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-CNN- News Services

08-04-2004, 03:54
Introducing...

-CNN-

[ View reviews here: http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=137800 ]

CNN is here to bring you up-to-date reports of all International Incidents. CNN is garenteed to be on the spot, gathering information and presenting it to the International Community in as much of an unbiased matter as possible.

How we work

CNN will, upon request or special interest, send reporters onto the fronts of major battles, into international courtrooms, or the chambers of some of the worlds most feared dictators to do nothing more than bring information to the international community.

It is simple to request a CNN report, simply drop us a telegram, and management will send out a correspondant to the scene immediately. Also, managers of CNN look closely at happenings of the world and, will on occassion, send out reporters on special assignments.

Our Goals

CNN has but one goal, and that goal is to bring you information. And we are dedicated to do whatever we can to gather that information for you. With a current army of 25,000 reporters, there is nothing we cannot handel.

If you have any questions about CNN or it's services, please contact management via telegram.

-CNN Spokesperson Robert William Wilshire
Terronian
08-04-2004, 03:58
very interesting idea and if you keep up with it you could become quite popular.
Jarridia
08-04-2004, 04:00
very interesting idea and if you keep up with it you could become quite popular.


Same way I feel Terronian. :D
The Resi Corporation
08-04-2004, 04:00
As well-spoken and as well-put as this post may be, I'm afraid we can't allow you to have this nation.

Why?

Because we already own CNN. We've owned it, and all of Turner Broadcasting, for a very long time. We RPed its takeover a long long time ago. Don't believe us? Ask Menelmacar. She's wanted it sense we aquired it.

However, if you state the fact that you're a Resi-owned media station when it's appropriate (and by that I mean at least once in every post that you use the CNN name), we'll consider you a valid nation and not sue you for copyright infringement. How does that sound?
The Zoogie People
08-04-2004, 04:01
CNN is still a service we watch and follow with great interest, but mostly with little faith. We regarded them with scorn as they themselves were a critical part of driving Howard Dean to his downful, and began to praise him the minute he dropped out of the race...we watched with anger as CNN began to predict what John Edwards's aides would recommend and what he would do...

CNN has always been highly respected until these upcoming presidential races...once I saw what was happening, much respect was lost for CNN. Why do I watch it? Well...what other news channel is there to watch 24-7? CNN should have healthy discussions or inform viewers of candidate's policies, not predict winners and predict candidate movements like some sport competition...

But anyways, this is an interesting concept. I like it...and bet that you are a puppet nation. So who is your owner?

Nanankaland?
The Zoogie People
08-04-2004, 04:05
Oh, Resi, you own AOL-Time Warner?

In that case...:P Long live CNN! Hail CNN!
Jarridia
08-04-2004, 04:08
As well-spoken and as well-put as this post may be, I'm afraid we can't allow you to have this nation.

Why?

Because we already own CNN. We've owned it, and all of Turner Broadcasting, for a very long time. We RPed its takeover a long long time ago. Don't believe us? Ask Menelmacar. She's wanted it sense we aquired it.

However, if you state the fact that you're a Resi-owned media station when it's appropriate (and by that I mean at least once in every post that you use the CNN name), we'll consider you a valid nation and not sue you for copyright infringement. How does that sound?

C'mon....give 'em a break. They are just trying to have fun.....don't be so uptight and ruin it for others :P lol
The Resi Corporation
08-04-2004, 04:12
Oh, Resi, you own AOL-Time Warner?

In that case...:P Long live CNN! Hail CNN!Not AOL-Time Warner, just Turner Broadcasting.

And normally I wouldn't be so uptight, but we really like owning CNN, and, as a capitalist, we can't give it up without compensation. I think allowing them to work as an autonomous Resian sub-company is a perfectly fair offer that preserves their freedoms while giving us a mite more publicity.

Oh, and in all fairness, I realize that name-mentioning thing was a bit much. Just mention the fact that it's owned by Resi in every other post you make with the CNN name (e.g. CNN, A Resi Company). That's not too much to ask, is it?
Jarridia
08-04-2004, 04:20
Oh, Resi, you own AOL-Time Warner?

In that case...:P Long live CNN! Hail CNN!Not AOL-Time Warner, just Turner Broadcasting.

And normally I wouldn't be so uptight, but we really like owning CNN, and, as a capitalist, we can't give it up without compensation. I think allowing them to work as an autonomous Resian sub-company is a perfectly fair offer that preserves their freedoms while giving us a mite more publicity.

Oh, and in all fairness, I realize that name-mentioning thing was a bit much. Just mention the fact that it's owned by Resi in every other post you make with the CNN name (e.g. CNN, A Resi Company). That's not too much to ask, is it?

This is understandable...i guess.....but if they do that...i think you should let them do their own thing and not get uptight when they talk about things you may not like. ok?
The Resi Corporation
08-04-2004, 04:21
This is understandable...i guess.....but if they do that...i think you should let them do their own thing and not get uptight when they talk about things you may not like. ok?Yeah, I'll let them be autonomous, except if they start to bash us, in which case we cut funding. After all, CNN in real-life can't bash AOL-Time-Warner. :)
Matich
08-04-2004, 04:23
Hey Resi want to sell us Turner Broadcasting?
Nimzonia
08-04-2004, 04:25
OOC:
I generally ignore the claims of anyone who declares they own a RL company or technology. There was all that crap with Foe Hammer whining about Boeing a while back. Basically, if people want to copyright something, then they should make it up themselves, and that way, it becomes uniquely identified with them. Otherwise, we end up with well known RL companies and products being owned by nations that most people have never heard of. It's not exactly as if you have a right to CNN. It's about time people on NS learned to share and play nice, instead of grabbing as many toys as they can, and complaining if anyone else tries to play with them.
The Resi Corporation
08-04-2004, 04:25
Hey Resi want to sell us Turner Broadcasting?Not really, but we'll hear you out. How much are you willing to pay for it?

Oh, and on a side note, this is the 1500th thread I've posted in. Go me! :mrgreen:
IDF
08-04-2004, 04:25
We are adding CNN to our satelite and cable TV packages for no extra costs and thank them for their great reporting
08-04-2004, 04:29
CNN News Corporation already has 3 stories in the works.

We would like to that all of our viewers for their support of our new program. Stories will be out as soon as possible.


[OOC: Resi, screw off. :o I don't believe in owning RL companies, so lets just not carry this any further ok?]
West Scotland
08-04-2004, 04:30
West Scotland is interested in acquiring Turner Corporation. How much you ask, how much we shall pay...except, we will not interfere with these other nations that have CNN in them, and will not say we have exclusive rights.

State how much you want.
The Resi Corporation
08-04-2004, 04:31
OOC:
I generally ignore the claims of anyone who declares they own a RL company or technology. There was all that crap with Foe Hammer whining about Boeing a while back. Basically, if people want to copyright something, then they should make it up themselves, and that way, it becomes uniquely identified with them. Otherwise, we end up with well known RL companies and products being owned by nations that most people have never heard of. It's not exactly as if you have a right to CNN. It's about time people on NS learned to share and play nice, instead of grabbing as many toys as they can, and complaining if anyone else tries to play with them.Yes, but CNN is a brand name that receives OOC and IC recognition. You can't just ignore that, it's a powerful company. Besides, we payed good money to a man named Ted Turner for Turner Broadcasting a long time ago, and we see no reason to give up part of that deal to a nation who has done nothing as of yet to deserve it.
West Scotland
08-04-2004, 04:33
Resi, you have TG>
The Resi Corporation
08-04-2004, 04:34
[OOC: Resi, screw off. :o I don't believe in owning RL companies, so lets just not carry this any further ok?]((OOC: So you're RPing as a real company? How hypocritical is that? Look, if you don't abide by my wishes, you'll have a lawsuit on your hands for copyright infringement, and noone wants that. If you ignore that, then I'll have to add a footnote to every single one of your threads detailing how you're a Resi-owned company, and we both certainly don't want that either. So let's just be rational and accept my offer. All it entails is just adding three words to the end of CNN. It isn't that much to ask, especially from a nation who you'd otherwise be stealing from.))
Matich
08-04-2004, 04:35
West Scotland is interested in acquiring Turner Corporation. How much you ask, how much we shall pay...except, we will not interfere with these other nations that have CNN in them, and will not say we have exclusive rights.

State how much you want.


Hey you were my former puppet and as such we forbid u to buy this. We want it! Give us your price Resi!
Nimzonia
08-04-2004, 04:36
Yes, but CNN is a brand name that receives OOC and IC recognition. You can't just ignore that, it's a powerful company. Besides, we payed good money to a man named Ted Turner for Turner Broadcasting a long time ago, and we see no reason to give up part of that deal to a nation who has done nothing as of yet to deserve it.

I don't intend to ignore the existence of CNN. I intend to ignore your claim to ownership of it. Essentially, you never 'paid' anyone for the right to claim it. I could equally claim that I just bought Bill Gates out of Microsoft.
West Scotland
08-04-2004, 04:36
Oh?

*Claims it first*
Jarridia
08-04-2004, 04:38
OOC: So you're RPing as a real company? How hypocritical is that? Look, if you don't abide by my wishes, you'll have a lawsuit on your hands for copyright infringement, and noone wants that. If you ignore that, then I'll have to add a footnote to every single one of your threads detailing how you're a Resi-owned company, and we both certainly don't want that either. So let's just be rational and accept my offer. All it entails is just adding three words to the end of CNN. It isn't that much to ask, especially from a nation who you'd otherwise be stealing from.))[/quote]

:roll: .......Someone has an ego problem
West Scotland
08-04-2004, 04:38
West Scotland is interested in acquiring Turner Corporation. How much you ask, how much we shall pay...except, we will not interfere with these other nations that have CNN in them, and will not say we have exclusive rights.

State how much you want.


Hey you were my former puppet and as such we forbid u to buy this. We want it! Give us your price Resi!

There wasn't a binding contract about that! Just I couldn't use this against you ...oh. I thought in war...stupid legal files :P

Ah well, there's always Microsoft. Or...hmm...AOL Time Warner...
The Resi Corporation
08-04-2004, 04:41
I don't intend to ignore the existence of CNN. I intend to ignore your claim to ownership of it. Essentially, you never 'paid' anyone for the right to claim it. I could equally claim that I just bought Bill Gates out of Microsoft.Too bad someone already has Microsoft. And MSN and NBC. And Fox. And many, many other things.

Face it, people maintain ownership of real-life countries throughout NationStates. It's also perfectly acceptable for me in particular to take over rival corporations because I'm just that, a corporation. Foe Hammer can't own all of Boeing because he's a nation. He can own stock in it as the U.S. government does in real-life, but he can't own it in full. As for the nations I mentioned earlier that own corporations, the one that owns NBC merely has it based in his country, and the nations that own Fox and Microsoft RP as those companies.

The fact of the matter is, I claimed CNN before he did. I'm an opportunist. So what?
The Resi Corporation
08-04-2004, 04:42
:roll: .......Someone has an ego problemDamn straight, only I wouldn't really call it a problem. :wink:
Matich
08-04-2004, 04:43
So how much you want for it resi?
Jarridia
08-04-2004, 04:43
:roll: .......Someone has an ego problemDamn straight, only I wouldn't really call it a problem. :wink:


LOL! Nice :lol:
The Resi Corporation
08-04-2004, 04:46
So how much you want for it resi?CNN is quite a valuable asset to us, and as such we won't take a cent less than 2 billion for it. We realize that it is overpriced, but the clout that comes with the name accounts for the rest.

If we ever were to sell CNN, it would be on public auction. If one more nation would express an interest in buying it and if - CNN - would just loosen up and except our terms, we'd sell it on the open market.
Matich
08-04-2004, 04:50
So how much you want for it resi?CNN is quite a valuable asset to us, and as such we won't take a cent less than 2 billion for it. We realize that it is overpriced, but the clout that comes with the name accounts for the rest.

If we ever were to sell CNN, it would be on public auction. If one more nation would express an interest in buying it and if - CNN - would just loosen up and except our terms, we'd sell it on the open market.


No we want Turner Broadcasting. We will pay 50 billion.
Matich
08-04-2004, 04:51
And in that sale we want CNN.
Jarridia
08-04-2004, 04:52
I'll pay 5 billion for CNN
The Resi Corporation
08-04-2004, 04:53
Impressive. But I hardly believe this is the place or time to sell something I'm still arguing over. Not saying that CNN isn't rightfully mine, just that I want it to be so in the eyes of everyone, or at least everyone minus Nimzonia.
Nimzonia
08-04-2004, 04:55
Face it, people maintain ownership of real-life countries throughout NationStates. It's also perfectly acceptable for me in particular to take over rival corporations because I'm just that, a corporation. Foe Hammer can't own all of Boeing because he's a nation. He can own stock in it as the U.S. government does in real-life, but he can't own it in full. As for the nations I mentioned earlier that own corporations, the one that owns NBC merely has it based in his country, and the nations that own Fox and Microsoft RP as those companies.

