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The workshop was littered with high tech machinery but in the middle stood Boris's masterpiece, a 3 megaton nuclear weapon finished. It was ready to reek death on those who claimed the lives of so many of his people. They had waited years and now their work was coming to fruitation, they had got a slot on an Holy Panooly registered cargo courier. They had got people on the inside so security was no probeblem. All was needed it for it to be armed, packed up and shipped off.

A couple of hours later...

The PanEx cargo plane approached Credonian airspace "Credonian traffic control this is PanEx flight 274 to Credonia City airport are we clear to enter your airspace?" While he waited for for the answer the though about his wife at home, he new nothing about the true nature of his cargo, no one on the plane did.

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reply coming soon, still thinking of a way to stop this, plus the debates about to start

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reply coming soon, still thinking of a way to stop this, plus the debates about to start

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Can the HP rebels be notified of this?

sure and the debate on the forums about to start

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The workshop was littered with high tech machinery but in the middle stood Boris's masterpiece, a 3 megaton nuclear weapon finished. It was ready to reek death on those who claimed the lives of so many of his people. They had waited years and now their work was coming to fruitation, they had got a slot on an Holy Panooly registered cargo courier. They had got people on the inside so security was no probeblem. All was needed it for it to be armed, packed up and shipped off.

A couple of hours later...

The PanEx cargo plane approached Credonian airspace "Credonian traffic control this is PanEx flight 274 to Credonia City airport are we clear to enter your airspace?" While he waited for for the answer the though about his wife at home, he new nothing about the true nature of his cargo, no one on the plane did.

OOC: is this sort of like "Sum of All Fears"?

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OOC:it is a bit but there is no way this can posibly be discovered, its no going through customs. Once the plane arrives at the airport the bobmb will detonate hopefully wiping out credonia city. Bump and Credonia just get over it, i outsmarted you. Post a reply even if it is just letting the plane into your airspace

OOC:
How big is Credonia City?

Thermal radiation radius (3rd degree burns): 18.3 kilometres
Air blast radius (widespread destruction): 10.4 kilometres
Air blast radius (near-total fatalities): 3.9 kilometres
Ionizing radiation radius (500 rem): 3.8 kilometres
Fireball duration: 7.4 seconds
Fireball radius (minimum): 670 metres
Fireball radius (airburst): 820 metres
Fireball radius (ground-contact airburst): 1.1 kilometres


All figures assume optimum burst height

Thermal radiation is non-ionizing electromagnetic radiation which has a significant heating effect. Air is virtually transparent to thermal radiation. At the destructive radius, the thermal radiation intensity is sufficient to cause lethal burns.

The first air blast is 4.6psi overpressure, which is sufficient to collapse most residential and industrial structures. Note that exposed humans can actually survive such a blast, about 1/3 bar above standard. However, that much pressure exerted against the face of a building exerts very high force (a 40 foot tall, 50 foot wide structure would be hit with more than 600 tons-force).

The second air blast category is 20psi overpressure, which is sufficient to destroy virtually any large above-ground structure and cause nearly 100% fatalities.

Ionizing radiation is electromagnetic radiation of sufficient frequency (and hence energy) to literally "knock off" electrons from atoms, thus ionizing them. Ionizing radiation is extremely dangerous but it is also strongly absorbed by air, unlike thermal radiation. At the 500rem dosage, mortality is between 50% and 90%, although this can be mitigated with prompt and sophisticated medical care (which may not be available in the aftermath of a nuclear attack).

Fireball duration is based on emission intensity reduction to 10% of peak.

Fireball radius is based on a scaling law from "The Effects of Nuclear Weapons" (1977), Chapter IIc, from excerpts reprinted at EnviroWeb. According to that source, fireball radius scales with (Y^0.4), where Y is yield. Also note that a ground-contact airburst creates a larger fireball because some of the energy is reflected back up from the surface.


In Theory, if this place is, say, like Chicago.. a lot of damage will occur but, the Emperor and President could still survive.

Heh well let's see how Credionia can stop an official diplomatic cargo plane.

OOC: http://www.lastortugasvilla.com/views/chicken.jpg

IC: "Controll did you here us? are we clear to enter?"

After recieving a tip-opff from the Austar Union Intelligencte Agency (OOC: yes we did get a tip off from them, confirm with AU), it was immediately reported to War Headquarters and the Credonian Intelligence Agency, who begain immediate tracking of this so called diplomatic plane.

"This is Credonian Center Control, you are not clear to enter Credonian airspace. Any attempt to enter will result in the destruction of your aircraft. I repeat, do not enter Credonian airspace. We are dispatching five F-15E Strike Eagles to escort you away from the Credonian border. Any attempt to break off will also result in the IMMEDIATE and deliberate destruction of your aircraft. We will be contacting Holy Panooley to inform them of the situation."

Meanwhile, at Sutton Air Force Base, 5 F-15E Strike Eagles took off to rendezvous with the entering aircraft. ETA: 2 minutes


OOC: Your first mistake was to tell AU about it and not specify it was OOC information, so no, you didnt outsmart me.

