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In spite of what you may have heard about CharlotteMaria, our army is all volunteer.

It would be against our public policy to have a conscript army, for the following reasons:

1) The rich-poor divide is too great, and this has lead to social hatered. Trying to bring all sorts of different people from our many different social groups together into a military unit simply wouldn't work. The different social groups in CharlotteMaria like to be kept seperate.

2) We have an individualist, free-market economy. In spite of being a far right-wing nation, we allow individuals to choose thier own paths in life, as long as they don't infringe on the rights of others, or challenge the government. Compulsory military service would infringe on the freedoms of those people who want to get training in extra skills, and move into a professional field.

3) Some people are not capable of being in the army. Some people may be unloyal, unmotivated, pysically unfit, etc.

We currently have a volentry army, but in times of great need the goverment retains the right to call up a 'peoples militia' to defend her motherland.

We currently have a volentry army, but in times of great need the goverment retains the right to call up a 'peoples militia' to defend her motherland.

And what people does your 'peoples militia' consist of?

Conscripts don't fight well. You need motivated troops not unhappy and unwilling ones.

We believe in 'volantury' conscription to our guerilla forces.

The peoples militia is secondry branch of the Momanguise Armed Forces. It has never been conscripted (yet) because the need has never assison. It is lightly armed, but all members recieve basic military training, and a good membership of the organisation is seen as valuble experience when joining the MAF.

Conscripts don't fight well. You need motivated troops not unhappy and unwilling ones.

Correct.

You also want people who will be loyal to thier leader. You don't want to arm people from dissaffected social groups like the pwllheli catholics or the llanybydder jews in CharlotteMaria.

Conscripts don't fight well. You need motivated troops not unhappy and unwilling ones. We also find you can get just as motivated by staring down the barrel of a gun than you can by volunteering.

We believe in 'volantury' conscription to our guerilla forces.

i have a mixture of both so i can't vote

To TRHLF: meaning what exactly?

I actually do have voluntary conscripts. They are put down for enlistment automatically, have to do 5 weeks training, and if they like it, they stay for 4 years. If they still are interested, they stay.
They can get out of the 4 years, but most don't. My people are intelligent enough to choose to remain onboard. They get quite an intense taster of army life in the 5 weeks. Anybody can join, though not all can be front line combatants. Amputees for example cannot fight, but can do lots of the beaurocratic jobs associated with the army.

i have a mixture of both so i can't vote

Selective conscription?

Who do you select for your army?

To TRHLF: meaning what exactly? Meaning we rely on a stystem of patriotism, peer pressure, money and other encentives and fear to recruit. Also if my guerillas attack a town they are allowed to pillage any thing they want.

Conscripts don't fight well. You need motivated troops not unhappy and unwilling ones. We also find you can get just as motivated by staring down the barrel of a gun than you can by volunteering.

Which are the same people who defect in masses when the "motivated" troops get killed and no one is in charge.

We have a conscript program similiar to Jordaxia.

Conscripts don't fight well. You need motivated troops not unhappy and unwilling ones. We also find you can get just as motivated by staring down the barrel of a gun than you can by volunteering.

You force people to join by shooting them if they don't.

ewww :twisted:

Conscripts don't fight well. You need motivated troops not unhappy and unwilling ones. We also find you can get just as motivated by staring down the barrel of a gun than you can by volunteering.

Which are the same people who defect in masses when the "motivated" troops get killed and no one is in charge. My guerillas don't operate in masses I operate small units which are operational in the field for years. Their is no where for them to run to. Also must peoplke join through a hatred of other nations and patriotism.

Conscripts don't fight well. You need motivated troops not unhappy and unwilling ones. We also find you can get just as motivated by staring down the barrel of a gun than you can by volunteering.

You force people to join by shooting them if they don't.

ewww :twisted: I like to think of it as euthenasia. If their not fit enough to fight, they shouldn't be living.

We use propaganda and the like, coupled with fierce patriocism and the chance to wear REALLY flashy uniforms, quite a few men and women join after the mandatory month enlisted.

The Real HLF's system is actually very effective. In Vietnam, the Vietcong's many cell's operated throughout the south (intensly in the Mekong Delta) and caused enourmous trouble to the americans as they proved almost impossible to irradicate.

