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GENERAL SPECIFICATIONS RELEASED

General Characteristics--
Builder: The Island States
Power Plant: Seven nuclear reactors, 8 shafts. (Four azipods)
Length, overall: 4,092 feet
Flight Deck Width: About 1,500 feet
Beam: 334 feet
Displacement: Approx. 275,000 tons full load
Speed: 20+ knots
Aircraft: -Battle Compliment: ~170 -Support Compliment: ~100
Cost: about $20 billion each

Missiles
Surface-to-Air Missile 9 x Raytheon GMLS Mk 29 8-cell launchers for SeaSparrow
Guns
16 x Phalanx Mk 15 CIWS
Aircraft
Fixed-wing: 40 x F-14D, 60 x F/A-18, 6 x E-2C Hawkeye, 6 x EA -6B Prowler, 6 x S-3B Viking, 2 x ES-3A Shadow
Helicopters 8 x SH-60F, 8 x HH-60H Seahawk
Combat data system
ACDS Block 0, Block 1
Weapons control
9 x Mk 91 Mod 1 fire control system (for Seasparrow missile)
Countermeasures
ESM AN/SLQ-32(V)4
Decoys
16 x SRBOC
SSTDS torpedo defence system
AN/SLQ-25 Nixie torpedo decoy
Radar
Air search ITT AN/SPS-48E E/F band
Raytheon AN/SPS-49(V)5 C/D band
Raytheon Mk 23 TAS D-band
Surface search
Northrop Grumman AN/SPS-67V G-band
Navigation
Raytheon AN/SPS-64(V)9 I/J band
Propulsion
Nuclear
7 x GE PWR A4W/A1G, 194 MW
8 x emergency diesels, 8 MW

If it's secret, why did you announce it? :P

"So we don't know what kind of ship it is, we don't know where it is being built, we don't know its araments/features, and we don't know how long it will take to complete? And this is news how?"

With that, a rather angry spokesman for Samtonia (As he was awoken very early and he had a teeny-tiny hangover form the party for his clown) stomps off the podium, leaving the mike still on and a crowd of journalists looking quizzically at each other.

OCC: Communist Rule, you are my comrade and allie, but hattia did have a point. not so secret anymore.

*flash photography*

Anyways, I would like to buy it IF it did ever become marketable.

Its obviously not supposed to be secret........

OOC: Hell, I could simply make it in secret and use it forever...but I had to liven it up.

Well it would be kinda hard to hide a ship larger than the Titanic from satillite photography and spies and not including if you happen to be the unlucky nation to be getting their asses blown up.

Oh well, good luck on your project comrade.

[USSNSR's NSA Headquarters, Misc. Transmissions Division]

Feet propped atop a small desk, George Macrimi watched the television. An interesting transmission, one which caused him to call the people around him, all tilting their heads a little. One of the three overseers of this specific division came, watching.

"What is this?"

Macrimi looked to the advisor with a smirk.

"A joke it'd seem, or a mistranslation, or...something."

Micheal Chester shook his head.

"I'ma have to tell the higher ups of this, least we know they're doing something somewhat sneaky..."

I give you this thought. Is it better to hide something where people would look, or where no one would think to look?

Quarters of Admiral in Chief, Admiral Miller (yes, I know - I probably spelled Quarters wrong; woops :p)

"Hmm, strange - Communist Rule building a warship? And didn't even notify Doujin. Odd indeed. While that asshole Anoit isn't socialist, I sure am and Communist Rule knows it. Why would they hide this from me."

"You there," the Admiral pointed to a recruit outside his quarters.

"Get me connected to the Doujin Security Agency. I need to speak with Brelje, concerning Communist Rule's announcement."

"Right away, sir."

At approximately 4:00 PM GMT there was an accident in the installation of the warship's 7th nuclear reactor. Communications have been severed from the construction site itself due to security concerns, but the emergency frequency tapped off the quick message. At this time we can speculate that no radiation or catastrophe has occured. More information will come as a series of secure radio transmitting equipment is being shipped to its construction site.

Comrade, if you need any medical supplies or help, just ask. I wouldnt want a ship this big yet anyways.

OOC: Hmmm, interesting... :S. May see how this develops.