Credonia you're so low. It was neither OOC nor IC so you have NO right to say it was a real tip off... It's a diplomatic plane from MY nation so you'll have to consult with me about the plane.

OOC: Actually it WAS a tipoff, I did tip him off about it......my intelligence sees evverrything.....

OOC: Your first mistake was to tell AU about it and not specify it was OOC information, so no, you didnt outsmart me.

And he strikes back with a technicality! :lol:

Though I still do expect this to end badly.

OOC: Your first mistake was to tell AU about it and not specify it was OOC information, so no, you didnt outsmart me.

And he strikes back with a technicality! :lol:

Though I still do expect this to end badly.

OOC: yes come on Cred you can save a few people, in buildings and stuff, but that is a real wet paper tissue technicality

OOC: Actually it WAS a tipoff, I did tip him off about it......my intelligence sees evverrything.....

Your intelligence can't even find a tree in the middle of sherwood forest

EDIT: typos look damn stupid.

OOC: Actually it WAS a tipoff, I did tip him off about it......my intelligence sees evverrything.....

Your intelligence can't even find a three in the middle of sherwood forest

OOC *Looks for a 3....*

Do you mean tree? lol

typo...

ooc: Any convo ive ever had with AU has been clearly OOC and i can provide the transcripts. Its like a mod deleting you for not putting OOC in front of bump, you are a p***y. Just because a your going to get hurt you are spoiling this. The convo with AU was after the thread had been posted, he got the info it was a nuke from the thread and no one now about this other than the operatives involved. If you continue with this blatant godmodding i urge every one to start ignoring credonia and au

typo...

OOC hehe....just thought I should tell you before Credonia did...

ooc: Any convo ive ever had with AU has been clearly OOC and i can provide the transcripts. Its like a mod deleting you for not putting OOC in front of bump, you are a p***y. Just because a your going to get hurt you are spoiling this. The convo with AU was after the thread had been posted, he got the info it was a nuke from the thread and no one now about this other than the operatives involved. If you continue with this blatant godmodding i urge every one to start ignoring credonia and au

OOC: Ignore me? LOL, dont be foolish...

OOC: LOL, that was a good analogy Holy Panooly, but not quiet. My intelligence could find a coconut at the bottom of the ocean...well, not quiet again, but..... :D

OOC: so your intelligence is psycic? how on earth did you find out, im intrigued. A plot this important would have the utmost secracy about it, you would have had to infiltrate that particluar group and if you had you would have taken them out long ago. This is godmodding in its most nubish form, you dont even know the bomb is on th plane. The post never states they loaded it on that plane, its iplied but not catagoricly stated

typo...

OOC hehe....just thought I should tell you before Credonia did...

Yeah thanks for telling me :wink: . Typos make you look stupid.

Everyone can see the complete hypocrisy of these larger nations.

Austar Union, how did you know? don't give me that 'intelligence' bullshit.

Tell me the steps that you took to know the vital information - tell us all.

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Take it or leave it HLF/HH. You tricked me into allowing u to bring a nuclear weapon into Credonia, this is how im going to deal with it. I got a tip off, and thats how im gonna play it. Shouldnt have tricked me. Either go with what has already been RP'ed or drop it all.

Take it or leave it HLF/HH. You tricked me into allowing u to bring a nuclear weapon into Credonia, this is how im going to deal with it. I got a tip off, and thats how im gonna play it. Shouldnt have tricked me. Either go with what has already been RP'ed or drop it all.

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Take it or leave it HLF/HH. You tricked me into allowing u to bring a nuclear weapon into Credonia, this is how im going to deal with it. I got a tip off, and thats how im gonna play it. Shouldnt have tricked me. Either go with what has already been RP'ed or drop it all.

It is not their fault that you are naive.

as i said, take it or leave it

If you can't take some losses than don't play the damn game. Simple as that.

OOC: I didn't trick you, it was your decision to allow cargo flights from Holy Panooly. Could i ask how you got a tip off, if you continus with your claims that your intelligence agents are phsycic you will be ignored untill further notice and i hope others will do the same

as i said, take it or leave it

Credonia, so you coming clean that you are throwing a hissy fit because they OUTSMARTED you in covert antics?

This is a completely valid RP, and just because you 'couldn't think of a way out of it' you start to go mod

hey if u cant deal with the fact that i got a tip off, thats on you

hey if u cant deal with the fact that i got a tip off, thats on you

HOW DID YOUR SOURCE KNOW ABOUT THIS ATTACK?

HOW DID YOUR SOURCE KNOW ABOUT THIS ATTACK?

Stop godmodding Credonia.

I'm wondering how Credonia is going to save himself... All is against him and since the msn convo with AU wasn't specified as IC there's no evidence at all.

Same old story as with Iron Blood's invasion attempt. OOC knowledge for IC purposes...

Credonia...your only making this hard on yourself, i bet the suttons GLA killed my be turning over in their graves :P...

Tip off from who?

Austar? - No, its not valid, since it was an OOC convo

So who?

