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OOC: The following is a Capsule Corporation document on classified experimental technology. I am sharing this solely for RP purposes. Very few people will know about this stuff. To the rest of you, this is ooc info only.

IC:

Capsule Corporation Classified Technology: Level 2 Clearance Required.

Subject: "Spirit Scope" Technology

For years, the Capsule Corporation has been experimenting with Spiritual Technology. As you may or may not know, Capsule Scientists are some of the bravest in the universe. How are they so brave? becuase they dared to experiment with levels of physics no secular scientist would even consider to dabble in.

Our scientists take spiritual matters very serious, as serious as any wormhole or black hole or stellar phenomena. Through experimentation and prayer, they have begun to unlock the secrets of the S(spiritual) dimension.

The Red Dragon crisis a few years ago was a major turning point in the development of this technology. By the time we were fighting the Red Dragon's forces head on, we had the technology developed enough to create a "Spirit Scope." This "Spirit Scope" is rightly named for it's ability detect and grade the power and polarity of any spirit, emobodied or not. And through Filtration, it can be calibrated to target only spirits with bodies.

Since this all sounds like mindless ramblings, I might as well show you.

Take this crowd of people at an arcade:
http://www.bateshome.com/jordan/nosscope.jpg

Now, your mission here is to find a terrorist who plans to detonate a bomb in this popular public facility.

...Go ahead, try. You have no information on the guy. You have no idea what he looks like. All you know is that some guy there has wicked intentions... intentions to kill civillians.

Look through a Mk IV SD Scanner and your crowd will begin to look like this:

http://www.bateshome.com/jordan/sscope.jpg

Every person in the room suddenly has an aura lit up around them. These auras are color coded. Blues=Benevolent, Purples: Neutral, Reds=Malevolent. Also, the more intense the aura is indicates the strength of the spirit.

http://www.bateshome.com/jordan/sscale.gif

See your target now? If not, do you at least see someone to keep a good eye on?

This technology has MANY applications, and as the research in the S-Dimension advances, so will this and other technologies.

Other S-Dimension tools are in the works or being experimented on, Including but not limited to: Medical Equipment, Matter/Energy Reconfiguration/Conversion Equipment, and even some weapons.

http://www.bateshome.com/jordan/capsule.gif

http://www.bateshome.com/jordan/ccsig.jpg (http://www.bateshome.com/jordan/ccdex.htm)

ooc: according to your image, some people have "average" torsos and heads but "neutral" legs? so the legs are less evil than the other parts of the body?

ooc: according to your image, some people have "average" torsos and heads but "neutral" legs? so the legs are less evil than the other parts of the body?Look at the aura... the colors around the body. The light from the aura can cross with body color to make weird colros than can screw up your readings. Focus on the edges.

And the red blob is the face of the guy behind the kid.

PS: LOL you just reminded me of Futurama.... "The evil windshield wipers from that car Knight Rider..." "Wait a second, night rider wasn't evil!" "His windshield wipers were!" :)

so the legs are less evil than the other parts of the body?
Congratulations on giving me the first giggle of the day.

That crossing-colours thing would have to be fixed, really, as they might end up arresting the woman in black in the middle, her aura dipping into the realms of 'wicked' - Unless of course that isn't an error in the device and she really is some sort of master criminal - heh.

Oh, and I count four benevolent/righteous people - I envy the citizens of your country, sir, for they appear to be a most charitable people.

/This has been a pointless and unfunny post on behalf of Kelonian States

OOC
Ideas such as 'Good' , 'Evil' , 'Righteous', 'Wrongful' are merely constructs of a human mind to describe other values from the perspective of an arbitary set of values. How does your detector work for every set of values possible? Say a operator who thinks humanity should be destroyed because they're incapable of treating others with love, dignity or honor. What would he see?

You really need to look into this product more carefully.

JiangGuo

Is this device hampered by anything, say Shielding, thick walls/bulkheads, comprised of a type of material or not?

also, is it indicating there spirit aura towards something, or in General?

OOC
Ideas such as 'Good' , 'Evil' , 'Righteous', 'Wrongful' are merely constructs of a human mind to describe other values from the perspective of an arbitary set of values. How does your detector work for every set of values possible? Say a operator who thinks humanity should be destroyed because they're incapable of treating others with love, dignity or honor. What would he see?

