NationStates Jolt Archive

Inside of the Negotiations House, built specifically for theses peace talks. Ernesto Sanchez, Premier of Momanguise, sweeps into the hall. Flanked by Brigadier Binhugona (recently promoted to deputy commander of Momanguise's armed forces) and six MPSA agents.

'We the first one's here?'

'It would appear so sir.'

He gave the room itself a glance. The MPSA agents were conducting a quick sweep for bugs and bombs. The negotiating table itself, built to accomidate the number of nations involved in the Camewot conflict, was mediocre and unispiring. Typical diplomacy he thourght. Well no harm in waiting.

The door was thrust open, and in walked the Premier himself of the People's Republic of British Communists, rarely seen in public. He looked at the man, one of his countries greatest allies, then shook hands with Sanchez "Ernesto my good friend, how are you? Are we the first here? Between you and me I'm not prepared to move an inch today, I want the RIA out f Camewot for good" Without giving time for Sanchez to reply he walked over to the table and poured himself some water, while his bodyguards checked the room.

Sanchez gave a hearty laugh.

'Believe me, I will not make any concessions until we can be sure that Burning City and the rest of occupied Camewot will be returned to it's rightful owners.'

His Commander in Chief Spoke up.

'We have not only the troops posted outside of Unified Sith waters, but we also have substantial numbers of POW's. In terms of military strength the RIA is weak in the area. Following Midlonia and Dracun Imperiums abondonment of the alliance and Unified Sith's retreat, only Gothenburg Franc holds forces in Burning City. In terms of the ground situation, we hold nearly all the cards.'

"Hmmmm, you're not suggesting we take the city by force? Under the rules of the CCIA I cannot allow that to happen. The only military action that will happen is if we, or Camewot are attacked again."

Certainly not. I am making the point that any RIA threats which we may encounter are groundless.

The Premier wasn't too quick "Ah of course. Well with them falling apart, and the military action against Unified Sith, I doubt there will be any threats"

The doors opened again and a man walked in.

"Greetings, I am Weck Dandal and I was sent by the Federation of Wetland to these negotiations to observe the proceedings."

Greetings Weck. Now we only await represenatives from the RIA.

Actually, the remains of the Jordaxian corps, and whatever is left of the helicopters, have dug in. Besides, Camewot agreed, and I am busy attempting to reconcile differences between the more realistic and moderate RIA, and the CDP.
(Theres not too many men in the Jordaxian corps, about 82,000, could be less.) Still a couple of hundred helicopters though.
We do not want war with Camewot any more. We have agreed to a joint use of the port, with only 1500 troops there at any one time.

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Jordaxia, lets negotiate it all over here, ok?


The emperor of Camewot walked in.
"Ah BC and Momanguise, how you doing?Are we still waiting for a RIA person?"

I'll do. I'm the only RIA person that will be online for a while that is still a, still loyal to the RIA, and b, was in the Camewot war.

Then lets begin shall we, I suggest we each get our demands on the table.

(Strictly OOC. I thought we had resolved this in the last thread, but it looks like since you get more support, you'll be wanting to change the deal. Back to IC though.)
The Jordaxian Prime Minister entered the room. It was the first time he had left the city of chambers in a number of years. The three other diplomats were already there. He shook each of their hands individually, and and gave them a big Russian style hug, a Jordaxian greeting.
"We shall begin the debate now, yes?"
" The demand of the Jordaxian people is but one. We ask for joint access to the port, with a maximum soldier allowance of 1500 men.
In return, the people of Jordaxia, without support from the RIA, will pay any amount of money to rebuild the cities destroyed in the fighting. As has already been agreed, embassies of those who wish it are being constructed inside the city of chambers. This was difficult to pass in parliament, due to the rarity of even Jordaxians being allowed inside the city, but it has been done.

The premier stood up "Our demands are simple. There will be no RIA presence anywhere inside Camewot. Every single piece of land under RIA control is to be returned. I think this is very reasonable, we could demand a lot more."

