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Belem is once again offering top of the line nuclear weapons cheap to the world.

The two weapons that are currently available are:

Pocket Nuke(this is technically a dirty bomb)
Weight: 20-50 pounds.
Maximum Blast range: half mile.
The bomb can be mounted on any type of missile and use any type of detonation device. It will spread radiation over 5 miles.
cost: 2 million dollars.

Suitcase Nuke
Weight: 60-120 pounds.
Maximum Blast Range: 1 to 1.5 miles
The bomb can be mounted on any type of missile and use any type of detonation device.
cost: 6 million dollars.

NOTE: All bombs sold are fitted with a self destruct device where if the bomb is tampered with in anyway it will self destruct. The bombs are also fitted with a tracking device if they are detected being brought back to Belem they will be self destructed, if the tracking device is tampered with the bomb will self destruct.

a 6000+ poster still a n00b?

ahhh Belem....you're back!

a 6000+ poster still a n00b?
both my prices and the weapons are completely realistic considering it is possible to actual construct a nuclear bomb for even less money, the hard part is actually get the uranium or plutonium.

ahhh Belem....you're back!


I never left i was just lurking about.

Culdoria would like to order 100 Suitcase nukes :twisted: and 500 pocket nukes. :twisted: Money will be wired upon delivery. :twisted: :twisted:

ahhh Belem....you're back!


I never left i was just lurking about.


I was under the impression you were having a slight computer diffaculty...something about deltree c:\*.*\y

YOU ARE FUCKING SELLING NUCLEAR WEAPONS! how thick can you be?

:twisted: I WILL SPEND $1,000,000,000,000 on all your nuclear arms. That would help stop the crime of my country!! :twisted:

Culdoria would like to order 100 Suitcase nukes :twisted: and 500 pocket nukes. :twisted: Money will be wired upon delivery. :twisted: :twisted:


full delivery will be in approx. RL 3 hours it takes time to produce and process and ship all the nukes.

ahhh Belem....you're back!


I never left i was just lurking about.


I was under the impression you were having a slgith computer diffaculty...something about deltree c:\*.*\y

LOL. nah. nor was I suffering from a C: Format

YOU ARE f--- SELLING NUCLEAR WEAPONS! how thick can you be?

Im allowed to sell nukes if I want and I make a profit doing so. so i fail to see your point?

:twisted: I WILL SPEND $1,000,000,000,000 on all your nuclear arms. That would help stop the crime of my country!! :twisted:

Im not selling you a trillion dollar worth of nukes basically because I dont have a trillion dollar worth of nukes and the entire statement you made was completely irrational

WE will buy 200 suitcase nukes, and 300 Pocket Nukes.

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WE will buy 200 suitcase nukes, and 300 Pocket Nukes.


Full delivery in 6 hours.

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also all deliveries delivered

:twisted: I WILL SPEND $1,000,000,000,000 on all your nuclear arms. That would help stop the crime of my country!! :twisted:


yes, by nuking your country, you will be able to stop 100% of crime. Congratulations.


:roll:

Hrrmmm...decisions,decisions...Well,we'll take a pocket nuke for our upcoming(hopefully,if the nation complies) attack.

I have made IR£50,000,000 available for these great devices.Count me in

5 suitcase nukes

Alenteria would like to purchase 10 suitcase nukes for city defense. Our currency, the Epsilon is equal to 1 american dollar. E$60,000,000 will be wired to you.

Secret IC: Iwould likee to purchase 20 Pocket Nukes= $40 million
10 Suitcase Nuke= $60 million
Thank you
I will giv you another 10 million to keep this transition quiet.
*money wired apn confirmation*

Hrrmmm...decisions,decisions...Well,we'll take a pocket nuke for our upcoming(hopefully,if the nation complies) attack.

pocket nuke sent. enjoy!

I have made IR£50,000,000 available for these great devices.Count me in

how many do you want?

5 suitcase nukes


nukes sent. enjoy!

Alenteria would like to purchase 10 suitcase nukes for city defense. Our currency, the Epsilon is equal to 1 american dollar. E$60,000,000 will be wired to you.

nukes are being sent.

Secret IC: Iwould likee to purchase 20 Pocket Nukes= $40 million
10 Suitcase Nuke= $60 million
Thank you
I will giv you another 10 million to keep this transition quiet.
*money wired apn confirmation*


Secret IC: of course. the nukes are being sent, since its a slightly large order full delivery in 20 minutes

THIS IS AN ACT OF TERRORISM!

