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Construction has begun on the new Cowdery-Class sea base. It is estimated that the new Defense Carrier will be launched within 18 months.

http://www.bateshome.com/jordan/seabase.htm
http://www.bateshome.com/jordan/acc.jpg (http://www.bateshome.com/jordan/seabase.htm)

This will be available to Allies Only, and will sell to them only at 25.5 Billion USD.

http://www.bateshome.com/jordan/rsig1.jpg (http://www.bateshome.com/jordan/rmtdex.htm)
http://www.bateshome.com/jordan/rsig5.jpg (http://www.bateshome.com/jordan/factbook.htm)

Would take a couple years..

Would take a couple years..nah

We build much bigger stuff all the time.

EDIT: I meant 18 months

Nice idea. Carrier with Guns 8)

Nice idea. Carrier with Guns 8)Heck yeah... and big guns at that :)

I need SOMETHING to compete with the doujin :P

*Prepares new storefront and new carrier to compete with Raysia*

Nice idea. Carrier with Guns 8)
And what big guns they are - Look at them in comparison to the size of the aircraft - what are you planning on bringing down with those things, satellites? heh.

Nice idea. Carrier with Guns 8)
And what big guns they are - Look at them in comparison to the size of the aircraft - what are you planning on bringing down with those things, satellites? heh.Try a Doujin-class ubership in one shot, or a flight of bombers before they even come in AA firing range :)

Oh, and that big aircraft under the gun is 180 feet long :P

Nice idea. Carrier with Guns 8)
And what big guns they are - Look at them in comparison to the size of the aircraft - what are you planning on bringing down with those things, satellites? heh.Try a Doujin-class ubership in one shot, or a flight of bombers before they even come in AA firing range :)

Oh, and that big aircraft under the gun is 180 feet long :P
You evil thing you - I dread to think what Doujin is going to come up with to counter that - You two make my (and most other nations) ships look like a motley collection of children's bath toys :shock:

Oh, and heh @ your comment on the site about making it less obvious on radar by using rounded edges - Great, so now my navy will be able to run in terror at the slightly *smaller* apparent island sailing towards them at a high rate of knots...

whoah! your NVTOLs are huge!!

First off, I've been doubting your Stonehenge/Megalith weapon for awhile (I'm ~2010 tech, so..); and with that, even if I believed it was possible (info please?)

can i buy one?

:)

Very cool ship, Raysia!

Although I must admit, I mistook your Sky Cleaners for Contruction cranes...:?

Are they for sale :)

Although I must admit, I mistook your Sky Cleaners for Contruction cranes...:?
This, along with this ship's ability to dock submarines and other vessels gives me an idea - why have to send your ships back to port for repairs when you could have an ubership capable of docking all but the largest vessels and making the repairs right there?

Probably done before but I think I'll put that one by as an idea to design later - I'm too tired/lazy at the moment :lol:

'Cos in the end it wouldn't be able to carry all the supplies it might need. There are ships, like the Titan, which pick up a medium sized ship and take it to port, but....

Titan Class Floating Repair Dock

http://img50.photobucket.com/albums/v152/doujincorp/titan.png

Displacement: 44,000 tons
Propulsion: 4 x N4100 Gas Turbines, 80,000 shp, 2 shafts, 18 kts
Crew: 54
Radar: G04 Navigation
Fire Control: Overlord N/Standard System
EW: 1 Type 2 Chaff/Flare Dispenser, ?Slacker? ECM/ESM suite
Sonar: N/A
Aviation: Helipad, 1 x small helicopter
Armament: N/A
Armour: 50 mm Steel
Builders: Kettering Shipbuilders Inc

Nice idea. Carrier with Guns 8)


I agree. It would be very nice if you issued a sale price so we can all have one of these great carriers. But its really your idea and carrier.

Are they for sale :)
Oh, then I would like 5 of these carriers for my navy, they will be the newest and one of the most suficsticated group of carriers my naval fleet has to offer. Money will be sent apon confirmation.

*money wired apon confirmation*

Now hold on there.. the Doujin is a carrier with guns too :P Or is it a Battleship with planes... *thinks*

Fair point - still, I think I might go design something similar to the Titan - I feel like getting in on this sudden huge ship creation battle, if only in a small way...

Now hold on there.. the Doujin is a carrier with guns too :P Or is it a Battleship with planes... *thinks*

YOu know doujin I do like your carriers alot. In fact Pheonix Intl. (which company runs my nation for the current moment) is starting to directly compete with the doujini corp. but not with the weapons or ships, more like stock competition.

Kelonian, so how are you going to get a ship on the floating dock? :wink:

Wise move, I don't think anyone could compete with these two in terms of ships - my biggest ship-building company, Izborski Corp, couldn't compete with them in it's wildest dreams, and Izborski are even holding back the mighty Turvic Corporation in the Kelonian shipping field (for an idea of the might of the Turvic Corporation, they're like Ford, Microsoft, McDonald's, Coca-Cola and every other American big business rolled into one - an ubercorp, if you will, that controls everything).

Oh, and:
Kelonian, so how are you going to get a ship on the floating dock?
Well, it couldn't pick up anything too huge, like an aircraft carrier or a full battleship, but theoretically a ship large enough to encircle a small-to-mid-sized ship in some way which would stabilise it and allow repairs that normally wouldn't be possible without that stability and support could be developed quite easily - That's very similar to the Titan's role, albeit slightly more active - which is a far cry from my original idea, but my original ideas are rarely well thought through.

