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Use this thread for invite and ooc comments before military action is to take place. The SecWar will make an announcement to UnAPS members as the invasion has taken place. Allanea and Edolia has final say.

As it stands so far, this is non negotiable.

Allanea:
Allanea

UnAPS:
Phyrric
Edolia
Mintar
Scandavian States
Ilek-Vaad
Pauldustllah
Pilot
Feline
Goobergunchia
Knootoss
Hattia
Tiburon
Austar Union
Lietuveska
Agrigento
Doujin
Tiawan
Barentsburg
Iuthia
Copiosa Scotia
Riannen
East islandia
Jondera
Omz222
Terra Malus
The Island States
Tiborita

If I have forggoten a UnAPS ally, do post please and I apologize. These are all active UnAPS allies. I think someone is going to get an a$$ kicking.

Sidenote/#tag#:
Knootoss is with double s.

Well...this looks evenly matched

Truly, it does. Good luck Allanea, and may the force be with you.

OOC: What does UnAPS stand for? If it has a website, can you provide a link?

Sidenote/#tag#:
Knootoss is with double s.

corrected, thanks

United Alliance of Progressive States. It's a liberal, mostly pro-democracy alliance. Allanea claims to be liberal, but look at his nation description, his huge imperialistic military, and his record of nuclear weapon use.

To call UnAPS liberal is erroneous, it just places a high level of priority on personal and civil freedoms. But that's all beside the point, the point is is that no matter what we are Allanea has still pissed us off and is going to pay for it in blood.

To call UnAPS liberal is erroneous, it just places a high level of priority on personal and civil freedoms. But that's all beside the point, the point is is that no matter what we are Allanea has still pissed us off and is going to pay for it in blood.

Pay? Blood? Sounds like an opportunity for me to offer my mercenaries to the UnAPS.

Well...this looks evenly matched

roflmao :lol:

No thank you, we prefer professional soldiers and have enough of them to deal with Allanea ourselves.

[OC: I really dont know whether or not I'm going to get involved with this for sure, but I may. Put me down under the side: "His own"]

You might have a problem with that if people dont accept future/fantasy things. I think I label gravity ships, orcs, Melkor the first (and in the Silmarillion, very cowardly) Dark Lord as such

Rest assured, Muktar's mercenaries are drawn from our auxilaries. They are the creme de le creme. They are available for almost any field of combat, including guerillas, infantry, shock troops, light ground vehicles, heavy ground vehicles, light naval vessels, moderate fightercraft, infiltrators, assassins, and artillary.

Muktar: Assassins? Perhaps we can talk after all. Telegram me and we'll see what we can work out. (Just so long as you can guarentee consistent and above average RP quality)

Melkor: This is a closed RP and unless you have some reason to get involved, I can't see anyone on my side giving the OK.

Checking in.

TG sent. I think you will be pleased.

tag, to read.

We are here.

Well...this looks evenly matched

His fault for alienating all his allies and then attacking, alone, one of NS' most powerful alliances...

Well...this looks evenly matched

His fault for alienating all his allies and then attacking, alone, one of NS' most powerful alliances...

Major Payne comes to mind here...the scene where he tries out for the police force and slaps that man around. That is what is about to happen to Allanea.

:lol: :lol:

A little late response there, Doujin

Well, I haven't had a reason to post in this thread :P I've been waiting for 'fleet movements' to engage allanea..

Scandanavian States: Technically, a liberal, especially one in the classical liberal sense, is one who supports democracy (high political freedoms) and low government regulation over what people can and cannot do in their personal lives (high civil freedoms).

Morning Feline - Do something about the Allanean oil rig.. blow it to the sky..

::Private Communication::

No, we have taken control of it and stopped operations. Until the crisis over the oil rig and the war can be resolved, we will control the oil rig. Of course, Allanea had no claim in those waters. It was in Haven, and ergo essentially UnAPS water. So, we could turn it into some sort of UnAPS staging base or central command location. That's what I would be in favor of.

::Private Communication::

No, we have taken control of it and stopped operations. Until the crisis over the oil rig and the war can be resolved, we will control the oil rig. Of course, Allanea had no claim in those waters. It was in Haven, and ergo essentially UnAPS water. So, we could turn it into some sort of UnAPS staging base or central command location. That's what I would be in favor of.

We can't be 100% certain there isn't an explosive device onboard it or something :-\ It could be hidden inside the walls during construction and the like.. harder than hell to tell -..-

OOC: Don't give him any ideas.

IC: Our troops are making a full sweep of the place with our most advanced sensors. If there's anything, we'll find it.

A nation I have never heard of before called "Hogsweat" was invited by Allanea in another thread.

This is an OOC thread, Feline :P Heh, I won't :P

Austar Union here reporting for duty....

We will back Allanea!

I invite the nation of Moozimoo. (Actually, he kind of invited himself, but he's on our side, so...).

IC: Our troops are making a full sweep of the place with our most advanced sensors. If there's anything, we'll find it.

You find a peculiar extremely large container, which seems to be kind of weird...


Hogsweat: Please post on the war thread.

Who is Moozimoo? Why should I want him invited?

I ah, of my own will uh ah *gun cock* withdraw my support from the evil nation of Allanea. They suck, and most of, do i have to say this? *gun cock again* they suck, and they are really fat and everyone hates them. To hell with Allanea! *mysterious voice whispers"good".
LONG LIVE ALLANEA *gun shot*

Secret IC To Allanea: effectively, Doujin is threatening us. He has submarines in our homeland. However, we will send anything we can secretly to aid you.