Conscripts don't fight well. You need motivated troops not unhappy and unwilling ones. We also find you can get just as motivated by staring down the barrel of a gun than you can by volunteering.

You force people to join by shooting them if they don't.

ewww :twisted: I like to think of it as euthenasia. If their not fit enough to fight, they shouldn't be living.
All youths between the ages of 18 and 21 are required to serve in the military. Those with promise are "encouraged" to remain in the military until better specimens come along.

The Lord General of Emasculata

[OOC: This puppet has a law requiring military service. My main country has an all-volunteer service, which is much more in line with what I believe in. The draft should only be used as a last resort.]

I like to think of it as euthenasia. If their not fit enough to fight, they shouldn't be living.

There may be other reasons why some people are not capable of fighting. eg. Different social groups not mixing well.

Those who volunteered to join would also have volunteered to mix in with solders from other social groups.

If you can't agree with another social group within Yurka, you're no doubt a racist and will get whats coming to you.

AKA: Forced Labor and correction.

To bad i cant pic both cuase that kinda changes with the time one point its compultionary another time its voluntary all depends on our current status :)

I like to think of it as euthenasia. If their not fit enough to fight, they shouldn't be living.

There may be other reasons why some people are not capable of fighting. eg. Different social groups not mixing well.

Those who volunteered to join would also have volunteered to mix in with solders from other social groups.
First of all we have a zero tollerance on racism and secondly all children mix from a very early age so their will be no problems later on. We also find when your 50km behind enemy lines social indifference tends to go out the window.

If you can't agree with another social group within Yurka, you're no doubt a racist and will get whats coming to you.

AKA: Forced Labor and correction.

Interresting.

Many people in CharlotteMaria are both racist and classist, and so like to live away from everybody else. In CharlotteMaria, everybody has thier rights, but the government sees it as better for everyone if they keep to thier own kind rather than mix in with other "alien" groups.

I like to think of it as euthenasia. If their not fit enough to fight, they shouldn't be living.

There may be other reasons why some people are not capable of fighting. eg. Different social groups not mixing well.

Those who volunteered to join would also have volunteered to mix in with solders from other social groups.
First of all we have a zero tollerance on racism and secondly all children mix from a very early age so their will be no problems later on. We also find when your 50km behind enemy lines social indifference tends to go out the window.

That might work for now. As you organisation grows bigger, factions form and use their own parts of the "army" to serve their own hidden agendas. In the end, you get factional infighting based on whatever race, religion, etc happens to constitute your organisation. You might have one "strong" leader who acts like glue, but it all falls apart if he dies and no solid succession is put in place.

That might work for now. As you organisation grows bigger, factions form and use their own parts of the "army" to serve their own hidden agendas. In the end, you get factional infighting based on whatever race, religion, etc happens to constitute your organisation. You might have one "strong" leader who acts like glue, but it all falls apart if he dies and no solid succession is put in place.

The leader of CharlotteMaria (called Charlotte) is a strong leader who is supported by some and hated by others. CharlotteMaria is still a very segregated society.

That might work for now. As you organisation grows bigger, factions form and use their own parts of the "army" to serve their own hidden agendas. In the end, you get factional infighting based on whatever race, religion, etc happens to constitute your organisation. You might have one "strong" leader who acts like glue, but it all falls apart if he dies and no solid succession is put in place.

The leader of CharlotteMaria (called Charlotte) is a strong leader who is supported by some and hated by others. CharlotteMaria is still a very segregated society.

Happens to all nations. :D

Our government cracks down on all religions which can be interpreted as racism, in the end leaving only Buddhism and Atheism. Anyone caught preaching intolerance is fixed in our correctional facilities/labor camps.

All the diffrent "ism"s are corrected at an early age since xenophobia is a mental weakness which must be destroyed! 8) The only people who aren't temporarilty conscripted are those in the upper 2% of society. We have a motto, "Big Brother is Watching".


(Jeruselem, thats untrue, the only reason that happens is because of people's instincts to comform to something, and comformity breeds xenophobia.)

Our government cracks down on all religions which can be interpreted as racism, in the end leaving only Buddhism and Atheism. Anyone caught preaching intolerance is fixed in our correctional facilities/labor camps.

