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What a surprise just another shield for the big anti-terrorist nations to hide behind. The term Terrorist is instantly dirogratry to nations like myself. Why don't the same rules apply to coventional nations?
If I am a convential army and I attack I don't have to RP things like: which port my navy leaft from and how big the port is(can it service my whole navy), or what wind speed there was as this affectes the time taken to get to the target, research into the coast I am going to land on and tidal pattens, the customs of the indiuous population so I know my army won't offend them, how the civillan population is responding and if the ships had enough fuel to complete the trips and if so where did they get it from. WHAT A JOKE.

What a surprise just another shield for the big anti-terrorist nations to hide behind. The term Terrorist is instantly dirogratry to nations like myself. Why don't the same rules apply to coventional nations?
If I am a convential army and I attack I don't have to RP things like: which port my navy leaft from and how big the port is(can it service my whole navy), or what wind speed there was as this affectes the time taken to get to the target, research into the coast I am going to land on and tidal pattens, the customs of the indiuous population so I know my army won't offend them, how the civillan population is responding and if the ships had enough fuel to complete the trips and if so where did they get it from. WHAT A JOKE.

Sure ya do, i do, and so do many of good RPers, if you RP well, you describe every important aspect! But, even if we were RPing a terror inncident, civillian response can be intersting in an RP.....and its assumed you're military is copotent enough to fill your tanks before your ships left...and uhh, about offending them....SHOOTING AT people tends to offend them, so i dontt hink customs is important in this case. Anyways, i wouldn't say

"The car bomb drove along at a steady 20 mph through side streets, then it sped p to 60 and ramme dinto the cafe"

just as i wont say

"The 7th fleet steamed on twoards the enemy waters, douing 30 knots the whole way, execpt the big ships which can noly do 12, so everyone ahd to slow down a bit....and the fights flew at mach .5 on CAP...."

pretty boring huh?

Note: My nation DOES NOT in any way particapate in terrorist attacks

WHAT A JOKE.

And yet it's been stickied... who would of thought it but a MOD has put it perminantly at the top of this forum.

Perhaps it confirms my argument that NS is orchastrated to be anti-terrorist?
Could everyone please look at this post and tell me what is wrong with it ie Iuthia
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=137430

Come on everybody, judge me for my terrible ignore against a nation which used possibably the worse reason ever for calling in terrorists...

Watch in amazement as your intelligences drops as the terrorists POSTED their nuclear weapon to an Embassy which doesn't exist.

Trill in horror as Iuthia rants on and on about HLF's terrible concept of Roleplay and IC reasoning.

Cringe at the attempted use of Belem brand nuclear weapons which, despite physical limitations, can take out 5 miles of city area.

Joke and laugh at the terrible use of ignore against a nation which wanted my nuked because "I didn't add them to my INOC list because I missed them"

Yes, read this thread. Learn how terrible I am. :roll:

Come on everybody, judge me for my terrible ignore against a nation which used possibably the worse reason ever for calling in terrorists...

Watch in amazement as your intelligences drops as the terrorists POSTED their nuclear weapon to an Embassy which doesn't exist.

Trill in horror as Iuthia rants on and on about HLF's terrible concept of Roleplay and IC reasoning.

Cringe at the attempted use of Belem brand nuclear weapons which, despite physical limitations, can take out 5 miles of city area.

Joke and laugh at the terrible use of ignore against a nation which wanted my nuked because "I didn't add them to my INOC list because I missed them"

Yes, read this thread. Learn how terrible I am. :roll:
OOC: Ok lets anaylise it. Firstly I did my own background research and Spherea lost close to a million civilans in the nuclear attacks. From what I can make out the resue efforts were swampt and he apealed to the INOC list so that the rest of the world would know and send help. It was replide to then ignore by Iuthia. This is a good reason abeit a phycophapic grudge for an attack.
Secondly it wasn't my embassy it was Holy Panooly's one. The sarin bomb would be posted there. That was OOC remember by the way.
Also the nukes were just a distraction. The real attack was my men would go to one of Iuthia's busyest streets where HP had leaft a sarin bomb in a backpack in an unmarked, white van . Then, walk to the great mall in the capital and detonate the device. A large amount of C4 is also added to destroy the bomb so that it would be untracable to both HP and me. The bomb is made of hard plastic and a thin casing of glass to maim people with glass splinters.
The only reason Iuthia doesn't want to accept it is plain and simple. He doesn't want a terorist attack in his nation.

Well if I'm sorry if I missed his post or didn't get around to it, but thats OOC reasoning.

I don't think I posted anything like "I'm not going to add you" so I OOC missed his post... it's easy to do. It's still a crap OOC reason.

