NationStates Jolt Archive

Over some time, Credonia and The Atheist Reality have been working on a top secret weapons program in which they kept details about it to themselves. Their goal was to create a near perfect weapon that could be used in everyday modern combad and be able to hit its target with pinpoint precision and accuracy while being able to defend itself while enroute to the target in the air. The research conducted by Credonia and TAR have produced an amazing weapon system in which they pride themselves on as it is an all new concept. Today, we will unveil the beast that we have created: the LGM-56A 'Apocalyptic Fury' Conventional ICBM, the latest in modern day to day heavy combat warfare.

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Missile Specifications
Primary Contractor- Credonian Missile Systems Ltd.
Primary Function- Theater Ballistic Missile

Configuration- Three Stages
Total Length- 131 ft (39.9288 m)
Diameter- 13 ft. (3.9624 m)
Mass- 40,350 lbs. (18,302.45 kg)
Propellant- 1st stage: N2O4/UDMH solid mixture; 2nd stage: O2, H2 liquid mixture; 3rd stage: O2, H2 liquid mixture
Guidance System- Inertial; IMU
Deployment- Mobile Launcher
Range- Between 4,000 km and 5,000 km
Load- Single Warhead: Mk 75A
Celiling: 200 miles (1,120 km)
Velocity- Approximately 15,000 mph (Mach 23 or 24,000 kph) at burnout
Warhead Yield- 1 Kiloton (Conventional)
Accuracy- 98% direct hits
Launch Preparation Time- 25 minutes
Features: Radar jamming, ABM Counter measures, Satellite Laser counter measures

Onboard Missile Systems
AN/ALQ-162 Airborne Self Protection Jammer (ASPJ)
The AN/ALQ-162 automatically scans for threat signals, identifies threat, and generates countermeasures. The AN/ALQ-162 CMS provides automatic radar jamming against surface-to-air and airborne intercept missiles that use continuous wave (CW) radar for guidance. When the CW signals detected by the CMS are validated, jamming is initiated. The specific action taken by the MS is determined by the jamming thresholds programmed into the CMS. The ALQ-162 is designed to intercept and process Continuous Wave (CW) signals, and upgrades under evaluation include responses to pulse doppler radars. Jamming signals are produced in various formats to counter threat signals. The system is operated via a control panel located in the aircraft cockpit and can be used for stand-alone operation or in conjunction with a RWR which supplies threat identification signals. The compact, lightweight ALQ-162 countermeasures set can be installed in pod, pylon or internal configurations.

The AN/ALQ-162 CMS is reprogrammable and is programmed to respond to the CW signals of the most critical threat weapon systems anticipated to be encountered by the MH-47E in a hostile environment. The AN/ALQ-162(V)4 CMS consists of one receiver/transmitter and one antenna. The total system weight is 41 pounds.

Outer Skin Layer Protective Cover
The outer "skin" of the missile is highly reflective and can withstand the heat of an earth reentry and of a satellite laser, rendering space based satellite lasers ineffective against this type of missile attack. The custom Mk 75A warhead itself also has this prototective sheet, with the exception that once it reaches a ballistic trajectory inside of earths atmosphere, it jettisons the sheeting and initiates a small internal cooling system which lowers the heat signature of the warhead, making it nearly undetectable to even the strongest radar.

The outermost layer of the warhead (after the solver protective sheeting has been jettisoned) is not metal like most warheads. It is of a ceramic type material, as used on a Delta rocket's payload faring, giving it no radar signature, this adding to its undetectability during its descent.

Active Countermeasures
To protect the missile from oncoming ABM missile attacks from the defending nation, multiple heat seeking sensors are places strategically around the body of the missile scanning the ground below for any signs of oncominng missiles. The computer inside of the missile immediately calculates the ABM's trajectory, velocity, and altitude to determine when to deploy several explosive munitions hidden internally, which detonate at a time of the computers setting to obliverate the oncoming missile(s). The missile can protect itself from multiple Anti Ballistic Missiles at one time (exact number is classified), making this one of the most lethal conventional ICBM's ever created.

Copyright 2004 by Kaimoni Sutton (Credonia) and The Atheist Reality

/me yays!