You really need to look into this product more carefully.

JiangGuoIt is not based on bias by the operator. The color codes determine the polarity and strength of the spirit. Someone who has intentions to harm innocents would obviously show up in the red.

How does your detector work for every set of values possible? Say a operator who thinks humanity should be destroyed because they're incapable of treating others with love, dignity or honor. What would he see?
Seeing as the operator only sees a visual representation of what the device detects, rather than generating the representations from within himself, then they would be generated based on one built-in set of values and operate off of that rather than any set of values implicit in the user. However, as it's not my product (obviously) I couldn't really say.

Edit: Sorry, CC, your post said much the same thing but I didn't see it :oops:

Is this device hampered by anything, say Shielding, thick walls/bulkheads, comprised of a type of material or not?

also, is it indicating there spirit aura towards something, or in General?it depends on what filters and calibrations you put on. It can see through most materials, but when used by personnel it is usually calibrated to not penetrate past anyone, as to not confuse auras.

bumpitude

((OOC: Aaaah... Raysia, you once again neglect to include the yin in the yang and vice versa. People are not good and evil, but a mix of the two that is in no place classified on such a spectrum. For example, a mass murderer, while killing many people and causing mass greif, keeps overpopulation down. A bad example, but there are always two ways to look at something.

A better example would be your terrorist scenario. In the terrorist's eyes, blowing up millions of people would be a good thing, because he believes these people are wicked sinners. That's his opinion. Our opinion is that killing is wrong, and thus HE'S the wicked sinner. See where I'm getting? There's no way to detect if someone is "evil" or "good", because evil and good are relative.

Unless you can pull off a miracle here and convince me otherwise, I'll be ignoring this tech.))

It seems your device shows intentions, but not actual happenings, in fact the man in red could merely be thinking, what an annoying kid this is I wish I could just smack the h*ll out of him!.

That or as it was just said above that in some terrorists minds blowing up hundreds of peopel is good and just so they would show up at blue, and not red.

I never said a red aura meant he was a convict, just someone to keep an eye on.

Capsule Scientists have in fact determined that Spiritual Polarity Exists.

Notice it is not black and white, it is gradual, an average.

One's spirit polarity is not based on the person's personal conscience, but rather on a standard set by God himself.

Who's god?

Because in saying that it is your god your leaving yourself open to some really devote people who would disagree.

But officially we deny the existance of any deity beyond a non sentient universal existance.

One's spirit polarity is not based on the person's personal conscience, but rather on a standard set by God himself.((OOC: More of a reason to ignore this. Jai's married to a pagan god, doesn't she get any say in all this? :wink:

But seriously now, if this god/oversoul figure really cared so much as to be opinionated negativly about some people, wouldn't it smite them? The answer, of course, is yes. Whatever god there may be in real life is above having an opinion on something as petty as human life. It just lets us alone to do our thing, however moral or unmoral it may be.

Case in point: the holocaust. Why didn't god stop the mass slaughter of its creations and the misrepresentation of its name? Because it's above caring about our petty struggles.))

Who's god?

Because in saying that it is your god your leaving yourself open to some really devote people who would disagree.

But officially we deny the existance of any deity beyond a non sentient universal existance.We're not claiming that any one religion is right. Simply that there ARE gods, at least one God, and that spirits do exist, and have matter, and that matter has properties.

Capsule Scientists seek to study this new dimension.

OOC: besides, not like a bunch of other NS nations don't dabble with demons and stuff... all we do is find out what makes them up. Capsule Corp has dealt with demons and demigods before.

One's spirit polarity is not based on the person's personal conscience, but rather on a standard set by God himself.((OOC: More of a reason to ignore this. Jai's married to a pagan god, doesn't she get any say in all this? :wink:

But seriously now, if this god/oversoul figure really cared so much as to be opinionated negativly about some people, wouldn't it smite them? The answer, of course, is yes. Whatever god there may be in real life is above having an opinion on something as petty as human life. It just lets us alone to do our thing, however moral or unmoral it may be.