That may or may not have been an agent of Doujin controlling Hogsweat.

http://69.93.183.37/html/emoticons/ninja.gif

OOC:
Hogsweat, your forces are already stretched thin.. hell you are supporting so many things right now that one flick of a toothpick support that is holding together your military will make it collapse...

My forces are only fighting in Unified Sith! One half is in US, the other is at home... that aint thin.

<<OOC: Feline-- I don't think we should invite anyone else to our side besides UnAPS nations. Just to keep it from getting overly crowded. Allanea's going to be dead very soon anyway.>>

I'm here...I'm soon to make a post, and I'm a little behind on all this. Sorry. :oops:

Anyway, are there maps for the areas where fighting is taking place? :)

double post

Who is Moozimoo? Why should I want him invited?

1) i need some RP experience

2) err…… Feline is a great nation, they must be supported!

3)………that's it :wink:

(OOC: I think it's _Taiwan just as a technical note, altho Taiwan looks better. :) )

OOC: I don't know who they are, but it never hurts to another ally!

Just posting here so everyone knows I'm here.

OOC: I don't know who they are, but it never hurts to another ally!

are you talking about me?

:lol: i just joined because nations run by cats should stick together!

Who is Moozimoo? Why should I want him invited?

1) i need some RP experience

2) err…… Feline is a great nation, they must be supported!

3)………that's it :wink:

Great Nation, you sure you mean Feline, they're good, but great? ;)

Allanea, please advise as to your troop numbers in the following areas:
1) Allanea-Axackal Border
2) Allanea-The Prophet Border
3) Allanea-Goobergunchia Border
4) Southwest Coast
5) North Coast
6) Atlantic Island

OOC: I don't want to be an ass, but Moozimoo really doesn't have any reason to be involved. In all fairness, that isn't really okay. I would kindly suggest Moozimoo joins another time. Also for Allanea...

*mutters*

Well, I started an OOC thread earlier, but since this has three pages already, I'll rename mine to the Map Thread.

Click here for all your conflict mapping needs. (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=137941)

Nice jobs on the map, Goobergunchia.

I just wanted to make a few things clear about the situation in Axackal which I don't think Allanea is taking into account.

First of all, the border is HEAVILY fortified, meaning that tens of thousands of warbikes would not be able to get through unchallenged... Nor would thousands of bulky transport planes make it through the 10,000 SAM batteries... nor hundreds of transport helicopters. I have allowed all these things to happen because I don't like to just IGNORE everything... that's the best way to kill a good RP. But seriously, that's just ridiculous.

In regards to the match-up of Allied and Allanean forces, I want to point out how utterly outmatched Allanea is. He's attacking with about 700,000 decently-trained troops (that can shoot really well :roll: ) against over a million (300 Edolians, 650,000 Ilek-Vaadians, 150,000 Islandians, hundreds of thousands [I can't remember exactly] of Scandavians) EXTREMELY well trained troops. I've talked to everyone here by Scandavian States regarding their armies, but they are all troops that are equal to the elite troops of other nations. Furthermore, I would point out that Edolian indirect-fire alone outnumbers that of the Allaneans over ten to one, meaning that we are able to bombard the Allaneans constantly, day and night, and inflict insane numbers of casualties on their advancing forces, while our dug-in troops are -comparatively- safe. When it comes to tanks, Allied forces outnumber Allanean tanks and though I can't speak for my allies, Edolian tanks are extremely advanced -at least as good as the T-7s (and I have seen the stats for all tanks involved). Finally, with Titan gun and heavy air-bombardment, there should be absolutely nothing left of Allanea's tank forces by the end of a few days of fighting. Considering that literally tens of thousand of air-to-surface anti-tank missiles would have been launched from helicopters and thousands of heavier ones from fighters and bombers.

On the air front, I hate to sound like my fighters are just better than the Allanean ones without reading their stats but... Anne Coulter MrkIIs have 25 hardpoints, meaning that they would be extremely large and therefore not as maneuverable. YT/A-2 Hellions, on the other hand, are remote-piloted, small and have eight hardpoints, giving them a significant advantage in terms of combat capability. Considering that Allanea's air force has been exposed to tens of thousands of anti-air missiles, there shouldn't be much of left of it once it goes up against the Edolian fighters which, besides being better, also outnumber their Allanean counterparts. In other words... yeah... death...

So... that's my two Edolian cents...

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Oh! Look! I just saw this news story on the BBC... Since Edolian Titan guns (which killed 100,000 Allaneans in their capital city) are based off of Iraqi Babylon guns, I figured this was appropriate:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/april/11/newsid_2477000/2477023.stm

[My regular army troops go through the equivalent of US Marine Corps training, my marines go through the equivelent of British Royal Marine training. So yes, my troops are what you'd call elite. I've also not counted troop numbers, but it's safe to say that the ten divisions I'm sending into Axackal will account for at least one hundred thousand.]

OOC: Scandavian, can oyu get on IRC please?

Secret IC To Allanea: effectively, Doujin is threatening us. He has submarines in our homeland. However, we will send anything we can secretly to aid you.
:shock: I'm glad no ally of mine would aid an aggressor and that said aid would certrainly bring death to Tiboritian troops.

tag

tag. Although a UnAPS member, Akiros cannot declare itself a vital part in this war.