OOC: now im no expert but how the hell do you get a 100kiloton yeild from conventional explosives?

occ:You want to explain the science of how this works?

You might also want to explain how an enemy is going to know the difference between a nuclear ICBM and a C-ICBM within their nuclear response launch window.

That's the biggest reason this idea isn't really going anywhere IRL.

OOC: now im no expert but how the hell do you get a 100kiloton yeild from conventional explosives?
Though it's usually applied to nuclear weapons only, 'kiloton' means 'equivalent to 1,000 tons of TNT' - he'd have to have an explanation how he has an explosive that has that capacity, but it's quite possible providing he explains how he got it all in there ;) (I'm no expert either, so I'm not sure if any conventional explosives can produce that kind of a bang in the weight limit stated, he'd have to 'unveil' that, too)

BUMP

Missile Stats Updated

reply this this if you dare http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=140921

Unless you show me proof that it's possible im going to have to label this missile as a godmod.

You simply can't get a 1kiloton conventional explosion from that small a warhead. Even if the warhead itself weighted the 19tons (Leaving nothing for the actual missile) you couldn't get to that large an explosion as it would require explosives around 53times as powerful as TNT ATLEAST.

Interest, most nukes are only 2 stage from memory and don't resemble the Saturn rocket used by the US like this one does.

http://www.centennialofflight.gov/essay/Dictionary/SATURN/DI162G1.jpg

The minute man uses 3 stages, and it doesnt matter if they use one or two stages. I research rockets, its all about the size and capacity of the fuel tank, and the ISP (Specific impulse, or in laymans terms, how powerful it is) of the propellant. Number of stages isnt really a factor, so long as the thing flies, its fine. Also, dont criticize the design. A missile is a missle. If it resembles another, who cares? Its a design that works. Exact design doesnt matter.

well this weapon is being chalked onto the ole ignore list

What does an Internet Server Provider has to do with this? I can't see the link...

I(mpulse)SP(ecific). Too bad we can't do subscripts here.

The Government of the USIH wishes to make sure that safe-guards are in place to stop the sale of this weapon to certain nations deemed to be "rogue" by the International community. Whilst we are sure that all weapons sales are heavily regulated we must make publicaly sure that this is the case.

The Government of the USIH wishes to make sure that safe-guards are in place to stop the sale of this weapon to certain nations deemed to be "rogue" by the International community. Whilst we are sure that all weapons sales are heavily regulated we must make publicaly sure that this is the case.

well this weapon is being chalked onto the ole ignore list



This is a perfectly feasable weapon, Autonomous City-states can you back me up on this please?

A conventional ICBM is feasible from a technical standpoint. It's just not the smartest idea from the strategic and political angles.

Yes, a conventional missile like this is certainly feasable.

Actually, I have launched a few conventional ICBMs. One way to stop people from thinking that the ICBM is nuclear, I simply state that the warhead is conventional. Works just fine ;)

[Another way to stop someone from thinking the missile is nuclear is to not have any WMDs of any kind. Of course, there's no guarentee, but if he's paranoid enough to nuke you for launching what is likely to be a conventional weapon, then he's likely to get nuked by some indignant nation in return.]

To: Credonia Diplomats; The Atheist Reality Diplomats
From: Vrak Diplomatic Corps
Subject: Conventional ICBMs

Unless informed previously of a test launch, we will treat any ICBM launch directed at our territory and that of the Klatch as carrying a nuclear warhead and will respond accordingly.

To: Credonia Diplomats; The Atheist Reality Diplomats
From: Vrak Diplomatic Corps
Subject: Conventional ICBMs

Unless informed previously of a test launch, we will treat any ICBM launch directed at our territory and that of the Klatch as carrying a nuclear warhead and will respond accordingly.

Would that be even the case if he specifically stated that the ICBM was conventional? I do that all the time. I ALWAYS state what warhead my missiles have, to stop misunderstandings happen.

A conventional ICBM is feasible from a technical standpoint. It's just not the smartest idea from the strategic and political angles.



Theres my proof for you HH, ignore my missile and im ignoring YOU.

A conventional ICBM is feasible from a technical standpoint. It's just not the smartest idea from the strategic and political angles.



