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Concept Projects - open to joint development

The Zoogie People
16-04-2004, 03:11
Zoogie Concept Projects

Okay, I have several concepts swimming around in my head that I would like to list for others to review their feasibility, effectiveness, and desire to see such a product produced. Everything is open to joint project discussion here. Export possibilites of most of these is limited, as it is not a reliable and large source of money, and placing them in the wrong hands could be disastrous. Please do not offer your own products - we seek joint projects.

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Submersible Supply Ship

Zoogiedom Naval Forces is looking into the possibility of a large, nuclear powered, submerged naval supply ship with no combat capabilities. Similar in role to the Sacramento and Supply-class vessels of the US Navy, this supply ship would essentially be a submerged behemoth, able to emerge to the surface for supply transfer. It would have much more capacity and capability than the Supply-class, and would be able to keep a much larger fleet on station for a longer period of time than the Supply-class.

Short ranged heat seaking missile

The Zoogie Air Systems require a dogfighting missile with infrared and limited multidesignation (laser, GPS) tracking, with very effective off boresight targeting and close combat situations. We are looking to develop our own, not liscence a new one, although a joint project is certainly feasible. It should back extensive exploding power for its weight class (preferably around 200 lbs), have a maximum range of up to eight miles, and be able to efficiently engage certain ground targets if necessary. Primary usage would be in dogfighting - we want our planes to be able to fire missiles first in the gap between medium ranged (AMRAAM, MICA, Adder) missiles' range of ineffectiveness and short ranged missiles range of effectiveness. We also want these to be used in very close dogfights, to give our aircraft more of an edge over equally manueverable enemy aircraft. Naturally, it should be countermeasures resistant and hard to detect.

Meteor-type missile

Zoogiedom is also seeking a medium-to-long ranged missile similar to the Meteor, with a maximum range of some 100km...with a minimum range in the low 20s, or as low as possible. It would be compact, agile, and countermeasures resistant for carriage in our air defense and air superiority fighters. We want first-sight capability from far off with the reliability and size of an AMRAAM.

Armoured personell carrier

While the Zoogie Army's requisite for an infantry fighting vehicle / armoured personell carrier are vague, we are in serious need of a replacement of our Bradleys. We seek to jointly design a much better alternative, with speed, range, and protection against enemy fire key issues in development.

Seawolf class submarine

While a next generation attack submarine of the Virginia caliber is already deployed, we have nothing of the Seawolf caliber. We wish for a heavier, more powerful submarine to accompany our larger fleets - two of these rather than three or four of the lighter ones. Seawolf cost problems and various program downfalls are areas we seek to fix.

Naval Attack Bomber

To replace aging, aging A-6E Intruders, we seek a naval fighter bomber project, most likely based off of the A-12 programme. Its range and survivability will also make it candidates for AWACs and EW. It should have a large range, medium to high payload, and be cost effective for the aircraft it intends to replace.

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Next-Generation Radar System

This project has the goal of creating the most advanced radar system ever designed. It will be a powerful radar for its purposes, with look-down-shoot-down and all aspect capability...it will also be hard to track down via passive radar. As a subset to this project, a passive radar/RWR system is to be designed to be able to track down basically all enemy radar transmissions, including to some extent this very radar. We are interested in Sileetris co-developing this product.
Soviet Bloc
16-04-2004, 03:49
Soviet Bloc
16-04-2004, 03:50
The ARSB would be interested in joint developing an APC and the short-range heat-seeking missile with the Zoogiedom. We also believe that we already have a replacement for the A-6E. You may telegram me if you are interested.
_Taiwan
16-04-2004, 04:07
Short ranged heat seaking missile

The Zoogie Air Systems require a dogfighting missile with infrared and limited multidesignation (laser, GPS) tracking, with very effective off boresight targeting and close combat situations. We are looking to develop our own, not liscence a new one, although a joint project is certainly feasible. It should back extensive exploding power for its weight class (preferably around 200 lbs), have a maximum range of up to eight miles, and be able to efficiently engage certain ground targets if necessary. Primary usage would be in dogfighting - we want our planes to be able to fire missiles first in the gap between medium ranged (AMRAAM, MICA, Adder) missiles' range of ineffectiveness and short ranged missiles range of effectiveness. We also want these to be used in very close dogfights, to give our aircraft more of an edge over equally manueverable enemy aircraft. Naturally, it should be countermeasures resistant and hard to detect.


(200lb is a huge warhead. The AMRAAM itself weights some 300lb)
The Zoogie People
16-04-2004, 04:10
OOC: You've got TG

IC:

As Zoogiedom has seen great products from its ally Soviet Bloc in the past, it is most pleased to welcome Soviet Bloc to jointly design a short ranged heatseeking missile and an armoured personell carrier. Others may still join, but we are glad to announce that Soviet Bloc is working with Zoogiedom in a joint military endeavor.