YOU CANNOT SELL NUCLEAR BOMBS TO ANY KIND OF NATION!!

QUIT THIS NOW OR FACE THE CONSEQUENSES!!


OOC: I do't care if you got 123234345456546 tr00ps and attack with your 2353463047608435 fleets and your 32432432 n00ks.

THIS IS AN ACT OF TERRORISM!

YOU CANNOT SELL NUCLEAR BOMBS TO ANY KIND OF NATION!!

QUIT THIS NOW OR FACE THE CONSEQUENSES!!


OOC: I do't care if you got 123234345456546 tr00ps and attack with your 2353463047608435 fleets and your 32432432 n00ks.


This is not an act of terrorism this is just economic theory in practice, I have a supply of an item and am offering it on the world market. There is a demand for the said item and people come to me in order to meet their demand. Once the item leaves Belem it is no longer our responsibility.

I want a suitcase without a nuke in it. Is that possible? I'm looking for a black samsonite with a small lock. Thanks

Dude, so?

UK, USA, France, Germany, Russia, Iraq all do it.

We are just keeping thing real by flouting moral rules, moral rules are easily dissolved by the need for hard cash.

Regards,

TNE

Also I don't think Swedish is in a position to make any threats when you look at their repective agaes and the fact that Belem has a hella alot of nukes.

I want a suitcase without a nuke in it. Is that possible? I'm looking for a black samsonite with a small lock. Thanks


sure. that will be about 100 dollars.

Money wired. Thanks for the suitcase :wink:

Money wired. Thanks for the suitcase :wink:


your welcome. suitcase sent *pockets the cool hundred bucks*

I would like to purchase every weapon that you have remaining. Tis hard to be the armedrepublic of newalbion without copious amounts of nuclear armaments

I would like to purchase every weapon that you have remaining. Tis hard to be the armedrepublic of newalbion without copious amounts of nuclear armaments

these are basically being built to order, so we need a number.

Due to an increase in probability of their use I would like to repeat the order I made previously. Thankyou.

Due to an increase in probability of their use I would like to repeat the order I made previously. Thankyou.

nukes are sent. enjoy!

Name your price :) I buy all the weapons your sell me!!!
If you know anybody else selling weapons let me know. :idea:

I'm getting ready for WAR :evil:

Thank,

SUSSR

Belem is once again offering top of the line nuclear weapons cheap to the world.

The two weapons that are currently available are:

Pocket Nuke(this is technically a dirty bomb)
Weight: 20-50 pounds.
Maximum Blast range: half mile.
The bomb can be mounted on any type of missile and use any type of detonation device. It will spread radiation over 5 miles.
cost: 2 million dollars.

Suitcase Nuke
Weight: 60-120 pounds.
Maximum Blast Range: five miles
The bomb can be mounted on any type of missile and use any type of detonation device.
cost: 6 million dollars.

NOTE: All bombs sold are fitted with a self destruct device where if the bomb is tampered with in anyway it will self destruct. The bombs are also fitted with a tracking device if they are detected being brought back to Belem they will be self destructed, if the tracking device is tampered with the bomb will self destruct.

I think you need to revise your blast ranges.

5 miles is a large range for an ICBM warhead, let alone a suitcase nuke, and indicates a yield of several megatons.

A blast radius of even 200 metres is optimistic for a suitcase nuke. They're not city-killers.

Sir Belem, i request and require five of the latter form of nuclear device at six million US dollars per item.

A Gold Sovereign is equal to fifty UK pounds sterling.

$6,000,000 x 5 = $30,000,000

$30,000,000 > £16,315,227

£16,315,227 > GS 326,304.54

You shall receive three-hundred and twenty-six thousand three hundred and four Gold Sovereigns and 54 pence.

You have a good deal, the value of gold is still rising.

Hopeful Regards,

TNE

Sir Belem, i request and require five of the latter form of nuclear device at six million US dollars per item.

A Gold Sovereign is equal to fifty UK pounds sterling.

$6,000,000 x 5 = $30,000,000

$30,000,000 > £16,315,227

£16,315,227 > GS 326,304.54

You shall receive three-hundred and twenty-six thousand three hundred and four Gold Sovereigns and 54 pence.

You have a good deal, the value of gold is still rising.

Hopeful Regards,

TNE

Confirmed. The nukes are being sent.

