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Kazakhstania's primary force projection tool in modern warfare is Airborne Warfare. This is not Naval Landings. This is not moving a Huge Armoured from an allies borders. This is dropping fine young men from perfectly good aircraft on top of the enemy.

The ability to drop over 30,000 Specially Trained Paratroopers and their tanks and AFV's on in front, behind, to the right or left or on top of the enemy has always been a great pride in Kazakhstania's armed forces, and the 'Airborne' Corps, almost the Marines of the Sky is the strongest and best equipped Kazakhstanian Unit.

We would love to hold demonstrations of our ability to do this, and share our doctrines and technology with others. Therefore, in Kennel AFB in Atryau we are holding an Airborne Convention. Feel free to drop in and share any technology, thoughts and views with our guys.

As I'm holding an aerial warfare convention as well, perhaps to simplify things you can just hold it there? Or somehow broadcast it to us? Your delegates are attending as well...but I'm interested in this tech, hope they give more information on it.

As I'm holding an aerial warfare convention as well, perhaps to simplify things you can just hold it there? Or somehow broadcast it to us? Your delegates are attending as well...but I'm interested in this tech, hope they give more information on it.

wow... you should really try looking through my storefront:

http://www.bateshome.com/jordan/rsig1.jpg (http://www.bateshome.com/jordan/rmtdex.htm)

Plane that can carry 8000 troops:
http://www.bateshome.com/jordan/bwb.gif (http://www.bateshome.com/jordan/rt1707.htm)

Air-droppable Cargo Container:
http://www.bateshome.com/jordan/db218.jpg (http://www.bateshome.com/jordan/dropbox.htm)

Big transport you can land anywhere:
http://www.bateshome.com/jordan/jnvtoloff.jpg (http://www.bateshome.com/jordan/rt2207.htm)

That should get you started. Look on my storefront to see the other stuff.

http://www.bateshome.com/jordan/rsig1.jpg (http://www.bateshome.com/jordan/rmtdex.htm)
http://www.bateshome.com/jordan/rsig5.jpg (http://www.bateshome.com/jordan/factbook.htm)

Impressive airborne capabilities there. Since the LRRA has always been geared to fight massive armored assaults from Dark Terror, paratroopers without much heavy armor would definately cause a problem.

The LRRA has decent airborne capability, but it is mainly helicopter-borne. Airborne infantry divisions have been created, but have seen little action. Another problem is the qualities of LRR transport aircraft, which are designed to land on rocks in -100F on a downhill slope in a 90 knot crosswind and zero visibility, not to sneak into enemy airspace at high speed.

But we would be interested in attending this airborne warfare convention.

The 2nd airborne infantry division will attend, if you let them. They are equipped with C-135 tactical STOL transports, Sabre light tanks, and John Henry 6x6 and 8x8 IFV/APCs.

We here at Kazakhstania have always been about power projection, and as we share borders with our allies an our enemies share borders with theirs, we tend to use paratroopers a lot.

Our Marine core is intergrated with the Navy, which is useful, but it is sadly lacking a decent navy and huge transport numbers to invade with. This limits us to around a couple of thousand troops at a time.

Also, our rather good Air Force is the perfect power projection tool.

As for you Raysia, I am sad to see your main nation got deleted. I plan to donate some money to your cause, just to get you away from unaware n00b bashers. I may be interested in your transports, but we are more than well enough equipped with KN-12's, C-145's and UE's brilliant EA-80 transport.

LRR, DT is all about advancing, therefore we developed the so called "Airborne Envelopment" Doctrine, which calls for his armour to be diverted to defence, which it aint suited for. Now he is gone, we can perfect other doctrines too.