We need to see evidence that you have information regarding whats actually on the plane.

Who tipped your government off?

Who tipped off the people that tipped you off?

Where did the person that tipped the previous person get his/her information from?

How did he get this information?

Did an RP take place with this 'mole' ?

If so, where?

jesus cant you take a loss, its a game. You dont have to throw a fit, i thought you might know how to play this game by now but it seems im wrong

jesus cant you take a loss, its a game. You dont have to throw a fit, i thought you might know how to play this game by now but it seems im wrong

Credonia hasn't replied... Who would have thought that?

A nuke going off in a city is no light thing, let him have time to think about it!

look at the date this thread was posted

look at the date this thread was posted

How might i do that?

read the first post, bar at the top

It's only 3 or 4 days old... More than enough time to think about it

O ok, well you learn sumin new everyday!

hmmm...i was gone for almost half a week and the RP hasnt progressed...this is sad... :(

Bump so everyone can see this little beauty :)

Yet another budding RP goes to pieces due to the inability of some to accept the rules of the game... :(

OOC: It looks to me everyone is missing the point of me tipping off Credonia. I dont think they understand in what context.

Several days ago, I had operatives infiltrate the Austar Union. Of course, because of the amount weaponry they shot at my security, im going to assume that they are terrorists.

Now, a few days ago, I posted on the Concordia forums to all allies that an attack was expected in the Austar Union, and that all members of Concordia are to be on alert.

That is the tipoff that Credonia is talking about. Now Yes, I did talk to Credonia on msn, but the actual tipoff was on the Concordian Forums.

NO SPECIFIC DETAILS WERE PROVIDED

You will have to ask Credonia how he knows that this plane has anything to do with it.

OOC2: Credonia, you know what, considering everyone wants to continue this RP the way HLF had planned it, why dont you just let this play along. Besides, I wouldnt mind RPing the counter attack..... ;) :D

OOC:So...no exact details...lovely. That shoots down Credonia's whole knowing through you. I think I'ma sit and watch the rest of this.

OOC: I think when me and Credonia talked, something came up about the detection of Nuclear Material on the plane or something......something about radiation being detected or something....

I cant quiet remember, I was really tired when we were talking so...

OOC: I think when me and Credonia talked, something came up about the detection of Nuclear Material on the plane or something......something about radiation being detected or something....

I cant quiet remember, I was really tired when we were talking so...

Now let me get this straight... Austar Union can't remember the exact contents of the conversation so there's absolutely NO substantial evidence which proves your point Austar Union. And yet again, I assume no one said it's either IC or OOC so that leaves only one option: a normal chat between two persons.

I've been watching this and I think a very well written has been destroyed thanks to two nations I don't need to mention. Thanks for ruining a great story.

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The Republic of Austar Union: Anatoba: Capital Hill
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After several intelligence tip-offs, we have raised our current security levels to the second highest threat level possible: the HIGH.

There have been reports that four sleeper agents now exist inside the Republic of Austar Union, all from the nation of HLF.

THIS IS A WARNING TO ALL NATIONS

We have intelligence to suggest that the HLF has recognised our alliance of Concordia as an imminant threat to them. We suggest other nations follow suit, as a precautionary measure...

(Reference: http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3050530)

As you can see no evidence, just Cred's stuff would be on High alert as it almost permanently is anyway, so Credonia is GodModding, which is very very saddening to see :cry:
Cred just admit it for the second time terrorists have out smarted you

People like him will rarely admit their own mistakes... So don't count on it.

OOC: this is disgracefull rp, you somehow new that that plane had a nuke on it. The infiltration of AU happened before this thread, you could have stated on this forum that all concordia members had been urged to raise their security measures but you didnt. By some coicidence i found a cartoon on the web which somes this up almost perfectly, find it here (http://www.llogicpcs.net/jack/essays.htm). You complain about terrorists not rping properly when we have to put up with people like you.

HA! Great comic!

Mabey we can get it stickied.

"How not to RP"

would be a good idea...

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Too bad, Credonia should accept that they've been outsmarted. Look on the bright side, its not a full thermonuclear assault, a single 2 megaton thermonuclear (eg. fusion device , the misnomer is 'hyodrogen bomb') device in your capital city is better than a parking lot for a country.

JiangGuo

If Credonia starts rapping on about radiation detectors that detect gamma rays or other forms of radiation. It shouldn't work, unless the detector was pressed right up against the device's secondary stage, you'd be hard pressed to get a significant radiation reading. This is presuming of course the device was built with a significant casing in mind, which is an engineering requirement to ensure the device survives rough handling anyways.

JiangGuo

Someone worked 3 years on it so I doubt he'd forget such an important part of the bomb.

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I can almost think of Credonia talking about ultra-sensitive radiation detectors that pick out gamma rays alone. A device that sensitive would be permanantly blinded by background cosmic radiation, it'd be like trying to see a lightbulb in the sky against the sun as a background.

As for detectors that use muons to detect heavy atomic isotopes, those can't work on non-stationary objects. Can hardly be said of an aircraft in flight!