Holy Panooly doesn't have a Embassy in Iuthia or Free Iuthia... I've already posted that numberous times because of his suspected links to terrorism... I posted it in his thread for embassies. His nation isn't trusted enough to have an embassy in Iuthia and his nation has an empty Iuthian embassy because I didn't trust him... I can link it as well, there is a reason I have a list of nations with Iuthian Embassies.

And...

Wait a minute, who really cares... you're pulling crap out of your ass. In the first post you stated you were going to get your weapons in Iuthia.

I can back my claims up with links, your reason for this attack is OOC, your weapons couldn't be got in Iuthia and overall your completely missing the point about RP.

Now thats the last I'm going to say on this thread or any other...

What a surprise just another shield for the big anti-terrorist nations to hide behind. The term Terrorist is instantly dirogratry to nations like myself. Why don't the same rules apply to coventional nations?
If I am a convential army and I attack I don't have to RP things like: which port my navy leaft from and how big the port is(can it service my whole navy), or what wind speed there was as this affectes the time taken to get to the target, research into the coast I am going to land on and tidal pattens, the customs of the indiuous population so I know my army won't offend them, how the civillan population is responding and if the ships had enough fuel to complete the trips and if so where did they get it from. WHAT A JOKE.


First of all, I worked my ass off on this thread. It took me many hours of work to get all these examples of threads. I don't appreciate you saying how much of a joke this is.

Second of all, even if you were a conventional army, you would still have to RP the same exact things that anyone else would. You are overreacting, with all the things you said. No one ever said you need to calculate wind speed. Being a terrorist organization is much more complicated than being a normal nation, and you take that risk when you become one. A terrorist org. can't just jump into....let's say...Iuthia, without knowing its customs, otherwise, they will stand out pretty obviously. You need to do a lot of research. Normal nations do not have to do this research because they aren't secretly planning attacks. Normal nations just plain attack. They send their armies to destroy, not penetrate, and secretly plan an attack.

You have a lot to learn, and if I were Iuthia, I would have done exactly what he did. IGNORE you. I suggest you go through my University, and maybe I can teach you a few things.

You know something, I've actually participated in a terrorist RP. It was actually the first nation I could remember that did this sort of thing (s/he's gone now.) You know what I did? I asked them to do a terrorist RP, because the nation was a decent RPer, had fairly good reasons for their ideology, and saw it could be fun. NS isn't tooled to be anti-terrorist (although that is a good thing to be in the eyes of a vast majority), but anti-poor RPer. You HLF, are exactly the latter.

What a surprise just another shield for the big anti-terrorist nations to hide behind. The term Terrorist is instantly dirogratry to nations like myself. Why don't the same rules apply to coventional nations?
If I am a convential army and I attack I don't have to RP things like: which port my navy leaft from and how big the port is(can it service my whole navy), or what wind speed there was as this affectes the time taken to get to the target, research into the coast I am going to land on and tidal pattens, the customs of the indiuous population so I know my army won't offend them, how the civillan population is responding and if the ships had enough fuel to complete the trips and if so where did they get it from. WHAT A JOKE.


First of all, I worked my ass off on this thread. It took me many hours of work to get all these examples of threads. I don't appreciate you saying how much of a joke this is.

Second of all, even if you were a conventional army, you would still have to RP the same exact things that anyone else would. You are overreacting, with all the things you said. No one ever said you need to calculate wind speed. Being a terrorist organization is much more complicated than being a normal nation, and you take that risk when you become one. A terrorist org. can't just jump into....let's say...Iuthia, without knowing its customs, otherwise, they will stand out pretty obviously. You need to do a lot of research. Normal nations do not have to do this research because they aren't secretly planning attacks. Normal nations just plain attack. They send their armies to destroy, not penetrate, and secretly plan an attack.

You have a lot to learn, and if I were Iuthia, I would have done exactly what he did. IGNORE you. I suggest you go through my University, and maybe I can teach you a few things.
So what happends when an army like the US Army goes into a nation without any knowledge or respect of its customs than it gets practically everyone in the country coming down on them for offending them. Also when the US army went into Iraq I suppose they had no research into the terrain of the nation or the people or the locations of settlement? Of course they did. Conventional armies don't 'plain attack'.
Why don't you also make a point of telling anti-terrorist nations that no defence is inpenatrable. Of course you won't as that would limit all your options to much as you couldn't claim your nation is impenatrable.
You say that 'being a terrorist organisation is much more complicated then being a normal nation'. Sure the IRA has lots more work to do than the whole US govenment.
Perhaps I will start to listen to your points on terrorism when you have made a terrorist organisation yourself (it is very easy to sit back and critisise) or don't revolve around suiting yourself.

