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Drydock expansion program

Doujin
13-04-2004, 12:56
Doujinshi Corporation will be expanding 5 of it's current drydocks to handle a ship the size of the Doujin. These docks currently are able to handle the Leviathon, which is the second biggest ship produced by Doujinshi Corporation.

Also, Doujinshi Corporation is looking for places to construct shipyards. If your nation is interested, please reply as soon as possible.
Jordaxia
13-04-2004, 13:04
hey. I posted on, your other thread that I was.
Yes I am very interested.
Dumpsterdam
13-04-2004, 13:04
We are willing to let you build a drydock, prices and the like can be negotiated.
Falastur
13-04-2004, 13:06
Falastur is most interested in establishing a Doujinshi Corp shipyard in our country. It should be beneficial to both of us, and we hope you accept our offer.
Jordaxia
13-04-2004, 13:06
If you are wishing to build several docks on Jordaxian soil, then I am sure I can let the cost of a few sites slip through the net.
13-04-2004, 13:08
The nation of Pure Evil wishes to voice it objection to the construction of these new drydocks. There is NO need for these docks other than to incite a world wide arms race to combat these now mass produced Doujin class ship.

Please stop the construction fo these docks now or more serious action may be used by Pure Evil.
Jordaxia
13-04-2004, 13:11
mass produced. Doujin!
haha.
No I would like drydocks produced because I like to buy most/all naval equipment from him, and having drydocks next door might help. That's why I'm willing to provide a few for free.
Dumpsterdam
13-04-2004, 13:11
You have no right, to prevent any of us from letting Doujin build his drydocks on our soil. As the word says...OUR soil.
Starblaydia
13-04-2004, 13:13
The Lord-Protector of Starblaydia would welcome the construction in Starblaydi territory of a shipyard to hold such impressive craft as the Doujinshi Corporation produces.

We are confident our security arrangements will be adequate for this shipyard, as well as transport links for supplies and shipping.

Howard Jiminez
Domestic Minister
Protectorate of Starblaydia
Jordaxia
13-04-2004, 13:28
The Jordaxian isles are the perfect place for the construction of docks. They can be placed almost anywhere, and the amount of unpopulated isles is large, as most of my people stay concentrated in the inner cluster of isles, leaving the outer ones home to a few radar bases, and SAM sites.
Needless to say, over the years a few of these sites have been left, and the essential workings of the establishment remain intact. With a little work you could expand on them fairly easily, have a fully operational radar facility and SAM sites, all complimentary of the Jordaxian comm. Corps.
13-04-2004, 13:29
Once again Pure Evil voices it's concern over these new drydocks both in Doujin and overseas.

They are a concern becuase they spread the us of these weapons over a much larger area of the world. We feel that this could learn to a global arms race that would lead to terrible civilian deaths and suffering.

Please reconsider your action.

We reserve the right to luanch pre-emptive strights on ANY doujin owned facility without notice or warning.
Jordaxia
13-04-2004, 13:32
Doujin is a semi-pacisfist nation. Though Jordaxia is not a huge nation, we guard the interests of those on our isles very carefully. If Doujin chooses to set up on my isles, I will guarantee as much protection as I can give.
as well as every third dock built free. (deal of the century?)
I already buy doujin technology anyway. What difference does it make where it is built?
13-04-2004, 13:35
Doujin is a semi-pacisfist nation. Though Jordaxia is not a huge nation, we guard the interests of those on our isles very carefully. If Doujin chooses to set up on my isles, I will guarantee as much protection as I can give.
as well as every third dock built free. (deal of the century?)
I already buy doujin technology anyway. What difference does it make where it is built?

The differnce is the these new drydocks will allow a previously unheard of number of ships to be built at once. 5 Ships can be taken down easily but 15 is another story.
Dumpsterdam
13-04-2004, 13:36
Do I have to see that as....threat, PE?
13-04-2004, 13:41
Do I have to see that as....threat, PE?

See that im anyway you like.

The fact remains that PE reserves the right to launch a pre-emptive strikes on Doujin Facilities without warning or notice.
Jordaxia
13-04-2004, 13:45
The threatening behavior is causing exactly the same instability as you believe the Doujin shipyards will. Except that firing missiles at them will cause a huge war, whereas building ships brings a very small possibility of an arms race. Especially when the cost of one Doujin would run into the trillions, no nation can afford a Doujin arms race.
Dumpsterdam
13-04-2004, 13:45
Great...so by making a decision for my country, you give yourself the right to attack me?