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*At the capitol building in Rostov...*

"Sir," a young sergeant said, knocking on Marshal Polonshkei's open door. "You may want to look at this..." The sergeant handed the marshal a manilla folder with a few papers in it, all of them concerning the USSCR's announcement.

The marshal glanced through it... "Hmm... Give this to the Premier..."

"Yes sir" the sergeant replied as he lifted a salute and turned on his heel, heading for the Premier's office.

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At the Premier's office...

"Well, I'll be damned... They're actually going through with it..." the Premier spat out as he scanned the papers... Another page caught his attention... "Hmm... An accident with the 7th reactor... Tough luck. Well, if they need help, they know how to reach us. "

He slightly shook his head and looked up to a large picture hung on the wall, it was of the ship that shared his name, the Chlevenkov, the first and probably only of the Premier-class...



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-From the great port of Murmansk an India-class diesel submarine starts underway, surfaced and heading for the Atlantic. It rests on the surface, going at its full speed. It cavitates loudly.-

Secret IC: Using the cover of the loud and antiquated India, an Alfa-class SSN leaves Murmansk heading east.

OOC: FYI the India is a Diesel sub with a hull shaped for high surface running. It is used for deep sea rescue for other submarines.

OOC: Large warships = pointless nowadays.

OOC: Large warships = pointless nowadays.

i love it when people think that :)

OOC: Large warships = pointless nowadays.

i love it when people think that :)

OOC: It's true though. Battleships are good, but excessively large craft are simply bigger targets.

OOC: Large warships = pointless nowadays.

i love it when people think that :)

OOC: It's true though. Battleships are good, but excessively large craft are simply bigger targets.

and what if the ships, god forbid, actually have adequate defenses?

and what if the ships, god forbid, actually have adequate defenses?

OOC: Kind of hard to stop incoming cannon rounds. A barrage of 16 inchers should send it to the bottom quickly.

and what if the ships, god forbid, actually have adequate defenses?

OOC: Kind of hard to stop incoming cannon rounds. A barrage of 16 inchers should send it to the bottom quickly.

think of ships like the doujin, my edelson class or pretty much any other advanced battleship, they can more than take a few rounds

OOC: Large warships = pointless nowadays.

You don't know WHAT it is used for.

-The India submerges later in Red Route 1. ;)-

-The Alfa continues on course-

Official Announcement: It is now announced that the warship should have a tonnage of approximately 200,000 tons.

think of ships like the doujin, my edelson class or pretty much any other advanced battleship, they can more than take a few rounds
Cost of building the ship: Approximately $20billion.
Cost of 10 torpedoes, taking a submarine out of harbour, crew's wages, etc.: Approximately $5million.
Difference in costs: $19,995,000,000 = $19.995 billion.

Cost of intensive ASW suite and ASW helicopters and ASW escort: Priceless

Cost of intensive ASW suite and ASW helicopters and ASW escort: Priceless
Quite so. :)

Production of warship is at approximately 72%.

Now announced that this warship will carry a crew of approximately 7,000.

The ship is nearing completion, and the structural blueprints have been released to the public.

(Weaponry/Capabilities Not shown)

http://jupiter.walagata.com/w/redwolf/Trotsky-class_CVN_II.GIF

Further stats will be released when she is completely outfitted.


Now taking orders! Only 3 slots.

The USSCR retains the rights to this ship, its design, and its name. Any acquisition of either, through reverse engineering, or any other method, is illegal and will be met with force.

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GENERAL SPECIFICATIONS RELEASED

General Characteristics--
Builder: Island State
Power Plant: Seven nuclear reactors, 8 shafts. (Four azipods)
Length, overall: 2,092 feet
Flight Deck Width: About 500 feet
Beam: 134 feet (40.84 meters)
Displacement: Approx. 200,000 tons full load
Speed: 20+ knots
Aircraft: -Battle Compliment: ~170 -Support Compliment: ~100
Cost: about $20 billion each