The fact of the matter is, I claimed CNN before he did. I'm an opportunist. So what?

So you're an ignored opportunist, that's what. When it comes down to it, I can RP CNN, ignore your silly little selfish claims, and there's not a single thing you can do about it. You can RP CNN too, of course, but claiming sole ownership is greedy and obnoxious.
Jarridia
08-04-2004, 04:56
Oh...i do believe that you own it. But...now i want to own it. lol
Matich
08-04-2004, 04:56
Impressive. But I hardly believe this is the place or time to sell something I'm still arguing over. Not saying that CNN isn't rightfully mine, just that I want it to be so in the eyes of everyone, or at least everyone minus Nimzonia.


Resi come on. Were friends and allies it wont matter. I will make sure CNN is treated right.
The Resi Corporation
08-04-2004, 05:00
So you're an ignored opportunist, that's what. When it comes down to it, I can RP CNN, ignore your silly little selfish claims, and there's not a single thing you can do about it. You can RP CNN too, of course, but claiming sole ownership is greedy and obnoxious.Hey now, let's stear clear of flaming. There's tons of sh*t I could say about you, so don't get me started.

You can RP being God, too, but everyone will ignore you. You can also rip off my nation entirely and RP exactly everything I do, but people will accuse you of being unoriginal and ignore you, too.

Is it selfish to have my own ideas and act on them? I'm a corporation, I bought out CNN, is there anything wrong with that? I didn't see anyone else doing it, it didn't seem like anyone was doing anything with it at the time, so I bought it and now control it. If you want it now, too bad, it's mine. Call me selfish if you like, but I'm merely being a capitalist. And greed is good.
The Resi Corporation
08-04-2004, 05:01
Resi come on. Were friends and allies it wont matter. I will make sure CNN is treated right.I know you will, but as a capitalist I have to make sure I get the most money possible on the deal.

Oh, and let me reiterate that this really isn't the place for this convo.
08-04-2004, 05:05
[OOC: Resi, screw off. :o I don't believe in owning RL companies, so lets just not carry this any further ok?]((OOC: So you're RPing as a real company? How hypocritical is that? Look, if you don't abide by my wishes, you'll have a lawsuit on your hands for copyright infringement, and noone wants that. If you ignore that, then I'll have to add a footnote to every single one of your threads detailing how you're a Resi-owned company, and we both certainly don't want that either. So let's just be rational and accept my offer. All it entails is just adding three words to the end of CNN. It isn't that much to ask, especially from a nation who you'd otherwise be stealing from.))

[OOC: Attach a footnote to any of my threads, and I will report you for spamming and harassment. Look, its a game. Lets just drop it ok? :) I will ignore your lawsuit if it does come to that. Just relax, continue owning the real life CNN, I am role playing the NS version.

Also, Matich and others wishing to buy from resi, do it elsewhere.]
08-04-2004, 05:06
Resi come on. Were friends and allies it wont matter. I will make sure CNN is treated right.Oh, and let me reiterate that this really isn't the place for this convo.

Thank you Resi. :)
Jarridia
08-04-2004, 05:07
I like this new CNN better.....its better than any of that boring stuff that airs over and over again....maybe it'll make it interesting :wink:


And with all due respect...this is -CNN-....not CNN
The Resi Corporation
08-04-2004, 05:11
I like this new CNN better.....its better than any of that boring stuff that airs over and over again....maybe it'll make it interesting :wink:Irrelivant. He's still stealing my company.
And with all due respect...this is -CNN-....not CNNAnd with all due respect, he's RPing as CNN, reguardless of what his name is. He could be called "Bob's Weiner Shack" and RP as CNN and I'd still be upset.
Nimzonia
08-04-2004, 05:13
Hey now, let's stear clear of flaming. There's tons of sh*t I could say about you, so don't get me started.

It wasn't a flame; it was a statement of fact - there really is no point in claiming RL corporations other than depriving other people of RPing with them, and thus spoiling their fun, a course of action that is greedy and obnoxious. And don't go on about profit or other nonsense like that, because there really is no profit in it, imagined or otherwise.

You can RP being God, too, but everyone will ignore you. You can also rip off my nation entirely and RP exactly everything I do, but people will accuse you of being unoriginal and ignore you, too.

These points are entirely irrelevent.

Is it selfish to have my own ideas and act on them? I'm a corporation, I bought out CNN, is there anything wrong with that? I didn't see anyone else doing it, it didn't seem like anyone was doing anything with it at the time, so I bought it and now control it. If you want it now, too bad, it's mine. Call me selfish if you like, but I'm merely being a capitalist. And greed is good.

The existence of CNN is not your idea. You didn't 'buy' them out either; I very much doubt there was anyone other than yourself RPing the interests of the corporations you claim to be 'buying'.

The fact is, that you can be a capitalist, and create as many imaginary corporations to control as you like, because you are an imaginary corporation yourself. Claiming RL corporations, which exist outside the game, is essentially OOC capitalism, and cannot be construed to be for any other purpose than to piss off other players.

If RL corporations exist in NS, they should be under the control of their RL owners, who are essentially Non-player characters under nobody's control.

IC greed is one thing. OOC greed is quite another.

Right, I'm off before this gets any more ridiculously spammy. -CNN-, I suggest you start a new thread, and get this one locked.
Matich
08-04-2004, 05:14
Resi check your tgs.
The Resi Corporation
08-04-2004, 05:31
It wasn't a flame; it was a statement of fact - there really is no point in claiming RL corporations other than depriving other people of RPing with them, and thus spoiling their fun, a course of action that is greedy and obnoxious. And don't go on about profit or other nonsense like that, because there really is no profit in it, imagined or otherwise.There's plenty of profit. What about controlling advertising on a channel as large as CNN? There's PLENTY of profit, as well as the merchandising that comes with the other stations in Turner Broadcasting, especially Cartoon Network. Who do you think gets the profits when you buy your Powerpuff sleeping bags, hm?

You can RP being God, too, but everyone will ignore you. You can also rip off my nation entirely and RP exactly everything I do, but people will accuse you of being unoriginal and ignore you, too.These points are entirely irrelevent.Not really, they're just exaggurations of what you're doing.

Is it selfish to have my own ideas and act on them? I'm a corporation, I bought out CNN, is there anything wrong with that? I didn't see anyone else doing it, it didn't seem like anyone was doing anything with it at the time, so I bought it and now control it. If you want it now, too bad, it's mine. Call me selfish if you like, but I'm merely being a capitalist. And greed is good.The existence of CNN is not your idea. You didn't 'buy' them out either; I very much doubt there was anyone other than yourself RPing the interests of the corporations you claim to be 'buying'. I never said its existance was my idea, but purchasing it was. And if you doubt me, look in my region. There's a nation known as Fox News.
The fact is, that you can be a capitalist, and create as many imaginary corporations to control as you like, because you are an imaginary corporation yourself. Claiming RL corporations, which exist outside the game, is essentially OOC capitalism, and cannot be construed to be for any other purpose than to piss off other players.But what if we claim an imaginary version of a real corporation, which is essentially what I'm doing? :wink:
If RL corporations exist in NS, they should be under the control of their RL owners, who are essentially Non-player characters under nobody's control.That's your opinion, not mine. I don't have to follow it.
IC greed is one thing. OOC greed is quite another.This is a mix of OOC and IC, in case you haven't realized.
The Resi Corporation
08-04-2004, 05:37
Oh, if you want to RP as an unused news station, ABC is always open.
Nimzonia
08-04-2004, 05:45
There's plenty of profit. What about controlling advertising on a channel as large as CNN? There's PLENTY of profit, as well as the merchandising that comes with the other stations in Turner Broadcasting, especially Cartoon Network. Who do you think gets the profits when you buy your Powerpuff sleeping bags, hm?

That is not profit. You, personally, are not gaining anything, except possibly the satisfaction of telling other nations what they can and can't do. A corporation of a different name, that performs the exact same function, offers the same 'profit', and it also has the distinct advantage that nobody else will claim to own it. The only purpose for claiming the RL CNN, is to attempt to deprive other nations of the opportunity to RP with it.

Not really, they're just exaggurations of what you're doing.

They aren't. RPing God is, well, Godmoding, and ripping off your nation is completely different - you created your nation. You did not create CNN.

If RL corporations exist in NS, they should be under the control of their RL owners, who are essentially Non-player characters under nobody's control.That's your opinion, not mine. I don't have to follow it.

But we have to bow to your demands?

This is the crux of the matter. You can claim you own CNN, and you can RP as such; what you can't do is demand that all other nations respect your claim. Since you have nothing to threaten anyone with, there really is no reason they should listen to you.

Right, I'm off before this gets any more ridiculously spammy.

I changed my mind.
Diminix
08-04-2004, 05:46
CNN

"This is a CNN news flash. For the past two hours, The Resi Corporation and CNN officials have been negotiating the legal rights of the Cable News Network. The negotiations are seeming to get hostile. This is a Diminix CNN news flash, we'll bring you more of this story as it develops."
Technnologia
08-04-2004, 05:48
((Resi, I believe the point Nimzonia's making is that it's not fair for you to come in and tell -CNN- what he can and can't do with his nation. If he wants to RP as CNN, then he can and you have no right to tell him that he can't. If I went up to that Fox News person and said "Oh, since I own Fox IC you have to do what I say.", that wouldn't be fair, now would it?))
The Resi Corporation
08-04-2004, 05:52
That is not profit. You, personally, are not gaining anything, except possibly the satisfaction of telling other nations what they can and can't do. A corporation of a different name, that performs the exact same function, offers the same 'profit', and it also has the distinct advantage that nobody else will claim to own it. The only purpose for claiming the RL CNN, is to attempt to deprive other nations of the opportunity to RP with it.What? You're talking OOC profit? Well I sure as hell wasn't. As for me claiming the real-life CNN, if you want to look at it that way, I'm not. I'm simply claiming an imaginary equivalent of CNN.
They aren't. RPing God is, well, Godmoding, and ripping off your nation is completely different - you created your nation. You did not create CNN.No, I didn't create CNN, but I created the NS version of CNN. There can be... only one. :P
But we have to bow to your demands?Well, I did make the NationStates CNN, so yes, you do.
This is the crux of the matter. You can claim you own CNN, and you can RP as such; what you can't do is demand that all other nations respect your claim. Since you have nothing to threaten anyone with, there really is no reason they should listen to you.Yes, you can RP in your own universe seperate from everything that I do and that everyone else does, but the fact of the matter is that no one will then RP with you. Another fact is that the majority of NationStates in the know nations value my claim to owning CNN.
Right, I'm off before this gets any more ridiculously spammy.I changed my mind.Another instance of your hypocracy. :wink:
The Resi Corporation
08-04-2004, 05:56
((Resi, I believe the point Nimzonia's making is that it's not fair for you to come in and tell -CNN- what he can and can't do with his nation. If he wants to RP as CNN, then he can and you have no right to tell him that he can't. If I went up to that Fox News person and said "Oh, since I own Fox IC you have to do what I say.", that wouldn't be fair, now would it?))No, it wouldn't, especially because Fox claimed it before you did. I however claimed CNN before -CNN- did.

Look people, all that I want is three little words after the acronym CNN on every other post with said acronym that -CNN- writes. Is that too much to ask? Besides, it's not like "CNN, a Resi Company" flows bad or anything.
The Resi Corporation
08-04-2004, 05:58
CNN

"This is a CNN news flash. For the past two hours, The Resi Corporation and CNN officials have been negotiating the legal rights of the Cable News Network. The negotiations are seeming to get hostile. This is a Diminix CNN news flash, we'll bring you more of this story as it develops."I'll let this slide, which is what I do with these things from time to time. The only reason I'm confronting -CNN- like this is because, well, he's named "-CNN-".
Diminix
08-04-2004, 06:01
CNN

"This is a CNN news flash. For the past two hours, The Resi Corporation and CNN officials have been negotiating the legal rights of the Cable News Network. The negotiations are seeming to get hostile. This is a Diminix CNN news flash, we'll bring you more of this story as it develops."I'll let this slide, which is what I do with these things from time to time. The only reason I'm confronting -CNN- like this is because, well, he's named "-CNN-".