JiangGuo

Credonia always tried to get away with his skin and when he can't he'll ignore us all. Just read the comic, I don't know who made it but it's true as hell.

OOC: Lol, guys lets stay on topic :D...we don't need any excuses :)

Aren't we on topic then?

Think we better whack a [tag] here, just in case we have to honour our alliance.

nothing to honour here, only stupid godmodding from *you know who*

If it goes ahead then the purpotraitors will have to be brought to justice.

yeah and we would have 2 fun rp's but instead we have this godmodding

Credonia always tried to get away with his skin and when he can't he'll ignore us all. Just read the comic, I don't know who made it but it's true as hell.

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Technically, he would just be ignoring The HLF. Almost all following messages could be considered OOC.

Though I’ve had a few shots a Credonia, I really sympathize with him. This whole thread has been about forcing an unfair situation down his throat. On a similar note, there doesn’t appear to be any signs that there was an OOC discussion before HLF posted.

It's open to debate, but IMO he should have some control over this event. After all, it’s his nation that is involved. If Cred did agree to this, ignore me, otherwise, I shall whine some more.

no comment as to that. Its his nation and if he dont really want a nuke going off in it thats his choice.

unfair? so what would you reduce your military numbers in a war so it was fair? he bombed the crap out of the hlf over a fraud and this is why we've come to this. For the sake of good rp i have never claimed to get through credonias defences and infiltrate operatives but i found a hole in his cordon and have got through it.

Credonia always tried to get away with his skin and when he can't he'll ignore us all. Just read the comic, I don't know who made it but it's true as hell.

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Technically, he would just be ignoring The HLF. Almost all following messages could be considered OOC.

Though I’ve had a few shots a Credonia, I really sympathize with him. This whole thread has been about forcing an unfair situation down his throat. On a similar note, there doesn’t appear to be any signs that there was an OOC discussion before HLF posted.

It's open to debate, but IMO he should have some control over this event. After all, it’s his nation that is involved. If Cred did agree to this, ignore me, otherwise, I shall whine some more.

He did agreed with it until he realized his pitiful city would be reduced to a pile of shit and then he came up with his lame excuse.

unfair? so what would you reduce your military numbers in a war so it was fair? he bombed the crap out of the hlf over a fraud and this is why we've come to this. For the sake of good rp i have never claimed to get through credonias defences and infiltrate operatives but i found a hole in his cordon and have got through it.

Not at all, though I would entrust any nations who had a problem with the way I operate my nation to act reasonably and propose change in a more peaceful way.

What your opinion on Credonia’s attack on HLF is your own business, but if HLF accepted the attack as real under his own volition then it has no relation to what I am talking about.

All that I have seen is: Credonia, a kill you HAHAH. That is not cool, especially without his consent in an OOC pretext.

I could demonstrate this by launching every nuclear, biological and chemical weapon I have directly at you, whatever reason I can formulate to cover it. Now, you’re a relatively small nation so I am quite sure that I could level your empire to the floor. Thank you for your participation, all following messages from this account must be listed as OOC as your nation ceases to exist.

Fun eh?

Monsterous tag. I'm going to Europe later today, so I won't be able to participate. Suffice it to say that there appears to be no way for Credonia to avert this nuclear attack. If the container with the bomb was lead lined (or shielded in some other way), very little radiation would get through. And some of that would be asorbed by people, ect. So there is no way to know anything about it unless you have a really high level mole inside the HLF. The HLF, at the beginning of this thread said that only the very top leaders of the HLF knew what was going on.

Couldn't have said it better.

He did agreed with it until he realized his pitiful city would be reduced to a pile of shit and then he came up with his lame excuse.

Perhaps he did not enjoy the notion that an important part of his nation would be turned into a radioactive pigsty. That is a big, bad thing, so what I am saying is he should be given a say in this.

If he (for some unknown reason) does not wish for his city to become hole in the ground, then talk to him about it, antagonizing him for his opposition to a nuclear strike isn’t helping anybody. Perhaps if the attack was toned down then he would agree to it.

EDIT: Forum bug, so I changed it while it loaded again.

A 2 megaton nuke only destroys a city, not a massive nation like Creddy. He has no reason to ignore this.

its 3, look at the stats doujin posted about the effects

He did agreed with it until he realized his pitiful city would be reduced to a pile of shit and then he came up with his lame excuse.

Perhaps he did not enjoy the notion that an important part of his nation would be turned into a radioactive pigsty. That is a big, bad thing, so what I am saying is he should be given a say in this.

If he wants to stay as a civilized nation, and not a hole in the ground, then talk to him about it, jabbing him for his opposition to a nuclear strike isn?t helping anybody. Perhaps if the attack was toned down then he would agree to it.

It isn't a very large nuclear weapon. Just enough to destroy his capital city. It's not like the whole of Credonia is going to be turned into a radioactive cess-pit. In the intrests of good RP, he shouldn't ignore it.