Missiles
Surface-to-Air Missile 9 x Raytheon GMLS Mk 29 8-cell launchers for SeaSparrow
Guns
16 x Phalanx Mk 15 CIWS
Aircraft
Fixed-wing: 40 x F-14D, 60 x F/A-18, 6 x E-2C Hawkeye, 6 x EA -6B Prowler, 6 x S-3B Viking, 2 x ES-3A Shadow
Helicopters 8 x SH-60F, 8 x HH-60H Seahawk
Combat data system
ACDS Block 0, Block 1
Weapons control
9 x Mk 91 Mod 1 fire control system (for Seasparrow missile)
Countermeasures
ESM AN/SLQ-32(V)4
Decoys
16 x SRBOC
SSTDS torpedo defence system
AN/SLQ-25 Nixie torpedo decoy
Radar
Air search ITT AN/SPS-48E E/F band
Raytheon AN/SPS-49(V)5 C/D band
Raytheon Mk 23 TAS D-band
Surface search
Northrop Grumman AN/SPS-67V G-band
Navigation
Raytheon AN/SPS-64(V)9 I/J band
Propulsion
Nuclear
7 x GE PWR A4W/A1G, 194 MW
8 x emergency diesels, 8 MW

Nice little ship you got there.

Indeed...

Ill take one. We desperatly need some kind of large carrier. it will do the job.

Ill take one. We desperatly need some kind of large carrier. it will do the job.By large I presume you don't mean freakin' huge

Alberta2- Order confirmed. Expect up to a RL week for completion.

Also, just in case you all notice, the aircraft are sold seperately. Not even mentioning that you can ONLY buy the carrier modified An-225s from me.

Bump..

I would like to order 1 now please.

I'll take the final slot, if at all possible - a nice flagship for my main carrier force should be nice - and do you have a link to where I could aquire some of your modified An-225s?

Thanks.

Orders confirmed. A compliment (about 15-20) of An-225s will be added for the cost of 1 billion extra. (Note: The An-225s are not listed on the general characteristics because it is up to the buyer to decide how many he wants to add.)

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OOC: Very nice. Its good some original ships ar ebeing designed.

The only design query I have is over the weight. Judging by the sizes you listed, I would a displacement nearer half a million tons would be more appropriete.

I also had a few questions about protection. I assume the ship is compartmentalised and double-hulled, but I also wondered about other features, and what is the armour rating? Most modern battleships only have 1/2 inch of armour. Do you stick to this, or have you invested in tougher armour to protect against sea-skimming missiles?

OOC: Very nice. Its good some original ships ar ebeing designed.

The only design query I have is over the weight. Judging by the sizes you listed, I would a displacement nearer half a million tons would be more appropriete.

I also had a few questions about protection. I assume the ship is compartmentalised and double-hulled, but I also wondered about other features, and what is the armour rating? Most modern battleships only have 1/2 inch of armour. Do you stick to this, or have you invested in tougher armour to protect against sea-skimming missiles?

I thought about displacement, but left it at where it is. Because of the pontoon-like design, I would suppose it would not displace as much water. Secondly, I have not yet released full statistical specs. But at the moment, I stole most of its specs from the Nimitz so base it off of that..

I would like full specs when mine is delivered (for RP purposes so I know capabilities)

Of course, they will be done...within this coming week. (Am ill, am busy. Translation= Will take awhile.)

Double decked beast...the basic merging of 2 carriers into one....the USSNSR has also been playing with this idea. The USSNSR would like to purchase one of these aircraft carriers to modify and test the reliance and usefulness of a carrier of this style.

Send over mine with all extras and planes avalible.

Double decked beast...the basic merging of 2 carriers into one....the USSNSR has also been playing with this idea. The USSNSR would like to purchase one of these aircraft carriers to modify and test the reliance and usefulness of a carrier of this style.

Current shipyards full. PLease send me a telegram requesting the order and I will place you on the list posthaste.

Send over mine with all extras and planes avalible.

An extra 5 billion is requested.

OOC: Very nice. Its good some original ships ar ebeing designed.

The only design query I have is over the weight. Judging by the sizes you listed, I would a displacement nearer half a million tons would be more appropriete.

I also had a few questions about protection. I assume the ship is compartmentalised and double-hulled, but I also wondered about other features, and what is the armour rating? Most modern battleships only have 1/2 inch of armour. Do you stick to this, or have you invested in tougher armour to protect against sea-skimming missiles?

I thought about displacement, but left it at where it is. Because of the pontoon-like design, I would suppose it would not displace as much water. Secondly, I have not yet released full statistical specs. But at the moment, I stole most of its specs from the Nimitz so base it off of that..

