the morning. After spending all night forming up and moving into position, the Heavy Tanks finally roared into action, pumelling the Austarian position for over an hour.
With the bombardment slowly moving further away from General Caracas, he signalled the infantry forward, 3 battalions - 150 000 men, 150 Medium tanks and 350 APC's advanced towards the enemy using the continuing tank attack as a shield.
Barely heard over noise, yet another supply convoy arrived with ammunition and 3 squadrons of C62 Naval bombers, 2 of A-10A Thunderbolt II's, with escort, flew over to raid any clusters of Austarians

Austarian Forces >> Axackal

The Austarian army in Axackal, naturally organised into seperate Platoons, automatically take cover as they are fired upon by enemy positions, and begin firing back. Already, eight hours into battle, 563 Austarians are considered to be dead.

In the skies above the frontline, Austarian fighters and bombers begin to fire on Allanean and Yallak Tanks. Helicoptors help cover the Infantry Divisions, and aim their attacks at Allanean Infantry Pockets. With high air superiority in Axackal, they encounter little resistance.

As Austarian Troops fire upon the seemingly exposed Allanean forces, Heavy Tanks roll onto the battlefield, firing into anywhere the Allanean Infantry has gathered in reasonble number, moving independantly throughout the battlefield.

Some 15 kilometers away from the frontline, Austarian Howitzers begin firing selectively on Yallak and Allanean Tanks.

As the Main Infantry Divisions continue to fight the Allaneans, the Special Forces Divisions work on keeping their locations secret, slowly moving through the Allanean ranks.

As Austarian moral continues to rise, it seems as if they are slowly pushing west into Axackal. This was the Austarians first taste in battle, and already, they were doing relitavely well.

Secret Locations in Allanean Waters (NE Coast)

As the Austarian Akila Class Submarines (cattapillar design) slip silently into Allanean waters, they begin firing on Allanean Ports, as to take out the Allanean Naval Capabilities Completly.

OOC: how many planes have you got??

300 X AV8B Harrier
25 X F-15E Strike Eagle
260 X F/A-18 Hornet
5 X B-1 Lancer Bomber
200 X AH64A Apache Attack Helicopter


These are the air forces you can consider being used in the above counter-attack. Full statistics listed above ;)

As the Austarians begin to counter attack, the Yallakian bomber escort (72 F-22's and 100 F-14's) peels off into the attack, AIM-120 missles filling the sky, several targets eliminated in the first few minutes.

On the ground, with the heavy tank bombardment ended because of danger from artillery, infantry begin to cover and prepare for a drawn out fight, stinger missles fending off any helicopters, anti tank rockets defending them from armour.

With the appearance of the enemy heavy tanks, the 24 A-10A Thunderbolt II's dive down their depleted unanium bullets, slicing through enemy armour, 36 naval bombers dropping their loads in Austarian platoons.

With the fall back of the heavy tanks, General Caracas ordered all reserve medium tanks (300) to attack on the right hitting the Austarian flank.

Losses so far:
622 inf
9 f-22's
14 f-14's
3 C62's
18 Heavy tanks
12 medium tanks

As the Austarians begin to counter attack, the Yallakian bomber escort (72 F-22's and 100 F-14's) peels off into the attack, AIM-120 missles filling the sky, several targets eliminated in the first few minutes.

On the ground, with the heavy tank bombardment ended because of danger from artillery, infantry begin to cover and prepare for a drawn out fight, stinger missles fending off any helicopters, anti tank rockets defending them from armour.

With the appearance of the enemy heavy tanks, the 24 A-10A Thunderbolt II's dive down their depleted unanium bullets, slicing through enemy armour, 36 naval bombers dropping their loads in Austarian platoons.

With the fall back of the heavy tanks, General Caracas ordered all reserve medium tanks (300) to attack on the right hitting the Austarian flank.

Losses so far:
622 inf
9 f-22's
14 f-14's
3 C62's
18 Heavy tanks
12 medium tanks

As the battle continues on, Commander Pilkes takes cover as a shell passes overhead, "Dammit Ensign! They're attempting to flank on our right! I want you to secure the area!"

As orders are passed out, some 50 Fighter-Bombers peel off to drop onto the flanking medium tanks. 200 M-26UM Main Battle Tanks also head towards the area on the right flank, taking caution to fire before being fired upon. As a large volley of explosions begin on the right coming from enemy positions, the Austarian Infantry slowly presses forward into the Yallak positions, still taking care to give themselves sufficient cover.

As the frontline presses forward into the enemy, the backlines of Austarian Troops began moving up to strengthen their position. Their job at the moment was to aid the frontline in holding the ground they had already gained, and to prevent their ranks from being broken.

Back, some 5km further amongst Austarian ranks, some 3000 Stinger Missiles are launched and aimed at Yallak air forces in combat over the main battlefield. Mobile SAM units were also being activated, firing a large volly of missiles into selected areas where enemy infantry were most concentrated.

Overhead the battle, Fighter-Bombers continue to race over enemy positions, aiming mostly at concrentrated enemy forces.

In the meantime, the Special Forces divisions continue sneaking deeper amongst enemy ranks, and begin spreading off onto the left flank.

OOC: I hope my RPing is OK for you, im not that experienced in war like situations, so I apoligize if im a bit unclear...

Losses:
482 Infantry
12 X AV8B Harrier
1 X F-15E Strike Eagle
6 X F/A-18 Hornet
3 X AH64A Apache Attack Helicopter
31 X M-26UM Main Battle Tanks

As the Volunteer Brigade marches on towards Deriksburg, leaving 67 burned out tanks and 456 dead militiamen behind, sudden cries of joy are heard all along the battlefield.

"What is this?"

"Tar-Kerillion sent us about 2 million troops. Some of them got stuck on the rails on the way here, but we still have 1,800,000 troops coming to aid us."

"Yeah!"

The 1,800,000 troops pour in from the right (southern) side of the front.
Now, the Volunteer Army advances through the north and the Tar-Kerillion troops on the south.

The Allanean Regulars on the central part of the front begin falling back slowly, again pulling together into larger units instead of the guerrilla units they used formerly.

As the battle continues on, back in the Austar Union, the generals were happy still, despite that their forces were mainly centarlised within Axackal.

Back on the battlefield, the 3000 strong SAM units begin immediatly firing upon the troops recently sent towards the South, sending 5 missiles per SAM unit. Fighters engaging Yallak forces immediatly turned South towards the new troops. Within the hour, they had immediatly begun firing upon them. As the Allaneans had little airpower, they encountered very little ariel resistance, and were able to claim much destruction amongst Allanean Positions.

Behind the frontlines, troops who were holding the already claimed ground began to recieve new orders. Turning southward, some 1 000 000 strong infantry completed their mobilizations, and began to fight guerilla style against the oncoming troops, laying traps, obsticles, and generally everything that could help slow the oncoming troops. Hiding throughout the landscape, they were virtually undetactable as they lie in wait.

In the central of Axackal, the Austarian troops continued to push forward as the Allaneans and Yallakians fell back faster and faster. The Austarians were begining to gain some momentum, and helicoptors began to focus their attacks deeper into the Allanean and Yallak Reserves.

In the north, the Volunteer Brigade were generally unnoposed, except for the tanks and fighter/bombers which had been sent their earlier, who were still aiming their attacks at any pockets of troops.

In the meantime, back in Scandinavian States, a further set of aircraft began to takeoff and were sent to counter the troops in the South.


New Aircraft being Sent towards the South
300 X AV8B Harrier
25 X F-15E Strike Eagle
260 X F/A-18 Hornet
200 X AH64A Apache Attack Helicopter

Total Aircraft now in the South of Axackal
550 X AV8B Harrier
50 X F-15E Strike Eagle
400 X F/A-18 Hornet
250 X AH64A Apache Helcopter

Troops: 1 000 000

All aircraft are now firing upon enemy troop pockets in the South. The troops are hiding amongst the landcape, virtually indetectable be enemy troops.

An hour into the battle in the South, the Austarian Airforce had been doing surprisingly well, for there was little opposition against the Austarian Airforce left to fight.

The Austarian Troops had layed traps amongst the landscape for kilometers in front of the Allanean troops in the south.

As a result, the Allanean advance in the south had been slowed to a crawl, if not stopped already, for they were under constant fire from Austarian forces. Furthermore, Austarian Howitzers began to bombard the Allanean forces in the south. Casualties from the Allaneans and their allies in the south were expected to be high, for this constant bombardment continued on for some 6 hours.

In the meantime, back in Central Axackal, well amongst the Allanean Ranks, the Austarian Special Forces secretly began to spread out. Once they were spread evenly across the countryside into individiual platoons, they began to fight guerilla style against the Allanean and Yallak positions, from within the enemy reserves.

Back amongst the Austarian Forces, the Generals were preparing for a missile launch, to attack any command and supply lines which were linked to the Allaneans and his allies. Yeild wouldnt be high, but all they needed to do was to destroy roads, railways etc. Anything which would be helping to supply or command enemy troops in Axackal. In total, 3000 Missiles were launched.

OOC: Sorry if its a bit scratchy, I was in a bit of a rush ;)

500km away from the Allanean fleet

Arriving in Axackal from Taiwan with fresh men and supplies, the submarine task force commanders were eager to get started.

"8 Battleships and 6 TAMDs."

280 NF-3 ASCMs were launched in a lo-hi-lo profile, with the missiles entering a cruise altitude around 150km from the launch point as to prevent detection.

OOC: I hope my RPing is OK for you, im not that experienced in war like situations, so I apoligize if im a bit unclear...

OOC: Its good but 2 things: your godmodding when you write things like "In the central of Axackal, the Austarian troops continued to push forward as the Allaneans and Yallakians fell back faster and faster."
secondly: SAM can't fire missle at ground targets :)

With the arrival of Allanean forces, and the movement of Austarian concentration towards them, General Caracas reordered the forces.

"Captain Mauriac, send in the reserves, move the heavy tanks to the front, divert half to support the right flank movement."
"yes sir"

Another explosion rocked the ground nearby, as an officer ran up to Caracas's position.
"Sir Admiral Dagon on the line"
"what you got for me?"
"hold fire to the west, all reserve squadrons are approaching your position"
"copy that"

Caracas hung up, looking over to his right as hundreds of heavy tanks rolled out onto the battle field heading straight towards the Austarian lines, their objective to run over the enemy positions then hit the right forces in the flank, behind them 350 000 reserve infantry moved into the attack, above 56 A-10A's flying above traking the enemy positions with cannons, miniguns and missles. 100 F-22 raptor afterburning into attack the enemy air force moving to attack the Allaneans. The F-22's already in combat began shooting down and out manouvering the enemy helicopters while all surviving A-10A's flew out of battle, launching long range missles at the closest enemy artillery positions

Force in battle:

Front line:
245 XHeavy tanks
498 478 X light infantry
163 XF-22 Raptors
86 XF-14 Tomcats
30 XC62 Naval bombers
311 XAPC's
134 Xmedium tanks

Right Flank:
237 Xheavy tank
50 000 XLight inf
(air forces shown above flying where ive posted)
280 Xmedium tanks

OOC: ive minused the losses to make these totals

Amongst Austarian Positions, Commander Illiam yelled out to his troops, "Hold your positions! Take cover from attacks from air attacks! Begin firing at all enemy aircraft!"

In response, the Platoons took cover, but anti-aircraft men began firing a counter of Stinger missiles at enemy aircraft. Some 5000 Stinger's were shot at Yallak aircraft.

On the frontline, as the Austarian Infantry bolstered their positions, they began to fire anti-tank missiles as any incoming enemy tanks. Some 600 Austarian Tanks rolled forward to help counter the Yallak tanks. Their mission was easy. They were to destroy the incoming tanks.

Austarian fighters worked to counter the Yallak fighters roaring overhead the battlefield.

In the meantime, to counter the flanking troops to the south, the Austarian Force 1 000 000 strong began to attack the Yallak tanks directly with Anti-Tank Missiles.

Back, further from the frontline, Austarian Howitzer units were being attacked, however range limited the attacks on them heavily. Turning, their fire turned to the Tanks which were flanking to the south.

In the meantime, some 2000 Long Range Missiles were launched into the Yallak Tanks along the frontline, aimed at specific targets each.

Losses:
964 Infantry
14 X AV8B Harrier
4 X F/A-18 Hornet
12 X AH64A Apache Helicoptor
2 X M-26UM Main Battle Tanks
4 X Howitzer

OOC: A few things.

1) I do agree with Allanea about moving forces in ebing a godmod in itself, you would have to RP them moving in better.

2) SAM weapons can be targeted against ground units, there is nothing stopping them. However, the shrapnel-based warheads of SAMs means they have little effect against armoured targets, althouh they are reasonably effective against infantry concentrations.

3) Engaging helicopters with fast jets is very difficult. Within the relative confines of the battlefield all the helicopter has to do is hover and most jets would overshoot. The ability of helicopters to stay low to the ground also allows them to lose themselves in the clutter from the POV of aircraft attack radars. Its is easier to attack Helicopters with ground based SAM units and other helicopters than with jets.

OOC: SAM's don't get used to target against tanks and infantry thats why their called surface to air

IC: As the impact of the right flank attack wore off, the soldiers in the line were under great strain to hold out against massivly superior numbers. In a dangerous move to hold an edge in combat, the Yallakian Air force divert all bombers and gound attack fighters to dropping the most precious cargo, cylindrical Napalm and Phosphorus bombs. All over the enemy positions massive phosphoric explosions incinarated and literly melted anything they touched, napalm sucking away the very air of the field.

General Caracas ordered a perimetre reform, all Yallakian troops pulling back to a fortified line, a few hundred metre away, those unfortunate enought to escape the blasts were forgotten as the armoured units regrouped and rolled through the flames to refresh the attack.

With countermeasures and fuel on low the Air force began their return to the carriers, ground based stinger missles from the infantry covering their return

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7:42 PM, Yallak
Empire wide Imperial Broadcast
Lord Archaon

At this very moment, the emperor is personally meeting at a secret location with the leaders of the Allanean Allies. Because of the nature of this meeting nothing further can be said except that, Yallak, in its pledge to support the war, will during the next few weeks, raise its military comitment in Allanea to a total of 2 750 000 troops, and several thousand armoured vehicles.
The Emperor regrets being unable to inform you of this personal but thanks all citizens of the Empire for their undying support and courage in this conflict.

Losses:
708 Infantry
6 F-14s
8 F-22s
5 heavy tanks
9 Medium tanks

As Yallak forces began to pull back, air forces pulled back also and began to attack armoured positions along the central frontline. Slowly, each aircraft was being rotated in battle to allow maximum effect and refuleing benefits.

As the Yallakiand pulled back to a more traditional formation, the Austarian Tanks, 900 strong, rolled towards the Yallak frontline, firing as they go. Behind them, an army of 3 400 000 seperated into seperate platoons snuck forward to provide back up for the tanks. Above, Austarian air forces provided more than substantial cover, already firing upon the Yallak armoured core.

As the entire battlefield continued to move westward, the howitzers and patriot systems slowly edged on the backside of the Austarian dreadnaught. Further into the Austarian controlled area, a volley of 1000 missiles were launched, each with a vx nervegas warhead, their target: the Yallak support areas, including their points of transportation and command centers.

OOC: I will post the losses a bit later, coz im really short for time, so will be back ;)

Losses:
1602 Infantry
5 X M-26UM Main Battle Tanks
4 X F/A-18 Hornet
2 X AV8B Harrier

As the Yallakiand pulled back to a more traditional formation, the Austarian Tanks, 900 strong, rolled towards the Yallak frontline, firing as they go. Behind them, an army of 3 400 000 seperated into seperate platoons snuck forward to provide back up for the tanks.

OOC: how are your infantry going to get through the flames. Napalm and especially phosphorus burns for quite some time

sorry dont have time to write a reply today, will have to wait until tomorrow afternoon

The Axackal Front

The Edolian shells scream through the air, massacring Allanean troops by the dozen. Scandavian riflemen pick the Boy Scout Corps troops one by one, only to get cut down by quick and precise return fire. Iron Blood artillery roars, showering the Edolian Red Legions with shrapnel, steel, and explosives. And on the Southern part of the front, hundreds of thousands of Tar-Kerillion troops march on, stepping on the bloodied corpses of their comrades. In the centre, the Allanean Regulars are retreating to regroup, stemming the advance of the Edolians by rifle, grenade, and pistol.
Back in the United Allied Command HQ, the Accord Generals look at the map with worry.
Marshal Yelinsky, the Commander of the Iron Blood Shock Army, gives his brothers in arms a frowning look:
"Comrades,if this doesn't change, we're about to take heavy losses here."
Elrahil De-Lirin, the elven General in charge of the Tar-Kerillion forces, smiles:
"I am sure that our Allanean friends have some new ace in their sleeve to change the situation any moment."
The Allanean Marshal, Joshua Ravins, answers them with a typical South Allanean accent:
"Nah, we Allan'uns don't have any darn aceees in our poh-kits. You just drew that darn map wrong."

The Artitsan, Indon, Iron Blood and Tar-Kerillion commanders reply with a perfect stereophonic coincidence:
"WHAT?!"

Ravins smiles at his colleagues:

"You forgot to add the Fantasanian troops."

* * * * *

On the middle of the Axackalian frontline, a miracle is happening. A fleet of trucks, ranging from the semi-trailers to small pickups, arrive from the rear and begin to unload. People in Fantasanian uniform run out, aiming their M16AF2's at the enemies.

"The Fantasan army is on the field again!", somebody screams.
All at once, the Front lights up with excitement and ethusiasm. The word spreads by combat radios, e-mail, and word-of mouth; sattelite TV stations broadcast it from Heston-City to Port-Allanea. Deep in Edolian land, Freedom Party members thirsting for liberty, switch their TV's to watch the NCA flag beat proudly in the wind, yet again.

"Good morning, this is the Fox News Daily News broadcast. Today we're proud to be the first to bring to you, live, the new offensive of the NCA and Accord forces on the Axackal front..."

Across the screen, troops in Allanean protective suits rush at the enemy with bayonets fixed, screaming at the top of their lungs "For Allanea! For Freedom! For the Alliance!".

"Good morning, this is CNN news. Today, the Accord forces are making new advances on the Axackal front. Rumours of the so-called "New Conservative Alliance" joining the Accord in it's aggressive endeavours are as yet unverified.

The waves of IFV's and combat vehicles fill the screen. Sometimes, an Ann Coulter MK-II jet flies over the battlefield, launching a dozen or so "Slander"-type EMP missiles at the enemy aircraft.

"Good Morning, this is Al-Jazeera. According to our information sources, the UNAPS forces have, yet again, caused the Allanean forces to retreat..."

On the Deriksburg roofs, guerilla forces and Air Assault troops dance together at the sight of explosions on the horizon. It means that the Allaneans are drawing near.

OOC: Losses:

Volunteer Army (Northern part of the front): 5,000 troops

Center Army/Tar Kerillion: 20,000 troops

Southern Army: 8,000 troops

All along the lines, Edolians are being rotated. Troops from secure parts of the fronts are moved to parts where heavier fighting is taking place. The approximately 600,000 elite Edolian troops -better than anything else on the battlefield- are forming up positions. For some reason, they are no longer moving, forward or back. Behind the lines, planes are being loaded up. A massive assault it going underway.

At 11:21 in the morning, all hell breaks loose along the front as Edolian artillery begins its barrage.

