NationStates Jolt Archive

alright crossroads, we need to redesign the chimera class, or build another ship entirely to compete with the doujin

bump :)

*S.T.U.M.P*

Ok OK... I got it...

Well to start with, lets Post all the Data on the Orginal Chimera.
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Basic Statistics:
151,210 Tonnes , 155,265 Tonnes Fully Loaded

Length
1232 Feet
Beam
191 Feet
Power plant
2 Nuclear Reactors, 4 Steam Turbines with 4 shafts totaling 350,000 Horsepower
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Three of the Five 20" guns are made up of 'Screecher' Turrets Which are:

The primary aspect of this weopon system is a 400lb Depleted Uranium Shell. The shell has a Scram-Jet Jacket built into it so, once fired from the 20" Cannon, The Scram-Jet activates allowing it to do one of two options.

#1: Using a 'Solid' Uranium Shell, The Scram-Jet Fires early, adding its speed to the speed from cannon shot, turning it into a fearsom Kinetic Energy Weapon that can easily tear into other ships.

#2 Using a 'Warhead' Half Uranium Shell, The Scram-Jet waits until the intial arch from the Cannon shot begins to derad, then fires. This will almost Double the effective range of the shot, giving the oppurtunity to Bombard targets well out of range of any conventional counter attack.
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On Anti-Missle Systems: (produced by Kazakhstania)
The KASHTAN Air Defence Gun/Missile System is intended to provide self-defence for surface ships against high precision weapons (anti-ship and anti-radar missiles, air bombs), fixed and rotary wing aircraft, as well as to engage small sea and coastal targets.

The system is developed as a modular structure comprising a command module and combat modules (from one to six, depending on ship displacement). The command module ensures IFF procedures, target acquisition and designation, and data generation for gun/missile fire.

The combat module comprises a gun/missile mount, a radar and optical control systems, a computing system, and power supply system. The integrated multi-channel control system provides simultaneous multi-target tracking in the radar and TV-optical modes. The firing turret mounts two blocks of GSh-30K six-barrel automatic guns with linkless feeding system and autonomous evaporation-type cooling system, and two SAM clusters.

The system also includes storing and reloading system to keep 32 SAMs in container-launchers in ship's under-deck spaces. Reloading time for a cluster of four SAMs does not exceed 1.5 min.

The KASHTAN system can be installed on ships with displacement greater than 400 t.
Basic Characteristics

Engagement zone range, km:
Missiles: 1.5 ... 8
Guns: 0.5 ...1.5
Altitude, m from: 5 to 4,000
Maximum target speed,: m/s 600
Kill probability: 0.96 ... 0.98
Number of targets engaged simultaneously: up to 6
Rate of gun fire, rds/min: 10,000 ... 12,000
Cartridge types: 30 mm with HE-Frag and Frag-T projectiles
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Second. The ship is Nuclear powered, Orginally it was designed with 4 Reactors, but now has just two. The "Smoke" Stack on the ship is for venting exhaust. Note, normal Nuclear Reactors have huge condensor Colums that look like "Smoke" stacks, the thing behind the Bridge is simply one of those.
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OK, now that thats done.. I think the first thing is, that its safe to say Our new ship is going to be a Tri-Huller, that IS the popular trend these days...
we'll go with a 3turret 2 turret arrangement in the middle, and a 1turret, 2 small turret Arangment On the sides... I'll do some sketches and have them up tommarow evening. M'kay?

right then, in the meantime, i'll try to get the original team together :)

right then, in the meantime, i'll try to get the
original team together :)No need! i went ahead and finished the
Battleship Myself :twisted:
So... Everyone who wants to see the new ship in ALL its GLORY!!! go here!!
http://www.geocities.com/crossroads_inc42/Stuff/battleship.html

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Basic Statistics:
251,210 Tonnes, 255,265 Tonnes Fully Loaded

Length
2176 Feet
Beam
265 Feet
Power plant/Propulsion:
4 Nuclear Reactors, 8 MATS Pods and 2 Hydro Thrusters
Max 850,000 Horsepower
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Weapon Systems:
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“Screecher Turrets”
The primary aspect of this weapon system is a 400lb Depleted Uranium
Shell. The shell has a Scram-Jet Jacket built into it so, once fired from the
20" Cannon, The Scram-Jet activates allowing it to do one of two options.

#1: Using a 'Solid' Uranium Shell, The Scram-Jet Fires early, adding its
speed to the speed from cannon shot, turning it into a fearsome Kinetic
Energy Weapon that can easily tear into other ships.

#2: Using a 'Warhead' Half Uranium Shell, The Scram-Jet waits until the
initial arch from the Cannon shot begins to derad, then fires. This will
almost Double the effective range of the shot, giving the opportunity to
Bombard targets well out of range of any conventional counter attack.
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Arsenal Multi Missile System:
The AMM system is a large sophisticated Missile system that can contain
500 missiles and 3 ICBM. The System is located under a massive
protective Dome on the prow of the ship. When activated, the dome splits
and retracts allowing the missiles to fire. The AMM system is specifically
designed for extreme long-range combat and as a first strike against
oncoming naval forces.
Mini Missile Turret System:
Designed for anti-air and anti-bomber combat. Turret mounted Missile
pods with 16 fast firing guided warhead, fires in volleys of two.
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Torpedo System

The ship is equiped with 12 quick Fiering Torpedo Tubes. 8forward facing
and 4 Rear facing.
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On Anti-Missile Systems: (produced by Kazakhstania)
The KASHTAN Air Defence Gun/Missile System is intended to provide self-
defence for surface ships against high precision weapons (anti-ship and
anti-radar missiles, air bombs), fixed and rotary wing aircraft, as well as
to engage small sea and coastal targets.