OOC:

Oooohhhh :roll:
Terronian
08-04-2004, 06:02
resi lighten the hell up. Its a awesome idea and your just mad that you didnt think of it first. Also they have every right to call themselves and be CNN as you have yet to show any proof you own the company.
Guanyu
08-04-2004, 06:04
resi lighten the hell up. Its a awesome idea and your just mad that you didnt think of it first. Also they have every right to call themselves and be CNN as you have yet to show any proof you own the company.

I very much doubt that he did this because he's pissed that he didn't think of it first. What the hell difference does it make if someone came up with an idea he didn't think of first? It happens all the time. He has the right to get angry, however, if someone takes something he RPed the claiming of.
Nimzonia
08-04-2004, 06:05
What? You're talking OOC profit? Well I sure as hell wasn't. As for me claiming the real-life CNN, if you want to look at it that way, I'm not. I'm simply claiming an imaginary equivalent of CNN.

There is precisely no IC profit from claiming the RL CNN instead of an equally influential made-up organisation.

No, I didn't create CNN, but I created the NS version of CNN. There can be... only one. :P

CNN is a recognised brand name, as it was convenient for you to point out before. Claiming an NS version is the same as claiming the RL version.

Well, I did make the NationStates CNN, so yes, you do.

Actually, no I don't. Claiming an 'NS version' is no different from claiming the RL organisation. It is simply something you have no right to do and then expect other people to recognise it.

Yes, you can RP in your own universe seperate from everything that I do and that everyone else does, but the fact of the matter is that no one will then RP with you.

If I IGNORE you, it will barely damage my RP prospects, considering that I've had no IC interaction with you thus far. If you think that you are the heart and soul of NS, I'm sorry to inform you, you're not.

Another fact is that the majority of NationStates in the know nations value my claim to owning CNN.

What counts as an 'in the know' nation? One of your lackeys? Don't make me laugh.
The Resi Corporation
08-04-2004, 06:10
resi lighten the hell up. Its a awesome idea and your just mad that you didnt think of it first. Also they have every right to call themselves and be CNN as you have yet to show any proof you own the company.I very much doubt that he did this because he's pissed that he didn't think of it first. What the hell difference does it make if someone came up with an idea he didn't think of first? It happens all the time. He has the right to get angry, however, if someone takes something he RPed the claiming of.Thank you, Guanyu. I couldn't have said it better myself.

And besides, I DID come up with the idea first, which just lends more weight to my end of things. And I repeat myself: all I want is three little words.
Tiborita
08-04-2004, 06:12
(OOC) Technically, no one has a right to CNN. If CNN gave a crap about this web-site, they could bring leagal action against NS. There is no valid argument for RL copyright claims. To do so means you are in violation. Can't everyone just find their own acronym?
The Resi Corporation
08-04-2004, 06:14
There is precisely no IC profit from claiming the RL CNN instead of an equally influential made-up organisation. True. Then why do you care?CNN is a recognised brand name, as it was convenient for you to point out before. Claiming an NS version is the same as claiming the RL version.Then how's what -CNN- is doing different from what I did?Actually, no I don't. Claiming an 'NS version' is no different from claiming the RL organisation. It is simply something you have no right to do and then expect other people to recognise it.Okay, then again, what makes -CNN- special? He's essentially the NS version of CNN, complete with OOC brand recognition.If I IGNORE you, it will barely damage my RP prospects, considering that I've had no IC interaction with you thus far. If you think that you are the heart and soul of NS, I'm sorry to inform you, you're not.Oh, I know I'm not. Suffice to say that you ignoring me will have little or no effect on me either, considering this is the second time I've even seen you on NationStates.What counts as an 'in the know' nation? One of your lackeys? Don't make me laugh.If that's what you want to call Siri, then go ahead.
Nimzonia
08-04-2004, 06:15
He has the right to get angry, however, if someone takes something he RPed the claiming of.

He can't have RPed the claiming of it without GODMODing, because he would be declaring the actions of the owners of CNN for them.
The Resi Corporation
08-04-2004, 06:17
(OOC) Technically, no one has a right to CNN. If CNN gave a crap about this web-site, they could bring leagal action against NS. There is no valid argument for RL copyright claims. To do so means you are in violation. Can't everyone just find their own acronym?I'm not saying I have a right to CNN as a real life company, but I have a right to CNN as an RP concept, just like I have a right to everything in my store and no one else does. Simple as that.
The Resi Corporation
08-04-2004, 06:18
He can't have RPed the claiming of it without GODMODing, because he would be declaring the actions of the owners of CNN for them.Just like a lot of people declare the actions of a nation they're invading that no one owns. A perfect analogy.
Nimzonia
08-04-2004, 06:22
True. Then why do you care?
I don't. I'm being pedantic.

Then how's what -CNN- is doing different from what I did?
-CNN- is not claiming exclusive ownership of CNN to the point of butting into people's CNN threads to tell them what they can and can't do.

Okay, then again, what makes -CNN- special? He's essentially the NS version of CNN, complete with OOC brand recognition.
See previous statement. He hasn't forbidden anyone else from using CNN. And in any case, I don't remember specifically endorsing him.

Oh, I know I'm not. Suffice to say that you ignoring me will have little or no effect on me either, considering this is the second time I've even seen you on NationStates.
In that case, why would you care if I used CNN?

If that's what you want to call Siri, then go ahead.
I've never heard of Siri, so being 'in the know' obviously doesn't count for much.

Leave people to RP CNN. Nobody's stopping you from RPing it. If you want to claim sole ownership of a corporation, make up your own with a unique identity; one that is synonymous with your nation, that nobody would think to RP, let alone by accident. Then you can have your three little words.
Guanyu
08-04-2004, 06:22
Look, you shouldn't mix up RL corporations and places with those that are IC, it's a whole different paradigm.
Tiborita
08-04-2004, 06:22
I'm not saying I have a right to CNN as a real life company, but I have a right to CNN as an RP concept, just like I have a right to everything in my store and no one else does. Simple as that.
(OOC) They have the copyright no matter if it is for RL, or if it is for a game.
Nimzonia
08-04-2004, 06:23
He can't have RPed the claiming of it without GODMODing, because he would be declaring the actions of the owners of CNN for them.Just like a lot of people declare the actions of a nation they're invading that no one owns. A perfect analogy.

Well, people shouldn't do that either.
Guanyu
08-04-2004, 06:24
I've never heard of Siri, so being 'in the know' obviously doesn't count for much.

...I don't even know what to say to this. Well actually, I do. Much becomes clear.
The Resi Corporation
08-04-2004, 06:30
I don't. I'm being pedantic.Then stop cluttering the thread with pointlessness.
-CNN- is not claiming exclusive ownership of CNN to the point of butting into people's CNN threads to tell them what they can and can't do.He's certainly infringing on my right to RP CNN as I want it, isn't he?
See previous statement. He hasn't forbidden anyone else from using CNN. And in any case, I don't remember specifically endorsing him.See previous statement. And you're certainly not endorsing me.
In that case, why would you care if I used CNN?Probably, OOCly at least. Why? Because bringing CNN to NationStates was my idea to begin with.
I've never heard of Siri, so being 'in the know' obviously doesn't count for much.Really? You haven't heard of Siri, the ruler of Menelmacar? The sex symbol of NS? What about her arch-rival, Melkor, Lord of the Orcs? You've lost the infantesimal ammount of respect I've had for you. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about, so just leave. Now.
Leave people to RP CNN. Nobody's stopping you from RPing it. If you want to claim sole ownership of a corporation, make up your own with a unique identity; one that is synonymous with your nation, that nobody would think to RP, let alone by accident. Then you can have your three little words.People are stopping me from RPing it as I choose, namily people like you who have no idea what the finer nuances of NationStates are.

We can keep up this argument for as long as you want, it does nothing but good for the ol' post count. :wink:
The Resi Corporation
08-04-2004, 06:33
He can't have RPed the claiming of it without GODMODing, because he would be declaring the actions of the owners of CNN for them.Just like a lot of people declare the actions of a nation they're invading that no one owns. A perfect analogy.Well, people shouldn't do that either.But they do. And until now, I have seen no one who considers it bad RP. In fact, with this one Orcish nation (not Melkor, different one) in particular, it was extremely good RP.

But you don't know how NationStates works IC, so I can't blame you too much. Just give it a rest, you lost all chance of ever getting a good response out of me after you not knowing who Siri was.
Guanyu
08-04-2004, 06:34
By telling Resi how to RP, you're forcing your rules on others at least as much as he is. Think about that for a minute. It's worth considering.
Nimzonia
08-04-2004, 06:54
Then stop cluttering the thread with pointlessness.
The fact that I'm being pedantic does not make these points any less relevent.

He's certainly infringing on my right to RP CNN as I want it, isn't he?

That's rather like saying that ignoring a n00b when he attacks you with 2321234123 n00ks, is infringing on his right to RP a war as he wants. If the way you want to RP involves treading all over other people, then you don't have a right to it, because RP requires a certain amount of give and take. If someone doesn't RP the way you want them to, you cannot force them to; you can only ignore them.

See previous statement. And you're certainly not endorsing me.

Just because I'm not endorsing you does not mean I'm endorsing him, although given the choice, were my endorsement of any relevence, it would certainly not go to you. He is not being selfish and demanding that everyone bow to his unreasonable demands. He is simply RPing CNN. You do not have the exclusive right to RP CNN. You will not get a Mod to enforce your exclusive right, because it doesn't exist. It's as simple as that.

Probably, OOCly at least. Why? Because bringing CNN to NationStates was my idea to begin with.

That's like the first person to start a war getting pissed off when everyone else starts having them. Grow up.

Really? You haven't heard of Siri, the ruler of Menelmacar? The sex symbol of NS? What about her arch-rival, Melkor, Lord of the Orcs? You've lost the infantesimal ammount of respect I've had for you. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about, so just leave. Now.

Hah! If your respect is based entirely on who I know, then I'm not sure I want it. Do you expect me to be jealous of you for hanging around with the celebrities or something? If Siri was in any way remotely important, I'd have seen one of her posts by now. The fact that you judge the relevence of an argument by 'who I know' shows how petty minded you really are.

By the way, you can't spell 'infinitesimal'

People are stopping me from RPing it as I choose, namily people like you who have no idea what the finer nuances of NationStates are.

Finer nuances? Don't make me LAUGH. That looks rather like a cryptic way of saying that you're right because you say you are.

'Finer nuances'... 'In the know'... What a load of self-important nonsense.

We can keep up this argument for as long as you want, it does nothing but good for the ol' post count. :wink:

I very much doubt it will go anywhere. You can sit and congratulate yourself on your 'finer nuances' for as long as you like. The simple fact is, everyone else will engage in freeform RP to their own rules, regardless of what you want.
Nimzonia
08-04-2004, 07:00
By telling Resi how to RP, you're forcing your rules on others at least as much as he is. Think about that for a minute. It's worth considering.

I'm not forcing any rules on him, unless you think refusing to allow him to force his rules on me counts as forcing my rules on him.