*Nods*

I would still put it up to around 250,000-300,000 tons without armour, taking into account the necessary structural strengthening and all.

Nonetheless, once again I must congratulate you on an excellent and thoroughly useful design.

Orders confirmed. A compliment (about 15-20) of An-225s will be added for the cost of 1 billion extra. (Note: The An-225s are not listed on the general characteristics because it is up to the buyer to decide how many he wants to add.)
OOC: Agreed - you can add that extra billion to the bill :P

IC: The Kelonian navy would like to compliment you on your design of this excellent and most powerful vessel. We are eagerly awaiting it's arrival into our fleet.

OOC: Looks huge, specially if its got an AN-225 lift, those are biiiiig planes! [taggg]

Thanks, but I have to compliment Soviet Bloc for the drawing. He has talent unlimited.

OOC- Why thank you.


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no problem. 5 billion more.

Construction status updates. Also, if any nations wishing to purchase a carrier would donate 1 billion, two new shipyards will be built.

Construction status updates. Also, if any nations wishing to purchase a carrier would donate 1 billion, two new shipyards will be built.

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BUMP.....More donations= More shipyards= More ships for sale!

Today the Trotsky left The Island States accompanied by a Carrier Battlegroup consisting of 20 warships. It was christened by the leader of The Island States, who was so instrumental in its construction. The Trotsky heads towards Leningrad with full naval escort.

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The Confederation will donate 6 Billion dollars hard currency to assist with the building. Of course we would like those new shipyards to be the ships we purchase.

We are interested in buying the production rights, and are willing to pay quite handsomely for them.Quite.

To our comrades in Communist Rule:

We are very interested in acquiring one of these ships.

We are interested in buying the production rights, and are willing to pay quite handsomely for them.Quite.

Prepare to pay alot, if I decide to sell prod. rights.

To our comrades in Communist Rule:

We are very interested in acquiring one of these ships.

Acknowledged.

Hamanistan would also be interested in production rights. If you are selling them, of course.

Production rights are not in the near future. However, should you be a MIDDLEMAN in selling these carriers for me, you may be ellgible for discounts.

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That's a huge ship, not the kind for steathy operations.

Give us a price, we can pay it.

That's a huge ship, not the kind for steathy operations.

No sir, its a floating military base. Not designed to be quite on the front lines.

Give us a price, we can pay it.

Give us a bank statement, and we'll give a price. :lol:

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Im quite certain we can afford any price. For the sake of argument, lets say we are willing to pay up to 200 billion...We have much more than this, but we cant exactly put a huge indent in the budget without good cause...

Well, as you are not selling production rights, Hamanistan would like to purchase one of these ships. The money shall be wired apon confirmation. If you do decide to sell the production rights we would still be interested in obtaining them as long as the price isnt considerably outrageous.


Also how did you find the displacement for the ship? Do you have the formula or did you just base it off of a similar ship?

How many JSF's can it hold How about F-14s or 18's

Well, as you are not selling production rights, Hamanistan would like to purchase one of these ships. The money shall be wired apon confirmation. If you do decide to sell the production rights we would still be interested in obtaining them as long as the price isnt considerably outrageous.


Also how did you find the displacement for the ship? Do you have the formula or did you just base it off of a similar ship?

You will be added to the list when a shipyard is open. TG me to remind me.

No formula, it was estimated.

How many JSF's can it hold How about F-14s or 18's
If you're JUST loading F-14s or F/A-18s..........probably looking at 250-300.

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We didn't start the fire, it was always burnin' since the world's been turnin'. We didn't start the fire. Well we didn't light it but we tried to fight it....BUMP

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Communist Rule, a small crew is on the way via air to the newly constructed carrier for the USSNSR. They shall be arriving within the day, and with preperations finished the carrier shall leave from your territory ina matter of days.

Acknowledged, appropriate forwardings of this message made to the builder of the ships, The Island States.

Our crew is on their way, onboard two large transport ships, and will arrive in a week.

Appropriate reservations have been made at The Island States.

Im quite certain we can afford any price. For the sake of argument, lets say we are willing to pay up to 200 billion...We have much more than this, but we cant exactly put a huge indent in the budget without good cause...