The system is developed as a modular structure comprising a command
module and combat modules (from one to six, depending on ship
displacement). The command module ensures IFF procedures, target
acquisition and designation, and data generation for gun/missile fire.

The combat module comprises a gun/missile mount; radar and optical
control systems, a computing system, and power supply system. The
integrated multi-channel control system provides simultaneous multi-
target tracking in the radar and TV-optical modes. The firing turret mounts
two blocks of GSh-30K six-barrel automatic guns with link less feeding
system and autonomous evaporation-type cooling system, and two SAM
clusters.

The system also includes storing and reloading system to keep 32 SAMs in
container-launchers in ship's under-deck spaces. Reloading time for a
cluster of four SAMs does not exceed 1.5 min.

The KASHTAN system can be installed on ships with displacement greater
than 400 t.
Basic Characteristics

Engagement zone range, km:
Missiles: 1.5 ... 8
Guns: 0.5 ...1.5
Altitude, m from: 5 to 4,000
Maximum target speed,: m/s 600
Kill probability: 0.96 ... 0.98
Number of targets engaged simultaneously: up to 6
Rate of gun fire, rds/min: 10,000 ... 12,000
Cartridge types: 30 mm with HE-Frag and Frag-T projectiles
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Addition Systems
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Mobile Aquatic Tug Submarine or
M.A.T.S.

These are basically, Immensely powerful underwater tugs attached by
rotatable gimbals to the ships hull. The ship has eight MATS that are all
independently controlled by computer. The MATS in theory could let the
Massive Edselon rotate a complete 360 in a virtual zero turning radius.
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EDIT: Special Note, These are mearly The Specs for the ship, the Edselon
has NOT Been constructed yet, currently all Crossroads Drydocks and
Naval Industries are producing Chimer Battleships.

Up the displacement. This ship is 652 metres long, so its bigger than the Leviathon (yet, the Leviathon has bigger guns and 24 of them too!) and the Leviathon is 650,000 tons.. also, your full load displacement is low compared to empty displacement.. add about more for full displacement :P

Empty: 188,640 tons
Full Load: 267,482 tons

^^ Displacement stats for the Thunder Child Class BB... so yes..

Up the displacement. This ship is 652 metres long, so its
bigger than the Leviathon (yet, the Leviathon has bigger guns and 24 of
them too!) and the Leviathon is 650,000 tons.. also, your full load
displacement is low compared to empty displacement.. add about more
for full displacement :P Well.. Im new at designing Super
Battleships! I appricate the input... Really, I'll I do is draw pretty pictures
:D And hey.. Where they pretty Pictures? :wink:

Also, I'd like to point out that your MATS can't do what they say they can do, it would in essence break apart the hull.. (at least, to my understanding..) ; sort of the reason why the Doujin takes so long to turn, if we did a crash stop / turn it would probably split her in two.. (at least, to my understanding :P)

Also, I'd like to point out that your MATS can't do what they say they can do, it would in essence break apart the hull.. (at least, to my understanding..) ; sort of the reason why the Doujin takes so long to turn, if we did a crash stop / turn it would probably split her in two.. (at least, to my understanding :P)See, this is why its good to have people
that know more about these things then you!! (hugs Doujin) Although... I
WOULD Expect the MATS to vastly improve in stearing and maneuvering,
Yes yes? And another thing, The Edselon will have 9, 20" Turrets, and you
say the Levithan has 24 turrets?

I think it's about darn time to have a global maritime conference.... specifically aimed at reducing vessel tonnage...

24 guns* 6 quad turrets ~_~ You have 3 more guns than I do and I have the smaller ship :P

Eridania: I had a maritime conference weeks ago, resulted in the creating of the Organization of Maritime Powers ;)

Ah, thanks for clearing that up Doujin,
Also, Bymped for TAR, hes the one who wanted this thing anyways :)

*dances rings around doujin*


sw33t!, looks like someone had a bit of inspiration, eh? :D

and by the way, who will be able to build these? :)

*dances rings around doujin*


sw33t!, looks like someone had a bit of inspiration, eh? :D Hey now, your not planing on using this Against Doujin are you? I thought you just wanted a super Battleship to compete with his in terms of overl all size (not that the Edselon actually does trhat..its a heck'uva lot sm,aller than the Doujin)

As for construction... The ship designs are being reviewed by Crossroads Engineers, on the 17th, when I complete the 36 Chimera that have been orderd from me, I'll begin construction on an Edselon prototype for test purposes.

The MATS are completely capable of doing what they say.....as long as the ship is at 'All Stop' and is not moving forward/backward.
No vessel that size could make a hard bank in motion(at least not with any metal used today in ship building).
You could however, stop main engines fire up MATS on one side for a sea version of a 'rockford spin' the MATS would give it a frightening ability to come about for its size, for ITS size.
Crossroads Inc, wonderful pic, absolutly great.
And does Erinin get a Edselon, like it recieved a Chimera.
Or are we out of luck on this one?

Hey thanks for the kind words on the MATS system, I thought it was an excellant idea.

As for the Ship, Well, like I said its just in the planing and testing stages, I'll have to think about who or if I;d let buy this...

***News Release***

Today the keel was laid for the first Edselon Super Command Battleship. Over half of all resources of the Crossroads Shipyards will be devoted toward the construction of this new Naval Force