(ooc: im doing something important in RL so i can only join next week if this goes on.. and besides i haven't formally introduced my nation yet with history, website and stuff :wink: )

edit topic post above. consider the Akiros Dominion joining by tomorrow RL. :wink:

<<OOC: Let's get an idea of the new battelfield before we continue on with the war. Here's something I said before:

<<OOC: Scandavian States says that a 20 megaton nuclear warhead would have a blast radius of 10 miles (16 km). If that's the case, unless troops are really tightly packed, casualties for Allanea should be somewhere around 8% for his regulars with perhaps 20% of his criminals dying due to the radiation. Allied deaths should be around 2-4%, so Ilek-Vaad would lose maybe 20,000 troops (unless they are all badly clustered in the blast radius). Of course radiation sickness would get another 5% of Allaneans and perhaps 3% of allied troops.

Actually, the criminals would mostly be dead by now. They really wouldn't have much of a chance of escaping after getting involved in hand-to-hand combat with an army of martial arts masters and tanks.>>

The bomb was centered on Allanean troops with as little as possible hitting Allied forces. What was left of the penal battalions fighting the Edolian troops would not have been badly damaged as they would have caught the corner of the firepower.

Also, Ilek-Vaad's troops would have been less spread out than yours since they were covering the same area but there were a lot less of them.

I believe that Ilek-Vaad's withdrawal leaves us with about half the forces in Axackal as we had before. So that's admittedly very bad. Expect Edolian forces to be retreating at a faster rate, but remember that we still hold air and artillery superiority, so your forces will still have to be careful if they don't want to get really badly messed up.

Also, remember that in the North, your troops were hit especially hard, knocking out all your supply bases and just doing a hell of a lot of damage. And after 2,400 MOABs from Edolia and another 4,000 from the Austar Union (unless that was in the Prophet, I can't remember), not to mention a 20 megaton nuclear explosion, your troops are not going to exactly be ready for an organized mass assault and will have some difficulty coordinating. I just want to talk about this stuff before we get back to our actual RPing.>>

<<OOC: Let's get an idea of the new battelfield before we continue on with the war. Here's something I said before:

<<OOC: Scandavian States says that a 20 megaton nuclear warhead would have a blast radius of 10 miles (16 km). If that's the case, unless troops are really tightly packed, casualties for Allanea should be somewhere around 8% for his regulars with perhaps 20% of his criminals dying due to the radiation. Allied deaths should be around 2-4%, so Ilek-Vaad would lose maybe 20,000 troops (unless they are all badly clustered in the blast radius). Of course radiation sickness would get another 5% of Allaneans and perhaps 3% of allied troops.

Actually, the criminals would mostly be dead by now. They really wouldn't have much of a chance of escaping after getting involved in hand-to-hand combat with an army of martial arts masters and tanks.>>

The bomb was centered on Allanean troops with as little as possible hitting Allied forces. What was left of the penal battalions fighting the Edolian troops would not have been badly damaged as they would have caught the corner of the firepower.

Also, Ilek-Vaad's troops would have been less spread out than yours since they were covering the same area but there were a lot less of them.

I believe that Ilek-Vaad's withdrawal leaves us with about half the forces in Axackal as we had before. So that's admittedly very bad. Expect Edolian forces to be retreating at a faster rate, but remember that we still hold air and artillery superiority, so your forces will still have to be careful if they don't want to get really badly messed up.

Also, remember that in the North, your troops were hit especially hard, knocking out all your supply bases and just doing a hell of a lot of damage. And after 2,400 MOABs from Edolia and another 4,000 from the Austar Union (unless that was in the Prophet, I can't remember), not to mention a 20 megaton nuclear explosion, your troops are not going to exactly be ready for an organized mass assault and will have some difficulty coordinating. I just want to talk about this stuff before we get back to our actual RPing.>>

Edolia: I remember we posted about solving the supplies thing some posts ago.

I kind of presumed that the nuke was dropped on the Penal Battalions, where's Phyrric to comment?

We outnumber you 4 to one on that border alone, and we still have some aircraft, so I think we could cop some assault together...

Edolia: I remember we posted about solving the supplies thing some posts ago.

I kind of presumed that the nuke was dropped on the Penal Battalions, where's Phyrric to comment?

We outnumber you 4 to one on that border alone, and we still have some aircraft, so I think we could cop some assault together...

As I am not in the war anymore and some need clarification, out of consideration, the bomb was dropped on the area where 2.9 million men "were" located, and if that is where the penal battalion was, then they took the hit.

Well, I have talked to Allanea and the Celestial Empire will intervene on the side of... well... Allanea.

So consider me invited. This is non-negotiable.

As I am not in the war anymore and some need clarification, out of consideration, the bomb was dropped on the area where 2.9 million men "were" located, and if that is where the penal battalion was, then they took the hit.

The PB are somewhat separate from the rest of the Allanean. On the other hand, it's the biggest concentration of Allaneans on the map, so I assume that's what you hit.

No, it would be the regular army troops. Your penal battalions would have been destroyed by my assault before the bomb was ever dropped and the Phyrric commanders would have known this. We don't expect astronomically high losses, but please be realistic about it. At the very least, 30,000 is a respectable number and far worse than anything any of our ground forces have done during any one attack.

Edolia: There should be no reason for your troops to retreat, the entirety of the regular Imperial Army and Marines is already in theatre and grouping for an attack about thrity miles away from the former front. If you want to RP linking up with my forces and preparing for an offensive, let's do it.

Scandavian: please note that I lost 20,000 regular army troops along with the PB's.