13,471 H-2 Hoplite 90mm Light Howitzers
7,280 H-2 Hoplite 140mm Light Howitzers
2,424 H-3 Heavy Hoplite 180mm Howitzer
2,696 H-3/U Heavy Hoplite 200mm Long Range Howitzer
9,036 Hyena-2 Mobile Missile Launch Systems
4,921 Hyena-3 Mobile Missile Launch Systems

...who have recently been rotated to avoid over-use, begin bombardment. With over 200,000 shells and 15,000 rockets (mostly incendiary with anti-personnel and anti-tank mixed in) fired each minute under this barrage, Allanean positions are under incredibly heavy bombardment. But that is nothing compared to the air strikes that are prepared. Five minutes after the bombardment begins, the Edolian air force is on full attack. Along with Mintaran air forces <<OOC: He gave control to me.>>, the Scarlet Air Force is on full assault.

3,827 YT/A-2 Hellion Fighter/Interceptors
3,869 YT/A-3 Hellion Fighter/Bombers
1,915 BX/f-25 “Barking Gerbil” Fighter Support Planes
1,810 Assorted Support (Recon, Early Warning, Electronic Warfare) Fighters
1,122 RX-12 Roc Unmanned Heavy Stealth Bombers
1,612 TB-21 Light Stealth Bombers

While support craft begin jamming enemy radar and picking targets, YT/A-2s lead the assault, clearing a path through the relatively small groups of enemy fighters. As the Edolian forces move closer and closer to the Allanean positions, half the YT/A-2s break off, actively searching for Accord planes. The YT/A-3s release their missiles, targeting Accord artillery. Nearly 16,000 missiles streak at the artillery systems, followed by another barrage of 8,000, targetting what ever is left. The remaining 8,000 missiles strike out at enemy supply bases. In the meantime, the bombers begin their work. 100,000 kt of incendiary weaponry -dumb and semi-dumb bombs- fall over Allanean positions. As the unquestionably shell-shocked Accord forces -whatever is left of them- attempt to hold back the tide, Edolian troops begin a steady advance over the now-barren landscape. Any pocket of Allanean resistance is immediately bombarded.

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In Scandavian States, 1.4 million Edolian reservists are unloading from boats and being transported via rail to the front...

Their advance will be slowed due to Allanean missile attacks.

<<OOC: Forgive this really lousy post. I've got to go somewhere really soon and I needed to get this out. Anyway, I expect that the Accord armies should pretty much no longer exist in any organized form. The amount of bombing that we just put down is enough to saturate the front with bombs, killing insane numbers of Allaneans, wiping out all supply lines and putting communications into such disarray that there would be little left.

I ask that no one respond to this post until SS can be contacted. I don't think he's aware of this thread but his forces would be doing things simultaneously to this assault.>>

The air fills with the screams of the dying, the moans of the wounded, the sounds of the explosions. Withing the first 2 minutes,
400,000 Allaneans and 500,000 Tar-Kerillion troops are dead.

"What?"

"If we want to stop this, we can do only one thing: charge."

And charge they do. Falling over traps, cut down by shrapnel and machineguns, burned alive by napalm.

Despite the fact this leads to the loss of 300,000 more Accord forces, soon they are able to engage their enemies face-to-face, while the remnants of the Iron Blood artillery engage the Edolians.

When the enemy aircraft arrive, 15,000 personal Dart SAMS are launched at them by the Allaneans.

In several minutes the Allanean Air Force is scrambled. The 1,500 planes of the Marine Air Armada launch 20 Slander EMP missiles EACH at their enemies, and the bombers launch 500 AS-19 cruise missiles at the enemy positions.

[I]Official Allanean Government Advertisement [I]

Due to the ending of the conflict in Prophet and the retreat of the UNAPS aggressors, the force of that garrison is to be reduced to 70,000 troops. The remaining 300,000 troops are to be transferred to Axackal.

[Excuse me, but I don't believe I've RPed my troops engaging anyone in quite some time, so to say you cut my troops down would be an erroneous statement. I'll be making a post later today and when that happens, expect all hell to break loose.]

After meeting with Allanean military planners (also known as MSN), there was to be a giant shift in the Imperial warplan. Rather than take Yasmarea and then make the way up towards Edolia, the Allaneans required immediate assistance. It was decided that without help the war would have been completely turned. It was decided that the blockade would have to be destroyed in a localized section in order for troops to arive, and that air support would have to be achieved.


So for the breaking of the blockade 200 of the Empire's most unique bombers-B-747-X, complete with 80 cruise missles-swarm down upon a section of the blockade, blast 70 yakhont-3s at the blockading forces, and then launch defensive TWAAM-01 missles before any fighters appear, so that when they do appear the missles will already be closer to the fighter than the fighter is to the bomber (it has its own tracking system, etc.). The bombers proceed to Allanean airfields, having flown all the way from Fluffywuffy.

Now with the near 100% assurance of the blockade being broken or at least destroyable in another pass, the 1,000 of the Raysian built hypersonic transports-RT-20X7-land in Allanea the muscle needed to turn the tide of battle-artilery. 4,000 M270 MRLS peices are moved to Allanea, the rest of the space on the aircraft used for crew.

Upon being landed the MRLS units and crews load up and form up behind the Accord forces, launch counter battery fire, move, reload, and then fire a mass of rockets into the Edolian army, move, and then reload.

The Raysian transports then take off, having refueled, fly home, and prepare to bring more troops.

In Dublin

Thousands upon thousands of tanks and APCs had been sitting in Dublin the past two days, silently waiting for the human touch to bring them alive. This, now, they had and the armour of the Celtic Guards, Royal Guards, and Viking Guards armies roared to life. Joining them was the IV Marine Corp, their expensive, jet-fueled hover tanks there for when a hole was punched in the Allanean lines. III Marine Corp would also shortly join the new Scandavian combine army, although they would not fight on the front lines but instead guard the new logistics chain.

It would be several hours before the Celtic and Royal Guards armies, specifically designed as shock armies, would be able to engage and create a hole in the Allanean lines, but that didn't change the fact that the lines were well within range of the 25" quad gun and missile batteries that defended every city in Scandavian States. They opened up just as the armies were moving out under the cover of interceptors, their huge scramjet shells and Seahawk HyLAMs (HYpersonic Land Attack Missile) softening up the area of the attack in a constant barrage.


[There are thirty-six quad gun and missile combo batteries defending Dublin. While all the shells and missiles were not fired at one time, there should be seven hundred and twenty cruise missiles with 1,000kg warheads (which is the same as Tomahawk cruise missiles) and one hundred and forty-four 25" shells (I'm not sure exactly how much explosives they pack, but I'd say it's about ten times what one of those missiles does) landing about a hundred miles wide and however deep the front line is. Barrages will repeat once every 20 RL minutes until I post again, starting 3:50pm EST.]

500km away from the Allanean fleet

Arriving in Axackal from Taiwan with fresh men and supplies, the submarine task force commanders were eager to get started.

"8 Battleships and 6 TAMDs."

280 NF-3 ASCMs were launched in a lo-hi-lo profile, with the missiles entering a cruise altitude around 150km from the launch point as to prevent detection.

ooc: Sorry I didn't reply to this earlier, but Im going to need alot more information on your missiles: Guidance, Range, warhead weight, speed, stealthyness, how well armoured, and from what depth did you launch the missiles?

ic: The Artitsan Ground forces have finally arrived in Allanea and after procrastinating, 3 Mechanized Divisions supported by 3 Armoured Divisions move at high speed towards Deriksburg. UAV's fly far ahead of this force searching out for artillary positions, along with Spy satellites over the area. Immediatly 2 A-50 AWACs enter the air from Southern Allanean Airfields, 1 for the 42 Su-37-900's and 28 JF-20's taking off and 1 for the massive amounts of land attack cruisemissiles about to be launched.
Each Battleship [32] readies 110 SS-N-24 Land Attack CM's for launch, awaiting targets for each missile. If none can be found, they'll settle for striking Scandavian Cities, Such as Dublin

ooc: Scandavian States, can you reply to my strike on your fleet in the other 28 page thread?
The SS-N-24 is a Naval version of the AS-19 KENT, carrying 2 500kg warheads or 200KT Nuclear Warheads. In this case, 500kg warheads. They are terrain skimming and supersonic.

"General we're taking new losses."

"How much so far?"

"Not much, only about 3,000 troops, but the numbers are accumulating."

"I see. Continue the advance."

"Uhm, General?"

"Yes?"

"Central Command just purchased an insane amount of some real cheap jets, about 10,000 of them. They're due to start arriving soon. We don't even have anough pilo..."

"Shut up. This place could be bugged."

[quote=_Taiwan]500km away from the Allanean fleet

Arriving in Axackal from Taiwan with fresh men and supplies, the submarine task force commanders were eager to get started.

"8 Battleships and 6 TAMDs."

280 NF-3 ASCMs were launched in a lo-hi-lo profile, with the missiles entering a cruise altitude around 150km from the launch point as to prevent detection.

ooc: Sorry I didn't reply to this earlier, but Im going to need alot more information on your missiles: Guidance, Range, warhead weight, speed, stealthyness, how well armoured, and from what depth did you launch the missiles?

OOC: Guidance - semi-active radar (JSTARs guidance from land based aircraft).

Range - 800km, (but were launched from 500km)
warhead weight - 500kg
Speed - Mach 2.8 average
stealthiness - lo-hi-lo profile, so none whatsoever. Relies on evasive manuveres to dodge missile defence systems and CIWS (Like the RL Yakhont).
armour - resistant to 20mm CIWS
depth - ~40m (I'm not all that flash at sub warfare, so if it's unreasonable, tell me)

ooc: Don't call me a godmodder for this, but Your missile is... going to be owned by my TAMDs.

Immediatly the A-50 AWACs around the Artitsan fleet picked up the massive amount of launches. The plane began to simulationsly track them, while marking launch positions on the electronic map. Information was immediatly sent back to the TAMDs which began searching with their own powerful Air Search radars. The A-50's look down radar easily kept track of the missiles, relaying information to the TAMDs, but while they were sea skimming, it would be a waste of missiles to intercept. The NF-3's then began their "hi" profile, bringing them into full view of the SA-N-14's (naval S-500's with range of 400km). Targets were seperated and alocated to different missiles. There was roughly 640 SA-N-14's launched in total (each TAMD carries 210), basically 2 per enemy missile. As they closed, their first stage was jetessined exposing the thrustvectored nozzle. 60% of the missiles flew right past their targets as the NF-3's preformed evasive maunevers. 112 of the Hostile missiles disappeared from tracking as they were destroyed. The Artitsan missiles that overflew jettisoned their 2nd stage leaving their final phase, also with Thrust vectoring. They immediatly turned and sped back towards their targets at mach 3.5. However, many of these missiles overflew so far, they ran out of fuel and crashed into the sea below, however another 68 missiles were downed, and 4 others tore themselves apart at Mach 2.5 after attempting evasive action.

96 Missiles remained as they began their final "lo" sequence. However at this point they were close enough to the TAMDs to remain on their radars, and now the TAMDs each launched 24 Aster missiles to deal with the sea skimmers. They had a 60% hit rate, destroying 85 of the missiles.

There was 11 missiles left, closing quickly. Assignments quickly switched over to the Kashtan-M and THEL systems. Each TAMD had 6 Kashtan-M's and 2 THEL systems. Each Kashtan-M has two 30mm guns with 12,000 RPM, and 6 SA-11's. The Kashtan-M's began firing off these missiles, however many of them missed destroying only 6. The THEL systems destroyed 4 Themselves as they superheated the missiles with their lasers. And finally the remaining missile was destroyed by over 36 Kashtan-M systems.

ooc: Technically, they would never have reached my CIWS. I was kinda leniant. I made TAMDs to deal with launches of 2,000+ Missiles.

ic:
Now that the threat was over, the TAMDs fired off 8 SS-N-29 ASROCs at the known locations, while over a Dozen ASW Helicopters swarmed to the area to go Sub-huntin'

OOC: Carp

Hmmm, guys, we finally found someone who can actually RP navally.

Seventy-five miles from the front the Celtic Guards Army, Royal Guards Army, and Viking Guards Army paused briefly to form up into battle order as well as arrange artillery. The hot motors of the 25" scramjet shells made the shells visible when they shrieked overhead. It took a while for the armies to go from marching order to battle order but they did get there and the first volleys of their own organic 255mm ETC howitzers and MRLS sounded the order to continue on.

[The post was this short because I wanted you to take losses from the initial artillery bombardment of the divisions on top of rolling losses from twenty-four hours of constant bombardment from 25" guns (to give you a perspective on the destructive power of the 25" guns, one 25" scramjet shell could easily destroy an Iowa. Here are the artillery stats for the twenty-eight divisions that just fired time-on-target volleys at one hundred miles of battlefront: 7,272 M10 Galahad Howitzers and 2,880 M9 Morgan MLRS. Both systems are similar to what the US uses, with the notable exception being that the former has longer range and harder hitting power because it's ETC.

Btw, after seventy-two volleys from my city defense batteries plus the artillery you just got shoved down your throat, I really expect that whatever was there is destroyed.]

Losses from the latest bombardment: 12,000 troops.

twenty-eight divisions plus the equivelant of the most powerful shore defense batteries the RL world has ever known firing on your troops. To put it another way, you have the artillery power of one-third of the Chinese army coming down on your head, there shouldn't be anything left along that stretch of land. And if twelve thousand troops plus whatever equipment they might have manned is all you have left on the piece of real estate I fired on, then the forces already there should be breaking though without my help.]

[I understood that the bombardment would come over a long-ish time frame, so these are initial losses. I still wait to see your response as to damage to your firepower from my assault in the previous post and Fluffy's attack]

Outsider's note:

Observer's note: Artillery over range is affected by weather. Winds aloft can throw off a shot by many degrees-during the second world war, in the island campaigns, battleship guns often missed whole islands completely-the shot going over and landing in the water on the other side. This is caused by the nature of indirect fire (Gun-Tube and Rocket arty). You're firing some of those guns at several hundered miles' range. (in particular, the 25 inchers, the ETC guns, etc)

Allanea posted 12,000 losses-that indicates to me, as an outsider, that maybe you need to talk to your weathermen and find out if there's a front moving in, and maybe your Artillery officers to find out if they even bothered to calculate for winds-aloft. A good headwind can put those shells right back in your lap-because of how Artillery works.

Artillery (esp. gun-tubes like you're using) fires on a high-arc trajectory. The shells go up (in the case of your long-ranged stuff, into the Stratosphere), lose their velocity, and fall to earth.
During that fall, they're vulnerable to wind. If the Allaneans have the wind at their backs, and it's a fairly stiff one, that puts your shells, MLRS rockets, etc. back at you. If the wind is in their faces, it means your shell falls behind them. to the left, or the right, and it means your shell plunges down somewhere else. Most areas have weather doing two or more things.

Quantity of shell doesn't always equal quality of result, and your post indicates you're relying on quantity-a bit like British General Haig did at the Somme. (another situation where mass-bombardment didn't achieve the desired result.) Further, quite a bit of your heavy stuff is being fired at extreme ranges. Unless you've got a Godmode weather service, randomness is virtually a guarantee at that kind of range, because those hypervelocity shells still have to lose their hypervelocityness and fall back to earth at the same terminal velocities common to ordinary shells-through several layers of crosswinds, low and high pressure, etc. after traversing the high-altitude steering winds at the thermocline between the stratosphere and the troposphere-twice (once going up, once coming down).

In short, you missed. At ten miles, a miss of two mils can put a shell more than 200 yards in any given direction from its target, and the effect is magnified by longer ranges.

You're making VERY long-ranged shots, you're just lucky your shell didn't land in your own lap.

ooc: Don't call me a godmodder for this, but Your missile is... going to be owned by my TAMDs.

Now...what is a TAMD?

TAMD:
Theatre Air/Missile Defence Ship.
:D

[Allanea: For the third time, I haven't had forces on the front lines for quite some time and still don't. This attack was the result of the withdrawal, regrouping, and second attack upon your forces. Therefor, Edolia was incorrect in assuming I had troops anywhere near the lines and you and your ally attacked was air and mud.

Nuevo Kowloon: Mmm, and did you know that ETCs on their own have flatter trajectories than normal artillery? And that for all intents and purposes scramjet shells are unguided hypervelocity rockets (which, btw, tend to have flatter trajectories than normal artillery)? And that 500km would be the extreme range for 25" guns, not the 250-300km that it had been firing? Oh, and then there's the small fact that the battle line stretches all the way across Axackal, so there isn't any real way to "miss", I might not hit the intended target but something still dies.]

<<OOC: This is a short post because I don't have time to do much and I don't want you to think I've forgotten you...>>

"Incoming Dart missiles, sir."
"How many?"
"About 15,000. The Allaneans are laying it on thick, trying to knock out our air dominance." Durn von Durenburg laughed.
"Pathetic. Have our fighters launch whatever missiles they have and then show them what scramjets can do."
"Yes sir!"

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The tiny, remote-piloted aircraft shot towards their targets -mostly Accord artillery systems. As enemy Dart missiles shot up into the air, Edolian missiles were launched. Making 180 degree turns nearly impossible for any lesser crafts, the Hellions began making their way back towards their airbases at a ferocious pace -reaching speeds of over mach five. Any missiles that posed a threat were generally defeated with the Scarlet Air Force's massive array of jamming equipment, as well as the sleek, radar-absorbant bodies of the umanned fighters -not to mention their unmatched maneuverability. However, some casualties are taken and approximately 350 planes are shot down over the battlefield. As the coordinates of enemy Dart launchers are taken, artillery systems are instructed to shift fire towards those lines. However, that fire shift is brief, as the Allanean forces make their way towards the Allied lines.

The enemies came on in waves and waves and as the Edolian air force, after outrunning the enemy SAMs, begins to move back towards the front, 30mm Vulcan gun fire strafes the oncoming soldiers. Tank fire smashes the enemy's cover as the already-bombed our landscape is torn apart again. As the enemy nears the lines, hundreds of thousands of shells smash into their lines, firing with powerful accuracy. Lines of gunships spew death against the Allaneans. Finally, the Allied soldiers prepare for the Allaneans -what is left of them- to come into sight. Machine guns and grenade launchers are ready for the first wave. As 500,000 grenades are loaded into their guns, the enemy's casualties will be horrendous.

<<OOC: I've got to go to bed... But I'll post responding to the attack on my navy later. I would point out that the casualties for your mass wave attack should be MUCH MUCH MUCH higher. In fact, not a single Allanean should survive. There is a reason that war is fought from far away. However, I suppose you might be able to turn your forces around and suffer only 30% casualties... About a million troops dead from that massive blunder will be acceptable.>>

Edolia: I see you plain out ignored 30,000 air-to-air missiles.

Scandavians: Given my use of AS-19 missiles (range - 4000 km), the fact your troops are not near my lines means nothing whatsoever.


IC: Screams of the dying fill the air. 50,000 Fantasaniain troopd snf 20,000 Tar-Kerillion troops are killed by the Edolians. After the feeble Edolian attempt to locate the launnch sites of shoulder-fired missiles, the Alllaneans begin another offensive. Immediately, the 40mm grenades begin landing amongst the sodliders, but the shrapnel from such grenades is too feeble to pierce Mk III Rayisan armour. Thus, only 10,000 Allaneans are killed due to the assault. Also killed are 50,000 Ter Kerillion troops and 10,000 more Fantasanians.

[Dude, they weren't even in Axackal and I've seen no post detailing any attack against my nation. You're welcome to try, but as far as I'm concerned, there has yet to be any attacks against my forces in this thread. Now, please take casualties from the artillery bombardment and I can get on with my main attack.]