Theres my proof for you HH, ignore my missile and im ignoring YOU.

wow! that proof is incredible "A conventional ICBM is feasible from a technical standpoint. It's just not the smartest idea from the strategic and political angles.". Someone ring the nobel commision, becuase he says its possible to have a several tons of explosives in a tiny space doesnt mean it is

pathetic evidence.

wow! that proof is incredible "A conventional ICBM is feasible from a technical standpoint. It's just not the smartest idea from the strategic and political angles.". Someone ring the nobel commision, becuase he says its possible to have a several tons of explosives in a tiny space doesnt mean it is

you idiot, it was modified....LOOK AT THE STATS AGAIN

yeah i did so you have explosives equivalent to 1000tons of TNT in it?

DOUBLE POST!

You know why 1000 tons of TNT is impossible? Look at this picture.

http://members.lycos.co.uk/manhattanproject120/pregnantwomenstone.jpg

This is 1000 tons of stone. Remember, TNT is a much lighter material so you it'll require more space. And this "stone" is a mere 21.5m x 4.8m x 4.2 meters in size.

To: Credonia Diplomats; The Atheist Reality Diplomats
From: Vrak Diplomatic Corps
Subject: Conventional ICBMs

Unless informed previously of a test launch, we will treat any ICBM launch directed at our territory and that of the Klatch as carrying a nuclear warhead and will respond accordingly.

Would that be even the case if he specifically stated that the ICBM was conventional? I do that all the time. I ALWAYS state what warhead my missiles have, to stop misunderstandings happen.

To: Austar Union Diplomats
From: Vrak Diplomatic Corps
Subject: Conventional ICBMs

No. We view any ICBM launch as carrying a WMD payload - specifically nuclear. Unless our intelligence service has excellent information that the ICBM in question only has a conventional warhead or is a test launch, we will respond accordingly. Breach of these terms (that is, saying the ICBM launch is a test launch to disguise its true purpose) would result in full-scale war.

Essentially, our doctrine is to treat any ICBM launch with suspicion and any ICBMs launched at our direction as an immediate threat. We don't think it is a wise policy to wait until the ICBM has actually landed on our territory to determine the payload. Nor would be initially believe anything that some government office states. After all, if we send an ICBM towards your nation and said that the payload was merely popcorn, would you believe us?

HP, there are conventional high explosives that have a higher explosive potential than TNT... it's just the standard that everyone measures by.

OOC: Leave it to Credonia to make genocide in an ICBM...

HP, there are conventional high explosives that have a higher explosive potential than TNT... it's just the standard that everyone measures by.

No matter how you twist the facts, this missile is impossible. Only nuclear fission can create such a blast in such a tiny space. 1000 tons is a million kilograms of TNT or whatever type of explosives you use

Well at least he isn't trying to claim that he's created an element with an atomic number of 288...

You know shit about physics so you keep your mouth shut.

You know shit about physics so you keep your mouth shut.

one more comment like that and you'll be reported to the mods :evil:

Using smileys won't scare me

Using smileys won't scare me

i dont intend to scare you, it is simply a fact that you will be reported to the mods if you make another comment like the previous one

You know shit about physics so you keep your mouth shut.

If you can't reply without resorting to flaming Holy Panooly I suggest you don't reply at all.

Perhaps he is a little too high with his weapons yield but then again I don't know about modern explodsives... I do know however that we have got alot more efficient explodsives nower days, not to meantion the kenetic damage done by the warhead... afterall this is a weapon falling to earth at a speed similar to a meteorite.

Edit: Actually, after discussing this with Zvarinograd and a few others in IRC who have actually researched this sort of thing in the past the conclusion is that 1 kilotons yeild isn't possible on a conventional ICBM, maybe about 0.1 kilotons yield maybe. Whats more such a weapon is pretty dangerous because people will react as though it's nuclear.

But if you are going to ignore his missile then please just ignore it properly and ignore the thread, these one line replies of "You're wrong" are just not helping anyone and are close to spam.

Iuthia you shouldn't talk about things you know nothing about... That's all I wanted to say but when I ask it in a polite manner hardly anyone listens to me.