- Department of Defense

OOC - 2 : Taiwan, I mean the weight of the missile itself. The AIM-9 is 190 lbs and the AA-11 230, if I remember correctly.
16-04-2004, 04:14
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The Zoogie People
16-04-2004, 04:22
Okay...I've been busy as well. You are most welcome to co-develop the submersed supply ship. Thank you...
imported_Sileetris
16-04-2004, 06:21
Zoogie, if you wanted my help on radar you should have telegrammed me, as it is now my scientists have been slaving over a hot supercomputer for months since the release of the next gen athena systems that defeated our old radar. We will be presenting our new radar at the air powers conferance you're hosting. But I'll give one spoiler; its is impossible to track accurately with any form of passive radar. Be prepared, in 2 days Sileetris will make you all its radar bitch :-D.(I may consider sharing the tech, but the price will be ridiculously high)

Also coming to the conference are our new dogfighting mini-missiles, which should prove to be a big hit(or many small ones hehe).

In other words: You should have asked me earlier.....
The Zoogie People
17-04-2004, 00:48
OOC: Ok...Well, I just realized the need for a radar yesterday anyhow.
New Empire
17-04-2004, 01:23
We have long been pioneers of submarine design, and if we can make a submersible carrier, we can make a submersible transport ship (Actually, you've seen it on the OMP forums, but it's beyond your TL). We will gladly help you with your design, as we have been looking for a large size submersible transport for our SCBGs.

OOC:Sileetris, whatever you make, we will counteract, it's as simple as changing programming. A radar arms race, how fun...
The Zoogie People
17-04-2004, 01:44
Oh, the submersible transport ship? That's different...this is a fleet supply ship, but yeah, it is above my tech level. If you would like to help, thanks :P Sniper Country is helping as well...so if you could both sign up either in the OMP or Zoogie Isles Regional Boards (http://s6.invisionfree.com/The_Zoogie_Isles), it doesn't matter which.
New Empire
17-04-2004, 01:48
Actually, the Submersible transport ship was being made for SS. The Beluga Advanced Support Vessel (http://s6.invisionfree.com/orgmp/index.php?showtopic=44) is a boat that had supply, salvage, 'arsenal ship', and transport roles. It's small, though, so that's why I'm going to work on the project.

I'll just sign up at the ZIRB.
Great Mateo
17-04-2004, 01:59
Submersible Supply Ship

Zoogiedom Naval Forces is looking into the possibility of a large, nuclear powered, submerged naval supply ship with no combat capabilities. Similar in role to the Sacramento and Supply-class vessels of the US Navy, this supply ship would essentially be a submerged behemoth, able to emerge to the surface for supply transfer. It would have much more capacity and capability than the Supply-class, and would be able to keep a much larger fleet on station for a longer period of time than the Supply-class.


GMI would be greatly interested in this project, as we were currently beginning development on a similar project of our own, a submersible hospital ship.

We would also be interested in simulataneously developing a replacement for the SeaWolf- always looking for something better to serve as a mother boat for the Manta.
The Zoogie People
17-04-2004, 02:04
Okay, if Sniper Country and New Empire don't mind you joining in, sign up at the regional boards for development for both the sea wolf replacement and the submersible fleet supply ship. If you don't mind, we would also be interested in the hospital ship.
Jordaxia
17-04-2004, 02:18
I'd like to put knowledge, and funding, to the submersible supply ship, and the short ranged heat seeking missile. I sent a TG regarding it.
Jordaxia
17-04-2004, 02:18
I'd like to put knowledge, and funding, to the submersible supply ship, and the short ranged heat seeking missile. I sent a TG regarding it.
The Zoogie People
17-04-2004, 02:54
You may be part of both projects.
17-04-2004, 03:01
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17-04-2004, 04:13
I have an answer to your Naval Attack Bomber. I have an airplane similar to what you seek. Check it out here http://www.freewebs.com/anatoray/aircraft.htm (Towards the bottom)
United Elias
17-04-2004, 18:11
We can save you a lot on development costs:

Elias Weapons and Ordnance has two of the most effective AAMs in the world, the Cobra and the Viper, each of which satisfies the requirements of a short range IR guided missile and a medium to long range rdar guided AAM.

Details here:

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=135324&start=0

For your naval strike aircraft we put forward the EA-220 Joint Tactical Bomber, which literally took months RL to devlop (20+ forum pages and loads of emails) and therefore is probably the most thought out plane in NS. Currently we are examing the possibility of converting some with imrpoved electronic warfare capabilties,and we would be happy to co-develop this upgraded version with you.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=88103&highlight=
The Zoogie People
17-04-2004, 18:16
Well, as our missiles would be huge contracts, we are very reluctant to purchase designs from other nations, although we recognize the quality of oyur missiles. Your naval strike aircraft we will put into more consideration, and would also be happy to co develop the upgraded version.
United Elias
17-04-2004, 18:20
We could sell the production rights for the missiles for a total of 4 billion. Or you could spend 50 billion developing your own which probably won't be as effctive. Your choice. :wink:
The Zoogie People
17-04-2004, 18:26
We're developing it with Soviet Bloc as we speak...so far now, buying production rights is not an option...sorry.
Al-Sabir
17-04-2004, 18:30
Armoured personell carrier[/b]

While the Zoogie Army's requisite for an infantry fighting vehicle / armoured personell carrier are vague, we are in serious need of a replacement of our Bradleys. We seek to jointly design a much better alternative, with speed, range, and protection against enemy fire key issues in development.


The Emirate of Al-Sabir is interested in the same thing and would like to assist The Zoogie People in developing this product.
18-04-2004, 00:45
I resent that remark! It has nothing to do with mechs! (lol)