All the diffrent "ism"s are corrected at an early age since xenophobia is a mental weakness which must be destroyed! 8) The only people who aren't temporarilty conscripted are those in the upper 2% of society. We have a motto, "Big Brother is Watching".


(Jeruselem, thats untrue, the only reason that happens is because of people's instincts to comform to something, and comformity breeds xenophobia.)

Yurka, you have 0% income tax, but do not tollerate racism.

You must be the first right wing commie.

That might work for now. As you organisation grows bigger, factions form and use their own parts of the "army" to serve their own hidden agendas. In the end, you get factional infighting based on whatever race, religion, etc happens to constitute your organisation. You might have one "strong" leader who acts like glue, but it all falls apart if he dies and no solid succession is put in place.

The leader of CharlotteMaria (called Charlotte) is a strong leader who is supported by some and hated by others. CharlotteMaria is still a very segregated society. The Real HLF has a strong Spirtal leader named Ben Kahane. The nation is held toghther by its love for him and his family. Daily there are mass prayers to him.

The armed forces here aren't totally a conscription based force, nor is everyone simply drafted into service A or B. The entire conscription scheme is termed "national service" and can consist of military service, service under another ministry's purview, or a generalised "service to the nation" (university or technical college studies, with call-up afterward). The kernel is a well equipped professional force, to which is added a one-year term conscript force (primarily serving as light infantry in the army). Those conscripts will receive training every year until the age of forty, at which point they'll be placed in tertiary reserve. Those who volunteer to serve at the age of conscription or later have their choice of service branch and get more interesting jobs.

Our government cracks down on all religions which can be interpreted as racism, in the end leaving only Buddhism and Atheism. Anyone caught preaching intolerance is fixed in our correctional facilities/labor camps.

All the diffrent "ism"s are corrected at an early age since xenophobia is a mental weakness which must be destroyed! 8) The only people who aren't temporarilty conscripted are those in the upper 2% of society. We have a motto, "Big Brother is Watching".


(Jeruselem, thats untrue, the only reason that happens is because of people's instincts to comform to something, and comformity breeds xenophobia.)

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That just reminds of South Park episode involving Intolerance Death Camps :P

We run a policy of national service, however the armed forces are mostly volunteer. Most people choose to work as relief workers, firemen, doctors assistants, lab assistants, etc. It coincides with their education.

It would be against our public policy to have a conscript army, for the following reasons:

1) The rich-poor divide is too great, and this has lead to social hatered. Trying to bring all sorts of different people from our many different social groups together into a military unit simply wouldn't work. The different social groups in CharlotteMaria like to be kept seperate.

2) We have an individualist, free-market economy. In spite of being a far right-wing nation, we allow individuals to choose thier own paths in life, as long as they don't infringe on the rights of others, or challenge the government. Compulsory military service would infringe on the freedoms of those people who want to get training in extra skills, and move into a professional field.

3) Some people are not capable of being in the army. Some people may be unloyal, unmotivated, pysically unfit, etc.

I cnt be bothered to type what would be almost an exact copy so I'll just say same. Voluntary service is part of our socialist ethics.

Our soldiers are conscripted at their first year out of high school. Then it's voluntary to stay after the five year minimum service. All divisions of military other than our standard infantry are voluntary, but only to those already conscripted into the regular military.

We also have the funds to train them and equip them.

Every 18 year old male goes through basic training, he then has the choice to stay in the army after that. If he chooses not to he still goes for a refresher course every 6 years. This ensures I have an incredibly large already trained reserve force in case of war plus a high number of professional soldiers.

Instead of going into the army you can join the Marines, Air Force, or Navy.

As a libertarian (some might say anarchistic) society, Kreveria has a fully voluntary army. It is, however, large enough for this not to matter excessively.

Edit: the army, not society, is large enough.

Kilean has conscription, with every able male having to serve 2 years between ages 18-25. However, most of this service is training. The priority for kilean is not to have lots of soldiers right *now* but to be able to call upon reserves that are actually skilled soldiers when we really need them. Except for a brief stint (1 year) in a line division- most of which is actually advanced training- the Kilean draftee is mostly running drills and training exercises. After their service, they are active reserve troops for another 10 years. Reservist training call-ups are regular, but unlike the US, reserve units are never called up unless there is a major war.