Though DPUO does have an airborne capability, we prefer the use of helicopters to allow vertical envelopment of the enemy. Unfortunately, transport aircraft of the sizes shown are generally easy prey for a good air-defence system. In addition, helicopters such as the Mi-26 can lift a respectable payload (2 BMD-3s/1BMP-3) without the need for prepared airfields. The General Staff held a seminar on this topic some weeks ago, and it was concluded that fixed-wing strategic airflifting aircraft were of use only for transport into friendly areas, rather than airmobility into the enemy's rear. It was also concluded that, although paratroop units would be a desirable bonus, it would also be an unnecessary drain on resources, since in many cases paratroopers were too lightly-armed to hold key positions in the face of determined attack, especially by enemy armour or aircraft to back up infantry. We would appreciated opinions on this matter from other participants; thanks for your time.

LRR, DT is all about advancing, therefore we developed the so called "Airborne Envelopment" Doctrine, which calls for his armour to be diverted to defence, which it aint suited for. Now he is gone, we can perfect other doctrines too.

Our tactic for dealing with DT was to use LRR's forested and mountainous landscape to blunt his advance. While his GT-1 and -2 "Destroyer" MBTs and heavy armored vehicles are trying to advance across forests and forest roads, the LRRA would hit his tanks with howitzer and mortar fire, as well as ATGMs fired from the very many small ATGM carriers in LRRA use. A good thing about the Wiesel, which is the primary LRRA ATGM carrier is that it can be transported internally by helicopters, and be air-dropped. You can actually fit two in a Sea Stallion, and two can fit in the new HC3 being adopted by the army. These little tanks have a low profile, and can manouver inside forests and in mountainous areas very well. They would pour ATGMs into DT armor, along with infantry (we actually have anti-tank divisions) and modified APCs of the M113 and John Henry variety. MBTs would engage the DT forces at every turn, using their very heavy duty AT cannons (nothing below 120mm) to blow up DT tanks. Attack helicopters and CAS jets would pound DT from the air. This, however, is all provided that he even gets past the LRRN with a signifigant portion of his forces, and doesn't get torn up on the coastal plain, where MBTs and motor rifle divisions would be most numerous.

The LRRA is so mechanized because LRR defensive doctrine has always emphasized a flexible armored contingent of MBTs, APCs, and ATGM carriers that could both fight in massive armored battles and snipe armored columns.

The LRRA has helicopter cavalry divisions, used to cart around infantry and light armor. They use the Merlin HC3 and Griffon, as well as a few Mi-26s. The good thing about helicopters is that they can get to areas inaccessable to ground teams. The helicopter cavalry will always have a place in the LRRA.

Still, almost all modern NS armies worth something, to my knowledge, have signifigant armored contingents.

The LRRA would probably do ok against paratroopers. The LRRAF would definately thin their ranks. The large number of forests in LRR would rule out large-scale jumps in those areas, and to muck around in the forests would be mucking around with the anti-tank and light infantry divisions.

A drop in flatter, more open terrain where the paratroopers could fight the bulk of LRRA heavy armor might go better, provided the paratroops have good anti-tank capability. MBTs are only used in small numbers in the LRRA. If someone manages to airdrop any kind of medium armor, the battle would probably go somewhat smoother for the invaders.

Not that they wouldn't get beat badly in the end. :P

But really, 30,000 paratroopers could only do so much against an army put on full alert and with a good blend of armor, infantry, and artillery. Air assault is best used in support of a sea invasion, because unless you have a small MBT and a lot of transports, paratroopers don't stand much of a chance against an army on its own turf.

As you can guess, vertical envelopment is only used a bit in the LRRA. Paratroopers have a long time when they are fair game for flak and small arms, and helicopters are veunerable to the same ground weapons, and other helicopters, as well as portable SAMs.

LRR, DT is all about advancing, therefore we developed the so called "Airborne Envelopment" Doctrine, which calls for his armour to be diverted to defence, which it aint suited for. Now he is gone, we can perfect other doctrines too.