Iuthia you shouldn't talk about things you know nothing about... That's all I wanted to say but when I ask it in a polite manner hardly anyone listens to me.

Well, when people try to explain to you that making a modern tech element with an atomic number of 288 is impossible with todays technology why don't you listen?

I mean currently we've got up to something like Atomic Number 118 and it's so unstable you couldn't keep it for longer then a few nanoseconds. An element with an Atomic Number of 288 is not only super dense but will most likely be impossible to keep stable... it's not possible with modern tech but yet you still tell me I don't know "shit" about science.

You still know shit about science. I don't care about your explanations or essays why it's impossible and other irrelevant crap you're talking about. Atoms can be kept stable under the right circumstances.

You still know shit about science. I don't care about your explanations or essays why it's impossible and other irrelevant crap you're talking about. Atoms can be kept stable under the right circumstances.

An atoms of atomic number 288 is simply impossible todays an most probably forever. Even if you did create it the half-life would be so small you wouldn't have enough time to prove that it was actually created.

You still know shit about science. I don't care about your explanations or essays why it's impossible and other irrelevant crap you're talking about. Atoms can be kept stable under the right circumstances.

An atoms of atomic number 288 is simply impossible todays an most probably forever. Even if you did create it the half-life would be so small you wouldn't have enough time to prove that it was actually created.

Pure evil is correct.

You still know shit about science. I don't care about your explanations or essays why it's impossible and other irrelevant crap you're talking about. Atoms can be kept stable under the right circumstances.

An atoms of atomic number 288 is simply impossible todays an most probably forever. Even if you did create it the half-life would be so small you wouldn't have enough time to prove that it was actually created.

200 years ago the idea of flight was thought to be impossible. 100 years ago the idea of flying to the moon was thought to be impossible. Shall I continue? It was future tech. Why don't you start an arguement with the people who use hyperdrive or wormholes for that matter?

I frequently do.

HP, while I agree that the warhead yield for this specific example is far too high for modern tech... the concept of a conventional ICBM itself is entirely technically viable with modern tech. The insults only weaken your argument.

Reguarding this missile, yes a 1 kiloton warhead is completely impossible with that amount of space, no modern explosive is nearly powerful enough to use such a small quantity to achieve that yield.

Second "it jettisons the sheeting and initiates a small internal cooling system which lowers the heat signature of the warhead, making it nearly undetectable to even the strongest radar. "
Radar is a function of Radio waves refracting off a surface and heat has nothing to do with how well that operates. Cooling your warhead might make it invisible to Infarred detection, but not Radar, not at all.

Atomic weight 288 is completely absurd.
Atoms yes can be kept stable in the circumstances, and trying to achieve an atomic weight of 288 with present day technology is (impossible really) but for sure the WRONG circumstances for stability.

It was future tech. So you're saying worm holes and other startrek stuff isn't surreal but an atomic number is? Get your facts sorted before you enter an argument.

Reguarding this missile, yes a 1 kiloton warhead is completely impossible with that amount of space, no modern explosive is nearly powerful enough to use such a small quantity to achieve that yield.

Second "it jettisons the sheeting and initiates a small internal cooling system which lowers the heat signature of the warhead, making it nearly undetectable to even the strongest radar. "
Radar is a function of Radio waves refracting off a surface and heat has nothing to do with how well that operates. Cooling your warhead might make it invisible to Infarred detection, but not Radar, not at all.

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OOC: Credonia trying to make an Uber weapon :roll: So he states that his homeland is totally untouchable while he trys to make weapons which are impossible to destroy! What a good RPer

Reguarding this missile, yes a 1 kiloton warhead is completely impossible with that amount of space, no modern explosive is nearly powerful enough to use such a small quantity to achieve that yield.

Second "it jettisons the sheeting and initiates a small internal cooling system which lowers the heat signature of the warhead, making it nearly undetectable to even the strongest radar. "
Radar is a function of Radio waves refracting off a surface and heat has nothing to do with how well that operates. Cooling your warhead might make it invisible to Infarred detection, but not Radar, not at all.

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OOC: Credonia trying to make an Uber weapon :roll: So he states that his homeland is totally untouchable while he trys to make weapons which are impossible to destroy! What a good RPer

a conventional icbm an uber weapon? bah!