Under the old system, service was different, but due to the current reforms in Kilean's military structure, the old system of A, B, and C class reserves no longer exists. With the reforms, the size of the reserves has increased dramatically. These are ususally called up for major wars. In the Kilean-Dibujante war, Kilean draftees fought well, beause they were well-led and fighting for a cause the vast majority of them belived in.

Now, Kilean's large conscript force relies on a smaller core of professionals. Although infantrymen and truck drivers may be draftees, the Kilean quartermaster corps (among other units) is an all-professional force. Draftees are used for the tasks that require sheer manpower.

The draftees/reservists, better trained than most reservists, and led by a core of professional officers and (more importantly) NCO's, allows kilean to draw on a large pool of soldiers when in need of them. Most reserve units are given a few months of "refresher" training before being deployed.

Of course, this is very much in line with Kilean culture. Liberal capitalist democracies and corrupt dictatorships don't have much luck with conscripts- either beacuse their emphasis on personal freedom clashes with the fact that the government is taking over your life for a few years, or beacuse nobody wants to get thrown into a meatgrinder by some uncaring tyrant. In Kilean's "soft" athoritarian sytem, however, people are used to working for and consider themselves very much a part of the state. Army service is considered boring, and unplesant, but everybody does it, it's just as automatic as paying taxes or registering to vote for their heimatsversammlung delegate.

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That just reminds of South Park episode involving Intolerance Death Camps :P

OOC: How do you know of the Intolerance Death Camps?!

IC: You call it right wind communism, I call it paradise. The UN considers a compulsive consumer state. So what if we don't have income tax? We have no crime, men and women are all 100% equal (EQUALITY above personal freedoms), there are numerous shanty towns and it costs money to do just about everything. The government knows what is best for people. Though we are "racist" against religions which tell people how to live their lives, and since these aren't based on nationality and skin color, we are morally superior to other countries.

The True Directorate of Hallad has voluntery armed services. For the most part anyway. We have two militia groups, any person in these can be conscripted at any moment.

They are The People's Militia. We provide arms and basic training to these men. Most of them are already battle-hardend.

There is also The Minute Men. They have no training and are not supplied most of these men carry shotguns and work as guerrilla fighters.

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OOC

That just reminds of South Park episode involving Intolerance Death Camps :P

OOC: How do you know of the Intolerance Death Camps?!

IC: You call it right wind communism, I call it paradise. The UN considers a compulsive consumer state. So what if we don't have income tax? We have no crime, men and women are all 100% equal (EQUALITY above personal freedoms), there are numerous shanty towns and it costs money to do just about everything. The government knows what is best for people. Though we are "racist" against religions which tell people how to live their lives, and since these aren't based on nationality and skin color, we are morally superior to other countries.

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Since it costs money to do just about everything, money buys everything right? :)

[quote=Yurka]
OOC

That just reminds of South Park episode involving Intolerance Death Camps :P

OOC: How do you know of the Intolerance Death Camps?!

IC: You call it right wind communism, I call it paradise. The UN considers a compulsive consumer state. So what if we don't have income tax? We have no crime, men and women are all 100% equal (EQUALITY above personal freedoms), there are numerous shanty towns and it costs money to do just about everything. The government knows what is best for people. Though we are "racist" against religions which tell people how to live their lives, and since these aren't based on nationality and skin color, we are morally superior to other countries.

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Since it costs money to do just about everything, money buys everything right? :)
Yeah the people are rabid consumers for a reason, we preach a conformity among our people, but this conformity is completely equal depending on who it is. Money buys everything, you don't get to be a compulsive consumer state for nothing. We're like some kind of twisted mix of capitalism and communism :twisted:

The People's Republic of New Cnaan holds a small peacekeeping and defensive military force, wich is entirely composed of volunteers. It is against our people's will to waste our economy's products on pointless militarist policies. However, due to the recent concern about hostile actions that might be taken against our peaceful home by fascist and capitalist warmongers, Secretary General Omar Golan is considering the expansion of our self-defensive forces and the creation of a People's Militia, as a defense against possible terrorist actions and/or invasion attempts by irrational nations.