[Allanea: For the third time, I haven't had forces on the front lines for quite some time and still don't. This attack was the result of the withdrawal, regrouping, and second attack upon your forces. Therefor, Edolia was incorrect in assuming I had troops anywhere near the lines and you and your ally attacked was air and mud.

Nuevo Kowloon: Mmm, and did you know that ETCs on their own have flatter trajectories than normal artillery? And that for all intents and purposes scramjet shells are unguided hypervelocity rockets (which, btw, tend to have flatter trajectories than normal artillery)? And that 500km would be the extreme range for 25" guns, not the 250-300km that it had been firing? Oh, and then there's the small fact that the battle line stretches all the way across Axackal, so there isn't any real way to "miss", I might not hit the intended target but something still dies.]

[ooc]250 KM? Okay, you're still going to have severe wind-drift-unless you're going to claim the terrain is absolutely flat (or bowl shaped) for the entire distance-of-flight. (Over-the-horizon shots, a ramjet or Scramjet round has less mass-to-surface area, and you say they're unguided...) Flatter trajectory or not, you're still having to cross out of the Troposphere at that range, and artillery flight behaviour still applies. Unguided rockets will actually wander MORE than unpowered shells will in a cross-wind, and if they've got a tailwind, then they're going to overshoot by a more extreme distance, esp. if he's advancing on your position.
(I presume you guys aren't using Trench-Warfare, a method of fighting that was discredited in the Early 20th Century... right?)
With the ETC cannons, and their flatter trajectories, your range may be increased, but that extra speed doesn't come without a price (nothing is free), unless there are absolutely no hills between you and your opponent (or buildings, tall trees...) you're dealing with deflection issues. If his guys are using foxholes on the lee side of a slope, or if they take cover, your flat-trajectory shells are going to go right on by. (the real reason Mortars are better "General" infantry support weapons than Recoilless Rifles-they're more effective in the indirect fire role, and can drop shell into places you can't reach by pounding straight through.) They're also more vulnerable to cross-winds, since their entire flight time is spent in the thickest part of the atmosphere, and they're unguided rounds. (Suppose that's the reason Cruise Missiles are so popular?)
further, unless you're actually in a STATIC tactical environment, you can't rely on your mass-bombardment to only hit the enemy, or even rely on his having troops massed where your shells are landing. Given the technological level of most of the forces on this thread, it's highly unlikely that either Allanea, or you, are using trench-lines and mass-charges to trade a few yards of dirt.

Artillery is a precision science, Bigger, Faster, and More isn't where it's at. With the kind of assets you've listed, you should be able to punch a hole in his offensive line using a box-battery and time-on-target strikes, with forces lined up to follow the shells in, and reliable forward observers to direct the shelling where it will do some good. Lobbing them at random won't get you the traction you're wanting.

[ooc: We won't need to worry about this for long. Way to reveal artillary positions.]

ic:
Locations were radioed in from frontline Allanean troops. How could they NOT know where the fire was coming from. Immediatly an A-50 AWACs was in the air, while UAV's moved over the artillary positions high above the clouds. The Artitsan fleet, 2500km away (a great distance) began firing off their stock of SS-N-24 Land Attack Cruisemissiles. The SS-N-24 is basically a navalized AS-19 Koala, with terrain skimming, and two double 500kg warheads that could hit seperate targets over 100km apart.

In total, roughly 10,400 SS-N-24's were launched from the Battleships (the missiles have a range of 4000km), passed through Allanean territory, to smash down into the Scandavian Artillary positions, ETC guns that were unmoveable, and other such targets pinpointed by Satellites, UAV's, and A-50's. Almost immediatly the SAN-550 Replenishment ships began to reload the battleships missile banks, perhaps for another strike.

[ooc: In short summary, you have 10,400 High Tech land attack Cruisemissiles heading towards your artillary positions. They have very very high tech ECM's, jammers, chaffs, etc etc etc. ]

OOC: can someone answer my question in the OOC thread.

[You might want to try posting again, I don't see any queston that you posted.]

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Allenea just invited me to join in on the war and I have a quick question about the combat zone axackel before I post an IC.

Basically I want to know whats the basic geography of Axackal. Like what countries its connected to and if it has a coastline and if so how long is it and how many fleets are stationed.
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Back in the Austar Union
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In the Austar Union, debate was getting tense about the Austarian role in Axackal. It seemed, as if there was a growing anti-war sentimate. Protests became more frequent, and demonstrations were growing into the millions.

In Anatoba, there was a massive protest. It was peaceful, yet it was the largest so far, estimates putting the demonstration at 12 Million people, shouting slogans such as "Make war, no gain", and, "Whos war is it anyway!"

Police, fearing the demonstration could get violent called out the riot police, to act as a deteerent to any 'agressive demonstrators'.

In Capital Hill, the acting President was watching the news, sighing, "These protests have filled the city streets for the past three days now. Its slowing down the economy..."

Michael Jacob, the President's advisor frowned, "I have already prepared any nessasary documents if you get my drift. I can have them sent to the Allaneans within two minutes sir."

The President looked lost in thought, "But our allies..."

"Not anymore," interrupted Michael, "We're not a member of UnAPS anyore sir, there is no treaty concerning Axackal."

"True," nodded the President, "Ok, send the treaty... I just hope they are willing to sign."

Michael smiled winking, "Oh dont you worry, they will."

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To: Allanean Goverment Authority
Subject: Treaty concerning Axackal

Dear sirs,

It has come apparent to myself that the war in Axackal is no longer concerning to the Republic, and there is a growing anti-war sentinent in our nation.

Therefore, I am offering you an official non-aggressive pact, so that we may withdraw our forces from Axackal. Our forces will begin withdrawment from Axackal the moment we recieve word that you have signed the treaty, and as soon as we can see that you and your allies have honored that.

The treaty will become officially effective upon your acknowledgment and signing.

[ooc: We won't need to worry about this for long. Way to reveal artillary positions.]

ic:
Locations were radioed in from frontline Allanean troops. How could they NOT know where the fire was coming from. Immediatly an A-50 AWACs was in the air, while UAV's moved over the artillary positions high above the clouds. The Artitsan fleet, 2500km away (a great distance) began firing off their stock of SS-N-24 Land Attack Cruisemissiles. The SS-N-24 is basically a navalized AS-19 Koala, with terrain skimming, and two double 500kg warheads that could hit seperate targets over 100km apart.

In total, roughly 10,400 SS-N-24's were launched from the Battleships (the missiles have a range of 4000km), passed through Allanean territory, to smash down into the Scandavian Artillary positions, ETC guns that were unmoveable, and other such targets pinpointed by Satellites, UAV's, and A-50's. Almost immediatly the SAN-550 Replenishment ships began to reload the battleships missile banks, perhaps for another strike.

[ooc: In short summary, you have 10,400 High Tech land attack Cruisemissiles heading towards your artillary positions. They have very very high tech ECM's, jammers, chaffs, etc etc etc. ]

Don't forget this, SS.

OOC: It doesn't matter if your troops are within Axackal, SS. IF they are withing 250 km from mine, they are in range of those AS-19's

IC:

To : Austar Union Government
Subject : Re: Peace Treaty.

"We would be glad to sign the treaty, however, given the fact your nation has violated a similar agreement before, to guarantee peace between our nations and the security of Allanea, we ask that the Union outpost in Haven be declared an Allanean Province".

[Allanea: that might be true, but I've looked for a cruise missile attack from you and haven't seen it. Oh, and my border is the big red line you don't cross, doing so will have extreme consequences. You've been warned.
Artista: I haven't forgotten anything, just haven't been on the forums overly much the past week. And I think you're going to be disappointed at the results of your attack, mass cruise missile bombardments like this aren't terribly effective, especially given the active and passive defenses I have.]


Cobra Canton air defense radars is Helsinki saw the attack the moment began and did something that many knew was theoretically possible on even the much weaker SPY-3 naval radars but had never been practiced. The radars fixed on the mass of missiles as they boosted and began sweeping pencil-thin beams of massive amounts of RF energy on the missiles. This destroyed the electronics and therefor disabled fully half of the missiles before they dipped low to the ground and such measures were no longer possible. Both Dublin and the forces in Axackal were informed of the attack and both took measures to prepair for it.

The Dublin batteries were mounted on 2700 miles of concrete and steel wall, which presented such a massive RCS as to make the batteries atop it look like golf balls in comparison. The defense commander could have been content to let the missiles target the walls and explode harmlessly, but he had not gotten his command by being content with anything. Hundreds of quad 16" batteries and thousands of dual 155mm batteries began pouring out HE shells against the missiles as they got in range, shapnel scything down missiles like the grim reaper would cut down a harvest of people. Of course, not everything was shot down, but what was targetted and impacted the walls.

The Axackal commanders didn't have the luxury of massive walls and likewise massive defenses to make them small and protected. What they did have was excellent forwarning and time, mobility, and massive active defenses. Tanks moved to group up with now mobile artillery in order to protect them with their own defenses while electronic warfare helos took off to put up an umbrella of general RF energy over the artillery that no frequency switching radar on a missile could hope to defeat. SAM radar and battery systems, which we outside of the energy embrella, began making low sweeps over the horizon in order to quickly engage what missiles they could before they penetrated the umbrella and started targetting things. When the missiles did pop over the horizon the massive number of radars crosslinked targetting data in order to better burn through jamming and fed what data they had to the mobile batteries, which then engaged the incoming missiles and managed to shoot down a full three-quarters of the incoming missiles. When the missiles burst through the umbrella, tanks turned their weapons over to the computer to inable the targetting and engagement of the missiles. Despite the relative success of the tanks, the artillery of two of the tank divisions was destroyed.

[ooc: Oh. My. F*cking. God. If you can bitch about Allanea's casualties that he gave you, I will do so as well. You do realize that 7.56mm guns ARE NOT GOING TO DESTROY A SS-N-24?!. Try using a 30mm chaingun, trying to target a mach 4.5+ missile. Your shrapnal business is bullshit as well, by the time you shoot and the round lands, the missiles will be a good kilometre away. As for this wall business, who says Im going by radar cross section? Who said they were not optically guided like many good Cruisemissiles. Your electronic business works, but I forgot to inform you about those nice AWACs of mine and how their also half EW jammers. You'd also have to have some pretty good computers to target 10,400 at mach 4.5. AND Im firing them through Allanea and by the time they would be within 1500km of your BORDER, they would already be terrain skimming. Holy shite. Did I mention the dual warheads, 500kg's each, ECM's, ect ect ect, or do you just not read the whole post. I will NOT accept 2 tank divisions for casualties as I do not recall targeting them. Just remember, 10,400 SS-N-24's = 20,800 warheads that have their own guidance out to 100km apart. BTW the SS-N-24 has a radar cross section (RCS) of around 0.001. Thats smaller then a F-117 and B-2 I believe. That is all.]

The Island States is activating the deploying the following to ports in Scandavian States to meet up on the Axackal Front:

1st Islander Army (Four-Star General Asherton):

1-25th Infantry Divisions
1-4th Armored Divisions

2nd Islander Army (Three-Star General Bradfield):

26th-50th Infantry Divisions
5th-9th Armored Divisions

3rd Islander Army (Three-Star General Williams):

51st-75th Infantry Divisions
10th-14th Armored Divisions

4th Islander Army (Three-Star General Lovell):

76th-100th Infantry Divisions
15th-17th Armored Divisions

(All infantrymen are armed with G-3 rifles, Fragmentation Grenades, RPG-7m AT Rockets, 120mm mortars, 9mm pistols and bayonettes).

(All armored Divisions have 300 IST-03 "Snow Crab" assault tanks and 100 IST-02E1 "Snowstorm" Electronic Warfare variant tanks (able to block microwave/radio communications in a specific arc in front of the vehicle)).

[You shouldn't be so shocked, I've seen too many mass cruise missile bombardments to not know what to do about them. If you saw this from my end, you'd realize that part of your statement was complete BS as what half you say I shouldn't be capable of was done all the way back in WWII and the other part is the result of ignorance about my systems stemming from a lack of questions. I've forgotten more about the military and its systems than you will ever learn, which is an advantage of having an active interest in the militaries of the world for two thirds of my life.

However, just to get you to shut your hole and stop this OMGZ MY TEK IZ BETER TAN YERZ chest beating, I'm willing to up my casualties from the artillery of two tank divisions to that of four, an entire Corp. Oh, and here's my response to your bombardment, let's see if you're smart enough to think this through and minimize losses, it should be a rather simple exercise.]

Shortly after the cruise missiles attack strategic bombers took off from Black Sands Isle loeaded to bear with cruise missiles of their own. The stealth bombers streaked towards the general direction of the enemy fleet at just over Mach 1 and at 1400 miles launched their cruise missiles. The missiles followed a similar flight path to those that attacked AITF earlier in the week but with one major difference, they climbed to 200,000 feet before they started a near vertical decent at Mach 12 and targeted the fleet be with millimeter-band radar, which was notrorious hard to jam.

One major thing that made this attack so incredibly hard to defeat was that half of the 6300 missiles had advanced jamming and decoy systems. When the jamming was burned through what the enemy ships would see was far more missiles than were really there. For every missile that had decoys two DU rods were jettisoned from the missile body that looked remarkably like a smaller version of the real cruise missiles on radar. The rods themselves might have been unguided and without explosives, but they were made of on of the densest materials known to man and had excellent armour penetrating capabilities.

What made this all worse was that the air force wasn't content with just one attack, the four other strategic bomber wings made identicle attacks at one minute intervals in order to completely destroy the present naval threat to the homeland.

[A standard cruise missiles warhead is 2,000kg of high explosives and can penetrate 100 feet of dirt of 30 feet of concrete.]

[ooc: Thats good and all, but you made a few crucial mistakes. But I also think I'll play like you at the same time.]


As the A-50 AWACs easily picked up the Stealth Aircraft (Stealth is BS anyways.) Using look down Radar and air disturbance detection systems, they immediatly informed the 8 Carriers to launch their Alert 5 fighter aircraft. Immediatly 12 JF-20's from each Carrier formed up and went to afterburners. Now, the aircraft were still 2000km from the Fleet (Gotta love those Allanean used Airbases for the A-50's. Idiot. Unless of course your doing a big circle around Haven and TROUSRs which would also pick you up quite easily.) The JF-20's began firing off 8 AA-13 ACID long range intercepting missiles traveling at mach 3 with a thrustvectored engine allowing for great mobility. The A-50 directed the missiles into the targets, and those that missed are replaced by another 8 AA-13's each. Then they close to within the 80km range of the nice AA-14 QAAM and fire off another 4. Meanwhile another A-50 takes to the air, as more waves are detected far off. The Carriers now launch plenty of JF-20's to deal with the unescorted bombers traveling at a relativily slow pace of mach 1, while they move at mach 2. Meanwhile, MiG-39's from Allanean airbases in the deep deep south take off, and speed upto mach 4 (Yeah. Mach 4.) And prepare their weapons systems.

In Artitsa, Several [i]Thousand Conventional ICBM's are being prepped, but their silo doors remain closed, thus it is still secret, thus you are unaware they are being prepped. And yet, at the same time, two EWRT-1707's lift off, their cargo holds now completely replaced by ECM's, jammers, and other such systems that can switch frequencies in nano seconds at such high pitches they have the tendancy to destroy nearby Radars on that wavelength. Thats why Artitsa uses their own seperate bands.

ooc: I want Scandavian States out of this war now. Once hes down, UnAPS will fall.

East Allanea

"Scramble the planes! "

Pilots run to their Ann Coulter Mk II craft.

"Those idiots sent unguarded stealth bombers. We have a change to intercept."

"You know what they forgot with these stealth thingies? Sattelite surveillance."

The general chuckles.

"That, and superior radars."

Within 30 minutes, 500 Ann Coulter MKII craft are off the ground in various parts of East Allanea, moving to intercept the enemy craft.

West Allanea

"What is our newest shipment?"

"3,000 Liberator fighters, Sir. Part of a 10,000 order."

"Good. I understand we had lots of pilots who lost their Coulters in the war, right?"

"Correct, General."

"Could you gather 3,000, if you called up some reservists and all?"

"I could, Sir. It would take a few days, though"

"Do it. Then, move those east".

[You shouldn't be so shocked, I've seen too many mass cruise missile bombardments to not know what to do about them. If you saw this from my end, you'd realize that part of your statement was complete BS as what half you say I shouldn't be capable of was done all the way back in WWII and the other part is the result of ignorance about my systems stemming from a lack of questions. I've forgotten more about the military and its systems than you will ever learn, which is an advantage of having an active interest in the militaries of the world for two thirds of my life.

OOC: get over yourself. From the Federation of American scientists, and i quote, "Cruise missiles pose perhaps the gravest delivery system proliferation threat. They are inexpensive to build and can, therefore, overwhelm current defenses by sheer numbers". I would call 10,400 sheer numbers.
And hello, what you say was being done in WWII, the shooting down of cruise missles with convential weapons, ha, they were the V-1's, and V-2's, with nowhere near the speed and absolutly no counter measures or great evasive systems, being used by Artitsa. Plus Artitsa is using external guidance of AWAC's on top of self guidance.

[ooc: Thank you yallak. Thus why I won't be taking any casualties from his cruisemissile attack if any DO get through, thanks to the remote guidance.]

The bombers, being well inside the radar coverage of the provincial and regional radar coverage, had ample warning of the launching interceptors. In response they radioed in a request for fighter backup, climbed to 100,000 feet, and turned on the reserve pulse detonation engines which kicked the bombers to Mach 2.3. Any approaching fighters from Allanea or the sea were met by a squadron of interceptors and the rather substantial air defenses of whatever city they strayed to close to.

[Right, so I fucked up in not RPing my approach but so did you. Given that, I'll pretend like the second through fifth waves were called off and I'll accept the little to no casualties. Oh, and the launch of [i]any ICBM will prompt a massive nuclear response on multiple levels by multiple countries, or I just might ignore the nation that pulls that stupid of a move for the remainder of the RP for the good of the RP.]

ooc: Don't call me a godmodder for this, but Your missile is... going to be owned by my TAMDs.

Immediatly the A-50 AWACs around the Artitsan fleet picked up the massive amount of launches. The plane began to simulationsly track them, while marking launch positions on the electronic map. Information was immediatly sent back to the TAMDs which began searching with their own powerful Air Search radars. The A-50's look down radar easily kept track of the missiles, relaying information to the TAMDs, but while they were sea skimming, it would be a waste of missiles to intercept. The NF-3's then began their "hi" profile, bringing them into full view of the SA-N-14's (naval S-500's with range of 400km). Targets were seperated and alocated to different missiles. There was roughly 640 SA-N-14's launched in total (each TAMD carries 210), basically 2 per enemy missile. As they closed, their first stage was jetessined exposing the thrustvectored nozzle. 60% of the missiles flew right past their targets as the NF-3's preformed evasive maunevers. 112 of the Hostile missiles disappeared from tracking as they were destroyed. The Artitsan missiles that overflew jettisoned their 2nd stage leaving their final phase, also with Thrust vectoring. They immediatly turned and sped back towards their targets at mach 3.5. However, many of these missiles overflew so far, they ran out of fuel and crashed into the sea below, however another 68 missiles were downed, and 4 others tore themselves apart at Mach 2.5 after attempting evasive action.

96 Missiles remained as they began their final "lo" sequence. However at this point they were close enough to the TAMDs to remain on their radars, and now the TAMDs each launched 24 Aster missiles to deal with the sea skimmers. They had a 60% hit rate, destroying 85 of the missiles.