This is more of an explanation as to why anyone is justified in ignoring his claims, than an attempt to force rules on him.
08-04-2004, 07:30
I don't want to pick sides here at all but it looks like some ppl are agreeing with Resi so if that comes out to be the case I claim the following companies (alphabetical order, listed with ticker)

NOTE: If I'm claiming a company already controlled then I'd like to see a link to a post predating this one with such a claim and I'll with draw mine. Thank you

Company Name Ticker

+Exabyte Corp. EXBT
1-800 CONTACTS, INC. CTAC
1-800-ATTORNEY, Inc. ATTY
1-800-FLOWERS.COM FLWS
1MAGE Software, Inc. ISOL
1st Centennial Bancorp FCEN
1st Constitution Bancorp FCCY
1st Net Technologies, Inc. FNTT
1st Source Corp. SRCE
1st State Bancorp, Inc. FSBC
21st Century Holding Co. TCHC
21st Century Insurance TW
24/7 Real Media, Inc. TFSM
24Holdings Inc. TFHD
3CI Complete Compliance Company TCCC
3Com Corp. COMS
3D Systems Corp. TDSC
3DO Company THDOQ
3M Company MMM
3Si Holdings, Inc. TSIH
4 Kids Entertainment Inc. KDE
4-D Neuroimaging FDNX
4net Software Inc. FNSI
724 Solutions Inc. SVNX
7-Eleven, Inc. SE
800America.com, Inc. ACCO
8x8, Inc. EGHT
99 Cents Only Stores NDN
A Consulting Team, Inc. TACXC
A Novo Broadband, Inc. ANVB
A. Schulman, Inc. SHLM
A.B. Watley Group Inc. ABWG
A.C. Moore Arts & Crafts ACMR
A.D.A.M., Inc. ADAM
A.G. Edwards, Inc. AGE
A.M. Castle & Co. CAS
A.O. Smith Corp. AOS
A.P. Pharma, Inc. APPA
A.S.V., Inc. ASVI
A.T. Cross Company ATX
aaiPharma Inc. AAII
Aames Financial Corp. AMSF
AAON, Inc. AAON
AAR Corp. AIR
Aaron Rents, Inc. RNT
Aastrom Biosciences, Inc. ASTM
Abatix Corp. ABIX
Abaxis, Inc. ABAX
ABB Ltd (ADR) ABB
Abbey National plc (ADR) ABYNY
Abbott Laboratories ABT
ABC Bancorp ABCB
Aber Diamond Corp. ABER
Abercrombie & Fitch Co. ANF
Aberdeen Asia-Pacific FAX
Abgenix, Inc. ABGX
Abigail Adams Bancorp AANB
Abington Bancorp, Inc. ABBK
ABIOMED, Inc. ABMD
Abitibi-Consolidated ABY
Able Energy Inc. ABLE
Able Laboratories Inc. ABRX
Ableauctions.com, Inc. AAC
Ablest Inc. AIH
ABM Industries, Inc. ABM
ABN AMRO Holding N.V. (ADR) ABN
Abrams Industries, Inc. ABRI
Abraxas Petroleum Corp. ABP
ABSS, Corp. ABSP
Acacia Technologies Group ACTG
Acadia Realty Trust AKR
Acambis plc (ADR) ACAM
Acap Corp. ACPC
Accelr8 Technology Corp. AXK
Accenture Ltd ACN
Acceptance Insurance Cos. AICI
Access Anytime Bancorp AABC
Access Pharmaceuticals AKC
Access Solutions International ASIC
Access Worldwide Commun. AWWC
Accessity Corp. ACTY
Accesspoint Corp. ASAP
AccessTel, Inc. ATEL
Acclaim Entertainment AKLM
Accredited Home Lenders Holdings LEND
Accredo Health, Inc. ACDO
Accrue Software, Inc. ACRUQ
Accufacts Pre-Employment APES
AccuPoll Holding Corp. ACUP
ACE Cash Express, Inc. AACE
ACE Limited ACE
ACE*COMM Corp. ACEC
Aceto Corp. ACET
ACI Telecentrics, Inc. ACIT
ACLARA Biosciences, Inc. ACLA
ACM Income Fund, Inc. ACG
ACMAT Corp. ACMTA
ACME Communications, Inc. ACME
Acme United Corp. ACU
ACNB Corp. ACNB
Acorn Holding Corp. AVCC
ACR Group, Inc. ACRG
Acrodyne Communications ACRO
ACS-Tech 80 Ltd. ACSEF
ACT Teleconferencing ACTT
Actel Corp. ACTL
Action Performance Co's ATN
Action Products International APII
ActivCard Corp. ACTI
Active Link Communications ACVE
Active Power, Inc. ACPW
Activeworlds Corp. AWLD
Activision, Inc. ATVI
Actuant Corp. ATU
Actuate Corp. ACTU
Acuity Brands, Inc. AYI
Acusphere, Inc. ACUS
Acxiom Corp. ACXM
Adams Express Company ADX
Adams Golf, Inc. ADGO
Adams Resources & Energy, Inc. AE
Adaptec Inc. ADPT
ADB Systems International ADBY
ADC Telecommunications ADCT
ADDvantage Technologies ADDM
ADE Corp. ADEX
Adecco SA (ADR) ADO
Adept Technology, Inc. ADTK
ADM Tronics Unlimited, Inc. ADMT
Administaff, Inc. ASF
Administradora De Fondos PVD
Adobe Systems Inc. ADBE
Adolor Corp. ADLR
Adolph Coors Company RKY
AdPads, Inc. APAD
Adrian Resources Ltd. ADRRF
ADS Media Group, Inc. ADSM
AdStar, Inc. ADST
ADTRAN, Inc. ADTN
ADVA International, Inc. ADII
Advance Auto Parts, Inc. AAP
Advance Display Tech. ADTI
Advance Financial Bancorp AFBC
Advanced 3-D Ultrasound Systems ATDU
Advanced Communications ADVC
Advanced Digital Inform. ADIC
Advanced Energy Industrie AEIS
Advanced Engine Technology AENG
Advanced Environmental Re AERTA
Advanced Fibre Communications AFCI
Advanced Info Services AVIFY
Advanced Lighting Technology ADLTQ
Advanced Magnetics, Inc. AVM
Advanced Marketing Servic MKT
Advanced Materials Group, Inc. ADMG
Advanced Medical Optics, Inc. AVO
Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. AMD
Advanced Neuromodulation ANSI
Advanced Nutraceuticals ANII
Advanced Optics Electronics ADOT
Advanced Oxygen Technology AOXY
Advanced Photonix, Inc. API
Advanced Plant Pharmaceuticals APPI
Advanced Power Technology APTI
Advanced Recycling Scienc ARYC
Advanced Remote Comm. Solutions BTRKE
Advanced Semiconductor En ASX
Advanced Tissue Sciences ATISZ
Advanced Viral Research ADVR
AdvancePCS ADVP
Advancis Pharmaceutical Company AVNC
Advanta Corp. ADVNB
Advantage Marketing Systems AMM
Advant-E Corp. AVEE
Advantest Corp. (ADR) ATE
Advent Software, Inc. ADVS
Advisory Board Company ABCO
ADVO, Inc. AD
Advocat Inc. AVCA
Aegis Communications Group AGIS
AEGON N.V. (ADR) AEG
Aehr Test Systems AEHR
AEP Industries AEPI
AER Energy Resources, Inc. AERN
Aero Systems Engineering, Inc. AERS
AeroCentury Corp. ACY
Aeroflex Inc. ARXX
Aerogen, Inc. AEGND
Aeropostale, Inc. ARO
Aerosonic Corp. AIM
AES Corp. AES
AESP Inc. AESP
AEterna Laboratories, Inc. AELA
Aether Systems, Inc. AETH
Aethlon Medical, Inc. AEMD
Aetna Inc. AET
Aetrium, Inc. ATRM
AF Financial Group, Inc. ASFE
AFC Enterprises, Inc. AFCE
Affiliated Computer Services ACS
Affiliated Managers Group AMG
Affinity Technology Group AFFI
Affymetrix, Inc. AFFX
AFLAC Inc. AFL
AFP Imaging Corp. AFPC
Aftermarket Technology Company ATAC
Ag Services of America ASV
AG-Bag International Limited AGBG
AGCO Corp. AG
Age Research, Inc. AGER
Agere Systems, Inc. AGR.B
Agile Software Corp. AGIL
Agilent Technologies Inc. A
Agilysys, Inc. AGYS
AGL Resources Inc. ATG
Agnico-Eagle Mines Ltd. AEM
Agree Realty Corp. ADC
Agrium Inc. AGU
Aimglobal Technologies AIMG
Air Brook Airport Express ARBX
Air Canada, Inc. ACNAQ
Air Methods Corp. AIRM
Air Packaging Technologies, Inc. AIRP
Air Products & Chemicals, Inc. APD
Air T, Inc. AIRT
Airgas, Inc. ARG
AirGate PCS, Inc. PCSA
Airlease Ltd. AIRL
AirNet Communications ANCC
AirNet Systems, Inc. ANS
Airspan Networks, Inc. AIRN
AirTran Holdings, Inc. AAI
AirTrax, Inc. AITX
AK Steel Holding Corp. AKS
Akamai Technologies, Inc. AKAM
Akorn, Inc. AKRN
Aksys, Ltd. AKSY
Akzo Nobel N.V. (ADR) AKZOY
Alabama National BanCorpo ALAB
Aladdin Knowledge Systems ALDN
Alamo Group, Inc. ALG
Alamogordo Financial Corp. ALMG
Alamosa Holdings, Inc. ALMO
Alanco Technologies, Inc. ALAN
ALARIS Medical Systems Inc. AMI
Alaska Air Group, Inc. ALK
Alaska Communications Systems ALSK
Alaska Pacific Bancshares AKPB
Albany International Corp. AIN
Albany Molecular Research AMRI
Albemarle Corp. ALB
Albemarle First Bank AFBK
Alberto-Culver Company ACV
Albertson's, Inc. ABS
Alcan Inc. AL
Alcatel (ADR) ALA
Alcide Corp. ALCD
Alcoa Inc. AA
Alcon, Inc. ACL
Alderwoods Group Inc. AWGI
Aldila, Inc. ALDA
Alexander & Baldwin ALEX
Alexander's Inc. ALX
Alexandria RE Equities ARE
Alexion Pharmaceuticals ALXN
Alfa Corp. ALFA
Alfa International Corp. TYBR
Alfacell Corp. ACEL
Algiers Bancorp, Inc. ALGC
Algoma Steel, Inc. ALGOF
Alico, Inc. ALCO
Align Technology, Inc. ALGN
Alkermes, Inc. ALKS
All American Semiconducto SEMI
All-American SportPark AASP
Allcity Insurance Company ALCI
Alleghany Corp. Y
Allegheny Energy, Inc. AYE
Allegheny Technologies ATI
Allegiance Telecom, Inc. ALGXQ
Allegiant Bancorp, Inc. ALLE
Allen Organ Company AORGB
Allergan, Inc. AGN
Allergy Research Group ALRG
ALLETE, Inc. ALE
Alliance Atlantis Communications AACB
Alliance Bancorp of New England ANE
Alliance Capital Management AC
Alliance Data Systems ADS
Alliance Fiber Optic Products AFOP
Alliance Financial Corp. ALNC
Alliance Gaming Corp. AGI
Alliance Imaging Inc. AIQ
Alliance Pharmaceutical ALLP
Alliance Resource Partner ARLP
Alliance Semiconductor ALSC
Alliant Energy Corp. LNT
Alliant Techsystems Inc. ATK
Allianz AG (ADR) AZ
Allied Capital Corp. ALD
Allied Defense Group ADG
Allied Devices Corp. ALDVQ
Allied Domecq PLC (ADR) AED
Allied Healthcare International ADH
Allied Healthcare Product AHPI
Allied Holdings, Inc. AHI
Allied Irish Banks, plc. AIB
Allied Motion Technologies, Inc. AMOT
Allied Waste Industries, Inc. AW
Allin Corp. ALLN
Allmerica Financial Corp. AFC
Allos Therapeutics, Inc. ALTH
Allou Healthcare, Inc. ALUHQ
Alloy, Inc. ALOY
Allscripts Healthcare So. MDRX
Allstate Corp. ALL
Allstream Inc. ALLSB
Alltel Corp. AT
Almost Family, Inc. AFAM
Alpena Bancshares, Inc. ALPN
Alpha Pro Tech, Ltd. APT
Alpha Technologies Group ATGI
Alpha Virtual, Inc. AVRT
Alpharma Inc. ALO
AlphaStar Insurance Group ASIGF
AlphaTrade.com APTD
Alpine Group, Inc. ALPG
Altair Nanotechnologies, Inc. ALTI
Altana Group (ADR) AAA
Alteon Inc. ALT
Altera Corp. ALTR
Alternate Marketing Networks ALTM
Alternative Resources ALRC
Alternative Technology ATEK
Alterra Healthcare Corp. ATHCQ
Altex Industries, Inc. ALTX
AltiGen Communications ATGN
Altiris, Inc. ATRS
Altria Group, Inc. MO
Altris Software Inc. ALTS
Alumina Limited (ADR) AWC
Alvarion Ltd. ALVR
AM Communications, Inc. AMCM
Amalgamated Technologies, Inc. AGMN
Amarillo Biosciences, Inc. AMAR
Amarillo Mesquite Grill, Inc. MESQ
Amarin Corporation plc AMRN
Amazon.com, Inc. AMZN
AMB Financial Corp. AMFC
AMB Property Corp. AMB
Ambac Financial Group, Inc. ABK
AmBase Corp. ABCP
Ambassadors Group, Inc. EPAX
Ambassadors International AMIE
Ambient Corp. ABTG
AMC Entertainment Inc. AEN
Amcast Industrial Corp. AICO
AMCOL International Corp. ACO
AMCON Distributing Co. DIT
Amcor Limited (ADR) AMCR
AMCORE Financial, Inc. AMFI
AMDL, Inc. ADL
Amdocs Limited DOX
Amedisys, Inc. AMED
AMEN Properties, Inc. AMEN
Amer. 1st Tax Exempt Inv. ATAXZ
Amerada Hess Corp. AHC
AmerAlia, Inc. AALAE
AMERCO UHALQ
Ameren Corp. AEE
Ameriana Bancorp ASBI
America First Apartment APRO
America First Real Estate AFREZ
America Movil S.A. de C.V AMX
America Online Latin America AOLA