It'd be more 'into' rather than 'onto' the dock, as a ship that could physically lift another of any real size would be truly huge and just wouldn't be cost-effective - plus there are probably thousands of complications involving such a manouvre that I don't really want to get into the physics of right at the moment - That idea's one for the future, I think - For when I have better research and a better economy :wink:

Which is exactly what Doujinshi Corporation is ;)

OOC:
Shameless advertisment on Raysia's thread? How rude. :P

Kelonian, the Titan works by sinking itself, floating under the ship in question, and the "un"sinking itself :P

I had a slightly different idea than that, like the front part within which the ship would be contained opening in like jaws.

I also had a vague idea of how the structure beneath the surface would be able to survive the strains of being pulled around in such a way, involving several streamlined sections that would be kept facing the same direction as the main body of the vessel while the jaws were opening and the ship was manouvering into position around the vessel it was attending to, then rotating to the side so the jaws would have a smoother job closing before rotating slowly back to a near-flat area to avoid causing damage to the target vessel.

Bear in mind that all the above was dreamt up in pretty short order, and is all just a very vague idea without any real scientific backup - the whole system was pretty much train-of-thought from realising how a solid structure would be put under massive stress if it was put through the pressures of the 'jaw' movement while submerged, so please don't kill me if the idea is too vague or is totally unfeasable - Any problems that would be involved in this system are most likely beyond my sphere of nautical knowledge, and I'm far too out of it at the moment to explain my idea fully - I might put together some preliminary sketches later on if I start to feel better - heh.

I think I'll leave these big nautical projects to you from now on, and just stick to designing aircraft and giving pedantic little points about others' designs :P - That definately seems more me.

Anyway, this is beginning to turn into a serious threadjack of Raysia's post, so once I get a few more ideas down or even decide this idea is worth pursuing, I'll stick my own thread up about it.

Back on-topic: This ubership arms race is, from an outsider's point of view, very interesting and technically enlightening - from a nation that might have to face these things down's point of view, terrifying.

Yes, they are for sale... that's why there's a price at the bottom :)

I'm going to have to put a * next to the AME Mk IVs though.

The AME Mk IVs are about half as powerful as the land based sky cleaners, and 1/4th as powerful as the Sea cleaners... but they fire the same ammo.

That ammo being the standard 1 kt H-Bomb-type warhead, weighing 3000kg (6600 lbs).

I'll put that up immediately.

EDIT: No orders confirmed. I'm restricting this to Allies Only.

And keep in mind, while I did say I could sink a Doujin in 1 or 2 shots, the fact still remains that the Doujin is like 10 times as big as the Cowdery...

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I think I might do an submarine with an Underwater AME :)

umpbay

I think I might do an submarine with an Underwater AME :)
*Cough*

Subs with nuke guns? Been done. My Mako class attack sub was designed as a Ubership killer. In fact, it was designed a bit too well, and I was convinced not to export it because of a threat to certain peoples large ships (Who I'm allied with). Extra Pebblebed reactor for a 500mm Railgun capable of firing some of the largest DU penentrators in the world, or Tactical Nuclear weapons.
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I think I might do an submarine with an Underwater AME :)
*Cough*

Subs with nuke guns? Been done. My Mako class attack sub was designed as a Ubership killer. In fact, it was designed a bit too well, and I was convinced not to export it because of a threat to certain peoples large ships (Who I'm allied with). Extra Pebblebed reactor for a 500mm Railgun capable of firing some of the largest DU penentrators in the world, or Tactical Nuclear weapons.
[/hijack]LOL Screw AMEs, I'm just going to have a bunch of Rail Cannons

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=139873

Is there any way that the ammunition is not nuclear? We prefer to use conventional warfare at all times, which would basically leave these useless if they used thermonuclear ammunition.

However, as an ally (right? It isn't exactly official, but...:lol:) we would like to use these in the role that the Doujin was originally invisioned to fill. (When I realized how huge that thing was....heh)

Zoogiedom would like to purchase eight of these ships at a price of $204 billion. Four of them will be used in the Three Islands Defense Forces to effectively defend our nation from outside aggression on our most open and therefore vulnerable side; one will be stationed around the Mettelian Isles to cover an embassy hotspot, and one will either be stationed in the Northern Isles of the nation or in international waters throughout my region.

The remaining two will be used in the regional defense forces to defend other sides from aggression.

Doujin, your battleship that has planes is a very potent and effective vessel...but do realize that it is your flagship. While we have expressed much interest in the past, we realize that nations should not be selling their naval flagships, and as such, are dropping plans to purchase the Doujin class.

However, your battleship/carrier cannot even compete with this carrier...for they are two completely different types of vessels. Your Doujin completely dwarfs this, and is so expensive we can't possibly afford it :P

You're welcome to use your own ammo, but as you can see, squeezed in there on the stats, it says the secondary ammo is FAE explosive.

H-Bombs are relatively clean, and this is very low power.

True, but we refrain from nuclear weapons even in cases as this unless absolutely necessary, or unless the enemy had really, really, really, really ticked us off.

-What is FAE?

-The order is confirmed, right?

(Zoogie here...gaaah...)

True, but we refrain from nuclear weapons even in cases as this unless absolutely necessary, or unless the enemy had really, really, really, really ticked us off.

-What is FAE?

-The order is confirmed, right?

(Zoogie here...gaaah...)

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