There was 11 missiles left, closing quickly. Assignments quickly switched over to the Kashtan-M and THEL systems. Each TAMD had 6 Kashtan-M's and 2 THEL systems. Each Kashtan-M has two 30mm guns with 12,000 RPM, and 6 SA-11's. The Kashtan-M's began firing off these missiles, however many of them missed destroying only 6. The THEL systems destroyed 4 Themselves as they superheated the missiles with their lasers. And finally the remaining missile was destroyed by over 36 Kashtan-M systems.

ooc: Technically, they would never have reached my CIWS. I was kinda leniant. I made TAMDs to deal with launches of 2,000+ Missiles.

ic:
Now that the threat was over, the TAMDs fired off 8 SS-N-29 ASROCs at the known locations, while over a Dozen ASW Helicopters swarmed to the area to go Sub-huntin'

OOC: Sorry for the delay, RL matters.
OOC2: The SS-N-29 (according to FAS/Globalsecurity) has a range of 20km. My subs are 300km out.

IC:

"General Zhang, it appears our missile attack has failed."
"Retreat and lay low for now, our JSTARS-T is picking up something."
"Roger."
"Our JSTARS-T have found choppers. Twelve of them."
"Hm...how long until semi-active AWACS guidance is online? I don't want them to pick us up."
"45 seconds. Don't worry, unless they're supersonic helicopters, they'll take a while."
"haha. We'll have some time to make coffee before we launch our SAMs."

The submarines vector away from the fleet at 30 knots.

OOC: Let me respond when the ASW helicopters come within 100km of my submarines.

OOC: It doesn't matter if your troops are within Axackal, SS. IF they are withing 250 km from mine, they are in range of those AS-19's

IC:

To : Austar Union Government
Subject : Re: Peace Treaty.

"We would be glad to sign the treaty, however, given the fact your nation has violated a similar agreement before, to guarantee peace between our nations and the security of Allanea, we ask that the Union outpost in Haven be declared an Allanean Province".

To: Allanean Government
Subject: Re: Re: Peace Treaty

"We cannot allow our outpost in Haven to be at risk of being used to attack UnAPS forces. Our troops have already began to fall back, and they are heading towards a port in the north of Axackal. Already, we have several large transport ships in port, and our troops have began to board them. It will take some time, but over the next months, we will be able to completly withdraw."

OOC: Allanea, I actually plan to honor this treaty ;)

To :Austar Union Government

Subject: Re: Re: Re: Peace Treaty

It is not within the purview of this administration to use your outpost for attack against UNAPS or anybody else. If you agree, we will take possession of the outpost as the demilitarized facility (save for Coast Guard facility), immediately after the war, to protect our oil drilling operations in the area.


OOC: And how do I know that IC? I'd need a guarantee, and you already got more money from me than that Island is worth. :D

Taiwan: The Helicopters are now 100km away but 6 of them are dispersed, just out of 100km away. Feel free to blow em away :o

ooc: And yeah, I picked the wrong ASROC, oh well. Its still the SS-N-29.


Scandavian States:

As the JF-20's are intercepted, they fire off their 200 mile range missiles at the intercepting aircraft picked up by AWACs. Immediatly the MiG-39 High Speed/High Altitude interceptors are scrambled and hit mach 4 heading straight for the inbound bombers. They will also fire off their AA-13's (200 mile range) then close and fire off their QAAM's.
However, 8 JF-20's are downed by intercepting enemy fighters, but all 8 do manage to get their shots off first due to AWACs support.

The Fleet is now positioning the 48 TAMD Mk II's within the fleet to deal with the approaching bombers. A flight of Su-37-900's take off from Allanean airfields armed with KH-31 Anti-AWACs missiles. They will hunt down any enemy AWACs before the missiles can be launched.

ooc2: About the Nuking back.. good luck. I said conventional, as I do believe this is no nukes. Doesn't mean no chemical warfare though. Poor Poor edolia :twisted:

OOC: finally had time to make an IC post.

IC: The time has come for the Imperial Empire of Belem to help its friend Allenea in there struggle for freedom against the encroaching communist horde. I have ordered the Inquisition and military to use every means necessary to defend Allenean soveriegnty and remove the yoke of communist oppression from Axackel.
-excerpt of Emperor's speech to the Empire

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Meanwhile in Belem 2 full Imperial fleets depart from ports followed by over hundred transport ships head for Allenea(following a course of the least resistance, basically they are heading to a sea zone where there are no blockaders) to begin landing troops.
Aboard the transport ships are 5 divisions of battle hardened troops who saw combat in the Aerion-Belem four years before.

ETA 4 RL hours.
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Statistics for Each fleet:
4 Intrepid Class Nuclear Carriers
4 Fiery Avenger Missile Ships
4 Shield AA ships
4 Tracker ASW ships
20 Iowa Class battleships
30 Ticonderoga Cruisers
40 Perry Frigates
60 Burke Destroyers
OOC: edit I left out my subs damn second page of my NS file
5 LA class attack subs(using caterpillar drives)
5 Virginia class attack subs(using caterpillar drives)

Statistics for each division:
25 thousand total troops(including all crews and artillery men only 10 thousand are infantry fighters)
10 thousand infantry(mechanized in Cavalier IFVs)
1000 Cavalier IFVs
700 Crusader Tanks(125mm gun)
700 Crusader II tanks(150mm gun)
100 Lancer tanks(railgun tank)
500 pieces of self propelled artillery
500 pieces of towed artillery
50 Cobra gunships
50 Apache gunships
approx. 1500 trucks and humvees in support roles
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(OOC: im working on the number of support personal following the troops)

OOC: About the Nuking back.. good luck. I said conventional, as I do believe this is no nukes. Doesn't mean no chemical warfare though. Poor Poor edolia :twisted:

OOC: I beleive that using Comventional ICBM's is probably the stupidest thing you can do in a high tension war. Seeing as it is imposible for anyone to tell if they are loaded with Nuclear Warheads or not and we certainly can't trust you to be honest... all nations in the real world would automatically react thinking it was a all out nuclear strike.

I've seen nations nuked into the ground because of the use of Conventional Warhead ICBM's... quite frankly all nations would assume it's a nuclear strike and would be within their right to react as though it was.

If you listen to anything I've ever said then let it be about these ICBM's, they will be seen as nuclear even if they are not and they will be reacted to as though they were. You've government should know this and so does any sensible nation... mutually assured destruction will occure if you launch any form of ICBM. They can't trust that they aren't and just because people have agreed not to use nuclear weapons doesn't mean people can't react to something which looks like a all out nuclear war.

I'm pretty sure that Ruhr (the nation thats meant to be acting as a ref) would agree that such an attack would be stupidly dangerous to your nation.

[Artista, would you mind taking into account some things and then editing your post i.e. RPing an approach so I can smack your interceptors down?

1) In order to be 2,000 kilometers away from Dublin your fleets would have to be sitting right off my coast and therefor well within range of both my coastal batteries and air defenses.

2) To even attempt to get within 200km of my bombers once the first wave turned around and the second through fifth were waved off you would have to pass over the air defenses of three cities and two fleets.

3) A squadron is 72 aircraft each firing twelve missiles with a range of 250 miles (400 kilometers) and a speed of Mach 6, I'd expect that those JF-20s would have taken much heavier losses from the interceptors alone, never mind the horrific gauntlet of air defenses said aircraft would have to go through.]

[Artista, would you mind taking into account some things and then editing your post i.e. RPing an approach so I can smack your interceptors down?

1) In order to be 2,000 kilometers away from Dublin your fleets would have to be sitting right off my coast and therefor well within range of both my coastal batteries and air defenses.

2) To even attempt to get within 200km of my bombers once the first wave turned around and the second through fifth were waved off you would have to pass over the air defenses of three cities and two fleets.

3) A squadron is 72 aircraft each firing twelve missiles with a range of 250 miles (400 kilometers) and a speed of Mach 6, I'd expect that those JF-20s would have taken much heavier losses from the interceptors alone, never mind the horrific gauntlet of air defenses said aircraft would have to go through.]

1) The missiles have a range of 5000km, so consider it at 5,000km.

2) Its 200 miles, and I have Mach 4 interceptors that have an RCS equal to that of the F-22.

3)psst, you never mentioned that. Oh, and no AWACs support means very shitty long range hit percentile.
EDIT: Also, Im passing through Allanean territory to intercept, therefor if you turn around, obviously I will turn around.

[
1) Whatever, your fleets still have to be in the northern sea.
2) You do realize that 200 miles is an even greater distance, don't you? Picking up and taking out your interceptors would be a peace of cake for my fixed and naval radar/AA systems.
3) Actually, I meant wing, but it still applies. If the missiles have independant millimeter band radars it doesn't and Phoenix missiles do just fine being guided by the F-14's radar. If your fighters were coming out of Allanea to attempt the intercept then they were out of position in the first place and would have never have made the intercept even if they'd managed to get through ten interceptor wings and Dublin's air defenses.
4) About your "conventional" ICBMs aka national death wishes, there isn't any high explosive that I know of that wouldn't cook off and explode upon re-entry into orbit, even with the heatshield temps around the warhead would be just on the cool side of plasma.]

The Belem fleet has arrived off the coast of Allenea and have begun disembarkment of troops.

The five divisions will begin heading towards the center of fighting by the Axackel border.

OOC: Sorry for posting here not as a war participant, but as for the conventional ICBM debate, I bring you one example:
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=85060&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=80 (Scroll down to post #3-4.)
And the result? This (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=93916).
People, please think before you actually launch your ICBMs. They are to be taken as nuclear delivery vehicles, and people will think that you are firing nukes at them even if you only fire the conventional ones. It's next to impossible, as I believe, in a modern/post-modern timeline for the development of some form of technologies to be installed on these IR sensor-carrying satellites (http://globalsecurity.org/space/systems/sbir.htm) or ground/sea-based satellite to identify which warhead is filled with explosive or which one is filled with nuke materials.

My $0.02

[1. You DO NOT tell me where my fleet is. I RPed my fleet moving into Allaneas southern coast, and NO ONE intercepted or did jack all. In the map of Haven there is no Scale ratio on it, and 5000km is a very very far distance. Either you don't know how far 5000km is, or your just an idiot.

2. Your intercepting me in Allanean territory, I highly doubt your fixed ground stations will find me, as stations on the ground tend to have a smaller detection zone due to ground interference and obsticals. Thus why its better to use an AWACs which you don't have.

3. As I stated before, my AWACs have powerful jammers. Also you said they were using radar, you did not say you were using look down radar, or the other tried and true methods of detecting stealth. For an intercepting plane you would have an incredibly hard time of even knowing their there until within my missile range. As for your missiles, with the milimeter radar. The Pheonix missile has a considerably less range then 250 miles, yes?

4. I would use Conventional ICBMs because I believed Nukes to be banned in this RP, ie they do not exist for this RP. Thus, no, you would not nuke someone for it because nukes are banned. AND in some idiotic instances it could cook off, but you can also make a timed delay just like any bomb. And also depending on the payload. Like a FAE.]

I would use Conventional ICBMs because I believed Nukes to be banned in this RP, ie they do not exist for this RP. Thus, no, you would not nuke someone for it because nukes are banned. AND in some idiotic instances it could cook off, but you can also make a timed delay just like any bomb. And also depending on the payload. Like a FAE.]
<<OOC: I don't have time to make a real post (I'll probably do it later today) but I just wanted to point out that we didn't OOC ban nukes in this RP. We just suggested that they not be used. However, as people have pointed out, ICBMs will be assumed to be carrying nuclear weapons (if we assumed otherwise, our nations would be run by morons, as as nation that uses conventional ICBMs obviously is). So, unless you enjoy getting your nation turned into a nuclear wasteland, hold off on the ICBMs. K?>>

[ooc: Of course me getting nuked makes sence, However, I would only use conventional if nukes were not allowed, meaning you could not nuke back :roll:
Is that sucha hard concept to pass through your brain?
Now that I know Nukes are merely frowned upon, I cannot/will not launch conventional ICBM's.]

OOC: I know im not part of this ATM, but i need to keep track for when I enter. So TAG.

OOC:

3. As I stated before, my AWACs have powerful jammers. Also you said they were using radar, you did not say you were using look down radar, or the other tried and true methods of detecting stealth. For an intercepting plane you would have an incredibly hard time of even knowing their there until within my missile range. As for your missiles, with the milimeter radar. The Pheonix missile has a considerably less range then 250 miles, yes?

OOC: Radar jamming is not stealth, but it functions much like a decoy: the enemy will know that you are there, but they don't exactly know where you are, and the likes (essentially to harass them). The effect will stay on the "enemy" fighter jet's radar screen. Nor is "look down" a specific method of detecting stealth targets, it's another method/capability in modern radars of detecting targets below you while keeping the altitude (hence look "down") although with a smaller range. By jamming the radar, with an especially powerful one, it would also be easier for Scandavian States to detect you with both radar warning receivers (keep in mind that your AWACS does emit radar wave) and radars (modern radars that is able to disguinish jamming signals from "normal" deflected radar waves), and it would also be easy for Scandavian States to fire his missiles in Home-On-Jam mode (a mode in the AIM-120 and some other MRAAMs in which before an "ECM burn-through" is achieved, the missile would home on the jamming signal). Quite dangerous for some special missions actually.
Tactical radar jamming isn't much what people expect to be.

Hope some of my pointers would clear a few points. Sorry for posting here OOCly.

[1. You DO NOT tell me where my fleet is. I RPed my fleet moving into Allaneas southern coast, and NO ONE intercepted or did jack all. In the map of Haven there is no Scale ratio on it, and 5000km is a very very far distance. Either you don't know how far 5000km is, or your just an idiot.
[See, that's the thing, I've actually looked at the map of Haven and also know that my country is physically the size of China except with a huge vertical bias. What I'm telling you is the only way your missiles could be launched from sea and actually hit anything in my country is if they're in the northern sea or in that vacinity, the scale on the map dictates that, not you or I.]


2. Your intercepting me in Allanean territory, I highly doubt your fixed ground stations will find me, as stations on the ground tend to have a smaller detection zone due to ground interference and obsticals. Thus why its better to use an AWACs which you don't have.

[Who says I don't have AWACs? I only use them to guide my aircraft when I don't have ground installations of my own. And yes, ground installations tend to have smaller detection zones, unless they'e 2-5x more powerful than the RL Cobra Dane radars. And no, I'm not intercepting anything in Allanean territory, I stated my interceptors were there to prevent enemy aircraft from entering my territory.]


3. As I stated before, my AWACs have powerful jammers. Also you said they were using radar, you did not say you were using look down radar, or the other tried and true methods of detecting stealth. For an intercepting plane you would have an incredibly hard time of even knowing their there until within my missile range. As for your missiles, with the milimeter radar. The Pheonix missile has a considerably less range then 250 miles, yes?

[Jamming can be burned through with even aircraft radars much less the large and extremely powerful (as in they could bounce a signal off the moon and get a good return) phased array ground radars that I use. The same applies to stealth, something that will be incredibly small on an aircraft's radar would look like a boulder for my ground installations. And yes, about half of that but the F-14's radar can easily see that far (more than the 125 miles that is the official radar distance) and guides the Phoenix in which doesn't have anything except a basic and rather weak radar whereas my missiles have a significantly more powerful millimeter band radars.]


4. I would use Conventional ICBMs because I believed Nukes to be banned in this RP, ie they do not exist for this RP. Thus, no, you would not nuke someone for it because nukes are banned. AND in some idiotic instances it could cook off, but you can also make a timed delay just like any bomb. And also depending on the payload. Like a FAE.]
[No, nukes aren't "banned" and even if they were I wouldn't know that your missiles were conventional IC and would therefor be forced to respond with nuclear weapons because our official policy on conventional ICBMs is that they're just a facade for nuclear ICBMs. The highest cook-off point I've seen for any high-explosive 1200 degrees fahrenheit while temps inside an RV reach 4000 degrees fahrenheit. No timing device is going to stop a cook-off because once the explosive reaches a certain temperature it just explodes.]

[Ok, Im tired of this arguing out of character bullshit. Neither of us is getting the point the other is trying to make, especially about the nukes part. Therefor Consider this entire past action canceled. However, I'd like to note, 5000km would prolly still hit your Dublin Area.]

OOC: Carried from here (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3138187&highlight=#3138187)

Also, what is the climate of Axackal at this time of year? What is the terrain?

IC:

The camp was preparing to pack up after about a week of hanging low. All forces were preparing to move out, with the exception of several thousand guards.

General Ivanov, riding in a Humvee, was prepared for the coming fight. He ordered all forces full speed across Axackal, and would reach their final destination within the next three days or so. They would come about 10 km behind the main line of troops, and wait for instructions from allied generals in the area. Lietuveska was prepared to fight for its allies, and would not dare abandon them.

The Belem fleet has arrived off the coast of Allenea and have begun disembarkment of troops.

The five divisions will begin heading towards the center of fighting by the Axackel border.

(OOC: Absolutely not. RP getting past the combined fleets up there, and then you can land your troops.)

The Belem fleet has arrived off the coast of Allenea and have begun disembarkment of troops.

The five divisions will begin heading towards the center of fighting by the Axackel border.

(OOC: Absolutely not. RP getting past the combined fleets up there, and then you can land your troops.)

OOC: I posted the movement of my fleets no one challeneged so I commenced landings.

[Erm, perhaps you can do it somewhere that we can see? The reason your fleet wasn't challenged and promptly crushed was because no one saw your "movements". Hell, you didn't even specify which sea.

OOC: I said the fleet was taking what ever route had the least amount of enemy ships in its way. From reading this thread I have yet to figure out which approach that is since the sea battle seems to be thorughly confusing to the point of making the land war seem nice and organized.

OOC: I said the fleet was taking what ever route had the least amount of enemy ships in its way. From reading this thread I have yet to figure out which approach that is since the sea battle seems to be thorughly confusing to the point of making the land war seem nice and organized.

(OOC: That's wonderful. We don't know where your fleet is, and neither do you. Anything else you'd like to add?)

OOC: lets see theres no map posted in the thread. everything seems to be all just slumped about with no organization. If I could actual tell where everything was located I would be more specific but other then the fact I know theres a fleet somewhere, there are 40 inch guns in SS and that all the action is taking place on the axackel border I don't know where most of the things are placed.

In Fact I made a post in both this thread and the OOC thread asking about the geography and position of the fleets both of which were completely ignored.

[Well, I have two of my old fleets up north near my coastline that comprises about 450 ships as well as the AITF which is another 236 ships. Oh, and I'm pretty sure it's impossible to go through the northern sea route without coming into range of the shore batteries of at least one city. I can't be sure, but I believe Doujin has posted that he's moving a fleet or two into the southern sea and that'd be a pretty tough bone to chew on in its own right.

About the map(s), Goobergunchia started a map thread with all the relevant maps, so go look that up and you'll have all the visual aids you could wish for.]

I also have fleets off of Allanea's SW coast, and control of the SW coast of Allanea (I think, Allanea hasn't been active for three days and hasn't responded to me in at least 6 :P)

***quadruple post****

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***I blame this on the NS servers****

map thread (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=137941&highlight=)

OOC: Just to make my own position clear, Im not too bothered where this all goes but if there is the chance for peace ill take it gladly, seeing as I now want to develop my own storyline.