Our tactic for dealing with DT was to use LRR's forested and mountainous landscape to blunt his advance. While his GT-1 and -2 "Destroyer" MBTs and heavy armored vehicles are trying to advance across forests and forest roads, the LRRA would hit his tanks with howitzer and mortar fire, as well as ATGMs fired from the very many small ATGM carriers in LRRA use. A good thing about the Wiesel, which is the primary LRRA ATGM carrier is that it can be transported internally by helicopters, and be air-dropped. You can actually fit two in a Sea Stallion, and two can fit in the new HC3 being adopted by the army. These little tanks have a low profile, and can manouver inside forests and in mountainous areas very well. They would pour ATGMs into DT armor, along with infantry (we actually have anti-tank divisions) and modified APCs of the M113 and John Henry variety. MBTs would engage the DT forces at every turn, using their very heavy duty AT cannons (nothing below 120mm) to blow up DT tanks. Attack helicopters and CAS jets would pound DT from the air. This, however, is all provided that he even gets past the LRRN with a signifigant portion of his forces, and doesn't get torn up on the coastal plain, where MBTs and motor rifle divisions would be most numerous.

The LRRA is so mechanized because LRR defensive doctrine has always emphasized a flexible armored contingent of MBTs, APCs, and ATGM carriers that could both fight in massive armored battles and snipe armored columns.

The LRRA has helicopter cavalry divisions, used to cart around infantry and light armor. They use the Merlin HC3 and Griffon, as well as a few Mi-26s. The good thing about helicopters is that they can get to areas inaccessable to ground teams. The helicopter cavalry will always have a place in the LRRA.

Still, almost all modern NS armies worth something, to my knowledge, have signifigant armored contingents.

The LRRA would probably do ok against paratroopers. The LRRAF would definately thin their ranks. The large number of forests in LRR would rule out large-scale jumps in those areas, and to muck around in the forests would be mucking around with the anti-tank and light infantry divisions.

A drop in flatter, more open terrain where the paratroopers could fight the bulk of LRRA heavy armor might go better, provided the paratroops have good anti-tank capability. MBTs are only used in small numbers in the LRRA. If someone manages to airdrop any kind of medium armor, the battle would probably go somewhat smoother for the invaders.

Not that they wouldn't get beat badly in the end. :P

But really, 30,000 paratroopers could only do so much against an army put on full alert and with a good blend of armor, infantry, and artillery. Air assault is best used in support of a sea invasion, because unless you have a small MBT and a lot of transports, paratroopers don't stand much of a chance against an army on its own turf.

As you can guess, vertical envelopment is only used a bit in the LRRA. Paratroopers have a long time when they are fair game for flak and small arms, and helicopters are veunerable to the same ground weapons, and other helicopters, as well as portable SAMs.

Crookfur maintains 1 full airborne Corps (4 divsions or 64,000men) as a primary part of our quick reaction force capabilties, these are backed up by regular army air assault divsions (ie helos) and marine units, but no other part of the Crookfur land forces can react as quickly (we keep 1 full divsion on alert, the US IRL keeps 1 brigade).

Crookfur para troop formations are trained for the traidtional role of seizing strategic lcoations behind the enemy's lines as part of an overall assault plan or as an emergency road bump (ie like the NATO para units would been in the atticipated war in europe).

Currently they have minimal levels of armour but plentiful tank killing units (Stoat-ATs and volitguers/MUV12B weapon carriers equipped with ATGMs) currently they are testing the Grey Mamba MBT which at 40tons fits isnide a CFU-12 Argo quite nicely and thus can be brought into even the roughest landing site, but as yet we haven't mastered flinging them out the back of a plane in flight (although low level drag drop tests are going well).
We are working on light weight (less than 23ton) support vehicle a the current time.

For defence we are easily done by, with lots of hills, and easy defense points are a plenty, with our 155mm Tank Destroyers designed to kill GT-2's.

Crookfur, we revolve around our Air Mobile, Airborne and Paratroop divisions, so we are trying to keep them going. And the 30,000 men woudl usually land on an airfield, and from there we can land most of our Army bit by bit.

Anyway, all will be explained by our convention. Crookfur and DPUO, do you wish to attend?

DPUO will, if you are agreeable, send along three representatives from the DPUOAF to this convention, which promises to be most enlightening.