Reguarding this missile, yes a 1 kiloton warhead is completely impossible with that amount of space, no modern explosive is nearly powerful enough to use such a small quantity to achieve that yield.

Second "it jettisons the sheeting and initiates a small internal cooling system which lowers the heat signature of the warhead, making it nearly undetectable to even the strongest radar. "
Radar is a function of Radio waves refracting off a surface and heat has nothing to do with how well that operates. Cooling your warhead might make it invisible to Infarred detection, but not Radar, not at all.

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OOC: Credonia trying to make an Uber weapon :roll: So he states that his homeland is totally untouchable while he trys to make weapons which are impossible to destroy! What a good RPer

a conventional icbm an uber weapon? bah!

OOC: whatever! just go back to worshipping the ground credonia treads :roll:

Reguarding this missile, yes a 1 kiloton warhead is completely impossible with that amount of space, no modern explosive is nearly powerful enough to use such a small quantity to achieve that yield.

Second "it jettisons the sheeting and initiates a small internal cooling system which lowers the heat signature of the warhead, making it nearly undetectable to even the strongest radar. "
Radar is a function of Radio waves refracting off a surface and heat has nothing to do with how well that operates. Cooling your warhead might make it invisible to Infarred detection, but not Radar, not at all.

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OOC: Credonia trying to make an Uber weapon :roll: So he states that his homeland is totally untouchable while he trys to make weapons which are impossible to destroy! What a good RPer

a conventional icbm an uber weapon? bah!

OOC: whatever! just go back to worshipping the ground credonia treads :roll:
:roll:

Second "it jettisons the sheeting and initiates a small internal cooling system which lowers the heat signature of the warhead, making it nearly undetectable to even the strongest radar. "
Radar is a function of Radio waves refracting off a surface and heat has nothing to do with how well that operates. Cooling your warhead might make it invisible to Infarred detection, but not Radar, not at all


Your forgetting that there are stealth 'paints' that absorb vast amounts radar waves giving it low detectability on radar, so really, it can be still stealthy.

Over the Horizon radar.

This indeed is a dangerous weapon but if you need to use it, which right now you don't need to, you should be careful because if you launch that missile it could cause a nuclear fallout. So make sure you watch where you target your missile and don't use it unless you REALLY need to.

Well I asked my chenistry Proff on this and well lets just say he laughed in my face when i said an atomic number of 288. I suppose you should refine your design Credonia as everyone is just going to ignore this weapon.

It really doesnt matter, im not deplying this weapon, im deploying the ICBM version (25 MT thermonuclear warhead)

Imperial Limey, it was future tech. Read the posts before you write a post. And Creddy ain't gonna refine his made up rocket because he's a narcist.

ok cool credonia and holy panooly why must you always insult everyone, ots well so n00b like I would think that some one with your experience at this game would not have to revert to insults.

Since when is the word narcist an insult?

you insulted me.

This indeed is a dangerous weapon but if you need to use it, which right now you don't need to, you should be careful because if you launch that missile it could cause a nuclear fallout. So make sure you watch where you target your missile and don't use it unless you REALLY need to.

Credonia is well aware of the impications of launching such weapons. We have maintained a rather large nuclear arsenal since credonia was barely a 100 million population nation. We dont need to be warned about our actions if such weaposn are launched (and provided we have over 40,000 nuclear warheads in our arsenal with NO accidents and we have used NONE OF THEM, i think that is proof enough that Credonia knows exactly what its doing.

you insulted me.

Let me rephrase, "Silly Human Being" would you be so kind to read my previous posted messages before you start talking to your chemistry teacher?

It was future tech. So you're saying worm holes and other startrek stuff isn't surreal but an atomic number is? Get your facts sorted before you enter an argument.
I apologize HP, I was given the impression by the protesting that you claimed this to be a modern tech possible "Element".
Since the future is undetermined, and open, your supposition of an "element" being created with an atomic weight of 288 is perfectly reasonable.
15 years ago plasma, impulse, and ion drive engines were totally in the realm of fiction.
We now have prototypes of all three.
So sure, HP288 in a hundred years...why not.

It's good to hear your excuse. It's alright now