(OOC: Just as I thought)
The Prime Minister remained calm and resolute. He had known that this would be a demand.
"I am afraid not, Premier. If it will make it any better for you, only Jordaxian and Gothenburg troops will be given access. They have never made any plans for genocide, or targetted civilians in any way (Remember, I tried to evacuate all civilians left, I didn't notice BC already evac'd them.) The RIA will not change on this stance. We are willing to negotiate any ways in which it may be made more acceptable.

The premier stood up after some minutes of silent thought "This is the lowest we'll go. You can have access to the port, and you can put a maximum of 500 troops there. However, if 500 troops are there, there must be 500 coalition troops there at the same time. This is to stop anything being siezed from the port, and to make sure RIA troops don't try to restart conflicts." He sat down again knowing that the idea would not be accepted.

The emperor stood up and said: And of what will this coalition exist then? A little bit of my troops, BC's troops and Momanguises troops?

"Precisley" said the premier without even standing.

Who will be theyre leading general in the Burning City?And where will they stay, where do I need to put 1000 troops to eat, sleep and drink?, The Emperor said

"We will decide the general closer to the time. I will have 200 troops, Momanguise will have 200 troops, you will have 100 troops. Then the RIA can have 500 troops in any ratio they want.

"it is something", the emperor thought to himself.
"The lowest that Jordaxia is willing to go is 1000 men. We will do whatever we deem necessary to avoid being extorted over this.
We will send a multi-divisional force of the most disciplined troops Jordaxia has, if that is more acceptable. They can be ordered to stay out of everybody's road, or to make to involve themselves in the port, and make themselves well known to the people, and to make friends in the Port.

Fair enough
That was to BC not to Jordaxia.

The Premier stood up sighing "500 is the maximum, we believe with 1000 troops you could start a significant attack, for example take the port, or a small town. If your intentions are peaceful, 500 is more than enough"

1000 men. That is an unfeasibly small number to take a town, especially if there were equal numbers CDP of troops. Also, add to this that Jordaxia is not a warmongering nation, we have nothing to gain by invading Camewot, and I don't see why 1000 is such a high number, considering the amount of RIA troops already stationed there, that will be withdrawn.

If you have nothing to gain by invading me, then why do you want troops in my nation?

The Premier had lost his patience "If you have nothing to gain by invading Camewot, you can leave altogether. That was your last chance to have an RIA presence. We are now adopting our initial policy of no RIA forces."

"You misunderstand. We have nothing to gain by taking the rest of Camewot, as that would mean war, and possible loss of all RIA forces in this area. We see that this is going nowhere. We agree to the 500 men. We hope you will reconsider your new policy.

Ok then, I have one more request about these 500 men, where do I need to put 1000 men to eat, sleep and drink?

The premier rose, smiling "Fine, we agree to the 500 men. They will not be able to leave the port area apart from to go to their barracks, which will be made just outside the port. They must leave Camewotian citizens go about their normal business, and they cannot interfere with the workings of the port. These rules also apply to CCIA and Camewotian troops. Do you agree to these terms?"

Sorry to interupt but to BC:

That's one of the best pieces of political haggling I've seen in quite a while!

Sorry to interupt but to BC:

That's one of the best pieces of political haggling I've seen in quite a while!

Cheers, I was quite impressed actually :wink:

(OOC: I knew that if i went too high that would happen. I just misinterpreted what too high was. Still, if we look at previous threads, Camewot already agreed to 1500 men. Now he has more support, he goes back on the deal. Very honourable.)
"The terms are agreed to."
The Jordaxian Prime minister (I noticed that I called him Prime minister and Emperor. I meant Prime minister both times. The Emperor is a figurehead in our society)
remained calm, though he was enraged underneath.

The president rose smiling, his work here was done. He shook hands with the delegates around the table "I think this has been a lesson for both parties, and I have learned that diplomacy sometimes works over force. Now please excuse me, I know must return to my country" He thrust open the door and got into the waiting helicopter, still smiling.

The Emperor stood up: "Well then we have nothing to do then to eat our meal and go to our own nations to deal with other things then this political chit-chatn ey?"