Wats next? World domination?
13-04-2004, 13:51
We have no goals even remotely related to world domination.

OOC: Jordaxia if Doujin can afford to build these ships nations over 3.5x as large as him and easily afford an arms race.
Doujin
13-04-2004, 14:16
Pure Evil, you are in the Aerospace business. I am in the maritime business. Your threats have been noted, and also have been noted by the UnAPS and OMP. Just because I build drydocks to handle a ship the size of a Doujin, doesn't mean I will be mass producing Doujin Class ships..
Jordaxia
13-04-2004, 14:17
Doujin runs a storefront, and only has 1 Doujin. He also is the only one who might distribute them, as he may decide against it.
If you run a storefront, I would assume you could put the money earned into more projects.
13-04-2004, 14:25
Pure Evil, you are in the Aerospace business. I am in the maritime business. Your threats have been noted, and also have been noted by the UnAPS and OMP. Just because I build drydocks to handle a ship the size of a Doujin, doesn't mean I will be mass producing Doujin Class ships..

If you goal is not to mass produce this ship why do you wish to build so many drydocks that can build these ships?
Doujin
13-04-2004, 14:26
I have other ships that need drydocks this large.
Huzen Hagen
13-04-2004, 14:28
plus otherwise it can only be repaired in one place bit of a bitch if you were battle damaged thousands of miles from the home port
Jordaxia
13-04-2004, 14:28
Have you reached a decision regarding placing yet?

I know it will probably take a while but I am impatient. + I want to know who you favour so I can make a better counter offer.
13-04-2004, 14:29
I have other ships that need drydocks this large.

Please give an example? And it doesn't matter what the actual class of ship is, they in our mind will still start an arms race.
Doujin
13-04-2004, 14:35
Jordaxia, do you have a map?
Doujin
13-04-2004, 14:36
Pure Evil, an arms race has already started. People are scrambling to build ships to counter the Doujin. My company is even designing one for someone else as a counter for the Doujin. You are a bit behind on the times, my friend.
13-04-2004, 14:38
Pure Evil, an arms race has already started. People are scrambling to build ships to counter the Doujin. My company is even designing one for someone else as a counter for the Doujin. You are a bit behind on the times, my friend.

But the arms race has yet to hit the air and land factions. When it does world peace will be viotently broken.
Doujin
13-04-2004, 14:39
I have yet to see a naval ship affect land and air warfare.
imported_Ilek-Vaad
13-04-2004, 14:41
Once again Pure Evil voices it's concern over these new drydocks both in Doujin and overseas.

They are a concern becuase they spread the us of these weapons over a much larger area of the world. We feel that this could learn to a global arms race that would lead to terrible civilian deaths and suffering.

Please reconsider your action.

We reserve the right to luanch pre-emptive strights on ANY doujin owned facility without notice or warning.

Ilek-Vaad would like to offer to allow Doujin to build a dry dock along our eastern coast. We also condemn Pure Evil for their ignorant stance. I have never seen Pure Evil threaten the builders of nuclear weapons, which are mass produced in HUNDREDS of nations and even sold to questionable nations. Doujin's ship building is responsible and legal. Doujin has a right to mass produce it's ships if they like. Pure Evil's stance is ill-informed, hypocritical and untenable. If Pure Evil wants to be seen as a nation that promotes peace they should be protesting the nations that sell chemical weapons, biological weapons, nuclear weapons and even slaves to other nations to use in aggressive an aggressive manner.

We will stand by Doujin if Pure Evil attempts to damage Doujin, or any of it's holdings.

Slaine Ilek
Representative to the UnAPS, Ilek-Vaad
Jordaxia
13-04-2004, 14:41
Not yet, but the basic description is:
Lots and lots of islands. At least into the couple of hundreds.
The main civ poplulace lives in the center, and North-West, though pretty much all the islands are uninhabited. Largely, the islands are small, but there are about 30, sized well enough for docks, and installations. Highest density of active bases in the North, highest density unactive
(but easily reparable bases in the South, and far Eastern. These are also where numerous of the larger isles are. (about 12 of them. You would pay for 9 if you built 12 though.)) Also, because of the density, and shape of the islands there, there are numerous areas where radar can't see so well. (Like the horseshoe isle i mentioned in the other thread.
Deepwater access is fairly high, so maneouvering large ships (including a Doujin class) will be difficult, but not threatening to the safety of the ship.
13-04-2004, 14:44
I have yet to see a naval ship affect land and air warfare.

