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NS is orchastrated to be firmly anti-terrorist. The way I see it is that if you are a terrorist nation their is practically no way off commiting an attack without some jumped up big nation claiming your atack is void as they have *inpenitrable defences*. If you do manage by some mirical to commit an attack you get half the NS community invading your nation with *8 milion men, 6 million planes, anti bio suits, anti everything missiles*. On the other hand if you fight conventially you are leaft practically to your own devices. Take for instance Credonia's invasion of the HLF. All I did was commit fraud. Does that justfy an invasion and millions dead. The goalposts keep changing. NS has got boring with these rules. Boring as hell.

I for one would not allow terrorist nations to attack me without prior consent rom me.

Doesn't that sound atall stupid. You need confirmation from the nation you are attacking to do it. What would have happened if the Madrid bombers had done that. Written a nice formall note to the goverment. I am sure the attack would be succseesful

But anybody who actually plays NS would not use this to their advantage.
They simply know that at one point, something of theirs will be targetted.
I mean, you would be pretty pissed if you just got a message saying Jordaxian spec ops just blew up the parliament/senate/whatever, you are dead. Try to imagine it from other people perspective. The way you play is boring, at least this introduces the element of challenge.

It is chalenging to the point that it is impossible. Every nation claims it has impenatrable defences.

I can't help feeling that someone ought to explain the difference between fantasy and reality..

Explain to who?

The sign of a good RP is that everyone has fun. You can finish it (or let it fade out) and have another few layers of richhistory, background and other fluff for your nation.

"Oh yeah, I just stingered your Air Force One." - is not a good way to RP, imho

But I did't rite 'I just stingered your plane' did I. In my experiance the most fun comes in the repreecutions after an attack.

You need a player's co-operation in order to play with them. That's pretty obvious, no? Only a terrible RPer with whom you don't want to play, anyway, would use OOC information against you in character, unless you were both agreed that the situation merited such. You can still "sneak attack" a nation state after discussing it with the player, I mean, who the hell is the player supposed to be, do people think I am President Derek Igomo?

Plenty of nation states players are more than reasonable, plenty of their nation states are full of security flaws. Lusaka only has two hundred modern battle tanks in a nation of 1.6bln people, for example.
I don't know why on earth I'm getting involved. Must be over tired.

By the way, this isn't an international incident.

But I did't rite 'I just stingered your plane' did I. In my experiance the most fun comes in the repreecutions after an attack.

Sorry, I didn't mean you specifically. I meant 'Bang Bang you're dead!' -style RPing is poor. To use your last thread specifically, it *is* difficult to smuggle a S-O-A Anti-Aircraft weapon into any country.

A statement of Jihad, or discontent, or a riot, *perhaps* going as far as a suicide bomber in a bus, mall or high street. Build it up a little. 9/11 didn't happen just because Dusty Bin Laden decided to declare war because Dubya looks like a chimpanzee, it was because of years of poor US foreign policy in and around his region.

Think for a bit and RolePlay! Not in Godmode!

The HLF has tons of history. Just go look it up. This was work to raise funds for the campaighn to insure our demands are met.

It is chalenging to the point that it is impossible. Every nation claims it has impenatrable defences.

It's not meant to be a challenge! It's not meant to be a competetion! Roleplay is based on consent - if they don't want a terrorist attack, then you can't force one on them.

Do you really want to RP, or do you just want to attack people who can't do anything about it? This is a roleplay forum - If you want to just kill people and send them a message saying "OMG! i pwn3d j00!!!", then go and play some n00b game like counterstrike. Otherwise, learn that RP is give and take; it's about story telling, not trying to get one over on the other guy.

And learn the difference between OOC information and IC information.

I agree with the HLF. No defence is watertight whatsoever. If terrorist want to attack me then I can do little about it to prevent it. Think about it, if terrorism was being dealt with as easy as it is in NS, then there wouldn't be terrorism at all because it isn't worthwhile anymore.

I dont think you should arrange a terrorist attack like ithuia and someothers say but you should find out about security precautions and take the rp from there. Recently, while trying to do that the nation in question who will remain nameless *cough*credonia*cough* decided that thye had forgotton who there neighbours were and i was supposed to gather info about there border security by meens of psychic. If you want terrorists to rp properly then at leats give out info when they ask

If you want terrorists to rp properly then at leats give out info when they ask

For that to work, they actually have to ask.

No nation is watertight, but then again why do we have to accept one post saying "we bombed you".

Lets see; how about roleplaying entering someones nation? How about RPing geting their own people to bomb them... which was your claim. It wasn't your own nationals bombing him, it was his own people which are strictly RPed by him.

You know, attacking a nation you have to follow the same rules. You post the approach (for terrorist this is the infiltration) then they post their reaction (for terrorists this is their border patrol or security personel) and then if you get past the reaction (or security people) then you get to move in to attack the nation (for terrorist you prepare the attack, as well as learning the IC info you need) then they react (more security personel) then you attack the target.

Most attack RP's are done turn by turn. Attackers move, defenders react... that way it's fair.

If you want to throw away these rules I can claim to infiltrate any terrorist organisation and then use the intel to kill most of them off... seeing as it's the same crap that most terrorist nations try to pull off on us.

Plenty of nation states players are more than reasonable, plenty of their nation states are full of security flaws. Lusaka only has two hundred modern battle tanks in a nation of 1.6bln people, for example.


Really? Only two hundred??? So all those expensive Anti-Tank emplacements on the Roycelandian East Africa/Lusaka border were a total waste of money? Bastards! :D

Seriously though, Lusaka is right. You CAN RP a terrorist attack on a Nation, WITH THE PERMISSION of the Nation being attacked.

