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The Empire of Layarteb today tested a new version of the MIM-104 Patriot PAC-3 missile. The previous version, the MIM-104G Patriot PAC-3 REM, which stands for range-enhanced missile, has been surpass now by the MIM-104H Patriot PAC-3 REM-ER, which stands fro range-enhanced missile extended-range. The MIM-104H weighs in at 1,847 lb. 847 lb. more then the G model. The missile has a maximum ceiling of 180,000 feet and can engage targets as far away as 155 miles. Minimum range is set at 1 mile and minimum altitude at 200 feet. This version utilizes the same hit-to-kill warhead as the PAC-3 missile but incorporates a solidified ECCM system that is second to none and a guidance improvement such that it may use imaging infra-red, like that of the AIM-9X Sidewinder, and the same radar guidance as the PAC-3. Each missile costs $7.5M and a single launcher can carry eight of them. The Mach 5.5 missile is top of the line in air defense and also serves the ABM role against theater launched missiles.

Amid war with Dnalkrad, the successful test of this system is essential to the moral defeat of the enemy. The missile is being deployed in Patriot sites around Layarteb and in Dnalkrad where the EOL has set them up already. Each site, containing sixteen launch vehicles has four launch vehicles for MIM-104F Patriot PAC-3 missiles, which are standard baseline PAC-3 missiles, eight launchers for the MIM-104G, and four launchers for the MIM-104H.

With the introduction of this version all PAC-2 missiles are being withdrawn from service. The version in service is the MIM-104E Patriot PAC-2 GEM. Only MIM-104F, G, and H missiles defend Layarteb in terms of Patriot systems.

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Could these things be used to shoot down a Trident or other types of Balistic Missiles?

Could these things be used to shoot down a Trident or other types of Balistic Missiles?

In theory, sort of. An SLBM, by nature is a very difficult missile to down since it is launched so close to the target country. It is better suited for shooting down cruise missiles, Scud and Scud-type missiles, and other TBMs. Systems like the SS-20 Saber can be easily downed with this weapon system but ICBMs such as Satan or Minuteman III missiles are significantly harder to down not because of guidance but because of size. Large ballisitic missiles are more easily downed with the Piranaha ABM system and the Sky Saber ABM system, which have much bigger ranges and larger warhead sections.

Though yes, in theory the PAC-3 REM and REM-ER can down ICBMs and SLBMs but due to their range limitations (versus the Sky Saber and Piranaha) they would not be used as such unless it was desparate.

Here are some specs:

MIM-104G/H Patriot Advanced Capability 3 REM/REM-ER

Role: Anti Theater Ballistic Missile, Surface to Air Missile
Length: 17.41 ft.
Finspan: 1.66 ft.
Diameter: 0.83 ft.
Weight: 1,000 lb. [G]; 1,847 [H]
Speed: Mach 5.5
Ceiling: 197 - 100,000 ft. [G]; 197 - 180,000 ft. [H]
Range: 1 - 85 mi [G]; 1 - 155 mi [H]
Propulsion: Solid fueled rocket
Warhead: Hit-to-Kill + 161 lb. blast frag warhead
Single-Shot Kill %: 98%
Maximum G Ability: 40
Launcher Capacity: 8
Cost: $5.0M [MIM-104G missile]; $7.5M [MIM-104H missile]
Site: Integrated with Patriot site (4 launchers per site)
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MIM-169A Sky Sabre

Role: Anti-Ballistic Missile
Length: 25.17 ft.
Finspan: 5.25 ft.
Diameter: 1.20 ft.
Weight: 5,000 lb.
Speed: 6,000 mph
Ceiling: 100 mi
Range: 700 mi [aircraft]; 500 mi [cruise missile]; 400 mi [ICBM]
Area Coverage: 384,650 sq. mi
Propulsion: 3 stage rocket design
Warhead: Hit-to-Kill
Single-Shot Kill %: 99% [aircraft]; 98% [ICBM]; 92% [cruise missile]
Maximum G Ability: +32G
Launcher Capacity: 10
Cost: $3.2M [missile]; $2.8M [launcher]; $34.8M [each launcher fully loaded]; $400M
Site: Each site has 4 launch vehicles and associated radar equipment
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MIM-171A Piranaha

Role: Theater Anti-Ballistic Missile
Length: 24.02 ft.
Finspan: 64.00 in.
Diameter: 16.17 in.
Weight: 3,250 lb.
Speed: 6,300 mph
Ceiling: 125 mi
Range: 215 mi
Area Coverage: 70,650 sq. mi
Propulsion: 3 stage rocket design
Warhead: Hit-to-Kill + 200 lb. blast frag
Single-Shot Kill %: 95%
Guidance: Ground Base Radar
Cost: $10M [missile]; $80M [launcher w/ 6 missiles]; $400M [site w/ 4 launchers]

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OOC: A 100% single-shot kill capability is literally impossible. That means that, barring any interference, there is absolutely NO chance of a miss, or even a hit that fails to completely eliminate the target. Even future tech can't claim that. You can say 99% (still quite absurd), or 99.99%, but 100% doesn't work at any level. If you claim that, anyone who knows will drop your system right there, as it's obviously claiming more than it could possibly do. Really, you shouldn't have a single-shot kill of more than 90% against anything, and even that could be considered godmodding. A single shot hit maybe, but not kill.
This also should not have PAC-3 designation, as that is actually a much smaller missile that weighs only 700 lbs and a range of only a few dozen km. You would have to use PAC-2 or a new PAC-4. You also need to increase the weight and dimensions of the missile. With that size I have an extremely hard time believing it could have the range and speed claimed, especially considering the size of the warhead.
Finally, the capability of this against an ICBM or SLBM is virtually nil. The missile could only be engaged in the boost phase, as this weapon can't reach into orbit. If you want to claim it can intercept ICBM reentry vehicles, go ahead, but I'd say it's godmodding to claim more than a very slim chance against them, with any missile. The small size, extreme speed, and level of protection will all mean that you won't have much chance.

Problems with the hit % got fooed up in Textpad when I did copy and paste over so that's all fixed back to normal. As far as the size and stuff goes, these missiles utilize an advanced GEL fuel system that provides for very compact spacing and very good fuel consumption rates. Due to the design of the missile it has a very low degree of drag. Mach 5.5 isn't all that out of the ballpark. The PAC-3 right now is listed as M5+ and the AIM-54 Phoenix is a Mach 5 missile. It utilizes lofted trajectory so it climbs up high and then dives down on the target (for a low-flying cruise missile or a plane) and its impact velocity is quite high.

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