The Artitsan 182nd Infantry Battalion, otherwise known as SEDCOG (Special Extended Duration Covert Operations Group) is now moving an area just south of Axackal. They will cross the border while a single infantry division makes a headlong assault north. The Infantry division consists of 22,000 Soldiers, 2,200 Volk IFVs, 240 T-80UM6's, and 120 Grizzly Mk II Heavy tanks. (Plus SAMs and that business. Oh and Artillary, MLRs, and TOS-1's.)

As they assault, the Battalion will slip through, using UAVs to determine enemy positions along with Satellite intel gained earlier.
The Battalion consists of 250 Soldiers, each armed with an AVU-96 assault rifle, and Bayonet ATGM. The Battalion is broken down into 5 Companies, each with 50 men. In each Company there is 8 Igla-S MANPADs, 3 RPG-29's, 2 RPO-S Thermobic Missiles, and 4 82mm Mortars. Some soldiers carry the ATGM plus another missile system, but the ATGM is light enough to allow this double carryage. Each soldier carries alot of ammunition, and rations. Each company has one laptop, and ALL Soldiers have the Force Warrior system. Every rifle is silenced, and all have 60mag clips. Theres not much else to it.

ooc: Lemme know if the penetrate the lines undetected or not, and if the enemy gets off a communication. Keep in mind the Division attacking.

IC:

The aide to General Asherton saluted and gave Asherton a status report on the First Army:

ALL INFANTRY AND TANKS UNLOADED IN KIEV.

"Have the 1st Army moved up immediately. When the 2nd Army arrives, we'll move out of reserve position on the Axackal front and hit the front lines."

<<OOC: Time for a post...>>

So for the breaking of the blockade 200 of the Empire's most unique bombers-B-747-X, complete with 80 cruise missles-swarm down upon a section of the blockade, blast 70 yakhont-3s at the blockading forces, and then launch defensive TWAAM-01 missles before any fighters appear, so that when they do appear the missles will already be closer to the fighter than the fighter is to the bomber (it has its own tracking system, etc.). The bombers proceed to Allanean airfields, having flown all the way from Fluffywuffy.

Now with the near 100% assurance of the blockade being broken or at least destroyable in another pass, the 1,000 of the Raysian built hypersonic transports-RT-20X7-land in Allanea the muscle needed to turn the tide of battle-artilery. 4,000 M270 MRLS peices are moved to Allanea, the rest of the space on the aircraft used for crew.
<<OOC: A quick note: As The Freethinkers (and I think some others) have pointed out, mass missile attacks aren't necessarily the most effective way to take down an enemy fleet. Countermeasures can generally be pretty effective in knocking out massed missiles.>>

As the massive barrage of Fluffywuffian missiles nears the Edolian fleet, defense systems are activated. With anti-missile systems prevalent aboard Edolian vessals, survival would normally be estimated to be relatively good. However, the sheer numbers of Fluffywuffian missiles make the chances that the fleet will come out alive very low. As the missiles stream down, Hornet anti-missile rockets streak up towards the enemy missiles, putting a screen of lead up and tearing thousands apart. Thousands more are wiped out by the anti-missile miniguns aboard all ships -- especially the fleet defense vessals. Another important element to the defense of the fleet are the active electronic systems, jamming enemy missiles, confusing them and sending them off-course. Casualties, however, are still devestating.

Fleet numbers before Fluffywuffian assault:
10 Imperätor class aircraft carrier
40 Himelburg class aircraft carriers
12 Imperatrix class missile boat carrier
20 Tetelburg class battleships
64 Pythonia-SSD class surface destroyers
54 Pythonia-ASD class anti-submarine destroyers
64 Pythonia-SAD class anti-air destroyers
40 Pythonia-HBD class heavy bombardment destroyers
60 Pythonia-FDD class ABM destroyers
28 Blätterschplitt class arsenal ships
56 Gerburg class arsenal ships
176 Landia class long-range missile boat/frigates
17 Lavernia class nuclear attack submarines
30 Saspa class light attack submarines
24 Nanaki class nuclear missile submarines
24 Terson class missile submarines

Casualties:

6 Imperätor class aircraft carrier
29 Himelburg class aircraft carriers
7 Imperatrix class missile boat carrier
11 Tetelburg class battleships
36 Pythonia-SSD class surface destroyers
31 Pythonia-ASD class anti-submarine destroyers
25 Pythonia-SAD class anti-air destroyers
29 Pythonia-HBD class heavy bombardment destroyers
35 Pythonia-FDD class ABM destroyers
19 Blätterschplitt class arsenal ships
21 Gerburg class arsenal ships
47 Landia class long-range missile boat/frigates
1 Lavernia class nuclear attack submarines

This puts the Edolian fleet in a difficult situation. As the Edolian fleet limps back towards the Haven Straights, surviving aircraft move to relocate into Axackal where they will join the air forces already there. Arsenal ships and submarines however, stay at the front. With their stealthy design, they mostly came out unscathed from the missile assaults and will still be in a position to launch missiles. Small supply boats will continually replenish their supply of missiles.

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<<OOC: Because I forgot to reply regarding Allanean Slander missiles...>>
The Slander missiles suffer the same fate as the Dart SAMs fired by the Allanean troops. The speedy Edolian fighters easily out-run the unadvanced missiles and casualties are minimal. Just over two hundred fighters are destroyed -mostly due to accidents and miscalculations.

Everything mentioned before here brings Edolian aircraft numbers to:
4,027 YT/A-2 Hellion Fighter/Interceptors
4,069 YT/A-3 Hellion Fighter/Bombers
2,015 BX/f-25 “Barking Gerbil” Fighter Support Planes
2,10 Assorted Support (Recon, Early Warning, Electronic Warfare) Fighters
1,111 RX-12 Roc Unmanned Heavy Stealth Bombers
1,598 TB-21 Light Stealth Bombers

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Screams of the dying fill the air. 50,000 Fantasaniain troopd snf 20,000 Tar-Kerillion troops are killed by the Edolians. After the feeble Edolian attempt to locate the launnch sites of shoulder-fired missiles, the Alllaneans begin another offensive. Immediately, the 40mm grenades begin landing amongst the sodliders, but the shrapnel from such grenades is too feeble to pierce Mk III Rayisan armour. Thus, only 10,000 Allaneans are killed due to the assault. Also killed are 50,000 Ter Kerillion troops and 10,000 more Fantasanians.
<<OOC: This is just ridiculous. Basically, you're saying that each of our shells kills on average a soldier. And this isn't taking into account about 600,000 grenades, tens of thousands of missiles (AT against APCs and AP against infantry), strafing runs, thousands upon thousands of tank shells... Not to mention the massive waves of lead that your charging armies would have to go through... There is a reason that trench warfare stopped being used after WW1. BECAUSE IT DOESN'T WORK! I'm not going to just let you take back your mass attack order, because you made it IC. I will, however, insist that you take reasonable casualties for it. Which should be massive. Until you do, I'm going to assume that no pressure is being placed on Edolian troops.

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The Imperator nodded. There was little need for the fleet at this point anyway. With most of the arsenal ships still intact, the heavy fire support would stay in theatre. He turned his attention to the other major issue demanding his attention. "Proceed with Operation Slight Discomfort."

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The first stage of Operation Slight Discomfort was in full swing. As thousands upon thousands of Edolian fighters took off, followed up by waves of bombers, the air was thick with Edolian fighters. They flew in small waves, to avoid heavy enemy anti-air fire. Any Allanean radar batteries that attempted to detect the extremely stealthy fighters were immediately flattened by HARM missiles and any AWACs engaged and destroyed by advanced air-to-air fighters. As thousands of HARM missiles rained down against foreign air-batteries, it was clear what the purpose of this strike was: Win complete and utter air dominance. Without any real detection systems, the Allanea Dart missiles would be worthless and the chances of of an Allanean radar system to be able to survive under the constant pressure from Edolian fighters was near zero.

The 4,000 mixed assortment of Mintaran fighters (mostly advanced Edolian-built Phoenix-IIIs) had a different task than their Edolian allies. Accompanying the Edolian bombers, they were to engage the cheap, new Allanean fighters directly, and keep the pressure off of the Edolian stealth bombers, which in turn were to reduce every Allanean airfield to rubble. There were more than enough bombers to do it, and the Edolian intelligence would have little difficulty finding the airfields.

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<<OOC: So... here's the situation: We've got a bunch of nations on two sides, slugging away at each other with no real end in sight. Both sides feel that the other is bending the rules of reality and neither can agree on issues. Both Allanea and I are having a lot of difficulty finding the time (and in my case the energy) to make posts of any quality or to keep up with events. Everyone I'm sure is getting sick of this. Again, it's lasted for about a month now [RT] and I don't think it will be stopping anytime in the near future. I don't want to just IGNORE this, because of the IC implications, but I will be forced to do so if this doesn't end at some point. I'm really not much of a fan of war RPs and don't want to have Edolia tied up for so long like this. It's getting to be a real drag. There are quite a lot of other projects I want to work on. So... let's end this IC.>>

Message to all combatants:
[i]"The Edolian government and people have been tiring of this war, which Allanea began unjustly and without cause. We are willing to make immediate peace, with the following conditions:
1. A non-aggression treaty be signed between UnAPS nations and Accord members. This treaty will expire in two months [RT].
2. Allanea will recognize the right of the people of Axackal to choose their government and will recognize the right of Edolia to rule their sovereign territory.
3. All UnAPS nations will recognize the right of Allanea to control The Prophet, taken from Goobergunchia, no longer a member of UnAPS."

<<OOC: Take it... it's a pretty good deal considering what we have planned for the future...>>

Multi-post.

OOC: Ileed how many ships do you have in the southwest?

OOC: it's posted here: http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=138154&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=180

because it's not at the Axackal front. Yallack's navy is also stationed there and he has agreed to support me.

OOC: damn it I would have to fight through the feline forces to be able to get to axackel then.

IC: heres the approach route for my fleet. Coming from the North West of Atlantic Island considering the population of the surrounding countries im assuming the actual size of that region to be quite large in the order of atleast a few hundred miles of ocean between Goob and Scandivian states.

So The fleet is being positioned so it stays atleast 200-300 miles away from the scandanivian coastline at all times.

[Artista et all: For those of you who are posting that your divisions comprise 20,000+ troops, I have a question. You all do realize that normal divisions rarely have more than 15,000 and never more than 20,000 troops and no more than a third of them are infantry, right? Also, the vehicle counts for a majority of the divisions (most of which I gather of the infantry variety) is a little high, US mechanized infantry divisions usually feature no more than 250 tanks and maybe 200 more than that worth of IFVs.

Also, could you be a bit more specific with your last action Artista, it's a bit more vague than I like to respond to.]

exactly they are on the map as of this moment?]

Statistics for Each fleet:
4 Intrepid Class Nuclear Carriers
4 Fiery Avenger Missile Ships
4 Shield AA ships
4 Tracker ASW ships
20 Iowa Class battleships
30 Ticonderoga Cruisers
40 Perry Frigates
60 Burke Destroyers
OOC: edit I left out my subs damn second page of my NS file
10 LA class attack subs(using caterpillar drives)
10 Virginia class attack subs(using caterpillar drives)

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OOC: lets say there general position is passing by Atlantic Island now to the west 100-200 miles.

[How many of those fleets are in the area?]

First Sea Lord Tzu was pouring over the maps of the Northern Sea and its surrounding landmasses, trying to soak up any relevant information. "Okay, we have two options. One is to slip the AITF around the opposite side of Atlantic Island and behind the Belem fleet while the First Defense Fleet cuts off their route to Allanea, their only real option would be to try to slip past our northern coast. That of course would bring them into the waiting arms of the First Assault Fleet and the coastal defenses and since they aren't likely to come out of any encounter with the AITF and First Defense Fleet unscathed... well, you all get the picture.

Our second option is to do the same with the AITF but throw both fleets at the Belem fleet and constrict them to death. I don't really like this plan because it leaves our coast relatively undefended.

So, what's the consensus here?"

The other Sea Lords agreed with Tzu and orders were cut to the relevant commands to begin surging immediately. The First Defense Fleet slipped along the Scandavian coastline, then south, and then finally began moving parallel to a point just north of the southernmost Goobergunchian city, which removed any possibility of getting to Allanea without an engagement. The First Assault Fleet swung like a door along the northern coastline of the city of Helsinki, effectively eliminating that escape route. Finally, the Atlantic Island Task Force went around the backside of Atlantic Island, going northeast and then northwest which brought them about four hundred miles behind the Belem fleet. The Belem ships were effectively trapped in a triangle of ships that were capable of coming in as one and ending their entire world.

“This is Admiral Harrington of His Imperial Majesty’s Ship Leviathan, I call on the commander of the Belem naval taskforce to stand down and leave the area, failure to comply will lead to the complete destruction of your taskforce. I urge whoever is in command on the other end of this hail to weigh the lives of your men and women against the support of a nation who values the lives of its citizens so little that it allows prisoners and 16-year-old boys to be slaughtered wholesale because they are not willing to accept defeat. You have five minutes to reply, failure to do so will be taken as a reply in the negetive and His Imperial Majesty’s navy will respond in the manner we have threatened to.” Harrington then turned to the captain of the Leviathan and said, “Signal the other fleets to start closing in quickly and I want our carriers to begin preparing alpha strikes. Also signal the Helsinki cruise missile silos to prep for launch, we might need some backup.”


[The First Defense Fleet consists of the following:
10 Luna Class CVNs
20 MacKensen class BBGNs
50 Thatcher class DDGNs
50 Meteora class CGNs
50 Orion class FFGNs
25 Upholder class SSNs (water jet “caterpillar” drives and a special gel that makes detection below thirty knots speed virtually impossible)
5 Norasia class fleet supply vessels

The First Assault Fleet consists of the following:
5 Luna Class CVNs
10 MacKensen class BBGNs
50 Thatcher class DDGNs
50 Meteora class CGNs
50 Orion class FFGNs
25 Upholder class SSNs (water jet “caterpillar” drives and a special gel that makes detection below thirty knots speed virtually impossible)
5 Norasia class fleet supply vessels
3 Assault ships (not attached for this action)

The AITF consists of the following:
4 Leviathan class SDs (superdreadnaughts)
28 Fenrir class DNs (dreadnaughts)
12 Ryuho class BCGNs
64 Alexandria class CANs
128 Gaea class DDGNs
32 Norasia class supply ships
32 Upholder class SSNs]

OOC: its both fleets with transport ships in the center when I copied and pasted i missed the transports which is about 100.

IC: about 40% of the fleets aircraft are in the air on patrol. 140 F-40 Vampires and 140 F-42 Tiger sharks. About 20 choppers are in the air scanning for submarines using active pinging while the rest of the fleet is using passive(so they dont reveal there positions.)

The fleets movements begin to head southwest to get distance from the island.

Transmission to Scandinavian fleet barely audible and static: "Repeat....Message...we...bringing....humanitarum...Alennea"

Meanwhile the fleet goes to General Quarters and begins plotting firing solutions fpr AS missiles.

OOC: info on Belem missiles
Javelin missile Anti Ship(can be modified to fire against land targets not done ussualy.) Has to engagement modes sea skimmer and high altitude attack.
Speed: Mach3-4 Sea Skimmer mode Mach 7 high altitude attack in high attack mode the missile comes down at a 45 degree angle at the target.
Range:300 miles, 150 for air launched version.
Warhead: deep penetration warhead 550 pound warhead Silicone composite explosive 4x more powerful then C4.

OOC: 2: how far away are your fleets from my fleet? Im assuming atleast 100+ miles meaning guns won't play a roll until a close engagement.

[So you have one combat fleet and one transport fleet? Or is it two combined fleets? The AITF is 400 miles behind your fleet while the other two have closed to 600 and are holding relative to your position. And if you think guns aren't going to come into this, you're going to be in for a nasty surprise.]

"Repeat....message...we...bringing....humanitarian...Allenea"

Harrington didn't bother responding to the message itself but shared a chuckle with her command bridge personel, "I don't think I'm going to be buying dehydrated water today. Signal all fleets to general quarters and order a cruise missile strike against those carriers and arsenal ships, they're the only real defense those fleets have against us and I want them gone."

The HIMS Ryuho turned broadside and began launching missiles, staggering the launches in such a way the once a salvo of missiles was halfway between the horizon and the target another salvo would appear. This was designed to overwhelm and confuse the point defenses of the ships and as a result get consistant kills against the carriers and missile boats. Even if 90% of the missiles were shot down, that was still nine or ten missiles per ship.


[Each salvo is 96 missiles and each targetted ship (the carriers and missile ships) gets a salvo. Stats on the Fasthawk cruise missile are as follows:
Speed: Terrain following max speed is Mach 5 and top attack max speed is Mach 12
Range: 400 miles for terrain following and 1200 miles for top attack
Warhead: 1000kg (2200lbs) penetrating warhead with RDX (which is roughly four times as powerful as C4)

It should be noted that in this case the missiles went into terrain following mode.]

[ooc: Can you explain your Radar here, so it can be scutinzed by all. I've been told by many people that, that is major BS. I'll put some detail into the Division attacking now as I now have the time to do so. And about that no more then 20,000+ business... yeah, but this is Nationstates, and every country can organize their military differently. If I have that many tanks in a Infantry division, imagine my armour divisions.]

[ic]
The attack:
Hundreds of tiny tiny UAVs were in the air, as Satellites also gained key information on targets along the border. They relayed this information to the Artitsan forces below.
Starts off with 38 Iskander-E tactical missile launches at key artillary installations, while 82 Smerch-M and 18 Uragan MLRs systems move in to fire off their payloads and scoot off. Over 380 MSTA-S Self-Propelled 150mm Artillary move up and fire from 50km away, moving and shooting the entire time. The 2200 Volk IFVs now sped along at 40 to 50mph towards the enemy, and once within 12km of ANY enemy armour they would fire off 2 to 4 Bayonet ATGMs which are top attack optically guided anti-tank missiles with a penetration value of 2500mm with ERA. The Grizzly Mk II's would hang back slightly, but the T-80UM6's sped along right beside the Volk IFV's disgorging the same amount of missiles both from the barrel of their guns and the Missile pod on the side of the turret.
Any artillary launched at these forces will be found using simple trig and sound ranging, and the response will be swift. Over 200 SA-30's accompanied the forces, and had the ability to target Tactical missiles and unguided MLRs rockets. They would prove crucial to any inbound Rockets and Missiles.

[ooc: Do you want to know anything else? Keep in mind I DO have airforces nearby on high alert ready to take off.]

OOC: Damn forum. I just wrote an uber long post and the server gobbled it up.

Ill just cliftnote the actions. Carriers begin launching all fighters onboard. The fleet turns towards the AITF fleet and heads towards it at a slight angle to ensure an escape route if neccesary. Also the fleet starts electronic jamming to disrupt incomign missiles

60 F-40s and 60 F-42s go on attack runs on the AITF Fleet . the F-42s launch 6 Javelins each and the F-40s launch 4 each. Total:600. Half of them are in high attack mode other half sea skimmer mode

The other fighters in the air are maintaing postion approx. 300 miles from the other fleets in high altitude intercept mode 60 thousand fleet+

Steel wall(RL equivelent is metal storm) defenses open fire on the incoming missiles which fragmentation and direct fire rounds as they try to hit the carriers and missile ships at the center of the fleet.

Approx. 60 missiles get through

9 destroyers damaged
1 Carrier has to suspend flight actions from damage to the elavators and hangers
1 Missile ship is at 25% combat efficiency from missile damage.
4 Frigates damaged
8 Troop transports damaged

OOC: Damn forum. I just wrote an uber long post and the server gobbled it up.