America Service Group Inc. ASGR
America West Holdings AWA
American Access Technology AATK
American Asset Management AAMC
American Axle & Manufact. AXL
American Bank Inc. (PA) AMBK
American Bank Note Holographic ABHH
American Biltrite Inc. ABL
American Bio Medica Corp. ABMC
American Biogenetic Scien MABAA
American Building Control ABCX
American Business Financial ABFI
American Capital Strategic ACAS
American Claims Evaluation AMCE
American Commerce Solutions AACS
American Community Bancshares ACBA
American Community Properties APO
American Dental Partners, Inc. ADPI
American Eagle Outfitters AEOS
American Ecology Corp. ECOL
American Education Company AEDU
American Electric Power AEP
American Energy Group AMEL
American Express Company AXP
American Financial Group AFG
American Financial Realty AFR
American Greetings Corp. AM
American HealthChoice, Inc. AMHI
American Healthways, Inc. AMHC
American Home Mortgage Ho AHMH
American HomePatient, Inc. AHOM
American Income Fund Inc. MRF
American Independence Corp. AMIC
American Insured Mort. 88 AIK
American Insured Mortgage AIA
American Insured Mortgage AII
American Insured Mortgage AIJ
American International Inc. AMIN
American Int'l Group, Inc. AIG
American Int'l Petroleum AIPN
American Israeli Paper Mi AIP
American Italian Pasta PLB
American Land Lease, Inc. ANL
American Locker Group Inc. ALGI
American Management Systems AMSY
American Medical Alert AMAC
American Medical Security AMZ
American Medical Systems AMMD
American Medical Technology ADLI
American Millennium Corp. AMCI
American Mortgage Accepta AMC
American National BankShares AMNB
American National Insurance ANAT
American Pacific Bank AMPB
American Pacific Corp. APFC
American Petro-Hunter Inc. AAPH
American Pharmaceutical P APPX
American Physicians Capital ACAP
American Physicians Services AMPH
American Power Conversion APCC
American Real Estate Part ACP
American Realty Investors ARL
American Residential Inve INV
American Retirement Corp. ACR
American River Holdings AMRB
American Safety Insurance ASI
American Science & Engine ASE
American Shared Hospital AMS
American Skiing Company AESK
American Software, Inc. AMSWA
American Soil Tech., Inc. SOYL
American Spectrum Realty, Inc. AQQ
American Standard Cos. ASD
American States Water Co. AWR
American Stone Industries AMST
American Superconductor AMSC
American Technical Ceramics AMK
American Technologies Group ATEG
American Technology Corp. ATCO
American Tower Corp. AMT
American Vanguard Corp. AVD
American Vantage Companies AVCS
American Wagering, Inc. BETM
American Woodmark Corp. AMWD
Americana Publishing, Inc. APBH
AmericanWest Bancorp. AWBC
America's Car-Mart, Inc. CRMT
Americas Power Partners APPNE
AmeriCredit Corp. ACF
AmeriGas Partners, L.P. APU
Amerigon Inc. ARGN
AMERIGROUP Corp. AGP
AmeriResource Tech., Inc. ARES
AmeriServ Financial, Inc. ASRV
AmerisourceBergen Corp. ABC
Ameristar Casinos, Inc. ASCA
Ameritrade Holding Corp. AMTD
Ameritrans Capital Corp. AMTC
Amerityre Corp. AMTY
AmeriVest Properties Inc. AMV
Ameron International Corp. AMN
Amersham plc (ADR) AHM
AmerUs Group Co. AMH
Ames National Corp. ATLO
Ametek, Inc. AME
AMF Bowling Worldwide, Inc. ABWIE
Amgen, Inc. AMGN
AMIS Holdings, Inc. AMIS
Amistar Corp. AMTA
Amkor Technology, Inc. AMKR
AML Communications, Inc. AMLJ
AMLI Residential Properties AML
AMN Healthcare Services AHS
Ampal-American Israel Corp. AMPL
Ampco-Pittsburgh Corp. AP
Ampex Corp. AXC
Amphenol Corp. APH
Amplidyne, Inc. AMPD
AMR Corp. AMR
AmREIT AMY
AMREP Corp. AXR
AmSouth Bancorporation ASO
AMSTAR Financial Services AMAF
AmSurg Corp. AMSG
Amtech Systems, Inc. ASYS
AMVESCAP PLC (ADR) AVZ
AMX Corp. AMXC
Amylin Pharmaceuticals AMLN
Anacomp, Inc. ANCPA
Anadarko Petroleum Corp. APC
ANADIGICS, Inc. ANAD
Analex Corp. NLX
Analog Devices, Inc. ADI
Analogic Corp. ALOG
Analysts International Company ANLY
Analytical Surveys, Inc. ANLT
Anaren, Inc. ANEN
ANC Rental Corp. ANCXQ
Anchor BanCorp Wisconsin ABCW
Anchor Glass Container Company AGCC
Anchor Pacific Underwrite APUX
Andersen Group, Inc. ANDR
Andersons, Inc. ANDE
Andrea Electronics Corp. AND
Andrew Corp. ANDW
Andrx Corp. ADRX
Angeion Corp. ANGN
Angelica Corp. AGL
Angelo & Maxie's, Inc. AGMX
Angiotech Pharmaceuticals ANPI
Anglo American plc (ADR) AAUK
Anglo Swiss Resources Inc. ASWRF
AngloGold Limited (ADR) AU
Anheuser-Busch Companies, Inc. BUD
Anika Therapeutics, Inc. ANIK
Anixter International Inc. AXE
Annaly Mortgage Managemen NLY
Annapolis Bancorp, Inc. ANNB
AnnTaylor Stores Corp. ANN
Annuity & Life RE Holding ANR
Ansell Limited (ADR) ANSL
Ansoft Corp. ANST
Answerthink, Inc. ANSR
ANSYS, Inc. ANSS
Antares Pharma, Inc. ANTR
Anteon International Corp. ANT
Antex Biologics, Inc. ANXB
Anthem, Inc. ATH
Anthony & Sylvan Pools SWIM
Anthony Clark Int'l Ins. ACKBF
Anthracite Capital Inc. AHR
Antigenics, Inc. AGEN
ANTs Software inc. ANTS
Anworth Mortgage Assets ANH
Anza Capital Inc. AZAC
Aon Corp. AOC
APA Optics, Inc. APAT
APAC Customer Services, Inc. APAC
Apache Corp. APA
Apartment Investment and AIV
Apasco S.A. De C.V. (ADR) AASAY
Apco Argentina Inc. APAGF
Apex Mortgage Capital AXM
Apex Silver Mines Limited SIL
Aphton Corp. APHT
API Electronics Group Inc. APIEF
APO Health, Inc. APOAE
Apogee Enterprises, Inc. APOG
Apogee Technology, Inc. ATA
Apogent Technologies Inc. AOT
Apollo Gold Corp. AGT
Apollo Group, Inc. APOL
Apolo Gold, Inc. APLL
Appiant Technologies Inc. APPS
Apple Computer, Inc. AAPL
Applebee's Int'l, Inc. APPB
Appliance Recycling Cntrs ARCI
Applica Inc. APN
Applied Biosystems Group ABI
Applied Digital Solutions ADSX
Applied Extrusion Technology AETC
Applied Films Corp. AFCO
Applied Imaging Corp. AICX
Applied Industrial Technology AIT
Applied Innovation Inc. AINN
Applied Materials, Inc. AMAT
Applied Medical Devices AMDI
Applied Micro Circuits Company AMCC
Applied Microsystems Corp. APMC
Applied Molecular Evolution AMEV
Applied Signal Technology APSG
Applix, Inc. APLX
Apria Healthcare Group Inc. AHG
Apropos Technology, Inc. APRS
APT Satellite Holdings (ADR) ATS
AptarGroup, Inc. ATR
Aptimus, Inc. APTM
APW Ltd. APWLQ
Aqua Care Systems AQCRE
Aquacell Technologies AQA
aQuantive Inc. AQNT
AquaPro Corp. AQRO
Aquatic Cellulose International AQCI
Aquila, Inc. ILA
Aquis Communications Group AQIS
Arabian American Developments ARSD
Aracruz Celulose S.A. (ADR) ARA
Aradigm Corp. ARDM
ARAMARK Corp. RMK
Arbitron Inc. ARB
Arbor EnTech Corp. ARBE
Arc Communications Inc. ACOC
ARC Wireless Solutions ARCS
ARCADIS NV (ADR) ARCAF
Arch Capital Group Ltd. ACGL
Arch Chemicals, Inc. ARJ
Arch Coal, Inc. ACI
Arch Wireless Inc. AWIN
Archer Daniels Midland Company ADM
Archon Corp. ARHN
Archstone-Smith Trust ASN
Arctic Cat, Inc. ACAT
Arden Group, Inc. ARDNA
Arden Realty, Inc. ARI
Arel Comm. & Software Ltd ARLC
Arena Pharmaceuticals ARNA
Arena Resources, Inc. ARD
Arete Industries, Inc. ARET
Argan, Inc. AGAX
Argonaut Group, Inc. AGII
Argonaut Technologies AGNT
Argosy Gaming Company AGY
ARI Network Services Inc. ARIS
Ariad Pharmaceuticals, Inc. ARIA
Ariba, Inc. ARBA
Aris Industries, Inc. AISI
Aristotle Corp. ARTL
Arizona Land Income Corp. AZL
Ark Restaurants Corp. ARKR
Arkansas Best Corp. ABFS
Arlington Hospitality Inc. HOST
ARM Holdings plc (ADR) ARMHY
Armanino Foods Of Distinc ARMF
Armor Holdings, Inc. AH
Armstrong Holdings, Inc. ACKHQ
Arotech Corp. ARTX
ArQule, Inc. ARQL
Array BioPharma Inc. ARRY
Arrhythmia Research Techn HRT
Arris Group, Inc. ARRS
Arrow Electronics, Inc. ARW
Arrow Financial Corp. AROW
Arrow International, Inc. ARRO
Arrow-Magnolia International ARWM
ARS Networks, Inc. ARSW
ART International Corp. ARIOF
Art Technology Group ARTG
Artemis International Solutions AMSI
Artesian Resources Corp. ARTNA
Artesyn Technologies, Inc. ATSN
ArthroCare Corp. ARTC
Arthur J. Gallagher & Co. AJG
Artificial Life, Inc. ALIF
Artisan Components, Inc. ARTI
Artisoft, Inc. ASFT
ARTISTdirect, Inc. ARTD
Art's-Way Manufacturing ARTW
ArvinMeritor, Inc. ARM
ASA International Ltd. ASAA
ASA Limited ASA
Asante Technologies, Inc. ASNT
ASAT Holdings Limited ASTT
ASB Financial Corp. (OH) ASBP
Asbury Automotive Group, Inc. ABG
Ascendant Solutions, Inc. ASDS
Ascent Assurance, Inc. AASR
Ascential Software Corp. ASCL
Asconi Corp. ACD
ASE Test Limited ASTSF
Ashanti Goldfields Co. (ADR) ASL
Ashford Hospitality Trust AHT
Ashland Inc. ASH
Ashworth, Inc. ASHW
Asia Fiber Holdings Limited AFBR
Asia Pacific Res. Ltd. APQCF
Asia Pacific Wire & Cable AWRCF
Asia Satellite Telecommun SAT
Asia Tigers Fund, Inc. GRR
AsiaInfo Holdings, Inc. ASIA
Asian Star Development ASDV
Ask Jeeves, Inc. ASKJ
ASM International N.V. (ADR) ASMI
ASML Holding N.V. (ADR) ASML
Aspect Communications ASPT
Aspect Medical Systems ASPM
Aspen Exploration Corp. ASPN
Aspen Group Resources Corp. ASPGF
Aspen Technology, Inc. AZPN
Assisted Living Concepts ASLC
Associated Banc-Corp ASBC
Associated Estates Realty AEC
Asta Funding, Inc. ASFI
Astea International Inc. ATEA
Astec Industries, Inc. ASTE
Astoria Financial Corp. AF
AstraZeneca PLC (ADR) AZN
Astrex, Inc. ASXI
Astrocom Corp. ATCCQ
Astro-Med, Inc. ALOT
Astronics Corp. ATRO
AstroPower, Inc. APWR
Asyst Technologies, Inc. ASYT
At Road, Inc. ARDI
AT&T Corp. T
AT&T Latin America Corp. ATTL
AT&T Wireless Services AWE
ATA Holdings Corp. ATAH
Atari, Inc. ATAR
ATC Healthcare, Inc. AHN
Atchison Casting Corp. AHNQE
AtheroGenics, Inc. AGIX
ATI Technologies Inc. ATYT
Atlantic American Corp. AAME
Atlantic BancGroup, Inc. ATBC
Atlantic Coast Airlines Holdings ACAI
Atlantic Data Services ADSC
Atlantic Liberty Financial ALFC
Atlantic Premium Brands, Inc. APBL
Atlantic Tele-Network,Inc ANK
Atlantis Plastics, Inc. AGH
Atlas Air Worldwide Holdings AAWH
Atlas Minerals Inc. ATMR
Atlas Pacific Limited (ADR) APCFY
Atlas Pipeline Partners, Inc. APL
Atlas Resources International ALRE
Atmel Corp. ATML
ATMI, Inc. ATMI
Atmos Energy Corp. ATO
ATP Oil & Gas Corp. ATPG
Atrion Corp. ATRI
Atrix Laboratories, Inc. ATRX
ATS Medical, Inc. ATSI
ATSI Communications, Inc. ATSC
Attunity Ltd. ATTU
Atwood Oceanics, Inc. ATW
ATX Communications, Inc. COMM
AU Optronics Corp (ADR) AUO
Auburn National Bancorpor AUBN
Audible, Inc. ADBL
AudioCodes Ltd. AUDC
Audiovox Corp. VOXX
August Technology Corp. AUGT
Ault Inc. AULT
Aura Systems Inc. AURA