I think what it comes down to, is that Real HLF really doesn't understand the idea of what roleplay is. If this were D&D, he'd be the munchkin with all stats at 18, and the +5 sword of omnislaying, whose only interation with NPCs is to chop their heads off and loot them.

It's not about terrorism. It's about Real HLF's utter inability to grasp the fact that war and terrorism in NS are not competitions that you have to 'win' at the expense of the other player.

What a surprise just another shield for the big anti-terrorist nations to hide behind. The term Terrorist is instantly dirogratry to nations like myself. Why don't the same rules apply to coventional nations?
If I am a convential army and I attack I don't have to RP things like: which port my navy leaft from and how big the port is(can it service my whole navy), or what wind speed there was as this affectes the time taken to get to the target, research into the coast I am going to land on and tidal pattens, the customs of the indiuous population so I know my army won't offend them, how the civillan population is responding and if the ships had enough fuel to complete the trips and if so where did they get it from. WHAT A JOKE.


First of all, I worked my ass off on this thread. It took me many hours of work to get all these examples of threads. I don't appreciate you saying how much of a joke this is.

Second of all, even if you were a conventional army, you would still have to RP the same exact things that anyone else would. You are overreacting, with all the things you said. No one ever said you need to calculate wind speed. Being a terrorist organization is much more complicated than being a normal nation, and you take that risk when you become one. A terrorist org. can't just jump into....let's say...Iuthia, without knowing its customs, otherwise, they will stand out pretty obviously. You need to do a lot of research. Normal nations do not have to do this research because they aren't secretly planning attacks. Normal nations just plain attack. They send their armies to destroy, not penetrate, and secretly plan an attack.

You have a lot to learn, and if I were Iuthia, I would have done exactly what he did. IGNORE you. I suggest you go through my University, and maybe I can teach you a few things.
So what happends when an conventional army like the US Army goes into a nation without any knowledge or respect of its customs, than it gets practically everyone in the country coming down on them with weapons for offending them. Also when the US army went into Iraq I suppose they had no research into the terrain of the nation or the people or the locations of settlement? Of course they did. Conventional armies don't 'plain attack'.
Why don't you also make a point of telling anti-terrorist nations that no defence is inpenatrable. Of course you won't as that would limit all your options to much as you couldn't claim your nation is untouchable.
You say that 'being a terrorist organisation is much more complicated then being a normal nation'. Sure the IRA has lots more work to do than the whole US govenment.
Perhaps I will start to listen to your points on terrorism when you have made a terrorist organisation yourself (it is very easy to sit back and critisise) or don't revolve around suiting yourself.

I think what it comes down to, is that Real HLF really doesn't understand the idea of what roleplay is. If this were D&D, he'd be the munchkin with all stats at 18, and the +5 sword of omnislaying, whose only interation with NPCs is to chop their heads off and loot them.

It's not about terrorism. It's about Real HLF's utter inability to grasp the fact that war and terrorism in NS are not competitions that you have to 'win' at the expense of the other player. I think when it Nimzonia doesn't get the difference between making rules and being a perfectionist. Also I've got a better game than D&D. Its called 'A life'. You should get it.

I think what it comes down to, is that Real HLF really doesn't understand the idea of what roleplay is. If this were D&D, he'd be the munchkin with all stats at 18, and the +5 sword of omnislaying, whose only interation with NPCs is to chop their heads off and loot them.

It's not about terrorism. It's about Real HLF's utter inability to grasp the fact that war and terrorism in NS are not competitions that you have to 'win' at the expense of the other player. I think when it Nimzonia doesn't get the difference between making rules and being a perfectionist. Also I've got a better game than D&D. Its called 'A life'. You should get it.

Hee hee. The munchkin's all mad. I think I'll say no more, because Euroslavia doesn't deserve to have this nonsense splattered over this thread.

I think what it comes down to, is that Real HLF really doesn't understand the idea of what roleplay is. If this were D&D, he'd be the munchkin with all stats at 18, and the +5 sword of omnislaying, whose only interation with NPCs is to chop their heads off and loot them.

It's not about terrorism. It's about Real HLF's utter inability to grasp the fact that war and terrorism in NS are not competitions that you have to 'win' at the expense of the other player. I think when it Nimzonia doesn't get the difference between making rules and being a perfectionist. Also I've got a better game than D&D. Its called 'A life'. You should get it.

Hee hee. The munchkin's all mad. I think I'll say no more, because Euroslavia doesn't deserve to have this nonsense splattered over this thread. You make it personnel, you can't expect me not to.