Belem is once again offering top of the line nuclear weapons cheap to the world.

The two weapons that are currently available are:

Pocket Nuke(this is technically a dirty bomb)
Weight: 20-50 pounds.
Maximum Blast range: half mile.
The bomb can be mounted on any type of missile and use any type of detonation device. It will spread radiation over 5 miles.
cost: 2 million dollars.

Suitcase Nuke
Weight: 60-120 pounds.
Maximum Blast Range: five miles
The bomb can be mounted on any type of missile and use any type of detonation device.
cost: 6 million dollars.

NOTE: All bombs sold are fitted with a self destruct device where if the bomb is tampered with in anyway it will self destruct. The bombs are also fitted with a tracking device if they are detected being brought back to Belem they will be self destructed, if the tracking device is tampered with the bomb will self destruct.

I think you need to revise your blast ranges.

5 miles is a large range for an ICBM warhead, let alone a suitcase nuke, and indicates a yield of several megatons.

A blast radius of even 200 metres is optimistic for a suitcase nuke. They're not city-killers.

OOC: According to a few articles I read online a suitcase bomb is capable of taking out 3-5 miles with the right amount of uranium and an effective detonation system.

Name your price :) I buy all the weapons your sell me!!!
If you know anybody else selling weapons let me know. :idea:

I'm getting ready for WAR :evil:

Thank,

SUSSR

Well I kinda need to know numbers and what you are willing to spend.

Name your price :) I buy all the weapons your sell me!!!
If you know anybody else selling weapons let me know. :idea:

I'm getting ready for WAR :evil:

Thank,

SUSSR

Well I kinda need to know numbers and what you are willing to spend.

OOC: According to a few articles I read online a suitcase bomb is capable of taking out 3-5 miles with the right amount of uranium and an effective detonation system.

I'm not convinced.

Typical military ICBM warheads are in the 300-500 kiloton range, and don't have that kind of blast radius; a 1 megaton warhead has a blast radius of about 2 miles, and no matter how you try to go about it, you are never going to fit one of them in a suitcase.

The bomb dropped on hiroshima had a 10 kiloton warhead, and a blast radius of about 500m.

Suitcase bombs tend to be in the 0.3 to 1 kiloton range. At 1 kiloton, the blast radius is about 150m, with a heat wave causing third degree burns up to about 500m. The range of lethal radiation is up to about 1000m. Any further away than a kilometre, and you're not in much immediate danger.

3-5 miles is waaaay out, even for radiation, let alone blast radius.

If you're going to give terrorists weapons (and let's face it, suitcase nukes aren't anything but terrorist weapons), at least give them realistic ones.

OOC: Im going to try to find the source. But I heard that a fist sized chunk of either uranium or plutionium could be fitted into a container the size of a vacuumn cleaner and would be considered either 4 megatons or 400 kilotons.

OOC: this is for Hiroshama: "In both cities the blast totally destroyed everything within a radius of 1 mile from the center of explosion, except for certain reinforced concrete frames as noted above. The atomic explosion almost completely destroyed Hiroshima's identity as a city. Over a fourth of the population was killed in one stroke and an additional fourth seriously injured, so that even if there had been no damage to structures and installations the normal city life would still have been completely shattered. Nearly everything was heavily damaged up to a radius of 3 miles from the blast, and beyond this distance damage, although comparatively light, extended for several more miles. Glass was broken up to 12 miles."

http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/abomb/mp03.htm

how do you see how much money you have and how do you use nukes?

I think I may have misquoted the Hiroshima damage - what I gave was for a 10kt device at ground level (which is where a suitcase nuke is likely to be detonated). The Hiroshima nuke was an airburst warhead that detonated at about 580m above ground level, which significantly increased blast damage. Also, further browsing suggests 15kt may be a more accurate estimate of the yield of the Hiroshima bomb.

The Protectorate of Starblaydia wishes to purchase twelve of the more powerful nuclear devices for fitting to our aircraft's missiles as a deterrent

Payment of US$72M on delivery

Thanks in advance

The rough estimates of the Hiroshima yield vary from 12-18 kt, with 15-16kt being the accepted figure. The drop on Nagasaki was, although with a larger bomb, actually around 10kt, because, simply put, the fission process didnt quite complete (expected yield was around 25kt).

Nimzonia is right, for the actual blast damage zone you listed for a gorund burst weapon is probably well into the megaton range, and probably even at least a megaton for a 500m airburst.