Aurora Foods, Inc. AURF
Auspex Systems, Inc. ASPXQ
Australia and New Zealand ANZ
Auteo Media, Inc. AUTM
AuthentiDate Holding Corp. ADAT
Autobytel Inc. ABTL
Autodesk, Inc. ADSK
Auto-Graphics, Inc. AUGR
AutoImmune Inc. AIMM
AutoInfo, Inc. AUTO
Autoliv Inc. ALV
Automatic Data Processing ADP
AutoNation, Inc. AN
Autonomy Corporation plc AUTN
AutoTradeCenter, Inc. AUTC
AutoZone, Inc. AZO
Avado Brands, Inc. AVDO
Avalon Correctional Services CITY
Avalon Digital Marketing AVLNE
Avalon Gold Corp. AVGC
Avalon Holdings Corp. AWX
AvalonBay Communities AVB
Avanex Corp. AVNX
Avani International Group AVIT
Avanir Pharmaceuticals AVN
AVANT Immunotherapeutics, Inc. AVAN
Avatar Holdings Inc. AVTR
Avatex Corp. AVATQ
AVAX Technologies, Inc. AVXT
Avaya Inc. AV
Aventis (ADR) AVE
Avenue Entertainment Group PIXG
Avery Dennison Corp. AVY
AVI BioPharma, Inc. AVII
Aviall, Inc. AVL
Aviation General, Inc. AVGE
Avici Systems Inc. AVCI
Avid Technology, Inc. AVID
Avigen, Inc. AVGN
Avista Corp. AVA
Avistar Communications Company AVSR
Avitar, Inc. AVR
Avnet, Inc. AVT
Avocent Corp. AVCT
Avon Products, Inc. AVP
AVX Corp. AVX
Aware, Inc. AWRE
AXA (ADR) AXA
Axcan Pharma Inc. AXCA
Axcelis Technologies, Inc. ACLS
AXCESS Inc. AXSI
Axeda Systems Inc. XEDA
Axia Group, Inc. AXGR
Axis Capital Holdings Limited AXS
Axonyx Inc. AXYX
AXS-One Inc. AXO
Axsys Technologies, Inc. AXYS
AXT, Inc. AXTI
Axtive Corporation (DE) AXTV
Azco Mining Inc. AZMNE
Aztar Corp. AZR
Azurel Ltd. AZUR
AZZ Inc. AZZ
B&H Ocean Carriers Ltd. BHO
B. H. I. T. Inc. VHTI
B.O.S. Better OnLine Sol. BOSC
BAB, Inc. BABB
Bach-Hauser, Inc. BHUS
Back Yard Burgers, Inc. BYBI
BackWeb Technologies Ltd. BWEB
Badger Meter, Inc. BMI
Badger Paper Mills BPMI
Bairnco Corp. BZ
Baker Hughes Inc. BHI
Balchem Corp. BCP
Baldor Electric Company BEZ
Baldwin & Lyons, Inc. BWINB
Baldwin Technology Co. BLD
Ball Corp. BLL
Ballantyne of Omaha, Inc. BTNE
Ballard Power Systems BLDP
Ballistic Recovery System BRSI
Bally Total Fitness Holdings BFT
Baltimore Technologies pl BALTY
Bam! Entertainment, Inc. BFUN
Banc Corp. TBNC
BancFirst Corp. BANF
Bancinsurance Corp. BCIS
Banco de Chile (ADR) BCH
Banco Itau Holding Financ ITU
Banco Latinoamericano Delaware BLX
Banco Santander Central Holdings STD
Banco Santander-Chile (ADR) SAN
Bancolombia S.A. (ADR) CIB
Bancorp Rhode Island Inc. BARI
BancorpSouth, Inc. BXS
Bancroft Convertible Fund BCV
Bancshares of Florida, Inc. BOFL
BancTrust Financial Group BTFG
Bandag, Inc. BDG
Bandai Co., Ltd (ADR) BNDCY
Bank Mutual Corp. BKMUD
Bank of America Corp. BAC
Bank of Bermuda Limited BBDA
Bank of East Asia Ltd BKEAY
Bank of Granite Corp. GRAN
Bank of Hawaii Corp. BOH
Bank of Ireland (ADR) IRE
Bank of Marin BMRC
Bank of Montreal BMO
Bank of New York Co. BK
Bank of Nova Scotia BNS
Bank of SC Corp. BKSC
Bank of the Ozarks OZRK
Bank One Corp. ONE
BankAtlantic Bancorp, Inc. BBX
Banknorth Group, Inc. BNK
Bankrate, Inc. RATE
BankUnited Financial Corp. BKUNA
Banner Corp. BANR
Banta Corp. BN
Bar Harbor Bankshares BHB
Baran Group Ltd. BRAN
Barbeques Galore Limited BBQZ
Barclays PLC (ADR) BCS
Barnes & Noble, Inc. BKS
Barnes Group Inc. B
barnesandnoble.com inc. BNBN
Barneys New York, Inc. BNNY
Barnwell Industries, Inc. BRN
BarPoint.com, Inc. BPNT
Barr Laboratories, Inc. BRL
Barra, Inc. BARZ
Barrett Business Services BBSI
Barrick Gold Corp. ABX
Barrister Global Services BGNK
BASF AG (ADR) BF
Basic Earth Science BSIC
Bassett Furniture Ind. BSET
Battery Technologies Inc. BTIOQ
Bausch & Lomb Inc. BOL
Baxter International Inc. BAX
Bay Resources, Ltd. BYRE
Bay View Capital Corp. BVC
BayCorp Holdings, Ltd. MWH
Bayer AG (ADR) BAY
Baylake Corp. BYLK
Bayou Steel Corp. BAYUA
Baywood International, Inc. BYWD
BB&T Corp. BBT
BBJ Environmental Tech. BBJE
BBVA Banco BHIF (ADR) BB
BBVA Banco Frances S.A. (ADR) BFR
BBVA S.A. (ADR) BBV
BCE, Inc. BCE
BCSB Bankcorp, Inc. BCSB
BCT International, Inc. BCTI
BE Aerospace, Inc. BEAV
BE Semiconductor Industries BESI
BEA Systems, Inc. BEAS
Beacon Power Corp. BCON
Bear Stearns Companies BSC
Beard Company BRCO
BearingPoint, Inc. BE
Beasley Broadcast Group, Inc. BBGI
Beazer Homes USA, Inc. BZH
bebe stores, inc. BEBE
Beckman Coulter, Inc. BEC
Becton, Dickinson and Co. BDX
Bed Bath & Beyond Inc. BBBY
Bedford Property Investor BED
BEI Technologies, Inc. BEIQ
Bel Fuse, Inc. BELFB
Belden Inc. BWC
Bell Canada International BCICF
Bell Industries, Inc. BI
Bell Microproducts Inc. BELM
BellSouth Corp. BLS
Belmont Bancorp. BLMT
Belmont Resources Inc. BEOVF
Belo Corp. BLC
Bema Gold Corp. BGO
Bemis Company, Inc. BMS
Benchmark Bankshares, Inc. BMRB
Benchmark Electronics BHE
Benetton Group S.p.A. (ADR) BNG
Benihana, Inc. BNHNA
Bennett Environmental Inc. BEL
Benthos, Inc. BTHS
Bentley Pharmaceuticals, Inc. BNT
Beres Industries Inc. BERS
Berger Holdings, Ltd. BGRH
Berkeley Technology, Limited BKLYY
Berkshire Bancorp Inc. BERK
Berkshire Hathaway Inc. BRK.A
Berkshire Hills Bancorp. BHL
Bernard Chaus, Inc. CHBD
Berry Petroleum Company BRY
Best Buy Co., Inc. BBY
BestNet Communications BESC
Bestway, Inc. BSTW
Beta Oil & Gas, Inc. BETA
Bethlehem Steel Corp. BHMSQ
Beverly Enterprises BEV
Bexil Corp. BXL
BF Enterprises, Inc. BFEN
b-Fast Corp. BFTC
BFC Financial Corp. BFCFB
BG Group plc (ADR) BRG
BGI, Inc. BGII
BHA Group Holdings, Inc. BHAG
BHP Billiton Limited (ADR) BHP
BHP Billiton plc (ADR) BBL
Biacore International AB BCOR
BICO, Inc. BIKO
Big 5 Sporting Goods Corp. BGFV
Big Buck Brewery & Steakh BBUC
Big City Radio, Inc. YFM
Big Dog Holdings, Inc. BDOG
Big Lots, Inc. BLI
Big Rock Brewery Income Trust BRBMF
BigStar Entertainment, Inc. BGST
BindView Development BVEW
Bingham Financial Services BFSC
Bingo.com, Inc. (ADR) BIGR
Bioanalytical Systems, Inc. BASI
Biocoral, Inc. BCRA
BioCryst Pharmaceuticals, Inc. BCRX
BioDelivery Sciences Int' BDSI
Bioenvision Inc. BIV
Biofarm, Inc. BIOF
Biofield Corp. BZET
Biogan International, Inc. BIGM
Biogen, Inc. BGEN
Bio-Imaging Technologies BIT
Bioject Medical Technology BJCT
BIO-key International, Inc. BKYI
Biolase Technology, Inc. BLTI
BioLife Solutions, Inc. BLFS
Bio-Logic Systems Corp. BLSC
Bio-Lok International BLLI
BioMarin Pharmaceutical BMRN
Biomerica, Inc. BMRA
Biomet, Inc. BMET
Biometrics Security Techn BMTS
Biomira Inc. BIOM
Bion Environmental Technology BNETE
Bionova Holding Corp. BVA
Bionutrics, Inc. BNRX
Biophan Technologies, Inc. BIPH
Bio-Plexus, Inc. BPXS
BioProgress Plc BPGSF
BioPulse International BIOP
Biopure Corp. BPUR
Bio-Rad Laboratories, Inc. BIO
Bio-Reference Labs, Inc. BRLI
BioReliance Corp. BREL
BioSante Pharmaceuticals, Inc. BPA
Biosite Inc. BSTE
Bio-Solutions Int'l, Inc. BSIIE
BioSource International, Inc. BIOI
BioSpecifics Technologies BSTC
BioSphere Medical, Inc. BSMD
Biotech Holdings Ltd. BIOHF
BioTime, Inc. BTX
BioTransplant Inc. BTRNQ
Biovail Corp. BVF
BIOZHEM Cosmeceuticals BZHM
Birmingham Steel Corp. BIRS
Birner Dental Mgmt. Svcs. BDMS
Bishop Capital Corp. BPCC
Bison Instruments, Inc. BSOI
BISYS Group, Inc. BSG
Bitstream Inc. BITS
BIW Limited BIW
Biznessonline.com BIZZ
BJ Services Company BJS
BJ's Wholesale Club, Inc. BJ
BKF Capital Group, Inc. BKF
Black & Decker Corp. BDK
Black Box Corp. BBOX
Black Hills Corp. BKH
Black Warrior Wireline Company BWWL
BlackRock Income Trust BKT
BlackRock, Inc. BLK
Blair Corp. BL
Blockbuster Inc. BBI
Blonder Tongue Labs, Inc. BDR
Blount International, Inc. BLT
Blue Chip Value Fund BLU
Blue Coat Systems, Inc. BCSI
Blue Dolphin Energy Compa BDCO
Blue Martini Software BLUE
Blue Rhino Corp. RINO
Blue Ridge Real Estate Company BLRGZ
Blue River Bancshares, Inc. BRBI
Blue Square-Israel Ltd. (ADR) BSI
Bluefly, Inc. BFLY
Bluegreen Corp. BXG
BluePhoenix Solutions, Ltd. BPHX
Blyth, Inc. BTH
BMC Industries, Inc. BMMI
BMC Software, Inc. BMC
BNCCORP, Inc. BNCC
BNP Residential Properties BNP
BNS Co. BNSXA
Boardwalk Equities Inc. BEI
Bob Evans Farms, Inc. BOBE
BOC Group plc (ADR) BOX
Boca Resorts, Inc. RST
BOE Financial Services of Virginia BSXT
Boehler-Uddeholm AG (ADR) BDHHY
Boeing Company BA
Bogen Communications BOGN
Boise Cascade Corp. BCC
BOK Financial Corp. BOKF
Bolt Technology Corp. BTJ
Bombay Company, Inc. BBA
Bone Care International, Inc. BCII
Bonso Electronics International BNSO
Bon-Ton Stores, Inc. BONT
Bookham Technology plc (ADR) BKHM
Books-A-Million, Inc. BAMM
Boots & Coots Intl. Well WEL
Borders Group, Inc. BGP
Borealis Exploration Ltd. BOREF
BorgWarner Inc. BWA
Borland Software Corp. BORL
Boss Holdings, Inc. BSHI
Boston Acoustics, Inc. BOSA
Boston Beer Company, Inc. SAM
Boston Biomedica, Inc. BBII
Boston Communications Grp BCGI
Boston Life Sciences Inc. BLSI
Boston Private Financial BPFH
Boston Properties, Inc. BXP
Boston Restaurant Associa BRAI
Boston Scientific Corp. BSX
BostonFed Bancorp, Inc. BFD
Bottomline Technologies EPAY
BounceBackTechnologies.co BBTC
Boundless Corp. BDLSQ
Bovie Medical Corp. BVX
Bowater Inc. BOW
Bowl America Inc. BWL.A
Bowne & Co., Inc. BNE
Boyd Bros. Transportation BOYD
Boyd Gaming Corp. BYD
Boyds Collection, Ltd FOB
Boykin Lodging Company BOY
BP p.l.c. (ADR) BP
BP Prudhoe Bay Royalty Trust BPT
Bradley Pharmaceuticals, Inc. BDY
Brady Corp. BRC
Braintech, Inc. BRHI
BrandAid Marketing Corp. BAMK
Brandmakers, Inc. BMKSE
BrandPartners Group, Inc. BPTR
Brandywine Realty Trust BDN
Brantley Capital Corp. BBDC
Brascan Corp. BNN
Brasil Telecom Part. S.A. BRP
Braskem S.A. (ADR) BAK
Brass Eagle Inc. XTRM
Braun Consulting, Inc. BRNC
Bravo! Foods International BRVO
Brazil Fast Food Corp. BOBS
Brazil Fund BZF
BRE Properties, Inc. BRE
Breakwater Resources Ltd. BWLRF
BREK Energy Corp. BREK
Bresler & Reiner, Inc. BRER
BRIAZZ, Inc. BRZZ
Bridge Bancorp, Inc. BDGE
Bridge Street Financial OCNB
Bridge Technology, Inc. BRDG
Bridgford Foods Corp. BRID
Briggs & Stratton Corp. BGG
Brigham Exploration Co. BEXP
Bright Horizons Family BFAM
Brightpoint, Inc. CELL
BrightStar Info. Tech. Gp BTSR
Brillian Corp. BRLC
Brilliance China Automotive CBA
Brilliant Digital Enterta BDE
Brinker International EAT
Brink's Company BCO
Bristol-Myers Squibb Co. BMY
BriteSmile, Inc. BSML
British Airways plc (ADR) BAB
British American Tobacco BTI
British Energy plc (ADR) BGY
British Sky Broadcasting BSY
Britton & Koontz Capital BKBK
BRL Holdings, Inc. BRLN