What a surprise just another shield for the big anti-terrorist nations to hide behind. The term Terrorist is instantly dirogratry to nations like myself. Why don't the same rules apply to coventional nations?
If I am a convential army and I attack I don't have to RP things like: which port my navy leaft from and how big the port is(can it service my whole navy), or what wind speed there was as this affectes the time taken to get to the target, research into the coast I am going to land on and tidal pattens, the customs of the indiuous population so I know my army won't offend them, how the civillan population is responding and if the ships had enough fuel to complete the trips and if so where did they get it from. WHAT A JOKE.


First of all, I worked my ass off on this thread. It took me many hours of work to get all these examples of threads. I don't appreciate you saying how much of a joke this is.

Second of all, even if you were a conventional army, you would still have to RP the same exact things that anyone else would. You are overreacting, with all the things you said. No one ever said you need to calculate wind speed. Being a terrorist organization is much more complicated than being a normal nation, and you take that risk when you become one. A terrorist org. can't just jump into....let's say...Iuthia, without knowing its customs, otherwise, they will stand out pretty obviously. You need to do a lot of research. Normal nations do not have to do this research because they aren't secretly planning attacks. Normal nations just plain attack. They send their armies to destroy, not penetrate, and secretly plan an attack.

You have a lot to learn, and if I were Iuthia, I would have done exactly what he did. IGNORE you. I suggest you go through my University, and maybe I can teach you a few things.
So what happends when an army like the US Army goes into a nation without any knowledge or respect of its customs than it gets practically everyone in the country coming down on them for offending them. Also when the US army went into Iraq I suppose they had no research into the terrain of the nation or the people or the locations of settlement? Of course they did. Conventional armies don't 'plain attack'.
Why don't you also make a point of telling anti-terrorist nations that no defence is inpenatrable. Of course you won't as that would limit all your options to much as you couldn't claim your nation is impenatrable.
You say that 'being a terrorist organisation is much more complicated then being a normal nation'. Sure the IRA has lots more work to do than the whole US govenment.
Perhaps I will start to listen to your points on terrorism when you have made a terrorist organisation yourself (it is very easy to sit back and critisise) or don't revolve around suiting yourself.

I DO have a terrorist nation. I didn't want to reveal this yet, but Carpathian States is my puppet. I'll even post here to prove it, that is, if the forums will cooperate...

yep. thank you.

How about answering the all points I made, not just ones that suit you.

How about answering the all points I made, not just ones that suit you.

how about admiting you got proved wrong and learning form your mistakes?

I have arranged a terrorist attack with another nation so I have. But weren't the points I made legitemit?

The Real HLF: I would appreciate it if you took your arguments elsewhere. This sort of spam is not needed in my Guide. If you would like to continue this argument, t-gram me the new thread that you make, and I will explain things to you....just not in here. Thank You.

What a surprise sounds like someones ducking out of the questions.

What a surprise sounds like someones ducking out of the questions.

even if in not the auther....

hes not ducking you asked you to TG him when you made a new thread, he just doesnt not want his guide cluttered up by your birckering with other people. This is a perfectly vaild argument to be made.....in another topic...not this one!

please take this debate elsewhere

Don't forget to buy the Homeland Security Guide to Terrorism at your local bookstore!

OOC: Are you from Kennebunkport, Maine? If so, I go there every year because my grandma used to live there. It's an amazing place... I can see why you don't want me filling up your thread when you've got these relivent to terrorism issues to deal with.

Don't forget to buy the Homeland Security Guide to Terrorism at your local bookstore!

OOC: Are you from Kennebunkport, Maine? If so, I go there every year because my grandma used to live there. It's an amazing place... I can see why you don't want me filling up your thread when you've got these relivent to terrorism issues to deal with.

See, this is my thread. I worked hours on this, and I can post whatever I want to because the author is Euroslavia. Me. I control what is posted in here or not.

I am more than willing to discuss things with you in another thread, where I can answer all of your questions. Just t-gram me to let me know the link. Thank you.

I have. :roll:

...he has been forcably removed.

This has been split from the Terrorism Sticky, as it didn't belong there and was spam. The Real HLF is strongly advised to cease cluttering the sticky.

Ok as this is my thread Most Glorious Hack I wish you wouldn't clog it up. And its The Real HLF not just HLF. How would you like it if I called you Most Glorious Cack.

<tag for the argument that The REAL HLF wants so badly>

Ok as this is my thread Most Glorious Hack I wish you wouldn't clog it up. And its The Real HLF not just HLF. How would you like it if I called you Most Glorious Cack.

You're THREATENING a GAME MOD???

You must have a Death Wish

Im not insulting him, I just pointed out how offencive it can be for someone to call you another nation. Thanks for your concern anyway.