Case in point: the holocaust. Why didn't god stop the mass slaughter of its creations and the misrepresentation of its name? Because it's above caring about our petty struggles.))We are not ruling out the existance of pagan Gods.

And as for your opinions about the existance of God... just because you have no faith, in no way means that such things do not exist.

We are not ruling out the existance of pagan Gods.

And as for your opinions about the existance of God... just because you have no faith, in no way means that such things do not exist.((OOC: Alright, then why doesn't Eris get a say? I don't see Yaweh coming to her asking her opinions on these things. :P

As for your opinions about the existance of God... just because you have faith, in no way means that such things do exist.))

But alas, such things do exist! Thus the basis of this thread!

Demons, Gods, Spirits, etc DO exist, and billions have witnessed them.

You can not deny facts.

But alas, such things do exist! Thus the basis of this thread!

Demons, Gods, Spirits, etc DO exist, and billions have witnessed them.

You can not deny facts.((OOC: I wouldn't say billions. Millions, maybe. But that's besides the point.

Millions have whitnessed flying saucers, so are they real, too? Millions watched Star Wars, so does that mean that the force really exists? I mean, people have clearly seen others using it, so what evidense is there that the force DOESN'T exist? It has to be real if people have seen it, doesn't it? :P ))

But alas, such things do exist! Thus the basis of this thread!

Demons, Gods, Spirits, etc DO exist, and billions have witnessed them.

You can not deny facts.((OOC: I wouldn't say billions. Millions, maybe. But that's besides the point.

Millions have whitnessed flying saucers, so are they real, too? Millions watched Star Wars, so does that mean that the force really exists? I mean, people have clearly seen others using it, so what evidense is there that the force DOESN'T exist? It has to be real if people have seen it, doesn't it? :P ))OOC: Umm... quit mixing up IC an OOC. pick one. I'm talking to you IC.

OOC: Umm... quit mixing up IC an OOC. pick one. I'm talking to you IC.((OOC: Really? Because I've been talking OOC sense my first post. I figure I can't debate this ICly, because I have no knowledge of it ICly. Makes sense, no?))

OOC: Yeah, ok, well, It was an IC topic, and you started rambling like this was the general forum.

Do you have any IC problems with this?

Beyond our scientists having proved none of this ICly or OOCly?

If not, no.

Beyond our scientists having proved none of this ICly or OOCly?

If not, no.IC it very much exists in most of the NSverse... OOC is questionable to some.

OOC: Yeah, ok, well, It was an IC topic, and you started rambling like this was the general forum.

Do you have any IC problems with this?((OOC: Well, you were bringing up your concept of God and hoisting it above us all like it was the General forum, so I followed suite.

However, I'm ignoring this IC, but if I wasn't I'd take issue in the fact that Eris has no say in this and that you're dictating the decisions of God, which sounds almost literally like GodModding. Even if I was to let all that pass, I'd have to count this as fantasy/future hybrid tech, which is impossible to RP with effectivly.))

In your nation it might exist ICly, but not here, strictly secular here in the Mikosolf Corperation, so unless you want to send conclusive data and open up a whole new field of research here at our magnificent corperation (magnificent is in the eye of the beholder) we shall continue to deny the existance of any such "soul" or "God".

In your nation it might exist ICly, but not here, strictly secular here in the Mikosolf Corperation, so unless you want to send conclusive data and open up a whole new field of research here at our magnificent corperation (magnificent is in the eye of the beholder) we shall continue to deny the existance of any such "soul" or "God".OOC: Yeah, ok, well, It was an IC topic, and you started rambling like this was the general forum.

Do you have any IC problems with this?((OOC: Well, you were bringing up your concept of God and hoisting it above us all like it was the General forum, so I followed suite.

However, I'm ignoring this IC, but if I wasn't I'd take issue in the fact that Eris has no say in this and that you're dictating the decisions of God, which sounds almost literally like GodModding. Even if I was to let all that pass, I'd have to count this as fantasy/future hybrid tech, which is impossible to RP with effectivly.))Well go ahead and ignore it then... but a LOT of nations play sci-fi/fantasy, which is where I am at.

And since when is anything dictated? Right and wrong and good and evil are very much defined.