Broadcom Corp. BRCM
Broadleaf Capital Partner BDLF
Broadview Media, Inc. BDVM
BroadVision, Inc. BVSN
Broadway Financial Corp. BYFC
Brocade Communications Systems BRCD
Bronze Marketing, Inc. BNZE
Brooke Corp. BXX
Brookfield Homes Corp. BHS
Brookfield Properties Corp. BPO
Brookline Bancorp, Inc. BRKL
Brooks Automation, Inc. BRKS
Brookstone, Inc. BKST
Brooktrout, Inc. BRKT
Brown & Brown, Inc. BRO
Brown Shoe Company, Inc. BWS
Brown-Forman Corp. BF.B
BRT Realty Trust BRT
Bruker BioSciences Corp. BRKR
Brunswick Bancorp BRB
Brunswick Corp. BC
Brush Engineered Material BW
Bryn Mawr Bank Corp. BMTC
BSB Bancorp, Inc. BSBN
BSD Medical Corp. BSDM
BSQUARE Corp. BSQR
BT Group plc (ADR) BTY
BTU International, Inc. BTUI
BUCA, Inc. BUCA
Buckeye Partners, L.P. BPL
Buckeye Technologies Inc. BKI
Buckhead America Corp. BUCK
Buckle, Inc. BKE
Budget Group, Inc. BDGPA
Buhrmann N.V. (ADR) BUH
Building Materials Holdings BMHC
Bull Run Corp. BULL
Bulova Corp. BULV
Bunge Limited BG
Bunzl plc (ADR) BNL
Burke Mills, Inc. BMLS
Burlington Coat Factory W BCF
Burlington Industries BRLGQ
Burlington Northern Santa BNI
Burlington Resources Inc. BR
Burst.com, Inc. BRST
Bush Industries, Inc. BSH
Business Bancorp BZBC
Business Objects S.A. (ADR) BOBJ
BusinessWay Int'l Corp. BITL
Butler International, Inc. BUTL
Butler Manufacturing Company BBR
Butler National Corp. BUKS
Buy It Cheap.com, Inc. BYCC
BWC Financial Corp. BWCF
C&D Technologies, Inc. CHP
C&F Financial Corp. CFFI
C.H. Robinson Worldwide CHRW
C.R. Bard, Inc. BCR
C2, Inc. CTOO
C-3D Digital, Inc. CDDT
Cable and Wireless plc (ADR) CWP
Cable Design Technologies CDT
Cabletel Communications Company TTV
Cablevision Systems Corp. CVC
Cabot Corp. CBT
Cabot Microelectronics CCMP
Cabot Oil & Gas Corp. COG
Cache, Inc. CACH
CACI International, Inc. CAI
Cadbury Schweppes plc (ADR) CSG
Cade Struktur Corp. CADKF
Cadema Corp. CIBM
Cadence Design Systems CDN
Cadence Resources Corp. CDNR
Cadiz, Inc. CLCI
Cadmus Communications CDMS
Cadus Corp. KDUS
CAE, Inc. CGT
Cagle's, Inc. CGL.A
Cal Dive International, Inc. CDIS
Cala Corp. CCAA
Calavo Growers, Inc. CVGW
Caledonia Mining Corp. CALVF
Calgon Carbon Corp. CCC
Calico Commerce, Inc. CLIC
California Amplifier CAMP
California Beach Restaurant CBHR
California Coastal Communications CALC
California First National CFNB
California Independent Bank CIBN
California Micro Devices CAMD
California Pizza Kitchen CPKI
California Water Services CWT
Caliper Technologies Corp. CALP
Call Now, Inc. CLNW
Callaway Golf Company ELY
Call-Net Enterprises Inc. CNEZF
Callon Petroleum Company CPE
Calloway's Nursery, Inc. CLWY
Call-Solutions, Inc. CSOL
Cal-Maine Foods, Inc. CALM
Calpine Corp. CPN
Calprop Corp. CLPO
Calton, Inc. CN
Calypte Biomedical Corp. CYPT
CAM Commerce Solutions, Inc. CADA
Cambex Corp. CBEX
Cambior, Inc. CBJ
Cambrex Corp. CBM
Cambridge Antibody Tech. CATG
Cambridge Energy Corp. CNGG
Cambridge Heart, Inc. CAMH
Camco Financial Corp. CAFI
Camden National Corp. CAC
Camden Property Trust CPT
Cameco Corp. CCJ
Camelot Corp. CAML
Camera Platforms International CPFR
CaminoSoft Corp. CMSF
Campbell Resources, Inc. CBLRF
Campbell Soup Company CPB
Camtek LTD. CAMT
Canada Southern Petroleum CSPLF
Canadian Imperial Bank BCM
Canadian National Railway CNI
Canadian Natural Resource CNQ
Canadian Pacific Railway CP
Canadian Superior Energy SNG
Canal Capital Corp. COWP
Canarc Resource Corp. CRCUF
CanArgo Energy Corp. GUSH
Can-Cal Resources Ltd. CCRE
Candela Corp. CLZR
Candie's, Inc. CAND
Candlewood Hotel Company, Inc. CNDL
Cannon Express, Inc. AB
Cannondale Corp. BIKEQ
Canon Inc. (ADR) CAJ
Cantel Medical Corp. CMN
Canterbury Consulting Group CITI
Canterbury Park Holding ECP
CanWest Global Communications CWG
Canyon Resources Corp. CAU
Cap Rock Energy Corp. RKE
Capco Energy, Inc. CPEG
Capital Alliance Income CAA
Capital Automotive REIT CARS
Capital Bank Corp. CBKN
Capital Beverage Corp. CBEV
Capital City Bank Group, Inc. CCBG
Capital Corp. of the West CCOW
Capital Crossing Bank CAPX
Capital Environmental Resources CERI
Capital Gold Corp. CGLD
Capital Media Group Ltd. CPMG
Capital One Financial Corp. COF
Capital Pacific Holdings, Inc. CPH
Capital Properties, Inc. CPI
Capital Senior Living Corp. CSU
Capital Southwest Corp. CSWC
Capital Title Group, Inc. CTGI
Capital Trust, Inc. CT
CapitalSource, Inc. CSE
Capitol Bancorp Ltd. CBC
Capitol Federal Financial CFFN
Caprius, Inc. CAPR
Capstead Mortgage Corp. CMO
Capstone Turbine Corp. CPST
Captaris, Inc. CAPA
Captiva Software Corp. CPTV
Caraco Pharmaceutical Lab CPD
Caraustar Industries, Inc. CSAR
CARBO Ceramics Inc. CRR
Cardiac Science, Inc. DFIB
Cardima, Inc. CRDM
Cardinal Financial Corp. CFNL
Cardinal Health, Inc. CAH
CardioDynamics Int'l Corp. CDIC
CardioGenesis Corp. CGCP
Cardiome Pharma Corp. COMRF
CardioTech International, Inc. CTE
CareAdvantage, Inc. CADV
CareCentric, Inc. CREC
Career Education Corp. CECO
Caremark Rx, Inc. CMX
Carlisle Companies, Inc. CSL
Carlisle Holdings Ltd. CLHL
Carlton Communications Pl CCTVY
CarMax, Inc. KMX
Carmike Cinemas, Inc. CKEC
Carnival Corp. CCL
Carnival plc (ADR) CUK
Carpenter Technology Corp. CRS
CarrAmerica Realty Corp. CRE
Carreker Corp. CANI
Carriage Services, Inc. CSV
Carrier Access Corp. CACS
Carrington Laboratories, Inc. CARN
Carrizo Oil & Gas, Inc. CRZO
Carrollton Bancorp CRRB
Carter's Inc. CRI
Carver Bancorp, Inc. CNY
CAS Medical Systems CAMY
Cascade Bancorp CACB
Cascade Corp. CAE
Cascade Financial Corp. CASB
Cascade Natural Gas Corp. CGC
Casella Waste Systems CWST
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The Resi Corporation
08-04-2004, 08:31
*a sh1tload of spam*
Oy... you're completely missing the point. The point is that if you're going to claim all those companies, you better be willing to not only pay money for each and every single one of them, but to RP the takeover of each and every single one. That means 1,563 seperate RPs, which is the only thing that stops nations like yours from taking all those companies. I RPed the takeover of CNN long ago, and did a very legit job of it and payed a very large sum for all of Turner Broadcasting (somewhere in the neighborhood of $10 billion, I believe). It was a legitimate RP, and a legitimate takeover. I have yet to see the 1,563 (and yes, I counted) RPs that such a corporate grab requires.
I'm not forcing any rules on him, unless you think refusing to allow him to force his rules on me counts as forcing my rules on him. Well, it kind of does, actually. You're forcing your beliefs on me, whether they be for action or against action.
This is more of an explanation as to why anyone is justified in ignoring his claims, than an attempt to force rules on him.I seem to recall that Siri, a much bigger capitalist than I, has done much the same thing that I have here with her Frenor Holdings Group, buying up smaller businesses and conglomerating them. Of course, you have no bloody idea who Siri is, so the example falls in the crapper due to your ignorance of NationStates. Not my problem, certainly yours.
That's rather like saying that ignoring a n00b when he attacks you with 2321234123 n00ks, is infringing on his right to RP a war as he wants. If the way you want to RP involves treading all over other people, then you don't have a right to it, because RP requires a certain amount of give and take. If someone doesn't RP the way you want them to, you cannot force them to; you can only ignore them.And currently, it's my turn to take, because I had to give $10 billion. Even if it wasn't to a player. See where I'm going?
Just because I'm not endorsing you does not mean I'm endorsing him, although given the choice, were my endorsement of any relevence, it would certainly not go to you. He is not being selfish and demanding that everyone bow to his unreasonable demands. He is simply RPing CNN. You do not have the exclusive right to RP CNN. You will not get a Mod to enforce your exclusive right, because it doesn't exist. It's as simple as that.I didn't say I would get a Mod to do any such thing. In fact, if I were a Mod, I'd stear clear of all of this in hopes that it settles down on its own. Only once it turns into a spam-fest like EP was happy to create would I look into shutting this thread down.
That's like the first person to start a war getting pissed off when everyone else starts having them. Grow up.No, actually, it's nothing like that. Bringing CNN into NationStates is economic RP, which is distinctly different than war. When I created CNN for my nation to buy, I wasn't trying to start trouble.
Hah! If your respect is based entirely on who I know, then I'm not sure I want it. Do you expect me to be jealous of you for hanging around with the celebrities or something? If Siri was in any way remotely important, I'd have seen one of her posts by now. The fact that you judge the relevence of an argument by 'who I know' shows how petty minded you really are.Flaming, blaitent flaming. Siri is such a major player in NS that it really surprises me that you don't know who she is. She is, in fact, a moderator even. She is one of THE MOST, if not the MOST known person in NationStates. Not knowing who Siri is here is like not knowing who Jesus is in real life.
By the way, you can't spell 'infinitesimal'
By the way, I don't care.
Finer nuances? Don't make me LAUGH. That looks rather like a cryptic way of saying that you're right because you say you are.Duh. That's all I have to say. :P
'Finer nuances'... 'In the know'... What a load of self-important nonsense.Actually, I prefer to call it filler.
I very much doubt it will go anywhere. You can sit and congratulate yourself on your 'finer nuances' for as long as you like. The simple fact is, everyone else will engage in freeform RP to their own rules, regardless of what you want.Oh? I've stopped things like this before even when I had less reason to. Take robots for example, I've stopped competition by threatening lawsuits I know I couldn't win. This, however, is different. Find me a truly unbiased judge, and I'll win this suit.
Bonstock
08-04-2004, 08:40
As well-spoken and as well-put as this post may be, I'm afraid we can't allow you to have this nation.