Ill just cliftnote the actions. Carriers begin launching all fighters onboard. The fleet turns towards the AITF fleet and heads towards it at a slight angle to ensure an escape route if neccesary. Also the fleet starts electronic jamming to disrupt incomign missiles

60 F-40s and 60 F-42s go on attack runs on the AITF Fleet . the F-42s launch 6 Javelins each and the F-40s launch 4 each. Total:600. Half of them are in high attack mode other half sea skimmer mode

The other fighters in the air are maintaing postion approx. 300 miles from the other fleets in high altitude intercept mode 60 thousand fleet+

Steel wall(RL equivelent is metal storm) defenses open fire on the incoming missiles which fragmentation and direct fire rounds as they try to hit the carriers and missile ships at the center of the fleet.

Approx. 60 missiles get through

9 destroyers damaged
1 Carrier has to suspend flight actions from damage to the elavators and hangers
1 Missile ship is at 25% combat efficiency from missile damage.
4 Frigates damaged
8 Troop transports damaged

OOC: Damn forum. I just wrote an uber long post and the server gobbled it up.

Ill just cliftnote the actions. Carriers begin launching all fighters onboard. The fleet turns towards the AITF fleet and heads towards it at a slight angle to ensure an escape route if neccesary. Also the fleet starts electronic jamming to disrupt incomign missiles

60 F-40s and 60 F-42s go on attack runs on the AITF Fleet . the F-42s launch 6 Javelins each and the F-40s launch 4 each. Total:600. Half of them are in high attack mode other half sea skimmer mode

The other fighters in the air are maintaing postion approx. 300 miles from the other fleets in high altitude intercept mode 60 thousand fleet+

Steel wall(RL equivelent is metal storm) defenses open fire on the incoming missiles which fragmentation and direct fire rounds as they try to hit the carriers and missile ships at the center of the fleet.

Approx. 60 missiles get through

9 destroyers damaged
1 Carrier has to suspend flight actions from damage to the elavators and hangers
1 Missile ship is at 25% combat efficiency from missile damage.
4 Frigates damaged
8 Troop transports damaged

[Erm, would you mind changing that around a bit? The missiles were targetted against carriers and arsenal ships only and wouldn't have gone after the smaller ships, they really wouldn't have had time to adjust their flight path that much anyway. It should be noted that a 2200lb penetrating warhead would seriously damage an Iowa and would probably sink anything smaller than a capital ship. I'll repond IC later.]

OOC: the carriers are in the center of the group so they would of had to fly through most of the fleet to hit the carriers and judging by the stats of the missile the missile would have to be quite large in excess of 30 feet and thus not as manuerable hence the reason for hitting the stuff. As for damage Im basing this on WWII Kamikazes which would of been in excess of 2200 pound explosion requiring multiple hits to sink destroyers and frigates.

OOC: the carriers are in the center of the group so they would of had to fly through most of the fleet to hit the carriers and judging by the stats of the missile the missile would have to be quite large in excess of 30 feet and thus not as manuerable hence the reason for hitting the stuff. As for damage Im basing this on WWII Kamikazes which would of been in excess of 2200 pound explosion requiring multiple hits to sink destroyers and frigates.

[Erm, would you mind changing that around a bit? The missiles were targetted against carriers and arsenal ships only and wouldn't have gone after the smaller ships, they really wouldn't have had time to adjust their flight path that much anyway. It should be noted that a 2200lb penetrating warhead would seriously damage an Iowa and would probably sink anything smaller than a capital ship. I'll repond IC later.]

OOC: It would 'combat kill' a warship, especially with light armour and mediocre damage containment systems. Sinking an actual warship takes an extremely lucky shot that creates either enough hull stress to crack the keel, or a very lucky below the water shot. Belem would probably see more ships crippled but less actually sunk.

[WWII era destroyers and frigates also had two or three inches of extra armour rivetted onto the 3/4" thick hulls, whereas modern American ships do not. The missiles themselves are as big as any cruise missile but with one big difference, the missile's body bends to create a fully 3D thrust vectoring, so in terrain following mode going over a smaller warship like a destroyer or frigate shouldn't be a problem although more complex manuevers are far more problematic. I'll make an IC response tomorrow morning, but right now I'm too far gone to make an intelligent and creative post.]

OOC: An average cruise missile is 15-20 feet with less then half the payload. Considering a soviet SS-N-25 is mach 3(range of 150km) with a 1000 pound warhead and its 29 feet long. your missile would have to be atleast 30 feet and probably closer to 40 feet or must just to get the range and speed.

Stirred by the commotion outside the command centre, Captain Mauriac, got up and jogged outside. He looked around see several armoured divisions pulling back, accompanied by APC's and ammunition trucks all loaded with infantry. He made his way up to General Caracas.

"What's going on?"
"Were pulling back to the Allanean border"
"Where do you want me?"
"Get your Battalion ready and move out with the next wave"
"What about the rear guard"
"I'll stay behind with them, then blow the command centre. When you get to the border make sure the preparations are going to plan"
"Yes sir"

With that General Caracas moved off continuing to organise the withdrawal.

At the Allanean\Axackal border the first loads of Infantry had already begun building a fortified line, digging artillery positions and establishing a new HQ.

OOC: I was under the impression that as a UnAPS member, I would be told about this. Can someone tell me what's going on?

OOC: I was under the impression that as a UnAPS member, I would be told about this. Can someone tell me what's going on?

<<OOC: Well... it's all over the alliance boards...>>

Stirred by the commotion outside the command centre, Captain Mauriac, got up and jogged outside. He looked around see several armoured divisions pulling back, accompanied by APC's and ammunition trucks all loaded with infantry. He made his way up to General Caracas.

"What's going on?"
"Were pulling back to the Allanean border"
"Where do you want me?"
"Get your Battalion ready and move out with the next wave"
"What about the rear guard"
"I'll stay behind with them, then blow the command centre. When you get to the border make sure the preparations are going to plan"
"Yes sir"

With that General Caracas moved off continuing to organise the withdrawal.

At the Allanean\Axackal border the first loads of Infantry had already begun building a fortified line, digging artillery positions and establishing a new HQ.
<<OOC: Could you tell me what side you're on now? I'm a bit confused as to what exactly is going on with your forces...>>

OOC: I still support Allanea, my military forces stand by fortifying the Allanean/Axackal border in support of Ilek-Vaad to end all hostilities between all nations of this war

OOC: Edolia: Unfortunately for you, your post mentions no tank fire, just a hail of outdated grenades - and I never mentioned using my regular troops in human-wave attacks (I reserve that for penal battalions) The only tactics used by Allanea are standard Infantry tactics (post 1968, please consult current manuals if you don't know, these are by no means human-wave attacks).

Effectively, the creation of full-body suits like the ones used by Edolia and Allanea will render 40mm HEDP shells ineffective, as is actually the real-world DARPA plan in developing such suits.

IC:

"As it stands, we have no desire to accept Edolia's treaty.
However, if Edolia gives up Axackal, Yasmarea, and oil-developement rights in the Haven Straight, furthermore paying reparations to us, we might negotiate somet

OOC: This is all current tech right?

OOC: This is all current tech right?

2000-2020.

Western Allanea

"OK, what's with those planes? Did you get all the pilots you wanted?"

"Yes. At present count, we boosted the Air Force to 3,000 Ann Coulter Mark II's and 3,200 Liberator's."

"Get them into the air. Time them so they hit the Edolians in six waves. There's two goals to this:

First, take out anything they have in the air. Back them up with any Dart missiles we still have on the ground.

Second, drop leaflets. I want a 3 million dollar reward to be declared on that Von Tusk character, alive. No reward if dead. We need to get him"

The fleet had been keeping track of the fighters and knew the instant that they broke off from CAP to make attack runs. In response, the battlecruisers Churyu and Kuroryu began arming their SAMs and waited for the exact moment that the incoming fighters crossed the 250 mile mark, at which point ten Skyhawk surface-to-air missiles per incoming aircraft streaked out at Mach 4. Another launch happened at 200 miles and then the taskforce activated their Mk44 CAMDS and waited for a missile launch.


[First, I'd like to know how many aircraft were taken out before launch so that I can know what my defenses have to go against. Second, it should be noted that the SS-N-25 is 12 feet long, has a top speed of Mach 0.9, and is an anti-ship missile. Third, the Fasthawk is 21 feet long, is powered by SCRAMjets, and has a bending body design allowing for simple high-speed manuevers (going up and over small ships at mach 4-5 is exactly that for this missile). Furthermore, comparing a Soviet-designed anti-ship missile from the eighties (neither is a point for the missile) against a cruise missile based off an American concept that at the earliest would be operational by 2010 is comparing apples and oranges.]

[ooc: Can you explain your Radar here, so it can be scutinzed by all. I've been told by many people that, that is major BS. I'll put some detail into the Division attacking now as I now have the time to do so. And about that no more then 20,000+ business... yeah, but this is Nationstates, and every country can organize their military differently. If I have that many tanks in a Infantry division, imagine my armour divisions.]

[ic]
The attack:
Hundreds of tiny tiny UAVs were in the air, as Satellites also gained key information on targets along the border. They relayed this information to the Artitsan forces below.
Starts off with 38 Iskander-E tactical missile launches at key artillary installations, while 82 Smerch-M and 18 Uragan MLRs systems move in to fire off their payloads and scoot off. Over 380 MSTA-S Self-Propelled 150mm Artillary move up and fire from 50km away, moving and shooting the entire time. The 2200 Volk IFVs now sped along at 40 to 50mph towards the enemy, and once within 12km of ANY enemy armour they would fire off 2 to 4 Bayonet ATGMs which are top attack optically guided anti-tank missiles with a penetration value of 2500mm with ERA. The Grizzly Mk II's would hang back slightly, but the T-80UM6's sped along right beside the Volk IFV's disgorging the same amount of missiles both from the barrel of their guns and the Missile pod on the side of the turret.
Any artillary launched at these forces will be found using simple trig and sound ranging, and the response will be swift. Over 200 SA-30's accompanied the forces, and had the ability to target Tactical missiles and unguided MLRs rockets. They would prove crucial to any inbound Rockets and Missiles.

[ooc: Do you want to know anything else? Keep in mind I DO have airforces nearby on high alert ready to take off.]
Moo.

OOC: Edolia: Unfortunately for you, your post mentions no tank fire, just a hail of outdated grenades - and I never mentioned using my regular troops in human-wave attacks (I reserve that for penal battalions) The only tactics used by Allanea are standard Infantry tactics (post 1968, please consult current manuals if you don't know, these are by no means human-wave attacks).

Effectively, the creation of full-body suits like the ones used by Edolia and Allanea will render 40mm HEDP shells ineffective, as is actually the real-world DARPA plan in developing such suits.
<<OOC: You didn't say anything like that? Really? I could have sworn that you did. And I didn't mention anything besides those grenades (the effectiveness of which I will get to later)? Hmmm... why don't we look back at some of our previous posts?

The air fills with the screams of the dying, the moans of the wounded, the sounds of the explosions. Withing the first 2 minutes,
400,000 Allaneans and 500,000 Tar-Kerillion troops are dead.

"What?"

"If we want to stop this, we can do only one thing: charge."

And charge they do. Falling over traps, cut down by shrapnel and machineguns, burned alive by napalm.

Despite the fact this leads to the loss of 300,000 more Accord forces, soon they are able to engage their enemies face-to-face, while the remnants of the Iron Blood artillery engage the Edolians.
That certainly sounds to me like you were ordering your soldiers to charge. What do you think?

Well... what about my posting? Why don't we look back again?

The enemies came on in waves and waves and as the Edolian air force, after outrunning the enemy SAMs, begins to move back towards the front, 30mm Vulcan gun fire strafes the oncoming soldiers. Tank fire smashes the enemy's cover as the already-bombed our landscape is torn apart again. As the enemy nears the lines, hundreds of thousands of shells smash into their lines, firing with powerful accuracy. Lines of gunships spew death against the Allaneans. Finally, the Allied soldiers prepare for the Allaneans -what is left of them- to come into sight. Machine guns and grenade launchers are ready for the first wave. As 500,000 grenades are loaded into their guns, the enemy's casualties will be horrendous.
Again... hmm... the evidence seems to contradict your statements. Interesting.

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So... now that we've proved that your statements regarding the nature of the battlefield are wrong, let's look at your other claim regarding the effectiveness of my grenades.
Since the gun that Edolian troops use (the G-14x) is based on the SABR gun under development by the US Military, it might be helpful to our investigation to find out what www.globalsecurity.org has to say about the grenades fired by that gun.

The following quote can be found here (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/oicw.htm). The quotes that I have taken are excerpted. The first is regarding the 20mm grenade launcher attached to the gun.

Based on the desired effects on target, the operator can program the [Fire Control System] to detonate grenades in one of four modes: "Bursting" selects an above ground, 3-5m airburst. "Point Detonation" will detonate the grenade when it impacts resistance. "Point Detonation-Delay" briefly delays detonation after impact, enhancing effects on semi-hard targets like car doors or light structures. "Window" commands an airburst at an operator specified range beyond a specific aiming point, enhancing effectiveness against soft targets inside windows or open doors.
It certainly seems to me that if the grenades are effective against light structures, they would be effective against Allaneans in body armor. Unless Allaneans are stronger than light structures. Is that because of their "gun culture"?

Let's keep reading.
The fire control system (FCS), using a laser range finder, pinpoints the precise target range at which the HE round will burst and relays this information to the 20mm ammunition fuzing system. Fragments from the bursting munition will defeat PASGT armor.
Hey! What does "PASGT" mean?! I didn't know, so I looked it up. It turns out that PASGT armor refers to the kevlar vests that American troops wear into combat (when they're not being sent in without them because supplying them properly would delay an invasion). Now, if you were to make armor with the same strength (let alone greater strength) than these vests and have it cover the entire soldier, you would find the troops unable to move.

And this isn't even taking into account the fact that you never mentioned any body armor in any of your previous posts. Furthermore, most of your troops are now either foreign (none of them have mentioned body armor either) or your militia-men. I doubt that you provide them with this super-nifty-expensive armor.

If you can find a post contradicting my statements regarding your body armor, point me to them and I will apologize. However, that wasn't really my point.

So. I'm glad we had this little chat. Aren't you?>>

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OOC: Edolia: Charging doesn't necessarily mean "human wave", it merely means attacking your enemy with all you got, moving at high speed at him.

I have posted repeatedly about this armour and it's purchase.
http://www.bateshome.com/jordan/uniform.htm

Your airforce would have to post losses from my lates areal attack.

As per point-detonation delay: that would work. But that is point detonation you would actually have to hit an Allanean soldier with a grenade for it to work - killing only one guy per grenade, and they would be totally useless vs. whatever IFV's I got left.

As per the tanks, didn't you tell me you didn't have any left?

Do you know that vest exist, today, that are more advanced than PASGT and far light (from those Second Chance people).?

IC: As losses reports continue to flow in, it seems that there's 20,000 more Tar-Kerillion forces killed than reported.

RP Mod Decision, move on from here or else:

Alleana's use of the word: "Charge" is referring to modern infantry tactics of advancing under suppressing fire. This is not a human-wave attack. As you see from other posts, when he uses that tactic, Alleana distinctly says human-wave. In this post, human-wave was not used in the order to charge.

So by advance, assume you move forward under covered fire, quickly, and constantly searching for cover for which to advance to.

Granted a dug in enemy has an advantage over a force moving over a kill-zone, the dug in enemy's locations are typically known by artillery.

No, this is not a human wave attack. Ok? Got it? Good.

Move on, that's an order.

OOC: woops not the SS-N-25. Its the SS-N-26 and SS-N-22 Sunburn. both of which were 9 meters or over in lenght. Not to mention your warhead size would force the missile to be much larger making it much less manuerable. And I doubt it would be able to just pop up and down over ships since it would dramatically stress the frame doing that. And can I see a link to the american mach 7 sea skimmer by 2010? Theres nothing like that in FAS.org and I seriously doubt any missile can have that size warhead go that fast and have such an extended range and still be only a few feet larger then a tomahawk.

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9 vampires and 13 tiger sharks are destroyed by the SAM attack the rest continue there attack run and launch missiles.

OOC: next wave of attacks coming soon have to go and eat now.

[First of all, I said Mach 4 in sea skimming mode, not Mach 7. I also haven't implied pop-up manuevers, just simply raising to a height above that of a destroyer or a frigate and then going back down once the missile has passed over it. Second, each of your aircraft had twenty missiles launched at them (going way faster than they're flying, by the way) and only have twenty-two out of one hundred and twenty shot down? Try again.]

RP Mod Decision, move on from here or else:

Alleana's use of the word: "Charge" is referring to modern infantry tactics of advancing under suppressing fire. This is not a human-wave attack. As you see from other posts, when he uses that tactic, Alleana distinctly says human-wave. In this post, human-wave was not used in the order to charge.

So by advance, assume you move forward under covered fire, quickly, and constantly searching for cover for which to advance to.

Granted a dug in enemy has an advantage over a force moving over a kill-zone, the dug in enemy's locations are typically known by artillery.

No, this is not a human wave attack. Ok? Got it? Good.

Move on, that's an order.

<<OOC: Alright. That's fine. However, I wish to point out that given the fact that we have air superiority and massive artillery superiority, if they tried to advance towards our forces, they would come under incredible fire. Their casualties would be very high...

Allanea: Even so, the grenades really aren't a very important part of the attack. The few hundred thousand shells that would be hitting your forces, as well as the anti-personnel rockets, tens of thousands of MLRS missiles, constant strafing runs from about 10,000 fighters... tank rounds... etc... would result in the vast majority of casualties.

And I posted moving in the rest of my army way back... you should perhaps read my posts. The army I had defending Axackal at the start of the war was only about half my army. You killed all those tanks, but I moved another 6,000 up to the front.>>

OOC: mach 4 or mach 7 it doesnt matter the missile would still have to be excesivelly large to have the specs you gave it. Considering also the fact that a scramjet missile needs a booster rocket to just get up to speed to take in enough air.
I stand by my losses for the fighters. My fighters are based on 5th generation fighters such as theF-35 and F-22 allowing for an extremely small radar cross section so they countermeasure they launch will have a larger signal then the fighters themselve hence the 10% casualty rate.

Edolia:OK. Expecting aircraft losses

IC: "We have received new reports from Tar Kerillion. Their military is reduced to one million troops."

"WHAT? You mean they lost about 500,000 troops there?"

"Exactly."

ic: Gives Allanea 650 Igla-S SAMs plus production rights. USE THESE MANPADS! No CAS Aircraft ever live to tell the tale!

A couple things I've noticed that need to change:

I hope you people understand the logistics involved in transporting these trillions of dollars in supplies to this foreign front, especially Edolia.

Edolia, you do realise that even if you stockpiled the artillery rounds, you'd be running pretty damned low 'bout now. Maybe you'd like to consider the amount of time it takes to fire a round, reload, fire, and how long this can keep going until the single artillery piece has expended its ammo.

And Alleana, while you share a land border with the territories you are occupying, you have to assume that UnAPs air superiority has well covered your supply lines. You should probably be low on supplies on the front.

Ruhr, I have posted damage to all air attacks to my supply lines and railways that the UNAPS has committed and so far they were happy with it.

EDIT: Just read bit at top Edolia hope this is ok, Alleanea asked me to help him and i have accepted?



OOC: Here i come :P

IC: At Harbours across the USIH the massive ships began leaving port.