Most suitcase bombs simply only carry about enough fissionable material for an explosion in the hundreds of tons range, with a kiloton at most. And with a ground burst especially actual blast damage could be measured between a hundred and two hundred meters. The radiation is the main problem however, and can spread for around ten miles around and force the evacuation of the city, which is the main purpose of the bomb aside from actual destruction.

What the article was talking about was probably the fissionable core at the centre of a fusion based weapon (judging by the expected yield) and certainly this would be the size of a vacuum cleaner, but would sit in a bomb the size of a small car.

We're... um... confirming the order. Yes, that was it.

Not a double-post or anything. Honest. :oops:

a 6000+ poster still a n00b?

n00b isn't dependant on your post count or your time in NS. It's your level of intelligence. Stupid people are the same as n00bs. I prefer just to fire ignore cannons at Belem.

He can sell nukes if he so chooses...

However, I do hope you're responsible in your choices of selling nuclear weapons, and not just sell them to the new nation who orders with :twisted: in his post...

We are also slightly concerned that these nuclear weapons seem to be agents of terror, rather than agents of mutual defense.

The Protectorate of Starblaydia wishes to purchase twelve of the more powerful nuclear devices for fitting to our aircraft's missiles as a deterrent

Payment of US$72M on delivery

Thanks in advance

order confirmed weapons sent.

OOC: woo! finnally found the info. Heres why I got the five mile destruction thing because on the news where they basically said if it was detonated in a city it would cause a domino effect with probably 5 miles of destruction. After checking online the blast radius will probably be 1 to 1.5 miles if it uses the most modern mechanisms. so ill fix that.

He can sell nukes if he so chooses...

However, I do hope you're responsible in your choices of selling nuclear weapons, and not just sell them to the new nation who orders with :twisted: in his post...

We are also slightly concerned that these nuclear weapons seem to be agents of terror, rather than agents of mutual defense.

Why would a terrorist nation be responsible.

OOC: woo! finnally found the info. Heres why I got the five mile destruction thing because on the news where they basically said if it was detonated in a city it would cause a domino effect with probably 5 miles of destruction. After checking online the blast radius will probably be 1 to 1.5 miles if it uses the most modern mechanisms. so ill fix that.

I'd be highly suspicious of that news source. A suitcase nuke will not cause five miles of destruction. That's the sort of destruction you'll get from an average airburst ICBM warhead.

For a suitcase bomb, that 1 to 1.5 miles should include blast radius, thermal radiation radius, and lethal radiation radius. Fallout will probably go somewhat further, but essentially, major structural damage will only occur within about 800m, and further out than that, and you're in no real immediate danger, although you'd have to evacuate within a couple of hours because of fallout.

I don't know why you insist on making the range as huge as possible anyway; the less realistic you make it, the more people will ignore them. If there's anyone who doesn't ignore suitcase bombs anyway. Just use an acceptable, realistic level of destruction, and no pedantic people like me will complain. :wink:

OOC: 5 miles is what they said for like a domino effect basically the nuke knocks down all the buildings around it and then the flying rubble and debris knocks down buildings which knock down buildings.

OOC: 5 miles is what they said for like a domino effect basically the nuke knocks down all the buildings around it and then the flying rubble and debris knocks down buildings which knock down buildings.

OOC: 5 miles is what they said for like a domino effect basically the nuke knocks down all the buildings around it and then the flying rubble and debris knocks down buildings which knock down buildings.

What a load of nonsense. Such an effect is completely impossible. The only place where debris will be flying with sufficient force to damage buildings will be inside the blast radius (which certainly isn't 5 miles, or even 1 mile, for that matter). Even then, the buildings that are destroyed are not going to go flying off to hit other buildings outside the actual blast area. That's just absurd.

Either you misheard, or there were some bad 'shrooms going round the news studio that day (or you're just completely making this up).

The Protectorate of Starblaydia wishes to purchase twelve of the more powerful nuclear devices for fitting to our aircraft's missiles as a deterrent

Payment of US$72M on delivery

Thanks in advance

order confirmed weapons sent.

Many thanks *Money wired*

You won't believe it Belem, Iuthia calls your nice suitcase nukes godmod devices.

ill take 30 suitcase nukes but can it realy fit in a suitcase at 120 pounds :?:

You won't believe it Belem, Iuthia calls your nice suitcase nukes godmod devices.