Otherwise, it can be likened to an annoying Telemarketer- hang up the phone, ignore them, and the problem goes away!

Therre not New Rules, i think the Worlds Jusst evolved into one of 28,000 USAs lol

then 10,000 terrorists a year could get through into each nation

Ignored. Plain and simple.

who? thousands of illegals do get into the US every year do they not

and does this (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=137422) pass your inspection

It's good enough... assuming Austar Union is ok with it I don't really mind.

I'm sure there are holes, but then again I'm sure Austar Union's defences have holes... so it balances out.

From my understanding terrorism is hardly a 100% successful thing, so it's up to the nation to decide if it's successful. The more effort put into it the more likely they will enjoy it and go along with it.

Additional note: You may want to telegram him about the thread, so he can view it and see if it is likely to work, if he's likes reading it he will say yes.

Iuthia lives in a perfect world where everyone and everything is perfect. Too bad he's the only one who lives there.

Iuthia stop acting like you're an RP god or something. No one is perfect at roleplaying. Including you.

In fact point us to a IC post you have made since your nation was founded

I've never seen one.

Neither have I, have you ever at any point contributed to this game other than OOC whining?

EDIT: blah.

ment Ithiua

OCC: I have had my Fair Share of stuff in NS, but i have Learned During my time the Terrorists are really hard Buggers to fight with, and because of this, we will stay Neutral with them and will not do any act of Aggression towards the Terrorists.

OOC: Likewise I have no quarrel with you.

Iuthia stop acting like you're an RP god or something. No one is perfect at roleplaying. Including you.

No Holy Panooly, you just can't take a hint. Like "put some effort into your attack instead of GODMODing an attack".

Holy Panooly, I notice you don't complain when I tell Credonia and others to learn the that Secret IC is actually secret...

It seems you are only against my advice when it suits you.


Meanwhile I have a good reason for posting on the attack against Phyrric thread. He's a friend and I wanted to point out that not bothering to post a infiltration is pretty much ignorable. Having spoken to him on our alliance forums I know he agrees... it's not worth bothering with HLF who doesn't understand that NS is about roleplaying, not winning.

Odd really, seeing as you agree with me about that half the time Holy Panooly, it would seem you don't mind me being a "perfectionist" when I point out you can ignore 500+ missiles launched at your nation. I beleive you agreed with the idea that NS is a story and random comments about blowing up something (like Iron Blood did with your nation) aren't welcome because they aren't interesting or even following RP manners.

But you know what, forget it... I'm not perfect, I'll admit it, but I'm willing to take constuctive criticism.

Iuthia stop acting like you're an RP god or something. No one is perfect at roleplaying. Including you.

No Holy Panooly, you just can't take a hint. Like "put some effort into your attack instead of GODMODing an attack".

Holy Panooly, I notice you don't complain when I tell Credonia and others to learn the that Secret IC is actually secret...

It seems you are only against my advice when it suits you.


Meanwhile I have a good reason for posting on the attack against Phyrric thread. He's a friend and I wanted to point out that not bothering to post a infiltration is pretty much ignorable. Having spoken to him on our alliance forums I know he agrees... it's not worth bothering with HLF who doesn't understand that NS is about roleplaying, not winning.

Odd really, seeing as you agree with me about that half the time Holy Panooly, it would seem you don't mind me being a "perfectionist" when I point out you can ignore 500+ missiles launched at your nation. I beleive you agreed with the idea that NS is a story and random comments about blowing up something (like Iron Blood did with your nation) aren't welcome because they aren't interesting or even following RP manners.

But you know what, forget it... I'm not perfect, I'll admit it, but I'm willing to take constuctive criticism.

Iuthia I was about to write a long essay why I'm right now and you're not. But frankly I think you won't listen my side of the story or do something with my advise. Bye Mr Know-it-all.

If you have something worth while to say then fine by me. I'll admit I "whine" alot and that I have high expectations...

However, most of the time they are valid point. So lets look at the example you are willing to support in this case:

> No effort put into finding out what information about the nation he wants to bomb.

> Claiming that he turned Phyrric's people against him and then using them to bomb his own air-terminal. While it isn't impossible he claimed it without knowing anything about Phyrric, without his permission (despite the fact it's Phyrric's people) and then to top it off, he didn't even RP the fact that he's turning Phyrric's people against him.

> Stealing a highly sophisticated army weapon without roleplaying it at all.

> Ignoring any and all defences phyrric could have in place, assuming they must have all failed to even detect his pressence. While you can get into peoples nation fairly easily it's pretty anoying to that every terrorist nation does it automatically without Roleplaying it.


No effort put into it at all. You agree with Euroslavia's RP guide yet you arn't willing to support the idea when someone doesn't follow it.

I have RPed my infiltration into your nation Iuthia. Does this meet your impecable standards?

I have RPed my infiltration into your nation Iuthia. Does this meet your impecable standards?

Really? Only two hundred??? So all those expensive Anti-Tank emplacements on the Roycelandian East Africa/Lusaka border were a total waste of money? Bastards! :D


Just over 200 Olifant L-2, including the original batch, those built in AC, and the Olifant Mk1B's recently upgraded to L-2 standard. 120mm guns, fire on the move capable, composite armour and so forth.

However, I did say modern main battle tanks. We've also 1,000 T-56(L), which are native upgrades of the T-54 and 55s donated by socialist allies during the oft referenced Lumbosa war. They're classed by Lusaka as medium tanks, and mount 105mm guns. There are also 800 T-62, considered less than modern MBTs ;) 115mm guns, usually employed as MBTs in regular army formations (while Olifants serve with the LRAC).

So 2,000 tanks in all, and I can't decide whether we ought to acquire more or upgrade the T-62s to some sort of viable modern MBT standard.

I'm done.