OOC: Long time no see Kazakh, you bin off or hanging on other forums?

My way of dealing with DT was allying with him, never did quite get why people hated him so much!

For defence we are easily done by, with lots of hills, and easy defense points are a plenty, with our 155mm Tank Destroyers designed to kill GT-2's.

Hey, I want to go too!

But yeah, LRR has similar geography, very hilly and strewn with rocks and forests (like scotland). As discussed before, the LRRA defense strategy revolved around denying DT's or anyone's big tanks and heavy equipment use of the few (though very high quality and very large) suitable roads across LRR for any large number of vehicles. This would be done by hitting the tank formations with artillery fire, ATGMs, and anti-tank guns. No matter how terrible the GT-2s are, I doubt they could stand up to a vertical 155mm shell, or any reasonable quality ATGM.

The primary LRR ATGM vehicles, the Wiesel and the Land Rover, are very cheap to produce and have reasonably high levels of survivability, especially when Wiesels are equipped with ECM systems. They are also air-portable in pairs or single by all LRRAF medium transport helicopters, and in large numbers by air transports. They can be paradropped or airlifted in if need be, but mostly they would be used to conduct hit-and-run attacks and ambushes on armored groups. We also have a 155mm tank destroyer vehicle based on the MBT-4 Red Cloud tank, but it is not as heavily used as the Wiesel and Land Rover ATGM carriers. Infantry ATGM teams are also heavily used, based from Wiesel APC variants and the SEP, which will soon come into LRR service, and which is highly air-portable.

In short, we use air transport mostly to relocate anti-tank teams, infantry, and light armor to where they are needed, if ground travel is not an option. DT would not conquer LRR.

But in a modern battle environment, you cannot commit infantry into a battle without equipping them with a way to effectively deal with tanks and armored vehicles. This is accomplished in LRR by deploying ATGMs on the squad level where possible and coupling infantry with armored vehicles equipped with both anti-infantry and anti-tank weapons on the platoon level (two APC squads, one light vehicle squad), at least in units that would be front-line in the event of an invasion.

But anyway, the 1st air assault division, equipped with Il-79s, C-135s, Huey Griffons, John Henry IV APCs, and Land Rovers will attend the conference if you accept them.

Yes, of course we are willing to let the fine servicemen of Lunitic Retard Robots join us at our convention.

Our defense network is indeed intricate, yet we are proud of it and proud of our servicemen and women who serve our nation, as they do yours. I hope they will meet and enjoy themselves, and hope the mad beureacrats that run the country dont dilute the fun too much. :wink:

Of course Crookfur will be sending a delagation.

Actually airports are generally speaking one of our priamry targets with our airborne units (look at the current FPC civil war for a good example).

PEA would like to send some delagates to the confrence. We are researching some new technologies that are proving very promising that we wish to share with the world.

(When is the actual confrence doing to start or has it started already?)

The Conference will start on Saturday, from the time I first post!

Everyone is welcome, short of suicide bombers etc. Security will be tight and no unauthorised personnel access. Food will be served on location and accomidation offered.

The conference starts tommorow! [subliminal bump]

You picked a great day for that.

I have to work on a project that's due on monday and I haven't started it.

:oops:

OOC: Um.....that wasn't meant to happen. Anyway, lets start now :(

IC:

The convention was far from a high key event, with world exhibitors and viewers arriving by military transports all afternoon. As they arrived, they were sheperded into a large hangar with closed doors, where most of Kazakhstania's airborne technology was shown, including a huge KN-12 aircraft and various vehicles.

Also there were several fully kitted un Kazakhstanian soldiers, displaying our various small arms and soldier technology. Several representatives were there explaining tactics, all in an almost air show display format. Then, all visitors were sheparded into a large group of chairs.

Here, a two hour talk was given on Kazakhstania's military format etc. Then, LRR's soldiers were invited to give a talk on their tactics.

OOC: LRR, your up. I will explain our tactics, formats and equipment later.