After the premature end of the REFORGER exercise the men had been wondering if their mission had been scrubbed. However packed aboard the R-O/R-O ships and the massive container vessels they were heading to war.

16 Divisions were being moved in the first wave taking up all of the immeadiately avaliable transport ships along with 10 carriers as escort.

This giant convoy formed up slowly in the waters around the USIH. Infront of it Los Angeles Class SSN's moved slowly along using passive sonar to detect any submarine of surface threat. The main convoy was protected by P-3 Orions being launched from friendly bases.

OOC: Ok bit of number-wanking to be done im afraid so you know whats moving.

Sea:
12 Nimitz Class CVN's normal aircraft loadout (names later)
4 Isomer Class Super CVN's (A DT Yekatinburg)
2 Periocles Class Super Heavy CVN's (192 Aircraft on each)
22 Los Angeles 688 Class Attack Submarines
4 Ohio SSBNs (Tomahawks not nukes)
Lots of frigates, destroyers, cruiser and battleships ill post exact numbers later (Doing this on the fly)


Land:

IV Army Corps:
5th Marine Division
67th Marine Division
143rd Infantry Division
24th Mechanized Infantry Division

I Army Corps:
1st Armoured
2nd Heavy Armoured
22nd Armoured
103rd Mechanized Infantry
122nd Mechanized Infantry

VII Corps:
3rd Mechanized Infantry
8th Heavy Armoured
21st (Heavy) Mechanized Infantry
33rd Mechanized Infantry
112th Armoured


Air:
About 250 B-52s put on standby
100 B-2's
1600 F-15C
1200 F-15E
1300 F-16
1450 F-22

(thats rough, when i get home with my main military figures i will change and add. Just putting here so that we know im coming. I'll also add stats to the land stuff about tank numbers etc when i have it)

[Belem: My missile is what it is and considering that a naval engineering student agrees with me that my design is in fact feasible pretty much invalidates any opinion you have on the subject. Concerning my APAR 12 radars, when you're pitting top-of-the-line late 90s tech against 2010-2020 baseline tech, the results aren't going to be pretty for the former. However, I'm not going to argue the point any further until such time as Edolia desides whether or not he's just going to ignore this whole debacle.]

<<OOC:
Due to constant OOC bickering over this war, combined with the inability on the part of Allanea to take realistic casualties or to properly read the posts of Allied forces, I am issuing the following OOC ultimatum:
Ultimatum to Accord Nations
I, as well as every other nation fighting here who has been fighting in this war since the beginning (except for Allanea it would seem) am absolutely sick of this war. It has been going on for a month -most of this being OOC arguments- and shows absolutely no sign of slowing down. Allanea has been consistantly taking advantage of my policy of not arguing too much regarding godmoding (to keep RPs moving) and has consistantly under-posted casualties, using out-dated tactics, inferior equipment and troops and consistantly expecting victory. From the start, even when Allanea stood alone against the entirety of UnAPS, they refused to admit even OOC that they had a chance of losing. The player obviously OOC intended to win from the start and refuses to allow any other outcome. I am sick and tired of this war, and although I seriously regret ending what had the potential to be a very important IC role-play and piece of diplomatic intrigue for Edolia, I wish to move on to other events. I have never been a huge fan of the war RP and wish to be able to turn my attention to other, more peaceful elements of this game. Furthermore, I lack the time and energy to devote massive amounts of time to this war, especially since we seem to be finding ourselves at an impasse regarding the nature of how this war is happening.

As far as we are concerned, Allied forces are crushing all the opposition. With superior numbers of tanks and artillery, as well as an undeniable air superiority, the Allaneans should be taking casualties far beyond what they have been (actually, if this was real life, Allanea would have lost already). Allanea seems to also believe that they should be winning this war (due to a badly misplaced confidence in the effectiveness of cannon fodder and massed infantry). Since we aren't going to be agreeing anytime in the near future, I believe that it would be a good time to end this war. Because, as I said earlier, the IC implications for all sides are vast, it would be a shame to end this by IGNORING everything. So, I would suggest that a peace treaty be signed, effectively ending the war and returning to pre-war borders (Allanea could hold on to -The Prophet-. This would be acceptable to the Edolian government and I can't imagine that the Allanean people are enjoying losing millions upon millions of young men fighting a war to "liberate" a people who -for the most part- do not want to be "liberated." The government can say the war was a victory, as -The Prophet- was captured.

If Allanea refuses to agree to this treaty, I'm afraid that I'm going to have to IGNORE this war. I have had a number of nations request that it be ended and, like I said before, I'm not particularly enthusiastic about fighting it. This will not be an IGNORE of Allanea and according to offical Edolian histories, after the Jay August Incident, tensions simmered down and war was avoided.
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I'm very sorry it had to come to this.

/OOC>>

OOC: WHAT? What is this strange Edolian obsession with massed infantry I am supposed to be using?

Futher more, I have re-posted casualties to please Edolia and his allies several times, most notably when updating losses from the last attack upwards by 400,000 (Tar Kerillion) troops.

Thirdly, well, obviously our referee doesn't think any of that a godmod

Fourthly, while we're at it, in the current state of Axackal it's status should at least be negotiated.

Fifthly, the motives of this are suspicious....

Six, did you get my TG?

[ooc: Can you explain your Radar here, so it can be scutinzed by all. I've been told by many people that, that is major BS. I'll put some detail into the Division attacking now as I now have the time to do so. And about that no more then 20,000+ business... yeah, but this is Nationstates, and every country can organize their military differently. If I have that many tanks in a Infantry division, imagine my armour divisions.]

[ic]
The attack:
Hundreds of tiny tiny UAVs were in the air, as Satellites also gained key information on targets along the border. They relayed this information to the Artitsan forces below.
Starts off with 38 Iskander-E tactical missile launches at key artillary installations, while 82 Smerch-M and 18 Uragan MLRs systems move in to fire off their payloads and scoot off. Over 380 MSTA-S Self-Propelled 150mm Artillary move up and fire from 50km away, moving and shooting the entire time. The 2200 Volk IFVs now sped along at 40 to 50mph towards the enemy, and once within 12km of ANY enemy armour they would fire off 2 to 4 Bayonet ATGMs which are top attack optically guided anti-tank missiles with a penetration value of 2500mm with ERA. The Grizzly Mk II's would hang back slightly, but the T-80UM6's sped along right beside the Volk IFV's disgorging the same amount of missiles both from the barrel of their guns and the Missile pod on the side of the turret.
Any artillary launched at these forces will be found using simple trig and sound ranging, and the response will be swift. Over 200 SA-30's accompanied the forces, and had the ability to target Tactical missiles and unguided MLRs rockets. They would prove crucial to any inbound Rockets and Missiles.

[ooc: Do you want to know anything else? Keep in mind I DO have airforces nearby on high alert ready to take off.]

7th ?

OOC: How about we all declare a ceasefire, hold one of those polls everyone does for their own elections, present our case for either sides control of Axackal, and whoever wins the election gets to keep Axackel, war over, demorcracy wins, we can all go home.

OOC: How about we all declare a ceasefire, hold one of those polls everyone does for their own elections, present our case for either sides control of Axackal, and whoever wins the election gets to keep Axackel, war over, demorcracy wins, we can all go home.

How about since I am RP mod, I decide. Got it?

OOC: WHAT? What is this strange Edolian obsession with massed infantry I am supposed to be using?

Futher more, I have re-posted casualties to please Edolia and his allies several times, most notably when updating losses from the last attack upwards by 400,000 (Tar Kerillion) troops.

Thirdly, well, obviously our referee doesn't think any of that a godmod

Fourthly, while we're at it, in the current state of Axackal it's status should at least be negotiated.

Fifthly, the motives of this are suspicious....

Six, did you get my TG?

The mod is never here to make rulings. And he hasn't read very much of what has gone on. We can hold elections for Axackal if you want, but as the person who has IC controlled their country for the last 50 years (as I have RPed it) I'm the one who knows the people of that country and they would choose to stay with Edolia.

OOC: How about we all declare a ceasefire, hold one of those polls everyone does for their own elections, present our case for either sides control of Axackal, and whoever wins the election gets to keep Axackel, war over, demorcracy wins, we can all go home.

How about since I am RP mod, I decide. Got it?

:?

OOC: How about we all declare a ceasefire, hold one of those polls everyone does for their own elections, present our case for either sides control of Axackal, and whoever wins the election gets to keep Axackel, war over, demorcracy wins, we can all go home.

How about since I am RP mod, I decide. Got it?

No, I don't. I don't think he's got it either. You aren't God, and don't act like it. We can work out terms on our own, thanks.

IC:

1st Islander Army Status:

2 days from Scandavian-Axackal Border

2nd Islander Army Status:

Being unloaded in Scandavian States; will reach Axackal border in 5 days.

3rd Islander Army being prepped for departure. 4th Islander Army on 48 hour leave.

Edolia, as it stands now, you're grounds for ignore seem to be along the pattern of fear of being overrun by overwhelming enemy forces.

Can you give a little bit more in depth of why and then I'd be happy to negotiate a cease-fire.

OOC: Independent Hitmen and Belem, where are your forces? How many days?

IC:
Official Allanean Government Advertisment
Current estimates of Accord ground forces in the region:

Allanea: About 2,500,000 troops
Tar-Kerillion: 1,000,000 troops
Yallak: 500,000 troops
Fantasan: 450,000 troops
Indon: 500 tanks
Artitsa: 1,000 tanks
Iron Blood: 6,500 armoured vehicles
Belem: Unknown
Independent Hitmen: 12 infantry divisions.

We are still, however, ready to negotiate any realistic offers.

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OOC: Say the lead Armoured Cavalry Regiment is 12 hours from TROUSR's shore.
Ill just get the figures and add to this post.

Land Forces:

IV Corps: Commander: Major General Will Greenwood.

5th Marine Division: 120 M1A2 Abrams MBT's, 150 AAVP71A IFV's.3 Regiments of Infantry in AA's and HMMWV's+ trucks. Light Aviation Brigade 48 AH-64D Apache Longbows, 6 UH-60 Blackhawks. Light Artillery Brigade, 40 M777 Towed Howitzers, 12 Paladin SPG's, 12 MLRS.

67th Marine Division: 120 M1A2 Abrams MBT's, 150 AAVP71A IFV's.3 Regiments of Infantry in AA's and HMMWV's+ trucks. Light Aviation Brigade 48 AH-64D Apache Longbows, 6 UH-60 Blackhawks. Light Artillery Brigade, 40 M777 Towed Howitzers, 12 Paladin SPG's, 12 MLRS.

143rd Marine Division: 120 M1A2 Abrams MBT's, 150 AAVP71A IFV's.3 Regiments of Infantry in AA's and HMMWV's+ trucks. Light Aviation Brigade 48 AH-64D Apache Longbows, 6 UH-60 Blackhawks. Light Artillery Brigade, 40 M777 Towed Howitzers, 12 Paladin SPG's, 12 MLRS.

52nd Infantry: 150 M1A1 Abrams MBT's, 200 M2 Bradleys. 3 Regiments of Infantry in HMMWV's and 5 tonne trucks as well as M2's. Aviation Brigade 48 AH-64D's, 12 RAH-68 Commanche's, 12 UH-60 BlackHawks. Artillery Brigade, 36 M777 Towed Howitzers, 42 Paladin SPG's, 24 MLRS.

24th Mechanized Infantry: 250 M1A2 Abrams MBT's, 250 M2 Bradleys. 3 Regiments of Infantry in HMMWV's and M2's. Aviation Brigade 48 AH-64D's, 12 RAH-68 Commanche's, 12 UH-60 BlackHawks. Artillery Brigade, 42 Paladin SPG's, 48 MLRS.

Additional Forces at Corps Commanders disposal:

22nd Armoured Cavalry Regiment: 42 M1A2 Abrams, 42 M3 Bradley Cavalry Scouts, 14 Recon HMMWV's. 12 Kiowa Warrior Scout helicopters.
41st Aviation Brigade: 48 AH-64D Longbow Apache's, 40 UH-60 Blackhawks, 40 UH-1 Huey's. 12 RAH-68 Commanches.
43rd Artillery Brigade: 48 M777 Towed Howizters, 24 Paladin SPG's, 48 MLRS.
3rd Combat Engineers: 12 M1 Grizzly + other units in M113 APC's and HMMWV's.
42nd Military Police Battalion.
14th Anti-Air Brigade: 42 Chaparral Launchers, 42 Patriot Launchers



I Corps : Commander: Lieutenant General Tom Harwell

1st Armoured Division: 400 M1A2 Abrams MBT's, 400 M2 Bradley IFV's, 50 M6 Bradley Linebackers. 48 M109A6 Paladin SPG's, 48 MLRS. 48 AH-64D Apache Longbow's, 20 UH-60 Blackhawks, 24 RAH-68 Commanches.

2nd (Heavy) Armoured Division: 500 M1A2 Abrams MBT's, 450 Bradley IFV's, 75 M6 Bradley Linebackers. 48 M109A6 Paladin SPG's, 52 MLRS. 48 AH-64D Apache Longbow's, 20 UH-60 Blackhawks, 24 RAH-68 Commanches.

22nd Armoured Division: 400 M1A2 Abrams MBT's, 400 M2 Bradley IFV's, 50 M6 Bradley Linebackers. 48 M109A6 Paladin SPG's, 48 MLRS. 48 AH-64D Apache Longbow's, 20 UH-60 Blackhawks, 24 RAH-68 Commanches.

103rd Mechanized Infantry Division: 300 M1A2 Abrams MBT's, 250 M2 Bradleys. 3 Regiments of Infantry in HMMWV's and M2's. Aviation Brigade 48 AH-64D's, 12 RAH-68 Commanche's, 12 UH-60 BlackHawks. Artillery Brigade, 42 Paladin SPG's, 48 MLRS.

122rd Mechanized Infantry Division: 300 M1A2 Abrams MBT's, 250 M2 Bradleys. 3 Regiments of Infantry in HMMWV's and M2's. Aviation Brigade 48 AH-64D's, 12 RAH-68 Commanche's, 12 UH-60 BlackHawks. Artillery Brigade, 42 Paladin SPG's, 48 MLRS.

Additional Forces at Corps Commanders disposal:

3rd Armoured Cavalry Regiment: 42 M1A2 Abrams, 42 M3 Bradley Cavalry Scouts, 14 Recon HMMWV's. 12 Kiowa Warrior Scout helicopters.
18th Aviation Brigade: 48 AH-64D Longbow Apache's, 40 UH-60 Blackhawks, 40 UH-1 Huey's. 12 RAH-68 Commanches.
21st Artillery Brigade: 48 M777 Towed Howizters, 24 Paladin SPG's, 48 MLRS.
2nd Combat Engineers: 12 M1 Grizzly + other units in M113 APC's and HMMWV's.
48th Military Police Battalion.
15th Anti-Air Brigade: 42 Chaparral Launchers, 42 Patriot Launchers



VII Corps: Commander: Major General Colin Franks

3rd Mechanized Infantry Division: 300 M1A2 Abrams MBT's, 250 M2 Bradleys. 3 Regiments of Infantry in HMMWV's and M2's. Aviation Brigade 48 AH-64D's, 12 RAH-68 Commanche's, 12 UH-60 BlackHawks. Artillery Brigade, 42 Paladin SPG's, 48 MLRS.

8th (Heavy) Armoured Division: 500 M1A2 Abrams MBT's, 450 Bradley IFV's, 75 M6 Bradley Linebackers. 48 M109A6 Paladin SPG's, 52 MLRS. 48 AH-64D Apache Longbow's, 20 UH-60 Blackhawks, 24 RAH-68 Commanches.

21st (Heavy) Mechanized Infantry Division: 300 M1A2 Abrams MBT's, 300 M2 Bradleys. 3 Regiments of Infantry in HMMWV's and M2's. Aviation Brigade 56 AH-64D's, 22 RAH-68 Commanche's, 20 UH-60 BlackHawks. Artillery Brigade, 52 Paladin SPG's, 52 MLRS.

33rd Mechanized Infantry Division: 300 M1A2 Abrams MBT's, 250 M2 Bradleys. 3 Regiments of Infantry in HMMWV's and M2's. Aviation Brigade 48 AH-64D's, 12 RAH-68 Commanche's, 12 UH-60 BlackHawks. Artillery Brigade, 42 Paladin SPG's, 48 MLRS.

112th Armoured Division: 400 M1A2 Abrams MBT's, 400 M2 Bradley IFV's, 50 M6 Bradley Linebackers. 48 M109A6 Paladin SPG's, 48 MLRS. 48 AH-64D Apache Longbow's, 20 UH-60 Blackhawks, 24 RAH-68 Commanches.

Additional Forces at Corps Commanders disposal:

2nd Armoured Cavalry Regiment: 42 M1A2 Abrams, 42 M3 Bradley Cavalry Scouts, 14 Recon HMMWV's. 12 Kiowa Warrior Scout helicopters.
15th Aviation Brigade: 48 AH-64D Longbow Apache's, 40 UH-60 Blackhawks, 40 UH-1 Huey's. 12 RAH-68 Commanches.
24th Artillery Brigade: 48 M777 Towed Howizters, 24 Paladin SPG's, 48 MLRS.
4th Combat Engineers: 12 M1 Grizzly + other units in M113 APC's and HMMWV's.
44th Military Police Battalion.
19th Anti-Air Brigade: 42 Chaparral Launchers, 42 Patriot Launchers

Air and naval later on today.

Edolia, as it stands now, you're grounds for ignore seem to be along the pattern of fear of being overrun by overwhelming enemy forces.

Can you give a little bit more in depth of why and then I'd be happy to negotiate a cease-fire.

Alright. Let's start from the beginning. This war has been going on for about a month now and most of it has been OOC bickering. I've consistantly let Allanea get away with little godmods (like somehow sneaking 1,000 transport helicopters over 8,000 SAM batteries or getting 27,000 motorcycle troops across major highways somehow avoiding our patrols) because I hate to stop RPs to argue with people. However, from the very start, Allanea would refuse to take adequate casualties. For instance, he threw 3,000,000 unarmed prisoner-draftees at us (charging about 5,000 tanks, 10,000 fighters who flew without any opposition, about 20,000 indirect-fire systems and at the time, some 1.5 million elite troops) and demanded that this be effective. Furthermore, despite the fact that they have no tanks, no artillery, no air force and no navy (whatever he claims to have should have been destroyed in the repeated mass assaults that have included tens of thousands of missiles launched against his tanks and artillery and directed by advanced recon planes) he believes that his having insane numbers of infantry are putting him on the offensive, despite the millions of kilograms of ordnance dropped by my bombers against his advancing troops.

Regarding being overwhelmed by superior forces, I wish to again reiterate that we control the skies and have much more advanced ground weaponry. Not even he will try to assert that we are not the undisputed masters of the skies. Without any fixed-position or airborne radar systems left that could oppose our stealth craft, we can bomb whatever we want, whenever we want.

Another problem is the fact that he just plain doesn't read what we right. How many times have we had to point him to our previous posts and say "take casualties!"

Besides the constant numberwanking and arguments regarding this is the fact that this war has been going on for a month and shows no sign of stopping. We are all absolutely sick of it and just want to get back to playing this game instead of fighting a war that only Allanea wants to fight (and Belem, but he only joined a few days ago).

To tell you the truth, it doesn't really matter if he wants to continue this war because I am not continuing it. Period. This horrible RP has made me actually dislike playing NationStates and I have had to force myself to get online to make posts. At this point, I just don't want to deal with this anymore.