OOC: Hehe i wonder what would happen if the roles were reversed! Hang on a mo lets try that! All i need is 2 B-2s and 2 Nukes and bada bing we can find out! Watch this space!

Can't a moderator judge about something like this?

OOC: Hehe i wonder what would happen if the roles were reversed! Hang on a mo lets try that! All i need is 2 B-2s and 2 Nukes and bada bing we can find out! Watch this space!

I wish I could ban people from the internet.

A 2 megaton nuke only destroys a city, not a massive nation like Creddy. He has no reason to ignore this.

It's not the damage; it's the principle of the thing!

And this is straying from why I posted.. Was he given any notice or chance to object to this thread? I certainly would be POed if I were told one day that my capital was gone, just like that.

OOC: Hehe i wonder what would happen if the roles were reversed! Hang on a mo lets try that! All i need is 2 B-2s and 2 Nukes and bada bing we can find out! Watch this space!

I wish I could ban people from the internet.

Hehe dont we all!

OOC: Hehe i wonder what would happen if the roles were reversed! Hang on a mo lets try that! All i need is 2 B-2s and 2 Nukes and bada bing we can find out! Watch this space!

well if i couldnt stop it i would let the attack happen on the hlf or huzen hagen

A 2 megaton nuke only destroys a city, not a massive nation like Creddy. He has no reason to ignore this.

It's not the damage; it's the principle of the thing!

And this is straying from why I posted.. Was he given any notice or chance to object to this thread? I certainly would be POed if I were told one day that my capital was gone, just like that.

Credonia could have RPed his way out of it. That's the principle of the thing.

He has an option. It took a devious and deranged mind (namely mine) to come up with it, but it could work. Of course, I'm not going to tell Credonia what it is, seeing his capital turn into a radioactive crater is so much more intresting. (And the counter attack RP could turn into a real classic, provided the godmoding is kept to a minimum.)

Can't a moderator judge about something like this?

Why not let the nation whose about to be given an atomic hug a say?

Bringing in a mediator into a role-played situation would be a strike against the freedom!

//I'm running out of juice, its late, so let the ramblings begin!

OOC: Hehe i wonder what would happen if the roles were reversed! Hang on a mo lets try that! All i need is 2 B-2s and 2 Nukes and bada bing we can find out! Watch this space!

That comment has some frightening similarities to the post I made a short while back...

We has already said it, he got hold of the plans and stopped the whole thing. And he ain't gonna change his mind knowing Credonia.

OOC: have i once godmodded in this thread blackguard? i have come up with a very clever attack that he cant really prevent once its been put in motion much like suicide bombers today

When Credonia invaded the HLF and I let off those nukes he godmodded and claimed he only lossed 2,000. Cred is a godmodder plane and simple, I don't no why you even bother trying to rp with him.

When Credonia invaded the HLF and I let off those nukes he godmodded and claimed he only lossed 2,000. Cred is a godmodder plane and simple, I don't no why you even bother trying to rp with him.


nah he just hates losing his men to stuff, i estimate around 2 million GEM casualties and i been in a few more wars than him and my troopers are superior to his, He just hates taking losses, i think we should get a MOD into this to help out

Ok but I will get the hell out of this thread for a while as Im not in their good books at the moment and it might predudice the mod.*running away in terror*

well said midlonia, very well said.

Credonia could have RPed his way out of it. That's the principle of the thing.

He has an option. It took a devious and deranged mind (namely mine) to come up with it, but it could work. Of course, I'm not going to tell Credonia what it is, seeing his capital turn into a radioactive crater is so much more intresting. (And the counter attack RP could turn into a real classic, provided the godmoding is kept to a minimum.)
Of course getting help to formulate a way out of this situation is the best solution for most all parties involved, though I have yet to see it happen. Why I came into this was to reason with the community to stem some of flak Credonia was receiving. Yes, his counter was comparable to a mound of horse effluent, but seeing a group of nations bagging on him for it was worse, he just wanted a way out.

Having your nation’s capital reduced to a radioactive crater can only be disheartening for the nation it's happening to. He wasn't given a choice in it either, is it so much to ask that he does?

NOTE: IF CREDONIA AGREED TO THIS BEFORE THE FIRST POST WAS MADE PLEASE TELL ME.

EDIT: I spent so long making this post that I mountain of new replies have poped up. Hold on while I read them...

basicly the only ooc convo about this i had with credonia was to ask wheather he would allow an Hp regisetered cargo plane to land at credonia city airport. He gets to decide damage anyway

basicly the only ooc convo about this i had with credonia was to ask wheather he would allow an Hp regisetered cargo plane to land at credonia city airport. He gets to decide damage anyway

Exactly, there was no discussion to whether his capital gets brought to the ground or not. This has just been forced on him.

Before I continue, I will let Cred get a word in, and I will get some sleep.

You're welcome to poke holes in my argument, but until I wake up a response cannot be given.

EDIT: Credonia, if you feel that I have misrepresented you, please don't hesitate to tell me.

well if Credonia just decides the damages then all that would allow is 2 CM squared around the plane to go up in smoke

Credonia should let the plane enter the capital city but before it lands, Credonia's President will be out of the capital for some unknown reason!