I know, but since the two sets of casualties would have been largely unrelated, I'm suggesting that 30,000 regular army losses would be more in line with what IV lost. *shrugs* But I don't care, just trying to give some constructive criticism. Whether you take the extra ten thousand from the nuke or my upcoming offensive doesn't matter to me.

I would assume that the Phyrric dropped it on the regular Allaneans since they said before they were trying to keep the "Allied" forces from getting hit too badly. That's right, Phyrric? If they had been dropped on the penal forces, Allied casualties would have been much much worse. And as SS points out, the penal battalions would have been almost completely destroyed before-hand.

How many forces total does SS have? I know we've got about 200,000 Edolians (with another number similar to that almost there -damn I need to come up with the exact numbers) and about 150,000 Island States... 75,000 Mintarans with more coming... About another 150,000 troops of other armies as well. So that's about 525,000 Allied -all elite- forces not counting whatever SS has.

Let's work out everything before we make any more IC posts.

I would assume that the Phyrric dropped it on the regular Allaneans since they said before they were trying to keep the "Allied" forces from getting hit too badly. That's right, Phyrric? If they had been dropped on the penal forces, Allied casualties would have been much much worse. And as SS points out, the penal battalions would have been almost completely destroyed before-hand.

How many forces total does SS have? I know we've got about 200,000 Edolians (with another number similar to that almost there -damn I need to come up with the exact numbers) and about 150,000 Island States... 75,000 Mintarans with more coming... About another 150,000 troops of other armies as well. So that's about 525,000 Allied -all elite- forces not counting whatever SS has.

Let's work out everything before we make any more IC posts.

My artillery strength was pretty much established in my retaliation to Allanea's last attack against you. However, I'll post the rest of my stats (and get a headache for it.)

Army Infantry: 45,920 (trained to US Marines standards)
Army SF: 2,400 (trained to US Marine Force Recon standards and equipped with SIBA)
Army Tanks: 1,763 M7 Jacksons
Army IFVs/CFVs: 2,951 M8 Mavericks
Army Helos: 2,204 KL-60 Wasps and 1,875 KL-77 Salamanders
Marine Infantry: 28,960 (trained to British Marine Commando standards)
Marine SF: 2,400 (trained to British Marine Special Boat Squadron standards and equipped with SIBA)
Marine Tanks: 881 M7 Jacksons and 696 M28 Linebacker Hover MBT
Marine IFVs/CFVs: 2,064 M8 Mavericks
Marine Helos: 836 KL-60 Wasps and 958 KL-77 Salamanders

[The Linebacker, like most of my post-modern equipment that can be confused with future tech, is just clever engineering. It uses a diluted form of the jet fuel that the SR-71 uses and only has a 110mm ETC.]

This is where Phyrric dropped the nuke, Page 12 of main thread, continued from page 11. page 12 is where I dropped it when Allanea confirmed there was 3 million men concentrated on the border.

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Phyrric wrote:
Allanea, are you suggesting that there are 3 million troops on the Axackal border?

There are about 2,900,000 troops there right now, yes (after this post)

The Penal Battalions lose 1,500,000 men from the latest attacks, but the 900,000 survivors fight like madmen, driven by the gas and by desperation. Some are picking up Edolian weapons to fight with.

Edolia: post losses....

OOC: And S500's would still lock on those B-2's...

Where ever those 3 million troops were is where the crater is now.

Phyrric: Fighting was over a border of 650km, there's no way a single 20mt nukes would have taken out that many troops. It would have been better if you had used the equivilant in 5Kt tacnukes to do the job, avoids friendly casualties and still kills the bastards.

Phyrric: Fighting was over a border of 650km, there's no way a single 20mt nukes would have taken out that many troops. It would have been better if you had used the equivilant in 5Kt tacnukes to do the job, avoids friendly casualties and still kills the bastards.

The initial fireball would have taken out roughly 10% instantly, followed by the shockwave and vacuum effect (the expanding out, then the actual cloud forming, sucking the atmosphere and oxygen away) would take another 5-7% instantly. Another 10% would be non combat efficient anymore due to flash and radiation burns followed by another 20% due to radiation poisoning and sickness (when Cherynoble went up in USSR in the 80's, radiation was reported in Anchorage Alaska...7 thousand miles away, and that was equiv to a 5 megaton)

Phyrric: Chernobyl was not a 5 megaton explosion. Nuclear reactor fuel is not sufficiently enriched to sustain a nuclear chain reaction. All that happened at Chernobyl was an internal explosion that threw radioactive parts into the air, thus spreading the fallout. The building of Chernobyl still stands today (in a concrete shelter) and if it had even exploded with a kiloton of force it would've knocked the building down.

No, it wasn't even a kiloton, Phyrric. You're gravely mistaken.

Phyrric: Chernobyl was not a 5 megaton explosion. Nuclear reactor fuel is not sufficiently enriched to sustain a nuclear chain reaction. All that happened at Chernobyl was an internal explosion that threw radioactive parts into the air, thus spreading the fallout. The building of Chernobyl still stands today (in a concrete shelter) and if it had even exploded with a kiloton of force it would've knocked the building down.

No, it wasn't even a kiloton, Phyrric. You're gravely mistaken.

Research it, the radiation emitted was that of a 5.

The Empire of Yallak wishes to once again support Allanea. Awaiting approval

I would be most obliged to all members of the Anti-Allanean coalition if they would OOCly precise the current positions of their fleet and their numbers. I do think that naval groupements will be seen from sattelites in orbit, so I do not see any reason as why shouldn't I be allowed to learn their location.