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1. I have never claimed the 5,000,000 Penal Batallion troops (to include those sent by other nations) to have any serious effect beyond that of softening up the opposition. The desire to retreat several dozen kilometers was that of your generals alone.

2.I remember posting the helicopter attack before I knew, OOC, that you had those SAM batteries. It is you that decided (and I can point to the post) that they should have went through.

3.The meeting of those warbikers with your patrols was actually extensively RPed. Should I find you the quotes, both by you and me?

4.Furthermore, it was not my idea about the offensive. It was you who posted, again, again, and again, that Edolian forces are retreating.

5.I have no navy.

6.Missile attacks were rarely directed at Western Allanea - where most of my airbases where. Given renewed shipments of aircraft from Raysia.

As per the other arguments, I would point out that at the beginning of the war, I was fighting alone vs. 20 nations. Keeping track of posts by 20 nations was difficult. It is even more difficult now.

As per the concession that "only Allanea wants to continue this war", well, Freethinkers, Tiborita, and all those other UNAPS members making warposts are disagreeing.

1. I have never claimed the 5,000,000 Penal Batallion troops (to include those sent by other nations) to have any serious effect beyond that of softening up the opposition. The desire to retreat several dozen kilometers was that of your generals alone.
If this had been real life, they would have killed not a single Allied soldier (except for perhaps a few flukes).

2.I remember posting the helicopter attack before I knew, OOC, that you had those SAM batteries. It is you that decided (and I can point to the post) that they should have went through.
If you want to go back to the situation, I told you about the SAM batteries, you argued about it and I just said "fine" because it really didn't make that much of a difference.

3.The meeting of those warbikers with your patrols was actually extensively RPed. Should I find you the quotes, both by you and me?
Yes. Find me the quotes. You never RPed them meeting my patrols. You RPed them being intercepted by an army once they were already well within our territory.

4.Furthermore, it was not my idea about the offensive. It was you who posted, again, again, and again, that Edolian forces are retreating.
Retreating doesn't mean losing. We retreated a few kilometers and killed nine million of your forces.

5.I have no navy.
Because it was destroyed.

6.Missile attacks were rarely directed at Western Allanea - where most of my airbases where. Given renewed shipments of aircraft from Raysia.
It doesn't matter. We destroyed your planes and all you have left now are these cheap aircraft that will get wiped out in a matter of minutes if they come up against Allied aircraft (which BTW outnumber them as well).

As per the concession that "only Allanea wants to continue this war", well, Freethinkers, Tiborita, and all those other UNAPS members making warposts are disagreeing.
Perhaps you haven't been reading the UnAPS boards (which I believe you managed to secure access to)? If you had read them, you would know that everyone is sick and tired of this.

As per the concession that "only Allanea wants to continue this war", well, Freethinkers, Tiborita, and all those other UNAPS members making warposts are disagreeing.

OOC: What are you on? Can you even see my post suggesting a peaceful way out of this quoted at the top of this page? I made some warplans when they were requested of me, but only in light of continued Allanean aggression. I have repeatedly stated my request for a peaceful outcome in multiple threads. I don't take kindly to being accused of warmongering, especially by the aggressors in a conflict.

[Belem: My missile is what it is and considering that a naval engineering student agrees with me that my design is in fact feasible pretty much invalidates any opinion you have on the subject. Concerning my APAR 12 radars, when you're pitting top-of-the-line late 90s tech against 2010-2020 baseline tech, the results aren't going to be pretty for the former. However, I'm not going to argue the point any further until such time as Edolia desides whether or not he's just going to ignore this whole debacle.]

OOC: Way to try to invalidate my argument with one sentence and barely an explanation or a link. I have yet to find 1 reference on fas.org that a cruise missile is being developed by the United States to enter service in 2006. In popular science they had an entire article devoted to the massive difficulities in developing a Scramjet missile. And 5th generation fighters are the fighters that will be seeing service in 2010-2020 and are designed to stand up against the threats that could be offered by that decade hence the reason the U.S. military began development of the fighters.

OOC: Looks like no war then, so you lot ignore that this ever happened?? I'll keep moving my troops incase though.
Quite lucky really as your far-future tech would have taken out my current tech quite easily.

As per the concession that "only Allanea wants to continue this war", well, Freethinkers, Tiborita, and all those other UNAPS members making warposts are disagreeing.
(OOC) Don't pin this on me. I haven't bothered moving my forces out of SS since I'm so tired of this number wanking.

All right, that's enough. Edolia brings up valid points.

Alleana, Edolia (and UnAPs):

I'm asuming both sides have grown weary of this war. If it is the wish of both sides to stop, then let us start negotiating peace.

As of now: Ceasefire! Enough bloodshed.

In order to start talking peace, I'd appreciate it if someone made or found a map of Axackal and the war-fronts....then estimated the front-lines of each sector. Once we see this, we can then proceed with talks.

Until then, I need a volunteer to give their best, unbiased estimate.

All right, that's enough. Edolia brings up valid points.

Alleana, Edolia (and UnAPs):

I'm asuming both sides have grown weary of this war. If it is the wish of both sides to stop, then let us start negotiating peace.

As of now: Ceasefire! Enough bloodshed.

In order to start talking peace, I'd appreciate it if someone made or found a map of Axackal and the war-fronts....then estimated the front-lines of each sector. Once we see this, we can then proceed with talks.

Until then, I need a volunteer to give their best, unbiased estimate.

I can estimate the front. The Allaneans have advanced about 20 km all along the front. In the North it's less, in the South, more.

All right, that's enough. Edolia brings up valid points.

Alleana, Edolia (and UnAPs):

I'm asuming both sides have grown weary of this war. If it is the wish of both sides to stop, then let us start negotiating peace.

As of now: Ceasefire! Enough bloodshed.

In order to start talking peace, I'd appreciate it if someone made or found a map of Axackal and the war-fronts....then estimated the front-lines of each sector. Once we see this, we can then proceed with talks.

Until then, I need a volunteer to give their best, unbiased estimate.

I can estimate the front. The Allaneans have advanced about 20 km all along the front. In the North it's less, in the South, more.

All right, that's enough. Edolia brings up valid points.

Alleana, Edolia (and UnAPs):

I'm asuming both sides have grown weary of this war. If it is the wish of both sides to stop, then let us start negotiating peace.

As of now: Ceasefire! Enough bloodshed.

In order to start talking peace, I'd appreciate it if someone made or found a map of Axackal and the war-fronts....then estimated the front-lines of each sector. Once we see this, we can then proceed with talks.

Until then, I need a volunteer to give their best, unbiased estimate.

I can estimate the front. The Allaneans have advanced about 20 km all along the front. In the North it's less, in the South, more.

All right, that's enough. Edolia brings up valid points.

Alleana, Edolia (and UnAPs):

I'm asuming both sides have grown weary of this war. If it is the wish of both sides to stop, then let us start negotiating peace.

As of now: Ceasefire! Enough bloodshed.

In order to start talking peace, I'd appreciate it if someone made or found a map of Axackal and the war-fronts....then estimated the front-lines of each sector. Once we see this, we can then proceed with talks.

Until then, I need a volunteer to give their best, unbiased estimate.

The Allaneans have advanced about 20 km all along the front. In the North it's less, in the South, more.

EDIT: I can't find the map thread. It's buried pretty far down I think... anyway, I can come up with a map, but I don't think it's really necessary.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=137941&highlight=

The Lead Armoured Cavalry Regiment had offloaded from its transport ship an hour before, and was now fully organised and prepared to move.

They would be the eyes for the entire 3rd Army, as it moved from port to the Allanean border. The rest of the army would be taking the train but this Regiment under Lt. Colonel Danny McQueen would be advancing parallel to the tracks on road, to ensure their safety and to provide the troops with some experience of driving in this foreign country.

The first to roll out was A or Avenger Troop. Its 12 M1A2 Abrams quietly moving on their gas turbine engines interspersed with 10 M3 Bradleys and 6 or 7 HMMWV’s that would be moving to secure crossroads in advance of them.

The Lead Bradley contained two Allanan guides as well as Captain Mark Thomas commanding the troop.

Above the Regiments Kiowa Warriors were already flying ahead of the column incase of any enemy presence. They radioed that the way was clear all the way to the Allanan border.

Back at the port thousands of troops were moving out of their transports whilst aircraft from the carriers gave them an umbrella of cover. As soon as a Battalion sized force was organised they travelled the two miles to the train station and boarded the trains that would take them into Allanea.

In the skies above Allanea F-15C and F-15E’s began arriving and requesting permission to land at the currently untouched airfields. They were being followed by F-16s, A-10s, E-3b Sentrys, TWM-1’s and numerous more aircraft including C-130’s and C-141’s bringing in ground and maintence crew. These had escorts of Land Based F-22 Raptors and Naval Aircraft launched from carriers in the area.


Meanwhile a diplomatic message was sent to all governments who had troops in Allanea. It read:


We know that a cease-fire has been declared in Allanea over the recent conflict. Our troops are moving in to provide a secure atmosphere for talks to take place in, and one in which neither side has a significant advantage in peace talks. Upon a successful peace agreement all forces will move out of Allanea in a planned pullout to last for a period of our choosing.

OOC: I have control of Alllanea's western border and SW coast, your forces will have to get by me to get in, and your planes will have to avoid being shot down by mine to land in Allanea.

IC:

Command General Ring re-iterated his position again on all military channels as it appeared forces were moving to attempt to get into Allanea

"I have been ordered by the Supreme Republican Commander to stop all hostilities in Haven. The hostilities were started when Allanea aggressively invaded Edolian territory. We and the Empire of Yallack have control of Allanea's borders. No military supplies or troops from any nation are allowed to enter. We will allow humanitarian aid to pass freely. Allanea has already recognised our force as peacekeepers and we DO NOT require assistance.

Forces attempting to enter Allanea will be dealt with."

OOC: I have control of Alllanea's western border and SW coast, your forces will have to get by me to get in, and your planes will have to avoid being shot down by mine to land in Allanea.

Ignoring several dozen thousand troops....

[Unless everyone is willing to work out an agreement, this war will be ignored.]

OOC: I have control of Alllanea's western border and SW coast, your forces will have to get by me to get in, and your planes will have to avoid being shot down by mine to land in Allanea.

Ignoring several dozen thousand troops....

OOC:I've been posting my movements and positions for over a wek and so far, only 2 one line posts from Allanea and neither of them mentioned any troops.If you are doing something to counter my actions please post it.

What 20km?

I was led to believe differently. Here's why


However, not all is good... The Allaneans were advancing steadily. Despite their casualties, over two kilometers had been gained in the advance

As the new Allanean offensive pushes Edolians back, casualties begin mounting at a steady rate

Edolia: I'm sorry to force your hand, but this post kind of dictates that you pull back a bit

Edolian troops had retreated back nearly ten more kilometers under the heavy assault from Allanean criminal forces when Phyrric dropped the Bomb"

This was posted after the following, but as far as I understand depicts what happened before:

Whatever is left of our armies are going to have to get the f--- out of Western Axackal

That is 20 km? Gimme a break!

And it continues!

"Sir! The Allaneans are advancing on all fronts! If we don't retreat back to Scandavian positions, we'll be over-run." Albert von Tusk nodded.


However, I’m worried that we may be running low on heavy munitions soon.”

This was way back.

Since then, Austar Union has withdrawn, reducing Edolia's forces by 2,5 million troops, and Tar-Kerillion, Yallak, and Fantasan came in, increasing my forces by 2,000,000 forces (current estimate)


Illek-Vaad: re-read my last post on that thread.

OOC: read and replied to, thank you!

Allanea: I would point out that you would have lost A LOT of territory when we made large assaults after bombing the heck out of your forces. And furthermore, we stopped retreating a while back when all you had left was infantry, because for you to make any serious advances, your casualties would have had to have been so massive that you couldn't advance very far before your army would be wiped out (there's a reason that a modern war is fought and won in the air). However, you bring up some decent points. I had forgotten about those retreats earlier in the war, especially the ones that Scandavian States suggested. So perhaps about 30km...

30km is a fairly liberal estimate, Edolia...and a distance. Would you agree to this number?

And furthermore, we stopped retreating a while back when all you had left was infantry

Which was when?

Even now, I still have pretty serious armoured support from Iron Blood, Artitsa, Indon, and some of the other nations (remember my post about being sent 10,000 new IFV's?)

[What of it Allanea? I've got twelve thousand tanks and probably fourteen thousands IFVs, along with my SIBA equipped infantry. Combine that with what's already on the front and we'd be dictating all of the terms. Oh, wait, we already are, whether you like it or not.]

Allanea: I would point out that you would have lost A LOT of territory when we made large assaults after bombing the heck out of your forces. And furthermore, we stopped retreating a while back when all you had left was infantry, because for you to make any serious advances, your casualties would have had to have been so massive that you couldn't advance very far before your army would be wiped out (there's a reason that a modern war is fought and won in the air). However, you bring up some decent points. I had forgotten about those retreats earlier in the war, especially the ones that Scandavian States suggested. So perhaps about 30km...

OOC: This shows ur lack of knowledge about RL military operations. While a air power can significantly help to win the battle it does not do so alone as you say. You can have complete air superority and still be losing ground. There are more tanks than bombs on a plane!

[What of it Allanea? I've got twelve thousand tanks and probably fourteen thousands IFVs, along with my SIBA equipped infantry. Combine that with what's already on the front and we'd be dictating all of the terms. Oh, wait, we already are, whether you like it or not.]


But they are not on the front. Which is the point.

Allanea: I would point out that you would have lost A LOT of territory when we made large assaults after bombing the heck out of your forces. And furthermore, we stopped retreating a while back when all you had left was infantry, because for you to make any serious advances, your casualties would have had to have been so massive that you couldn't advance very far before your army would be wiped out (there's a reason that a modern war is fought and won in the air). However, you bring up some decent points. I had forgotten about those retreats earlier in the war, especially the ones that Scandavian States suggested. So perhaps about 30km...

OOC: This shows ur lack of knowledge about RL military operations. While a air power can significantly help to win the battle it does not do so alone as you say. You can have complete air superority and still be losing ground. There are more tanks than bombs on a plane!

Allanea's tanks: ~0
Edolia +Other Allied forces planes: ~10,000.

Nevermind the
6,000 tanks and IFV's still left in the Shock Army
500 tanks sent by Indon
1000 tanks semt by Artitsa
the Yallak forces

and the 40,000 IFV's I still have.

Also remember IH.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=146597

OOC: don't sign his cease fire, I have control of more land in Allanea than Allanea has control of in Axackal.

3rd Army rolled to a stop about 55km from the Allenea-TROUSR's border. They were well out of artillery range and fighters from the carriers were patrolling overhead along with E-2C Hawkeyes to provide constant radar coverage.

As the Quarter Horse stopped they pulled into a row of trees that would shield their vehicles from overhead observance, and SAM teams set up their Stingers and other portable missile launchers around. No radars however were switched on.

Strung out behind them, the Divisions and Corps began finding places to stop whilst political and military figures decided what to do.

Onboard IHS Pheonix

The darkstar drone sailed off of the end of the carrier and began climbing. Inside a specially adapted cabin on the port side of the enourmous ship a team of intelligence experts guided the drone up to 60,000feet.

The drone had three types of camera onboard. Still motion, video, and thermal imaging,and was coated in stealth material. It was so small that even if it was detected and a missile launched, it would not be able to lock onto it. Painted bluey black it also melted into the sky so fighter pilots wouldnt be able to see it.

5 were in the air at the moment, scouting positions along the frontier, looking for holes and also for any enemy build-up that could signal a possible attack.

OOC: The TROUSRS border is the western border, right? If that is the case the action for that border is in this thread:

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=138154&start=220

THIS thread is only for Axackal, I believe.

And I have 1700 Orion fighters currently patrolling the border.

OOC:

Listen, Allanea, you have two choices. You either agree with the terms that Edolia offers, or he ignores this whole entire war, meaning he ignores the territorial gains that you have made. I'm sure the rest of the UnAPS would take suit and follow his example. I would strongly advise accepting the terms, because we're all tired of this stupid mess.

(OOC: I'm still trying to figure out why my allies are even still accepting Dark Terror's tanks and IFVs.)

Official Government Announcement

Allanea announces a unilateral ceasefire on all fronts.

<<OOC: I have three minutes to write a post...>>

Albert von Tusk was awaken from his sleep by the cries of his aide. "Sir! Sir!"
"What is it?" the General growled.
"The Allaneans have offered a unilateral ceasefire. What's our move?" Albert von Tusk was suddenly awake.
"What are you waiting for! Order a ceasefire immediately! We're under orders to end this war as quickly as possible." The General shrugged. "Idiotic. I know. But these orders come directly from the top." The aide nodded.
"I'll get the commands issued immediately."

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All along the front, artillery falls silent and gunfire stops as the Axackal front is quieted. For the first time in a matter of a few weeks, the blood-soaked border between Allanea and Edolia is peaceful.

<<OOC: Just enought time... :)>>

OOC: Sorry Ilek, my mistake i was going to be moving them to help on Axackel but it doesnt appear to be necessary now.

OOC: no problem , with so many fronts, it's hard to keep track of whats going on and where

At 3rd Army's mobile HQ, 5 large trucks set up with a few armoured vehicles providing security and a battery of Patriots set up nearby. Radio transmitters are nearly a mile away.

"General Sir" a Captain marched into the room and saluted.

Lieutenant General Mike Ried was meeting with his Corps commanders in his personal trucks and going over maps of the front.

"Go ahead Jim"

"Sir we have recieved a report, recently confirmed by Allenean radio, that a ceasefire has been brought into effect throughout the country."

"Excellent. This should provide a good length of time to get more forces in for the attack! Jack what do you think" he turned to his operations officer, a Brigadier General.

"Well Sir, if a ceasefire has been declared the President will be very unlikely to order an attack. Usually these things hold, however we must be prepared for them to fail. I'll get planning started."

After a nod from the General he walked off, only to be replaced by a Major, working in communications.

"Sir this comes directly from the President. It is labelled for your eyes only." He handed an ornately decorated envelope over.

The General looked at it. He tapped it against his hand a couple of times before speaking.

"Ok Gentlemen clear the room. Wait in the ops vehicle I will be along shortly."

The assembled officers filed out, collectively looking at each other wondering what it was about.

The room was rather dark, lit by a single lamp. A man of powerful figure sat in the executive chair behind the desk, when a knock was heard on the beautiful mahogany door. The oval, brass doorknob turned, and in stepped a short, plump woman. "Mr. Kasparov, there is an urgent report from the Axackal Front." The man nodded, and she placed a folder stamped with "Top Secret" on his desk. Boris Kasparov had just recently come to power, and reviewed the report with satisfaction. He pressed a button on what was apparently an intercom network, labeled "MFA." His deep, resonating voice spoke into it. "Please inform field commanders in Axackal and surrounding areas to halt all operations. I repeat, halt all operations. A cease-fire has been reached. Announce it to the media."

Troops, tanks, and others immediately halted the advance when they receieved word. It would be best to not provoke the Allaneans by continuing onward, and instead set camp about 20 km behind the front...
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Lietuveska has halted all advancements and shipment of military units to Axackal. We will follow this cease-fire as if it were the last being upon the planet Earth. May peace prevail.

http://home.earthlink.net/~chipcomp/mfa.jpg

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Mod Decision
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No further posts of attacks or movements. Any movements will be ignored. It is hereby assumed that all forces are camped out and not in provoking positions.

Let the cease-fire peace-talks continue.