Not saying we are ignoring it (because I have not plans of terrorism in your nation) just that we question then inner workings and falability of it.

Not saying we are ignoring it (because I have not plans of terrorism in your nation) just that we question then inner workings and falability of it.Name a situation where you think this could possibly be "falable"

Well go ahead and ignore it then... but a LOT of nations play sci-fi/fantasy, which is where I am at.((OOC: I'm not ignoring it because it's sci-fi/fantasy, I'm ignoring it because it's GodModding.))And since when is anything dictated? Right and wrong and good and evil are very much defined.((OOC: There's a problem with that, and it's that, with all due respect, you are COMPLETELY wrong. Good and evil are opinions set by people, there is no one source that dictates what is good and what isn't. And don't say the Bible, because that thing contradicts itself every other book.))

Well go ahead and ignore it then... but a LOT of nations play sci-fi/fantasy, which is where I am at.((OOC: I'm not ignoring it because it's sci-fi/fantasy, I'm ignoring it because it's GodModding.))And since when is anything dictated? Right and wrong and good and evil are very much defined.((OOC: There's a problem with that, and it's that, with all due respect, you are COMPLETELY wrong. Good and evil are opinions set by people, there is no one source that dictates what is good and what isn't. And don't say the Bible, because that thing contradicts itself every other book.))OOC: You are mixing up IC and OOC again. We're dealing with the NS Sci-Fi/Fantasy universe, where Demon Elves can hop in their X-wings, jump into hyperspace, and pull up in some god's driveway.

Because your working of so many assumptions (unless you like to use IC evidance to prove the other wise) that it must have errors in it, and unless you going to continually update (remeber all Mikosolf electronics require the M9897 version to run correctly) you might want to put it all back on the drawing board.

OOC: You are mixing up IC and OOC again. We're dealing with the NS Sci-Fi/Fantasy universe, where Demon Elves can hop in their X-wings, jump into hyperspace, and pull up in some god's driveway.((OOC: Not really. What you're deciding here is so monumental that it's far above the simple Demon-Elf visiting a god's house in his X-Wing. You are defining the will and the existance of the one true god, something that all NationStaters look at differently. If you control what God is and how it thinks, then what's to stop you from using it to obliterate a nation?))

Because your working of so many assumptions (unless you like to use IC evidance to prove the other wise) that it must have errors in it, and unless you going to continually update (remeber all Mikosolf electronics require the M9897 version to run correctly) you might want to put it all back on the drawing board.I really do not see your point.

The only "assumptions" thing this technology is based on are the following:

Spirits exist.
Good and Evil exist.
Some spirits are stronger than others.

OOC: You are mixing up IC and OOC again. We're dealing with the NS Sci-Fi/Fantasy universe, where Demon Elves can hop in their X-wings, jump into hyperspace, and pull up in some god's driveway.((OOC: Not really. What you're deciding here is so monumental that it's far above the simple Demon-Elf visiting a god's house in his X-Wing. You are defining the will and the existance of the one true god, something that all NationStaters look at differently. If you control what God is and how it thinks, then what's to stop you from using it to obliterate a nation?))OOC: Dude, what did I say like 20 posts ago. This in no way endorses on religion or one God.

And prove those 3 things to me (either IC or OOC).

And prove those 3 things to me (either IC or OOC).OOC: They have been proven countless times IC, and I don't want to go dig up threads.

Thing is, if you don't want to RP in that universe, then don't. It's that simple.

OOC: Dude, what did I say like 20 posts ago. This in no way endorses on religion or one God.((OOC: I never said religion. I simply said that you're stating the opinion of the supreme being, which is something that contradicts many an RP.

As for your whole good and evil thing? It flies in the face of our religious aspect of chaos theory, which we long ago proved correct with our Plasma Plants. Sorry, but we beat you to the punch. :wink: ))

Then again a good 80% of my millitary (which can be used "unofficially") would register as spiritless abomination and register blank and invisible to your sensor :P .

Then again a good 80% of my millitary (which can be used "unofficially") would register as spiritless abomination and register blank and invisible to your sensor :P .And a good 99% of mine would.