This will enable me to prepare better for the upcoming post and will allow all of us to have an enjoyable RP without any agressive OOC conflicts between players. Of course, I will do the same with my own fleets, their numbers and their areas of activity, as soon as I have the possibility to do so, which would be before the end of this weekend.

I would also request the following nations to provide me with information about their coastal defences and detection capacities:

Edolia
Scandavian States
The Island States(partly done on IRC)

What would interest me, among other information, is whether it is possible for lonely submarines of slightly 'enhanced' Sea Wolf class and, possibly, Borei class to raid ports and docks. Separate information for civilian and military installations would be most welcome.
Information on the activity of the national naval fleets near the national coastline would be also welcomed.

I am available to be contacted on mIRC in the #nationstates channel under the nickname 'Mikhail'.

For those who know me, yes, this is the player behind the Grand Duchy of Tarasovka.

Disclaimer:
The Grand Duchy of Tarasovka and the Celestial Empire of Nahashir have nothing to do with each other and are simply totally different RP alter-egos of the player behind them.

*frown* Except for the Project Citidel stuff, which I think is on page 7 of my search ID, I haven't really outlined much in the way of national defense. I have three major port cities that center around fleet bases and a fourth fleet base on West Black Sands Isle that are fairly well protected against any kind of raid by small ships and subs, but obviously it's not fullproof. However, I know for a certainty that my Upholder class subs would have any Seawolf for lunch, although until I know something about the Borei class I can't say how my Upholders would do against them.

*frown* Except for the Project Citidel stuff, which I think is on page 7 of my search ID, I haven't really outlined much in the way of national defense. I have three major port cities that center around fleet bases and a fourth fleet base on West Black Sands Isle that are fairly well protected against any kind of raid by small ships and subs, but obviously it's not fullproof. However, I know for a certainty that my Upholder class subs would have any Seawolf for lunch, although until I know something about the Borei class I can't say how my Upholders would do against them.

Interesting.

Is more information on the Upholders available?

Also please note the <slightly 'enhanced'> part before the names of the ships.

And I really do not know about using the Borei. It is an SSBN, not an SSN. So it would really be used as a... uhm... last resolve? :wink:

Yeah, go here: http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=104967&highlight=

Note that the figure on how well the gel stands up is ten knots too fast, I've yet to correct that. How the gel works is describe on the design notes for the Dreadnaught class SSBN/SSGN. Forgot to tell you, there's a coastal SOSUS system, but we both know that that's going to have a hell of a time detecting a Seawolf. And how slight is "slightly"?

SW Allanean Coast:

4 Carrier groups
8 Amphibious Assault Groups

Atlantic Island Theater:

4 carrier groups

Freeport, TIS:

16 LA-class Attack Submarines
16" Coastal Defense Guns

South Haven Channel:

20 LA-class Attack Submarines


NOTE: I might've lost track of some of my carrier groups. I'm trying to find them now.

I'd like to sign up on UnAps side
thanks

well no one said no and my troops are already in the fight so ill consider that a yes

Special Credit for technical, tactical and other consultation as well as for the designs of the Ishtar goes to the player behind the The Armed Imperial Republic of Ruhr .

Information on the Task Force aerial capacities and ground assault forces to be added shortly.

1st Strike Fleet.
North.

1st Battlegroup.

- Ishtar Celestial Flagship(see below).
- 2 Hermes Class Nuclear Carrier(aka Nimitz)
- 1 Marduk Class Battleship(aka Iowa)
- 1 Apocalypse Class (aka Arsenal)
- 2 CG-21 Class Cruiser
- 2 DD(X)-21s Zumwalt Class Destroyer
- 2 Arleigh Burke Class Destroyer
- 4 Spruance Class Destroyer
- 3 FFG-7 Oliver Hazard Perry Class Frigates
- 5 Death Whisper Class SSN(aka Sea Wolf)

2nd Battlegroup.

- 3 Hermes Class Nuclear Carrier
- 1 Apocalypse Class
- 2 Marduk Class Battleship
- 3 CG-21 Class Cruiser
- 2 Zumwalt Class Destroyer
- 2 Arleigh Burke Class Destroyer
- 5 Spruance Class Destroyer
- 6 FFG-7 Oliver Hazard Perry Class Frigates
- 4 Death Whisper Class SSN.

3rd Detachment.

- 2 Marduk Class.
- 3 Apocalypse Class.
- 3 CG(X)-21s
- 2 DD(X)-21s
- 2 Arleigh Burkes
- 3 Spruance Classes
- 4 FFG-7s
- 3 Death Whsiper SSNs


2nd Strike Fleet.
North.

1st Battlegroup.

- 1 Hermes Class Nuclear Carrier
- 1 Marduk Class Battleship
- 1 Apocalypse Class
- 2 CG-21 Class Cruiser
- 2 DD(X)-21 Zumwalt Class Destroyer
- 3 Arleigh Burke Class Destroyer
- 4 Spruance Class Destroyer
- 3 FFG-7 Oliver Hazard Perry Class Frigates
- 2 Death Whisper Class SSN.

2nd Battlegroup.

- 2 Hermes Class Nuclear Carrier
- 2 Marduk Class Battleship
- 1 Apocalypse Class
- 3 CG-21 Class Cruiser
- 2 DD(X)-21 Zumwalt Class Destroyer
- 3 Arleigh Burke Class Destroyer
- 4 Spruance Class Destroyer
- 5 FFG-7 Oliver Hazard Perry Class Frigates
- 3 Death Whisper Class SSN.