U-Boats of ww2. Flighting boats where invented to fight the german u-boats during ww2.

Aircraft carrier. Aircraft could now be launched in the middle of the ocean effectivaly ending any close qaurter combat between fleets. Also Land target previously free from air attack where now vulnerable.

Troop landing ships. Now the coast had to be protected island no longer safe.
Doujin
13-04-2004, 14:48
That isn't exactly land and ground warfare :P
Starblaydia
13-04-2004, 14:53
Jordaxia, do you have a map?

OOC: I'd like to jump in here, purely becuase... well, i'd like to. The rest of my region tends not to RP, so you'd be safe from them...

IC: Map of Starblaydia (http://www.starblaydestudios.co.uk/Images/StarblaydiaMap.gif)

Set in the North-Western corner of the Empire of Literotica, Starblydia can provide a reasonably remote and secure location for any facility. It's captial city, Jhanna (largest purple dot) overlooks the bay and Starblaydi Straights, across which lie the mainland of Literotica and its peace-loving nations.

Your facility could be placed in any of the deepwater ports, or islands in the Straights and have full Starblaydi Defence Net coverage, consisting of many anti-air ships and F15C Air Superiority Jet Fighters, covered by extremely well trained radar and anti-air site facilites.

We hope you will consider our application further.
WestUkraine
13-04-2004, 14:53
Pure Evil, your threats are without merit. Westukraine will support Doujin if Pure Evil makes any strike on Doujinshi holdings.
13-04-2004, 14:53
That isn't exactly land and ground warfare :P

Well the air part is gone.

To an extent it is. Japan WW2. If it wasn't for the aircraft carrier the main islands of japan would be free from the risk of attack from the air so everything could be more relaxed with more of the war effort going directly into attack and almost nothing in defense.

Before the invention of long range naval guns troops onshore would have no help from the navy. But now if close enough to the coast they can call in fire from naval guns to attack enemy position.

There you go. It's all interconnected.
Doujin
13-04-2004, 14:54
It's been that way for awhile, Pure Evil.
13-04-2004, 14:57
It's been that way for awhile, Pure Evil.

So what your point?

At first you claim that it's not related "I have yet to see a naval ship affect land and air warfare." But now you say it is connected.

What side are you taking?
Doujin
13-04-2004, 15:07
You are in the Aerospace business, as you have previously announced. A new plane can cause an arms race as well, could it not? I mean, theoretically, you are worried about one ship causing an arms race.. whereas a plane could do the same thing. It's a 'moot' point. They are connected, in a way - yes. Naval ships help.. a lot.. they always have.. they always will. You won't be able to stop larger people, so you are going to try and stop the small guy.. is that it?
Falastur
13-04-2004, 15:12
That isn't exactly land and ground warfare :P

By "ground" you mean "air", right?
Doujin
13-04-2004, 15:13
:oops:
Iuthia
13-04-2004, 15:18
We would like to note that Iuthia highly objects to any military action against Doujin. Your motive doesn't justify the threats you are sending him and as such we are prepared to defend our ally should your nation seek to harm their peoples over this affair.

And for what? Because you don't like this new technology? Why don't you go bother other nations that proliferate nuclear weapons, selling them to any nation with the cash...

If you have a legitimate reason to dislike Doujin don't hide it behind this joke of an excuse... Doujin is currently helping an ally defend their territory from an violent aggressor and you would tell him "Don't build up defence" you warn him that it may start an arms race, despite the fact that some nations in the world are stock piling tens of thousands of high yield nuclear weapons, despite the fact that dozons of nations recently assisted in the research of a gigaton yield nuclear weapon?

So we suggest you back down from your threats... we are prepared to defend our ally against such agression.