He knows, we've argued about it for some time now and I'm sticking with it. I'm just not going to ruin Belem's nice thread by spamming it up with another arguement.

I'm just going to ignore them.

That's ok.

By the way, I want another suitcase for $100.

OOC: This link may help in the debate

http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/News/DoSuitcaseNukesExist.html

Particularly the passage under the pic of the Davy Crockett bomb

OOC: This link may help in the debate

http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/News/DoSuitcaseNukesExist.html

Particularly the passage under the pic of the Davy Crockett bomb

The smallest device publicly known being 96lbs, and having a yield of only 190 tons (0.19kt), although fusion boosting it would put it in the low kiloton range (still way too small for Belem's 5 mile figures, which would require a device in the megaton range).

OOC: 5 miles is what they said for like a domino effect basically the nuke knocks down all the buildings around it and then the flying rubble and debris knocks down buildings which knock down buildings.

What a load of nonsense. Such an effect is completely impossible. The only place where debris will be flying with sufficient force to damage buildings will be inside the blast radius (which certainly isn't 5 miles, or even 1 mile, for that matter). Even then, the buildings that are destroyed are not going to go flying off to hit other buildings outside the actual blast area. That's just absurd.

Either you misheard, or there were some bad 'shrooms going round the news studio that day (or you're just completely making this up).

I think the news exagerates just to get ratings. going to give it a 1 to 1.5 blast

You won't believe it Belem, Iuthia calls your nice suitcase nukes godmod devices.

He knows, we've argued about it for some time now and I'm sticking with it. I'm just not going to ruin Belem's nice thread by spamming it up with another arguement.

I'm just going to ignore them. Pity you couldn't have done that with mine.

ill take 30 suitcase nukes but can it realy fit in a suitcase at 120 pounds :?:


nukes sent enjoy.

Yeah the weight is somewhere between 120-150

That's ok.

By the way, I want another suitcase for $100.

sure. suitcase sent.

The Republic of G Bugles wishes to purchase 30 pocket nukes for $60,000,000.

The Republic of G Bugles wishes to purchase 30 pocket nukes for $60,000,000.

nukes sent. enjoy.

He can sell nukes if he so chooses...

However, I do hope you're responsible in your choices of selling nuclear weapons, and not just sell them to the new nation who orders with :twisted: in his post...

We are also slightly concerned that these nuclear weapons seem to be agents of terror, rather than agents of mutual defense.

Why would a terrorist nation be responsible.

He's a terrorist nation? Oh...

Sicrat would like to order 500 suitcase nukes for 3 billion.

Sicrat would like to order 500 suitcase nukes for 3 billion.

Sicrat would like to order 500 suitcase nukes for 3 billion to place on our non-nuclear ICBMS.

Sicrat would like to order 500 suitcase nukes for 3 billion.

OOC: woo big order!

IC: Order confirmed full delivery of the weapons will be in approx. 5 hours.

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I will take 100 of each. I will not use them offensively, but as a means of deterrence. Money is wired

I will take 100 of each. I will not use them offensively, but as a means of deterrence. Money is wired


Full delivery in 2 hours. Enjoy your weapons.

OOC: TAG to keep an eye on this, just in case.

IC:
::::Kelanthian Military High Command - Arawn Installation::::

*General Benjamin Moore, head of the Kelanthian Aerospace Administration walks over to a bank of computers with two technical officers seated at the desk.*

Moore: "Jenkins, we just got a transmission from Intelligence; it seems the Belemian nuclear program is running again."

Jenkins: "Since when? I thought they shut down a while ago..."

Moore: "So did Intel, apparently. They've been startled enough that they don't even have any HUMINT on the ground. They're going to work on that, but with the Belemian security, it's unlikely we'll get anyone for quite some time. They want us to try and make up for that with increased ELINT, so we'll just do what we can."

Jenkins: "That won't make up for HUMINT..."

Moore: "Well I know that, and you know that, and hell, I bet even Grath himself knows that... but at this point, we don't have any choice. With Eternal Flame's security problems, we can't afford not to snoop on those that are selling cheap WMDs. Belem, Holy Panooly, and all those other crazy folks can't be counted on to keep weapons out of the hands of terrorists."

Jenkins: "I see. I'll get some of the snoop birds on it right away."

Moore: "Good man. Just remember to make it all passive - we don't want to attract any attention to ourselves."

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