Robots don't have souls, which makes them sad. That's something to think about. :P

OOC: Dude, what did I say like 20 posts ago. This in no way endorses on religion or one God.((OOC: I never said religion. I simply said that you're stating the opinion of the supreme being, which is something that contradicts many an RP.

As for your whole good and evil thing? It flies in the face of our religious aspect of chaos theory, which we long ago proved correct with our Plasma Plants. Sorry, but we beat you to the punch. :wink: ))So... don't get involved in any sort of religious RP? That's all you have to do!

Do you know how many RP subjects I ignore? plenty

Yah, but robots are acceptable not to have a soul, you just expect a person to have one ya know.

Then again a good 80% of my millitary (which can be used "unofficially") would register as spiritless abomination and register blank and invisible to your sensor :P .Umm... not really... Robots don't have souls, which makes them sad. That's something to think about. :PYou are correct. Robots do not have souls (intelligences). but they do have spirit (pre-matter).

Well I guess it would depend, souls for you go away when they die right? (no, they are not undead soldiers)

If you think hard you can guess; movie+california's governer

You are correct. Robots do not have souls (intelligences). but they do have spirit (pre-matter).And you're incorrect, they don't have spirit because they're a series of on and off switches. Those who control them have spirit, but it's not reflected in the actions of the robots.

In short, a robot has just about as much spirit as your everyday avarage computer does, which isn't much as it turns out.

You are correct. Robots do not have souls (intelligences). but they do have spirit (pre-matter).And you're incorrect, they don't have spirit because they're a series of on and off switches. Those who control them have spirit, but it's not reflected in the actions of the robots.

In short, a robot has just about as much spirit as your everyday avarage computer does, which isn't much as it turns out.Like I said, They don't have souls(intelligences)

But all matter in this universe has spiritual properties.

But all matter in this universe has spiritual properties.So if a robot is floating in space, it'd be just as detectable as an asteroid, and regester on your sensors as one.

Most excellent. :)

Well thats depending on how you look at it. I take it your using three theory with possible christian ties (?); body, soul, spirit.

From my understanding is that soul is a somewhat seperate entity while the spirit is in the best sense the "ego" the person what makes you you. So therefore robots would have neither.

The soul is the Eternal Intelligence

Spirit is a property of matter, that exists before matter. As to what spirit matter's actual purpose is, is relatively unknown, and that is what we are researching.

Well thats depending on how you look at it. I take it your using three theory with possible christian ties (?); body, soul, spirit.

From my understanding is that soul is a somewhat seperate entity while the spirit is in the best sense the "ego" the person what makes you you. So therefore robots would have neither.And that is not necessarily true.

A theory that has been rumored to be true:
A robot built by inspired design can in fact have soul (intelligence).

Oh, so your taking that route!

Spirit is the interconectivity between atoms, it is the universal glue, it is everything, yet it is nothing of it self.

It is the all importent echo of the night.

Oh, so your taking that route!

Spirit is the interconectivity between atoms, it is the universal glue, it is everything, yet it is nothing of it self.

It is the all importent echo of the night.Spirit is believed to be an alternative/coexistor of strings.

I suppose a better word might be "Essence"

The echo so to speak of matter. Trying to recall if spirit can exist w/o matter, but matter cannot exist w/o spirit (it tears itself apart).

The echo so to speak of matter. Trying to recall if spirit can exist w/o matter, but matter cannot exist w/o spirit (it tears itself apart).exactly.

FYI I'm going to load and fire the I.G.N.O.R.E cannon on this thread because of the thread subject...not that any of you would care anyway.
I was the first poster to stir up the !@#$ on how the device works.

JiangGuo

FYI I'm going to load and fire the I.G.N.O.R.E cannon on this thread because of the thread subject...not that any of you would care anyway.
I was the first poster to stir up the !@#$ on how the device works.

JiangGuoOOC: Gimme more time to BS something up if you want me to go into detail :P

A robot built by inspired design can in fact have soul (intelligence).Yes, but ours are built on an assembly line. Hardly inspired design, don't you think? :wink:

A robot built by inspired design can in fact have soul (intelligence).Yes, but ours are built on an assembly line. Hardly inspired design, don't you think? :wink:i'd have to see for myself.

It's usually pretty obvious which one have souls... they seem more... alive.