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Doujin
13-04-2004, 15:19
Thank you for your support, Iuthia. As always, it is most graciously welcome.
Jordaxia
13-04-2004, 15:22
Anyway. If you don't like it, adapt. New technology such as this is supposed to reinvent the wheel. (I know this is an old defense but)
Did the Germans complain about the dreadnought when it was built?
No, they built their own, and got used to it. It didn't matter that it made every other battleship in the world obsolete, it was done. You should get used to it being there.
Scandavian States
13-04-2004, 16:06
We'd like to note that unless Doujin is speaking of another nation, the ship that Doujinshi Corp is designing is for the Scandavian Imperial Navy, and we're an ally of Doujin. Furthermore, we're allowing Doujin to build shipyards in all of our coastal cities. To threaten Doujin and Doujinshi Corp interests is to threaten the Imperium, and we don't hold well with upstarts such as your nation, Pure Evil.
Jordaxia
13-04-2004, 16:08
If Doujin decides to build in my nation, that's seconded Scandinavian.
Mintar
14-04-2004, 05:52
We fully stand with Doujin here, Pure Evil. Your threats are unjustified and, indeed, if you intend to carry them out they are nothing more than a mask for imperialism.
The Zoogie People
14-04-2004, 18:12
Zoogiedom would be interested in a Doujinshi-built shipyard in its Three Islands region. Although we already have our own shipyards, commerce benefits us both and we have nothing to handle something the size of the Doujin - yet.
Durtistan
14-04-2004, 18:37
<PNC - Protectorate News Channel - boradcast of a press conference held by Edmund Warspite, the Lord Protector of Durtistan>

Warspite:...with the Zoogie People, hoping that this conference will lead to futher diplomatic exchanges in the future with this and many other nations. Now. Any questions?

Several reporters raise their hands. Warspite singles one out.

Warspite:You.

Reporter: Hello, Sir, I'm Peter Hanratty of the PNC. Will the Protectorate be seeking to host the dry dock facilities that Doujin is suggesting? And how do you characterise the response of Pure Evil?

Warspite looks confused for a moment, wondering what this has to do with the Zoogie Air Conference, and then sighs.

Warspite: Peter, I've said this before. If Doujin wanted to build something in Durtistan we would negotiate and make a deal. The Office of the Lord Protector doesn't believe in stiffling the opportunities for trade and industrial relations that might crop up from time to time, we do not believe in denying the people of Durtistan the chance to compete in the international industrial arena. However, Doujin has not approached us and at the moment we are not seeking to award government contracts to foreign countries. This is a matter for business to attend to.

As for the comments of Pure Evil...look, Peter, if that's how the nation feels then that's how it feels. Durtistan will resist aggression directed against Durtistan and will condemn any act that infringes on a nation's right to trade and develop in a responsible manner. Doujin is, as I understand it, a nation of maritime experts. Pure Evil suggesting that they cannot expand their industrial presence to other countries is frankly in opposition to the nature of business but while they continue to protest in a peaceful manner there is nothing we can, or should, do about it.

Are there any other questions?

<And we cut to commercial>
The Island States
15-04-2004, 04:44
We will allow our ally Doujin to build as many of these shipyards in our country has he wishes to (as long as he doesn't build on top of existing infrastructure). If Pure Evil, or any nation, attacks these facilities, we will interpret that attack as an attack on The Island States, warranting an immediate response by our military forces.
15-04-2004, 05:37
OOC: Iuthia a gigaton nuke is a blatent godmod. The 100megaton nuke that the soviets had was so powerful that if they had exploded it at full power world radiation levels would have gone up by 25% and basically all of europe would be unihabitable. Image what a gigaton nuke would do.

IC:
Pure Evil is simple stating that it reserves the right to attack these facilities if it ever feel threatened by them. We are not looking for war or more land, we are simply looking to keep out interests safe.
Iuthia
15-04-2004, 14:19
OOC: Iuthia a gigaton nuke is a blatent godmod. The 100megaton nuke that the soviets had was so powerful that if they had exploded it at full power world radiation levels would have gone up by 25% and basically all of europe would be unihabitable. Image what a gigaton nuke would do.

OOC: That's what I thought but "meh" some guys covered the science and it's been accepted by half of this forum...

Not that thats saying much...
Doujin
15-04-2004, 14:37
OOC: NS world is 100x+++++++++++++ the size of the Earth, and it is possible to build so it isn't a blatant godmod ;)
Doujin
15-04-2004, 14:56
OOC: NS world is 100x+++++++++++++ the size of the Earth, and it is possible to build so it isn't a blatant godmod ;)
Doujin
15-04-2004, 14:56
OOC: NS world is 100x+++++++++++++ the size of the Earth, and it is possible to build so it isn't a blatant godmod ;)
The Freethinkers
27-04-2004, 01:47
Although technically possible,a 100 gig nuclear weapon would require roughly a 150-odd ton warhead and freefall mechanism and would be approximately the size of a small warship.

The radiation fallout would be catastrophic, and any nation within a few thousand miles of the blast zone would experience some radiation damage. Not a godmod per se, but still practically useless
Doujin
27-04-2004, 02:29
OOC: *surprised to see this thread*