I do have one question. Why does the RIA need forces inside Camewot, what purpose can they possibly serve?

The RIA needs forces inside Camewot for use as a way station for vessels on their way to other allied nations. Theres the economic bonus that this brings you as well, given that RIA vessels are more likely bring tradable goods, now the port is a viable option.

Thats just a pretty way of saying It will be usefull if we attack later, aint it?

Thats why we have 500 troops there. To stop that happening

when 500 men is an efficient attack force, let me know. And pointing out trade options is not a pretty way of saying we declare war on you. It is a way of saying, to show you our good intentions we shall sell goods to you. If we were hostile we wouldn't.

Im still thinking we should increase the ammount to 750 troops there, so that if there would be a war, the soldiers are outnumbered..

Just a little point here. We are outnumbered. The entire Camewottian army could shut the beachhead as soon as it was opened. We would have to be landing with an army as soon as the attack happened, and I think you would have noticed that coming.

Ok,ok, though I wonder what would happen if I would attack a RIA nation, not you, what would you do?

Exactly. They are VASTLY outnumbered. Several thousand troops could be on their arses in hours if anything happened.

I could do 1 of 2 things. Laugh at you as your wanton aggression means that far fewer people would come to your aid, at which point the nation you attacked would crush you, or 2, help them crush you whilst laughing.

And if a RIA nation would attack me?

It's not going to happen. I would petition for the ejection of the party from the RIA, or ask why he is declaring war on you. If the reason is very good, and there is proof, I would assist.

Ok then, I would like to open a thread about the day of a Coalition Force Soldier in the Burning City, is that alright?

*The premier skids into the room, having been in the toilet the whole time*

'Sorry I'm late. These are Momanguise's terms.

a) We agree to the conditions surronding Burning city. 200 of our troops will conduct police duty's there.

b) a non-aggression pact is signed between Camewot and Jorxdaxia.

c) Momanguise recieves compensation for the soldiers effected by Biological and Chemical weapons used during the conflict.

If I sign such a pact, BC and Momanguise will sign such a pact to!

Terms of non-aggression pact. Camewot will not attack RIA forces.
This is seen as an attack on Jordaxia, thusly, a breach of the pact.
If this is agreed, I shall sign.
Do you mind if I compensate for Sith, saves trouble arguing with him.
State the funds required.

Only for you Jordaxia, otherwise I sign no pact.

So, I give you the ability to attack any RIA members without retribution, a clear break of the mutual assistance clause of the RIA. Unacceptable.

The Camewotian politic about this is "never say never"

Do you know what the situation will be in one year?
BC or Momanguise might be in war with you, and then what do I do?
Thats why I say if they dont signt, I dont sign it!

Momanguise takes a minor exeption to this. It reseves the right to use force against RIA members in exeptional circumstances.

You cant if you sign this pact.

Heres the way the pact works. If you attack an RIA nation for no good reason, we all come down on you like a ton of bricks.
If an RIA member attacks you for no good reason, he will be ejected.
If you attack an RIA member for a very good reason, I will provide financial and logistical support, but no men. (This is in the case of the state not declaring war on you but something slightly less bad, that isn't worth ejecting him from the RIA)
If an RIA nation attacks you for a very good reason, then we shall attack you.
The CDP was a rather informal alliance, so I am unaware on how this fits into the Non-aggression pact.

I can sign it like this, if US is not included in it, if BC and Momanguise sign it to!

It refers to the RIA, under conditions detailed above.

Momanguise will happily sign this pact.

ooc: Yay! hundreth post.

If U.S picks up his act, I don't see why he should be punished doubly for his mistakes. He will not be ommited.

If U.S picks up his act, I don't see why he should be punished doubly for his mistakes. He will not be ommited.

Im sorry my english is very bad, im Belgian, what means ommited?

not included.

I'm happy you have come to an agreement. Now my entire force can move towards US :lol:

not included.

Deal, ill sign the pact and Momanguise or BC wont need to sign the pact to...

**signs it**