We are now officially ignoring credonia unless he comes back and rp's this properly. We urge everyone else to do the same, this game has enough n00bs already.

Credonia hasn't replied... How odd

There is probally an innocent explanation like he's washing his hair or something.

hehehehe

OOC: These are chat logs from convos i had with credonia and AU the day of the thread, they prove that not only was the convo were AU claims to be recieving IC info OOC but i did not have an agreement with credonia on what explosives were to be used.

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| Session Start: 14 April 2004 |
| Participants: |
| Hail to the Gloucester cheese = huzen hagen |
| ...ST/7 pm GMT, See me for the URL = Credonia |
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[17:13:08] Hail to the : would you accept a cargo flight from hp to
land at airport in credonia
[17:14:35] Formal Polit: not in credonia city
[17:14:50] Formal Polit: wait
[17:14:51] Formal Polit: HP?
[17:14:55] Hail to the : yep
[17:15:09] Formal Polit: wat kinda cargo
[17:16:04] Hail to the : just a routine cargo flight carrying bananas
and the like or hp's version of fed ex
[17:16:27] Formal Polit: hmm
[17:16:41] Formal Polit: wat u guys gonna hide? explosives?
[17:17:04] Hail to the : this strictly ooc yes?
[17:17:13] Formal Polit: yes
[17:18:10] Formal Polit: so what cha hiding?
[17:18:12] Formal Polit: men or explosives
[17:20:56] Hail to the : the idea is that the plane is got a bunch of
explosives on and goes down over credonia city or crashes
into the airport.
[17:27:56] Hail to the : well would the plane be allowed to the
airport?
[17:30:11] Formal Polit: hmm
[17:30:32] Formal Polit: u can crash it into the airport
[17:30:40] Hail to the : ok
[17:30:51] Hail to the : what about land it then blow it up?
[17:30:58] Formal Polit: or u can do that
[17:31:08] Formal Polit: altho i prefer the last idea
[17:31:11] Formal Polit: land and blow up lol
[17:31:41] Hail to the : is this credonia city airport we are talking
about?
[17:31:50] Formal Polit: sure, y the hell not
[17:32:35] Hail to the : ok
[17:32:57] Hail to the : thanks ill start the rp when the server calms
down
[17:33:42] Formal Polit: np, alright
[17:50:39] Hail to the : do you want me to rp the plane entering you
airspace or just go staright to when it lands?
[17:52:56] Formal Polit: rp it all
[17:53:02] Hail to the : cool
[18:05:55] Hail to the :
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3050945#3
050945

As you can see no mention of what type of explosives to be used

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| Session Start: 14 April 2004 |
| Participants: |
| Hail to the Gloucester cheese (huzenhagen) |
| You cant sto (AU) |
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[17:03:07] You cant sto: ah.....well, dont set a bomb off then....
[17:05:13] Hail to the : HH wont HLF will
[17:05:55] You cant sto: Section III / Article III: "Evidence must be
presented to the NS world and the General Assembly, or be
available before activly pursuing a target"
[17:06:15] Hail to the : thats good
[17:06:51] You cant sto: of course it is
[17:06:55] You cant sto: for you....
[17:08:35] You cant sto: You know, I thought, "hey I can use this chat
as evidence", then I remembered, "oh yea, its all
OOC...dammit..."
[17:09:31] Hail to the : but even if you do i would counter with the
argument that i play as both HH and HLF so you cannot
dictate which i was acting as in this convo
[17:09:48] You cant sto: yep
[17:37:15] Hail to the : i can hit credonia nah na na na nah
[17:37:53] You cant sto: how?
[17:38:32] Hail to the : plane lands at credonia city airport, booom.
dont have to worry about cutoms and ive cleared it with
him
[17:39:07] You cant sto: yea? cool, link?
[17:39:22] Hail to the : havent made the thread yet
[17:39:29] You cant sto: ah
[17:45:34] You cant sto: let me know the link when you post it
[17:45:53] Hail to the : im typing it now
[17:59:32] You cant sto: Hehehe, there are now officially 20 nations
(medium to large sized) nations in Concordia...already,
this alliance is set to be powerful....
[18:02:36] Hail to the : cool
[18:03:01] You cant sto: well, not for you if you consider it to be a
danger to ye
[18:05:53] Hail to the :
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3050945#3
050945
[18:08:08] You cant sto: holy crap? a nuke?


Notice he says it is ooc just before i give him the link to the thread.

In summary you are both godmodding

This man makes perfect sense.

AU = cheating godmodder

Godmod. Clearly.

Godmod. Clearly.

Has credonia been on recently or is he keeeping a low profile?

I have already admitted to Holy Panooly that perhaps I went a bit far when I said that I gave him evidence, so theres no real point in calling me a godmodder any more. ;)

As for Credonia, I did tell him that he should really continue the RP, but I left it up to him, considering I dont actually control him.

And he hasnt been on Nationstates that much lately that I know of, so....