3rd Detachment.

- 2 Marduk Class.
- 3 CG(X)-21s
- 2 DD(X)-21s
- 3 Apocalypse Class
- 2 Arleigh Burkes
- 3 Spruance Classes
- 4 FFG-7s
- 3 Death Whisper SSNs

North Task Group Submarine Support Tenders:

- 3 AS-39 Emory Island Class


3rd Strike Fleet.
South.

1st Battlegroup.

- 2 Hermes Class Nuclear Carrier
- 1 Marduk Class Battleship
- 2 CG-21 Class Cruiser
- 2 DD(X)-21 Zumwalt Class Destroyer
- 3 Arleigh Burke Class Destroyer
- 4 Spruance Class Destroyer
- 3 FFG-7 Oliver Hazard Perry Class Frigates
- 2 Death Whisper Class SSN.

2nd Battlegroup.

- 1 Hermes Class Nuclear Carrier
- 1 Madruk Class Battleship
- 2 CG-21 Class Cruiser
- 2 DD(X)-21 Zumwalt Class Destroyer
- 3 Arleigh Burke Class Destroyer
- 4 Spruance Class Destroyer
- 3 FFG-7 Oliver Hazard Perry Class Frigates
- 2 Death Whisper Class SSN.

3rd Detachment.

- 10 LSD-41s,
- 5 LSD-49s.
- 10 LPD-4s
- LST-1179s
- 1 Marduk Class Battleship
- 2 Apocalypsys Class.
- 1 Zumwalt Class Destroyer
- 1 Spruance Class Destroyer
- 2 FFG-7

4th Detachment.

- 10 LSD-41s,
- 5 LSD-49s.
- 10 LPD-4s
- LST-1179s
- 1 Marduk Class Battleship
- 2 Apocalypse Class.
- 1 Zumwalt Class Destroyer
- 1 Spruance Class Destroyer
- 2 FFG-7

5th Detachment.

- 3 Marduk Class.
- 4 CG(X)-21s
- 3 DD(X)-21s
- 4 Arleigh Burkes
- 5 Spruance Classes
- 6 FFG-7s
- 5 Death Whisper SSNs

Wolfpack.
South.

- 60 Death Whisper SSN.
- 20 Silent Death SSGN. (aka Ohio Class)
- 2 Boreas SSBN. (aka Borei Class)
- 10 Hunter(aka Schuka Class)
- 5 AS-39 Emory Island Class Tenders


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Ishtar Class Nuclear Powered Guided Missile Battleship (BBGN)

Class Summary:
The Ishtar Class is the trimaran flagship battleship of the Celestial Fleet. All-new weaponry and thicker, yet lighter, armour mixed with four Reactors powering four propellers giving the massive vessel quick acceleration and responsiveness. New and much lower-profile superstructure designs have decreased radar-signature and left more room for weaponry and essentials. The ship also includes an ETC system, revolutionary to the Celestial Fleet. Using much more powerful reactors, it diverts electricity to power three turrets with four twenty inch guns each, and ten six inch cannons on ten separate turrets on the amidships. This new vessel has been set up to compete with such models as the Soyuz IV and become a basis of all combat and action on the sea.

Specifications:

Key Data:
Full Displacement Load: 92,552 tons (Full Load)
Sustained Speed: 28 Knots
Flank Speed: 38+ Knots
Crew: 1077: 175 Officers; 902 Enlisted
Frame Materiel: Titanium
Hull Materiel: 14” Ceramic-Tungsten-Titanium-Diamond armour plating (Low Magnetized Materiel)
Builder: Industrial Defence Technologies, Inc.
Contractor: Celestial Navy

Dimensions:
Length: 1,295 ½ Feet
Beam: 111 ¼ Feet

Draft:
Maximum Navigational Draft: 34 feet
Draft Limit: 18 Feet

Weaponry:
Primary Weapons: 12 x 20” Smooth Bore ETC Guns on three quad turrets (2 Fore, 1 Aft)
Secondary Weapons: 10 x 6” Smooth Bore Rail Guns on single turrets (5 on starboard, 5 on port)
Guided Missile Weapons: 212 x VLS tubes
Ballistic Missile Weapons: 4 x IRBM Cells located midship behind main command module.
MLRS Weapons: 4 x ML-552C Multiple-Launch-Rocket System. (1 Fore, 1 Aft, 1 on Port, 1 on Starboard)
SAM Weaponry: SM-2-ER Missile
Anti-Missile Weaponry: 4 x RIM 212A Rolling Airframe Missile (RAM System)
4 x Raytheon 30mm Tri-Barrel Phalanx-2 Close-In-Weapons-System
Anti-Submarine Torpedoes: 20 x Mk52 556mm Torpedos
Anti-Submarine Rockets: 12 x ASROC Mk52 VLS Cells
Combat System: AEGIS Mk20 Mod 3 System
Decoys:
4 x Mk42 Super Rapid-Blooming Off-Board Chaff System
Nizie AN/SLQ-25 Towed Torpedo Decoy
SRBOC
AN/SLQ-32 advanced radar warning receiver and jamming system