Ehh? Ehh?

One Trillion and deal. I'm not really wanting to sell the prod rights, which explains the high price.

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Dubelco sends via C-130's engineers and crew to control the 2 new ships. They will depart at dawn for home.

The Confederacy of Sniper Country would like to purchase:

(1) Trotsky Class [$20,000,000,000]

TOTAL: $20,000,000,000

::$20,000,000,000 WIRED::

That put a dent in the old war-time budget...

Confirmed, finally, we have a stockpile of the ships and no longer need to have people preorder.

Dubelco sends via C-130's engineers and crew to control the 2 new ships. They will depart at dawn for home.

Appropriate arragements sent to The Island State.

Midday BUMP

Latter day bump.

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Celtayoshi Navy Command will Purchase 1 of your ships for $20,000,000,000

Money will be wired upon confirmation, and a crew will be sent to take it to Celtayoshi

UCES would like to buy 2 of these ships. The 40b will be wired upon comfirmation. I'll send a crew upon your notification.

Confirmed. Ships will be ready in approximately 2-3 RL days.

Celtayoshi Navy Command will Purchase 1 of your ships for $20,000,000,000

Money will be wired upon confirmation, and a crew will be sent to take it to Celtayoshi

Order confirmed. Ship will be ready in 1-2 days.

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Ryanania will take two. We wish to pay in gold bullion, if that is acceptable.

Ryanania will take two. We wish to pay in gold bullion, if that is acceptable.

Conditions acceptable IF:

1.) Gold is worth at least or greater than 40 Billion USD.

2.) Gold will be protected and escorted by USSCR forces, and, you will have to pay an additional 1 million USD in ELECTRONIC PAYMENT for this service.

Am I correct in assuming that this can hold 270 aircraft? Also is mine finished yet?

Am I correct in assuming that this can hold 270 aircraft? Also is mine finished yet?

Yes x2

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Ryanania will take two. We wish to pay in gold bullion, if that is acceptable.

Conditions acceptable IF:

1.) Gold is worth at least or greater than 40 Billion USD.

2.) Gold will be protected and escorted by USSCR forces, and, you will have to pay an additional 1 million USD in ELECTRONIC PAYMENT for this service.Affirmative. That is how we wish to pay. In the words of a ubiquitous n00b, *muny wir3d on confermat10n*

Ryanania will take two. We wish to pay in gold bullion, if that is acceptable.

Conditions acceptable IF:

1.) Gold is worth at least or greater than 40 Billion USD.

2.) Gold will be protected and escorted by USSCR forces, and, you will have to pay an additional 1 million USD in ELECTRONIC PAYMENT for this service.Affirmative. That is how we wish to pay. In the words of a ubiquitous n00b, *muny wir3d on confermat10n*

In the words of an ubiquitous n00b "muny c0nf1rm3|)"

We shall send a SpetsNaz team with naval escort for transport.

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What's the maximum crew complement?

Upwards of 6,000.

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There's no way an An 225 could take off from any ship. They need like 3km of runway.

'fraid not. You see, there are

A: electromagnetic catapults.
B: Solid fuel dispensable boosters
C: Redesigned wing flaps to create the optimal conditions for takeoff.

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*tag* may be interested in future.

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On a note, I used one of these in my preparations for the war against Biyzantium (Though he just faded away). To its extent, it could ship in troops from my country to it, bunk them, and then airlift them to the front lines. In a day one Trotsky-class CVN II could theoretically move about 100,000 troops. Combat effective? Yes.

OOC: Kind of hard to stop incoming cannon rounds. A barrage of 16 inchers should send it to the bottom quickly.

[OOC: It looks like a double-carrier to me. The kind of thing that would tell my pilots, "TARGET PRACTICE!"

The concept is intriguing, if a bit impractical.

And Automagfreek: I'm a believer in having battleships (which are built to withstand 16 inch cannons) because they can deliver ordnance much faster and more cheaply than aircraft carriers can. Besides, you can knock cruise and other missiles down, but there's no defense for a shell hurtling toward you besides burying your head between your legs and kissing your sweet ass goodbye.]

OOC: It isn't bristling with weaponry because its designed mainly as support. A combat variant may arise, but for now just note all the Anti-Air missiles and CIWS systems.

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