I know Ive been distracted by a few RL life stuff and a few other big RPs, so I havent gotten around to posting in some of my other RPs that I was in (2 that I can remember of).

TAG


OOC:once again Credonia godmods his way through NS..........if it doesn't please him, involve attacking a smaller nation with his swarms of dumbass allies, show how great his nation is blah blah blah then he ignores it :roll:

I have already admitted to Holy Panooly that perhaps I went a bit far when I said that I gave him evidence, so theres no real point in calling me a godmodder any more. ;)

As for Credonia, I did tell him that he should really continue the RP, but I left it up to him, considering I dont actually control him.

And he hasnt been on Nationstates that much lately that I know of, so....

I know Ive been distracted by a few RL life stuff and a few other big RPs, so I havent gotten around to posting in some of my other RPs that I was in (2 that I can remember of).

No no, you're just a bad player - We wouldn't have this problem if you didn't open your damn mouth...

AU, you should have keep your mouth shut to Creddy, especially about the OOC stuff...

As an ally of Credonia, I have to say that its a pretty low way of RP. Still, Credonia should probably take it although, I gotta say the counter-attacks ain't gonna be pretty.

By the way, how exactally are you gonna detonate the thing? Im thinking that you can't fit someone inside the cargo hold (would be pretty suspicious) and then the thing would have to go through customs before your terrorists actually got their bomb back so they can detonate it.

The HLF never got the chance of roleplaying the part of detonation.

I know, but seeing that Credonia won't be RP this, I would've liked to know how you would've done it.

Credonia is lying when he says to RP this in the future. This RP has gone to hell because he can't take losses. And while I'm at it, AU can't take losses either, since he doesn't give a f-ck about my roleplays with him.

We should go to war against Credonia. WIth NO chance of Diplomacy

We should go to war against Credonia. WIth NO chance of Diplomacy


no wonder why i never accepted u back as an ally ;-) (i learn from my mistake, and making a sniveling little weasel of a nation like you my ally in the first place was my mistake)

Zvarinograd wrote:
At best? Yes, but it's very unlikely. He's been the 'target' of terror acts for a while now, it'll be stupid if he isn't alert.

However, you have no right as to what Credonia ignores. A player has all the right to ignore whatever he wants, even if it's wrong. If he won't roleplay with you then don't push it, it'll only make it worse.


Zvar points it out plainly. No where in the terms and agreements does it say every nation MUST acknowledge attacks that are RP'd correctly.

This is a free-form site, anything can be RP'd and anyone can ignore anything with no basis given. It's their right, what you dont have the right to do is harrass the player doing the ignoring with threads like this.

This is blatant harrasment to get Credonia to change his mind, it's wrong and just goes to prove that the people claiming 'maturity' are actually the immature and crying because something isnt going their way.

So what he doesnt want his nation to be attacked, alot of people dont. If it was you on the recieving end of a multi-megaton nuclear terrorist attack WOULD YOU accept it?

Think about that before you label the unfair playing tags.

</ooc rant>

Because of this, im ignoring this RP with the additional basis that i NEVER authorized a nuke.

Sad. Pathetic. Stupid. Inane.

Those words manage to describe Credonias personality in a splendid way.

Credonia is lying when he says to RP this in the future. This RP has gone to hell because he can't take losses. And while I'm at it, AU can't take losses either, since he doesn't give a f-ck about my roleplays with him.

HP, you are pathetic. I already said that I havent been able to get around to all of my RPs. Actually, your thread where your rebels are attacking my base, that was an interesting RP, and I was having fun until you decided to stop RP because I was an apparent godmodder for RPing my part of having standard security.

I told you on msn that I was planning to have a security stuffup but you wouldnt accept it. Point is HP, all you care about is winning, and you are unwilling to RP the story as it happens. Dont forget that Nationstates isnt all about winning, and it is in fact about the story that leads to a "destination".

Point again: HP, because all you want to do is win, all you do is when the RP doesnt go the same way you want it to, you automatically chuck a OOC hissy fit instead of going along with the RP and seeing where it was going. HLF is exactly the same.

Example 1: RP with Holy Panooly:
The Events So Far:
- Holy Panooly rebels disguised as Inspectors visit AU base
- AU Base security obviously check details and do relevant security measures
- Because so far it looks like HP rebels / inspectors couldnt get in, HP calls AU a godmod and a bad RPer

What Could have Happened:
- Holy Panooly rebels disguised as Inspectors visit AU base
- AU Base security obviously check details and do relevant security measures
- HP continues to RP depite the fact that it doesnt look like his rebels are going to get in.
- AU base security does a stuff up, and HP rebels can get in...


Example 2: RP with HLF:
What Happened:
- HLF tries to send plane in to set off bomb
- Credonian security turns plane away for security measures
- HLF and friends call Credonia a godmodder for not RPing the way they had predicted...