Aircraft:
4 x SH-60F Sea Hawks
2 x SAH-64F Sea Apache

Radars:
AN/SPY-3 Air Search and Fire Control Radar
AN/SPS-49 Air Search Radar
AN/SPS-65 Surface Search Radar
AN/SPQ-9A Fire Control Radar
AN/SPG-62 Fire Control Radars
URN25 Tactical Air Navigation system (TACAN)
IFF Transponder
AN/SQQ-94 Sonar

Propulsion:
4 x GE PWR A6W/A4G, 224 MW
6 x Emergency Diesels
4 Bow Thrusters (2 Jet Bow Thrusters forward, one on each side hull)
320,000 Horsepower Total
4 Controllable & Reversible Pitch Shafts

To everyone involved in this war, I am asking for help to get Yallaks military numbers in order. He seems to have way too much stuff. For instance, 180 Battleships and 130 Nimitzs would be crewed by the entire personel devoted to the Navy, let alone the cost to produce them and support them would be prohibitive. I know there are a lot of people involved in this war who are quite sharp on these matters, so I ask for your help to get some realistic numbers here.

Posted: Sat Apr 17, 2004 7:01 am Post subject:

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The Empire of Yallak

Economy: Strong
Population: 1 277 000 000

Military (7%): 6 700 000
Administration, Command Personel and other base personal, tech etc. -
Army: 500 000
Navy: 400 000
Air Force: 510 000

Army crew: 1 040 000
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SA 'Bohemoth' Heavy Tank - 40 000
'Demon' Heavy Tank - 20 000
'Devestator' Medium Tank - 25 000
TD 'Avenger' Medium Tank - 25 000
'Firefly' Light Tank - 30 000
'Reaper' Guided Missile Halftrack (SAM) - 40 000
'Beserker' Multimissile launcher (S to S) - 50 000
'Dark Steed' Armoured Assult Vehicle - 50 000
APC - 60 000

Navy: 1 000 000
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Tripitz class Battleship - 180
Nimitz class Aircraft Carrier - 130
Beliskner class Destroyer - 450
Nemesis class Cruiser - 300
Assassin class Submarine - 50
Numega class Torpedo Boat - 80

Air Force: 250 000
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'Juggernaut' Heavy Bomber - 3000
C77 Long Range Bomber - 3000
C62 Naval Bomber - 5000
'Phoenix' Dive Bombers - 3500
F-22A Raptor - 40 000
Mirage F.1C - 30 000
A-10A Thunderbolt II - 30 000
F-18 Hornet - 30 000
F-14 Tomcat - 20 000

Remaining Military: 3 000 000
Light Infantry: 2 000 000
Assult Infantry: 1 000 000
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Auxillery Infantry: 550 000 - Imperial Guard
20 000 Special Forces

OOC: this is my complete forces. If you consider it godmoding then please inform why? Note that my strong economy is primarily devoted to military

Is invading with:

30 Tripitz class Battleships
22 Nimitz class Carriers
w/ 1000 F-22A raptors
500 F-14 Tomcats
500 C62 Naval Bombers
360 'Phoenix' Dive Bombers
400 A-10A Thunderbolt II's

110 Beliskner class Destroyers
45 Nemesis class Cruisers
40 Numega class Torpedo Boats
13 Assassin class Submarines

Transports further back with 750 000 light infantry

30 Battleships and 22 Nimitz may still be high even if this was the entire Navy. In addition, there is no way anyone can transport 750,000 soldiers.

The navy is way to big! Cruisers, and Destroyers cost 1 billion $ each (assuming they are up to US Navy standards, if they are bnetter, then they cost more) not counting maintenance and crew! The number of cruisers and destroyers alone would consume your entire military budget, not just your naval budget, your ENTIRE budget. Then adding the carriers and battleships, needs to be toned down.

Here is a helpful link for pricing, speccing ships:

http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/factfile/ships/ship-cru.html

Or if you like the Royal Navy better (my destroyers and frigates are based on RN):

http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/

how do you work out budget and military budget??, my calculation were done purely on population size and economy strength

There is a thread somewhere on how to calculate how much money a nation has to spend based on poulation/ income.......... I'll see if I can loacte it again. There's so much crap on the forum I'm not going to be optimistic about it. A good thing to do it to check the Nations Factbook thread in the Nation States forum. Find a nation your size and see if they have worked it out already.

I had my GDP and budget worked out but my country has doubled since then , I usually just figure on a 3-5 trillion$ budget for everything (health, schools, military, etc.....) and use 1/5th for military spending.

There is a thread somewhere on how to calculate how much money a nation has to spend based on poulation/ income.......... I'll see if I can loacte it again. There's so much crap on the forum I'm not going to be optimistic about it. A good thing to do it to check the Nations Factbook thread in the Nation States forum. Find a nation your size and see if they have worked it out already.

I had my GDP and budget worked out but my country has doubled since then , I usually just figure on a 3-5 trillion$ budget for everything (health, schools, military, etc.....) and use 1/5th for military spending.

I have recently realized that I'm not certain I posted a full summary of my forces in the theatre, so here it is. This will be updated throughout the war with casualty figures, etc.

North Coast of Allanea

1st Free Provinces Fleet, consisting of:
2 Coburn-class supercarriers
4 Aberden-class carriers
20 Guardian-class Arrow III ABM cruisers
2 Defender-class DEFCLADS cruisers
30 Adam Smith-class missile frigates
24 Arleigh Burke-class destroyers
4 Interceptor-class destroyers
10 Zumwalt-class destroyers
4 Vanden-class nuclear battleships
2 Herald I-class manned arsenal ships
4 Herald II-class automated arsenal ships
10 Locke-class SSGNs
10 Jefferson-class SSKNs
15 Cali-class SSNs
1 Marine division, partially mechanized (17,000 men)
Various tender vessels, etc.