Why?

Because we already own CNN. We've owned it, and all of Turner Broadcasting, for a very long time. We RPed its takeover a long long time ago. Don't believe us? Ask Menelmacar. She's wanted it sense we aquired it.

However, if you state the fact that you're a Resi-owned media station when it's appropriate (and by that I mean at least once in every post that you use the CNN name), we'll consider you a valid nation and not sue you for copyright infringement. How does that sound?

Resi, just an irony I'd like to point out, if someone hasn't already. You're a government. Perhaps one owned by a conglomerate of international corporations, but still a government. By "owning" Turner Broadcasting, you have, in a sense, nationalized them. I.E., for all your anti-communist rhetoric, you actually practice a socialist act of corporate nationalization.

Unless your country is not a country but rather a multitude of corporate employees spread in every corner of the world. I don't think that's what you are, considering that you RP as a recognized sovreign nation.
Bonstock
08-04-2004, 08:45
...Can't everyone just find their own acronym?

I did. Bonstocknian Sattelite Television (BSTV) has appeared in virtually every conflict I've had. No RL copyright violations, same effect.

And also, this is NS. CNN, Turner Broadcasting, AOL-Time Warner, and the like DONT EXIST.
08-04-2004, 09:21
I could very well get myself a post bot and post every one of those because they are all traded on the Dow jones or TSE what ev. (and probably be banned in the proccess but lets not go there eh?)


Resi.

One where is the post of this fabled RP? (Not that I'm doubting you, seriously, but it make you seem more validated in this attack)

Two If you are going to recognize the claims of realife nations then perhaps you can tell me which country currently occupies RL USA and what their policies on bussiness are?

three Even if you do have a legal leg to stand on there is no NS body available to try him in

four same as above but read enforce

five can I see some posts or copies of TGs where you have talked to other ppl about their infringement on your CNN brand name.

six Even if you are 100% correct you are still driving away a new and unique type of RP that you, given the legal rights to the CNN brand, didn't think off (or atleast continously follow through on)

seven has CNN actually done anything since you aquired it or has it sat? In which case it'd not the giant it once was, with its staff getting old over the years, socialist anti private enterprise invading countries with CNN offices etc

personally I'd like hyphen CNN to post again to hear his thoughts, this being his thread and all
Nimzonia
08-04-2004, 15:01
Flaming, blaitent flaming. Siri is such a major player in NS that it really surprises me that you don't know who she is. She is, in fact, a moderator even. She is one of THE MOST, if not the MOST known person in NationStates. Not knowing who Siri is here is like not knowing who Jesus is in real life.
Funny how it's only a flame when I do it. You are being far more obnoxious, with all your daft 'finer nuances' rhetoric.

And, if you want to worship Siri, that's entirely up to you. Just because someone is the MOST important from your insignificant perspective, does not mean the same goes for everyone. I see far more posts from nations such as Euroslavia, Iuthia, Aust and the like, but I'm not declaring them more important. It depends entirely on which RPs you prefer to take part in, and I tend to avoid most becasue of the rampant n00bishness, and the inability of most people to actually roleplay; you strike me as another of those types who regard RP as a competition where you have to win at the expense of other players.

And currently, it's my turn to take, because I had to give $10 billion. Even if it wasn't to a player. See where I'm going?
You did not 'give' $10 billion. You have never in your life had $10 billion, and if you did, you'd have better things to do than argue this with me. You sacrificed absolutely nothing to 'gain' CNN, you simply declared that it was yours. The value is meaningless. Billions are nothing in NS.

No, actually, it's nothing like that. Bringing CNN into NationStates is economic RP, which is distinctly different than war. When I created CNN for my nation to buy, I wasn't trying to start trouble.

In other words, meta-gaming. Corporations do not spring into existence for the sole purpose of you buying them.

I'd like to see a single example of an economic RP you've participated in, surrounding CNN.

I RPed the takeover of CNN long ago, and did a very legit job of it and payed a very large sum for all of Turner Broadcasting (somewhere in the neighborhood of $10 billion, I believe). It was a legitimate RP, and a legitimate takeover
No, you GODMODed the takeover of CNN. Since you were RPing the interests of the owners of CNN as well as yourself, it was no different to invading a puppet. Also, it amounts to meta-gaming, in that you took advantage of OOC circumstances; many nations who may want to RP CNN, had not been created, and would not have been able to make a bid. Declaring that all other nations created since were not ICly in existence at that time, is forcing their history upon them, when many of these nations will want to RP histories going back into the middle ages and earlier. You may well justify it with 'Tough, I got here first', but that's an entirely OOC justification, and amounts to OOC selfishness.

Take robots for example, I've stopped competition by threatening lawsuits I know I couldn't win.
Lawsuits are an IC action. You cannot win a lawsuit against someone who doesn't recognise your IC existence.
Nimzonia
08-04-2004, 15:25
I think that's the last I can be bothered with, on this matter. You think you're right, I think I'm right, and we don't seem to be understanding each other sufficiently for any actual convincing to be happening.

If you want to have the last word, go ahead, but I'm not going to review this topic again (I mean it this time!), so it won't do you much good. No progress is being made here, because we are both being stubborn, and I daresay we could keep on making counter-arguments forever (or at least, I can :wink: ).

If this bordered on flaming, then I'm sorry; I don't intend to flame, I just have a habit of debating in a highly condescending manner. I don't personally think anything I've said counts as a flame, but it all depends on how you take it, doesn't it?

Basically, as much as you may like to, you cannot force me to recognise your claims, because if they contravene my personal RP world view, I can IGNORE you, like I IGNOREd Doujin's super ship. If you don't like it, IGNORE me. If you don't like it when anyone else does it, IGNORE them. I will RP the way I see fit, and anyone who disapproves of it, does not have to interact with me. If -CNN- does not want to recognise your claim to CNN, then IGNORE him. That's really all there is to it.

The end.
08-04-2004, 17:49
Bump
Patoxia
08-04-2004, 17:52
An uninformed and unwanted third party buts in with his opinion.

I somehow doubt that -CNN- is going to get very far as a news organization by ignoring a major player like Resi, so what about Restyling it as the NSNN. The NationStates News Network, with the NN at the end, the majority of people will realize that it is a CNN-like service giving it almost the same impact as CNN and I do not think that anyone owns NSNN.
Crookfur
08-04-2004, 17:57
Bah just leave it Resi it isn't important. it is an absolute mine feild and soemthing best left alone it has so many IC and OOC issues.
It might not even be "the CNN" and the CNN you claim to have might not even be the "CNN" but then we get into the whole fun fun world of copyright and trademark legislation...

Personally i had no idea who on earth Siri other than a vague idea about soem weird nation from the NS, mods and general section. Do i know who the "big" players are? maybe its aye, maybe it no, does it really matter? not a bit as i am very unlikely to ever RP with them (what with them very seldom visiting II and ofteninvolving orks or elves or anime which i have nothing against but can't Rp with).

Of course this thread doesn't bother me for anything other than an ethical belief that a degree of harrassment is taking place, seeing as i would be very unliekly to Rp with either of you (what with Resi being future tech and unless he was to go back to the days when he was merely microsoft/IBM sized) and the fact that other than the CFBC and ITN (not the ITN just the crookfur equivelent) very little media is likely to have a license to broadcast within Crookfur.

Oh and NS/II wide news service has already been done, they might have a more tangable interest in this.
08-04-2004, 17:58
An uninformed and unwanted third party buts in with his opinion.

I somehow doubt that -CNN- is going to get very far as a news organization by ignoring a major player like Resi, so what about Restyling it as the NSNN. The NationStates News Network, with the NN at the end, the majority of people will realize that it is a CNN-like service giving it almost the same impact as CNN and I do not think that anyone owns NSNN.

How about backing of pal, because my CNN stands for Constant NationStates Network.

Resi knows that as well. :)
Tiborita
08-04-2004, 18:32
You're a government.
Actually, we're all nations. There's no reason anyone can't RP privite industry of their nation.

I did. Bonstocknian Sattelite Television (BSTV) has appeared in virtually every conflict I've had. No RL copyright violations, same effect.
I made up my own also, but now, I think I'm going to use CNN.

Anyway...

*flips of TV*

Alright -CNN-. What's going on in the world?
08-04-2004, 18:45
You're a government.
Actually, we're all nations. There's no reason anyone can't RP privite industry of their nation.

I did. Bonstocknian Sattelite Television (BSTV) has appeared in virtually every conflict I've had. No RL copyright violations, same effect.
I made up my own also, but now, I think I'm going to use CNN.

Anyway...

*flips of TV*

Alright -CNN-. What's going on in the world?

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=137934
The Resi Corporation
09-04-2004, 00:51
*shrugs off all the crap thus far by Nimzonia and others*
If you want to find the RP, you can search through my history. You'll probably stumble upon it when you reach my RP's from October of last year. What? You're too lazy to look? Join the club.

CNN and I are negotiating pleasantly face-to-face. I saw that it was pointless to justify myself before Nimzonia or anyone else, because that doesn't really matter. The only opinion that really matters is CNN's, which is why I'm fully willing to negotiate with him, and I'm assuming that he's willing to negotiate with me. I don't care if those nations who defame me ignore me, because I never have RPed with any of you, and at this rate I'm not sure if I want to. Well, one of you I have RPed with, but I know that nation won't ignore me, we've done too much together.

So, without further ado, I turn this thread over to -CNN-, who I will continue to talk to by telegram. I really, seriously recommend that a mod clean up this thread now.