What Could Have Happened:
- HLF tries to send plane in to set off bomb
- Credonian security turns plane away for security measures
-A) HLF RPs the plane sprialling into the airport because of unwillingness to comply with security
-B) HLF follows security measures and continues to RP


Point is, you both are unwilling to finish a RP as soon as it looks like you are losing, and as soon as it looks like you are losing, you instantly resort to OOC insults, which only shows an inability to RP.

OK, I accept that perhaps that the intelligence should not be accepted because that would have been a godmod. Nobody's disputing that anymore. Thing is, Credonia can turn any damn plane he want away, even if his reason because planes damage the tarmac on the runway. I dont see any reason why he HAS to RP with you anymore anyway, considering all the OOC insults you have posted just because you cant get your way.

A TIP FOR THE FUTURE: FINISH THE GODDAMN RP YOU HAVE STARTED! It doesnt matter if your terrorists dont get into a nation, and it doesnt matter if you cant successuffly infiltrate a base. But if you continue the RP instead of resorting to insults when you dont get your way, you may actually find that the RP does make an interesting story, or better still for you, the results can be in your favour.

PS: This is Austar Union here under my puppets name...

yeah, you never authorised a nuke specificly. Look at the transcript, you authorised explosives and just because those explosives happen to come in the nuclear variety. I was carefull not mention a specific type of explosives so you could not say that. The attack was legitimate under the terms you agreed to.

id doesnt fuckin matter, i wouldnt have RP'd a nuke anyway, and you know it, which is why u TRIED to get it in there the way you did. And i dont HAVE to RP it if i dont want to and im not going to.

Austar, after reading HP's thread, I can only conclude you left out a vital piece of text. You clearly said that you would send the inspectors away, but it's quite easy to say after everything happened; "If he had done this, that would have happened for sure" kind of things. I don't approve the way he stopped but AU it's a bit naive of you to talk your way out of this.

Credonia, although I dislike swearing it's pretty pathetic to come up with such an excuse for not having to suffer from a nuclear attack. I hoped enjoying to read a terrorist RP but it seems all my hope was in vain.

Austar, after reading HP's thread, I can only conclude you left out a vital piece of text. You clearly said that you would send the inspectors away, but it's quite easy to say after everything happened; "If he had done this, that would have happened for sure" kind of things. I don't approve the way he stopped but AU it's a bit naive of you to talk your way out of this.

Credonia, although I dislike swearing it's pretty pathetic to come up with such an excuse for not having to suffer from a nuclear attack. I hoped enjoying to read a terrorist RP but it seems all my hope was in vain.

Actually, where "I" said that his inspectors would be turned back, that was in fact my IC security talking. They had not in fact sent them back yet, and so anything could have happened. Of course my security will say that his inspectors will be sent back, but one can not predict the events of the future :roll: :roll: So no, I did not once OOC say that HPs inspectors would be sent back. When I said it, it was IC, and so is perfectly legal anyway, considering that I was nice enough to plan his infiltration as successful anyway :roll: :roll: Too bad he was unwilling to actually continue the RP and watch the events unfold... :roll: :roll:

If the inspectors weren't able to hear it, you should have said so. It prevents misunderstandings if people make it clear how, why, where and when something happens or is being said.

OCC: Sorry about this but, Austar check your TGs.

OOC: Screw it. I'm not reading the past few posts. There's no need. This thread, in total, is a bunch of bullshit. As a nuetral observer, hell, I even leaned in Credonia's favor originally, but as a neutral observer, this attack is totally legal.

First off, I think it's a crock of shit to get permission and all that before attacking. I'm supposed to go to someone and ask them if I can nuke them? Of course, their going to say no. What do you expect? Even good rpers, such as Credonia and AU (well, my opinion) wouldn't go with that. Obviously, they haven't.

And being allowed to ignore something, whether you have good reason or not? "Well, your invading me, and you'd win, and you have good reason and thereby my allies won't support me. I ignore you. Wait, first I nuke your ass, then I ignore you!" Welp, that's what doing what your doing means Credonia. You can't allow blatant ignoring in one case, but elsewhere force people to rp. Fascist White States didn't need to panic...he coulda simply ignored the attack my AMF.

Secondly, in this case, Credonia did give permission for the strike. He said that an airplane full of explosives could land, and then detonate. He never asked what type of explosives, but that doesn't matter. The fact is he said a plane full of explosives could land. He never asked what type of explosives, he didn't care, but he said it could land. I call a nuclear bomb explosives, I'm not sure about you. And thereby, Credonia said he could do it. It's just now that Credonia realizes it's a nuke, and that Credonia realizes he doesn't wanna lose his capital city, that he is refusing to accept the assault.

Welp, I'm sure there are 100000 holes you guys can poke in my argument, and I'm sure their all good points. But that's just the idea I had. And please, no one take this personally, especially not you Credonia, I still have the same respect for ya, and still see you as a good rper. I just think you have a bit of charactor loss ophobia. Most people do...hell, I do.

Of course, in this case I would rp the attack, but that's just because I LOOOVE nucler explosions. But that's just me. And, as in the words of my favorite command and conquor player of all time...

"All of your base vwil ve mine, commander..."