5th Free Provinces Fleet, consisting of:
2 Coburn-class supercarriers
4 Aberden-class carriers
20 Guardian-class Arrow III ABM cruisers
2 Defender-class DEFCLADS cruisers
30 Adam Smith-class missile frigates
24 Arleigh Burke-class destroyers
4 Interceptor-class destroyers
10 Zumwalt-class destroyers
4 Vanden-class nuclear battleships
2 Herald I-class manned arsenal ships
4 Herald II-class automated arsenal ships
10 Locke-class SSGNs
10 Jefferson-class SSKNs
15 Cali-class SSNs
1 Marine division, partially mechanized (17,000 men)
Various tender vessels, etc.

6th Free Provinces Fleet, consisting of:
2 Coburn-class supercarriers
4 Aberden-class carriers
20 Guardian-class Arrow III ABM cruisers
2 Defender-class DEFCLADS cruisers
30 Adam Smith-class missile frigates
24 Arleigh Burke-class destroyers
4 Interceptor-class destroyers
10 Zumwalt-class destroyers
4 Vanden-class nuclear battleships
2 Herald I-class manned arsenal ships
4 Herald II-class automated arsenal ships
10 Locke-class SSGNs
10 Jefferson-class SSKNs
15 Cali-class SSNs
1 Marine division, partially mechanized (17,000 men)
Various tender vessels, etc.

Casualties in area: None

Southwest Coast of Allanea

7th Free Provinces Fleet, consisting of:
2 Coburn-class supercarriers
4 Aberden-class carriers
20 Guardian-class Arrow III ABM cruisers
2 Defender-class DEFCLADS cruisers
30 Adam Smith-class missile frigates
24 Arleigh Burke-class destroyers
4 Interceptor-class destroyers
10 Zumwalt-class destroyers
4 Vanden-class nuclear battleships
2 Herald I-class manned arsenal ships
4 Herald II-class automated arsenal ships
10 Locke-class SSGNs
10 Jefferson-class SSKNs
15 Cali-class SSNs
1 Marine division, partially mechanized (17,000 men)
Various tender vessels, etc.

Casualties in area: 34 marines

Goobergunchia

2nd Army, consisting of:
8 mechanized infantry divisions (17,000 men each)
4 armored divisions
2 artillery divisions
2 air cavalry divisions

1st Special Forces Corps, consisting of:
2 elite mechanized infantry divisions (17,000 men each)
1 urban division (17,000 men)
1 alpine division (17,000 men)

Casualties in area: None

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3078627

TIS is under new leadership.

how do you work out budget and military budget??, my calculation were done purely on population size and economy strength

Here's the GDP calculator I was looking for


http://merit.jink.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=419

and a good thread here:

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=141456&highlight=

Just in case anyone forgot, here are my troop numbers and stuff.
Please note that Alpha and Bravo are now in the same area, and the forces are now combined.

Alpha Deployment

I, II, and III Mechanized Divisions
30,000 soldiers armed with M16s, M4s, and M40 fragmentation grenades.
500 M1A2 Abrams tanks
100 T-95 tanks
500 AAAVs
550 Humvees
200 Paladin howitzers
150 MRLS's
50 Black Hawk attack choppers

I and II Fighter Divisions
100 F-22 Raptors
100 F/A-18 Hornets
100 A10 Warthogs
50 F-117 Nighthawks

I Bomber Division
20 B-2 bombers
20 B-52 Stratofortresses
20 B-1B Lancers

2nd Naval Fleet
1 Nimitz class Carrier w/ 50 FA/18 Hornets and 35 F-15s
LSS Van Arsden
15 Ticonderoga Class Cruisers
15 Arleigh Burke class Destroyers
10 Los Angeles class SSNs
10 PH1 Pegasus
10 Iowa Class Battleships
15 Oliver Hazzard Perry class Frigates
5 Ohio class SSGNs

7th Naval Fleet
1 Nimitz class Carrier w/ 50 FA/18 Hornets and 35 F-15s
LSS Korvana
15 Ticonderoga Class Cruisers
15 Arleigh Burke class Destroyers
10 Los Angeles class SSNs
10 PH1 Pegasus
10 Iowa Class Battleships
15 Oliver Hazzard Perry class Frigates
5 Ohio class SSGNs

Bravo Deployment

IV and V Mechanized Divisions
30,000 soldiers armed with M16s, M4s, and M40 fragmentation grenades.
500 M1A2 Abrams tanks
100 T-95 tanks
500 AAAVs
550 Humvees
300 Paladin howitzers
150 MRLS's
50 Black Hawk attack choppers

III Fighter Division
100 F-22 Raptors
100 F/A-18 Hornets
100 A10 Warthogs
50 F-117 Nighthawks

III Bomber Division
20 B-2 bombers
20 B-52 Stratofortresses
20 B-1B Lancers

1st Naval Fleet
1 Nimitz class Carrier w/ 50 FA/18 Hornets and 35 F-15s
LSS Weston
15 Ticonderoga Class Cruisers
15 Arleigh Burke class Destroyers
10 Los Angeles class SSNs
10 PH1 Pegasus
10 Iowa Class Battleships
15 Oliver Hazzard Perry class Frigates
5 Ohio class SSGNs

(The ships with color signify the commanding vessels of the entire Deployment.)