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Secret IC: The call came to the man as he was about to leave for work in a Phyrric supermarket. This was the time he had been waiting for for over a year. It instructed him to drive to an apartment building in the east of the capital. Outside was a van with a small crate inside. Inside the crate was a FIM92A Stinger with two missiles, next to it was a coded note 'City Airport, any civillan plane, bigger better'. The man called his wife she was a cleaner at the airport. She could take down the CCTV but only for a few minutes. They decided to take the risk of arranging the attack to take place at 13:15 as a commercial 747 jet to Taiwan was due. The man drove to the airport parking a couple of hundred meters from the perimeter fence. It was time as the plane visuably taxied towards the runway as arranged a truck bomb exploded at the crowded main terminal building. All the security was rushing to the scene of the terminal fearing a terrorist attack and all eyes were overted from the runway. The controller tried to stop the planes take off but it was too late. As the plane leaft the run way a single plume of smoke made its way to plane exploding on impact. It was clear the plane was in serious trouble. The man who launched the stinger screamed 'this is the first of many those who attack innocent nations pay with their citizens blood' and then exploded as citizens rushed towards him.

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nope break away group, a hell of a lot more deadly than the hlf

OOC: And a one, two, a one two three go!

Firstly I would like to see the thread where you infiltrated Phyrric a year a go... but something inside tells me this doesn't exist. But no matter, it's not like you need to let him know (OOC) about this sort of thing.

Secondly, how the hell did you get a STINGER MISSILE smuggled into Phyrric, the nation is practically at war most the time anyways so the security will be through the roof. Did you RP getting the missile in Phyrric (which is probably impossible). Did you RP smuggling the missile into Phyrric, I guess not seeing as you don't have an infiltration RP.

I bet you didn't even bother to look at Phyrrics security and ask him OOC about setting up an attack...

Ohwell, knowing Phyrric this will end either be ignored, or your terrorist will be announced dead before he managed to successfully smuggle a STINGER MISSILE into the nation. Seeing as you didn't describe how I will assume he used a huge missle shaped box with the word "ACME" on the side in the hope no one will notice.

Try harder next time.

OOC: And a one, two, a one two three go!

Firstly I would like to see the thread where you infiltrated Phyrric a year a go... but something inside tells me this doesn't exist. But no matter, it's not like you need to let him know (OOC) about this sort of thing.

Secondly, how the hell did you get a STINGER MISSILE smuggled into Phyrric, the nation is practically at war most the time anyways so the security will be through the roof. Did you RP getting the missile in Phyrric (which is probably impossible). Did you RP smuggling the missile into Phyrric, I guess not seeing as you don't have an infiltration RP.

I bet you didn't even bother to look at Phyrrics security and ask him OOC about setting up an attack...

Ohwell, knowing Phyrric this will end either be ignored, or your terrorist will be announced dead before he managed to successfully smuggle a STINGER MISSILE into the nation. Seeing as you didn't describe how I will assume he used a huge missle shaped box with the word "ACME" on the side in the hope no one will notice.

Try harder next time. OK very good points but all flawed. Firstly I have implimened the same terrorist cell policies with the Real HLF as I did with the HLF. On the whole I don't send cells in I recruit them from the general population using bribes, fear, preaching or patriotism this way I don't have to worry about security. Secondly the stinger came from one of these things but I am not going to tell you which as it comprimises agants in the field: Stolen from a Phyrric's millitary surplus, Contacts from the nation that sponsered me to do it, Built from virtual scratch inside Phyrric by someone with millitary backround, smuggled in in parts from outside the country. For these reasons an IGNORE is unjustified.

OOC: And did you RP any of this? Are you assuming they have a 100% success rate?

It may be a foriegn concept to you, but Phyrric (the player) controls his populace. You have to work it out with him because he roleplays his people.

Basically you haven't RPed any of your setting up, you haven't allowed Phyrric to RP his own nations security... in my mind a ignore is fully justified.

Try working it out with him if you want it done properly, but it seems that you haven't bothered with any of it.

No I have not assumed they have 100% sucseess rate as it only takes one of the many I have recruited to lanch an attack. I have carried out many attacks like these in the past and have had no problems. What you are suggesting is that I should have told Phyrric my intended target so he could have boosted his security around it? Even if you ignore the stinger you can not ignore the bomb at terminal.

No I have not assumed they have 100% sucseess rate as it only takes one of the many I have recruited to lanch an attack. I have carried out many attacks like these in the past and have had no problems. What you are suggesting is that I should have told Phyrric my intended target so he could have boosted his security around it? Even if you ignore the stinger you can not ignore the bomb at terminal.

OOC: Actually I think if you read about how ignores work he can ignore anything he likes... it's just that if he ignores too much he will not be playing with anyone.

Anyways, you are ignoring the point. You have to RP getting into the nation first, you can't just post one day with damages and then explain "oh, but I've been in your nation for ages"

Like an attack with a nation you have to set up the attack them make it. I can't just say "and 5 F20's fly in and blow up your base." This is because I have to approach their base, allow them the chance to RP their defence and then let see if I can succeed.

You haven't even RPed the entry into his nation... you just posted the damages and gave him no chance to RP his defences. That is ignorable. You have RPed this people, which are controled by him... if you are going to use his people you need to OOC contact him for permision. Otherwise it's ignorable.

I havent posted his losses. Tell me where I did then.

As the plane leaft the run way a single plume of smoke made its way to plane exploding on impact

The fact your terrorists are in his nation alone is calling damages in it self. Seeing as you haven't RPed getting into it. At all.

You are also missing the point that you have RPed his people, which is also against the rules because you don't even know much about his nation. That is why you have to OOC talk to him about using his people so he can tell you what they are like...

If this was another random terrorist attack I would leave it alone, but Phyrric is an ally and I know him to be a reasonable roleplayer... seeing as you haven't even roleplayed the enterance of terrorist into his nation, nor have you RPed turning his own people against him. You've just RPed the damage without having to go through that arkward RP before hand.

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OOC: I agree with Iuthia, it's pretty much standard convention to RP a terrorist infiltration before a terrorist attack can take place.

I have used the same type of attacks on numerous other occasions and I have had no problems.

I have used the same type of attacks on numerous other occasions and I have had no problems.

OOC: So? How does that make it right? You know how many nations have done the same crap your pulling here; by posting a one RP saying "You got bombed, deal with it" without even thinking that the nation they are infiltrating may have defences against that sort of thing...

The idea is to co-operate and make a good story, not to try and win. You can't win in NationStates... it's not the point.

At the very least read Euroslavia's terrorist guide...

The idea is to co-operate and make a good story, not to try and win. You can't win in NationStates... it's not the point.

OOC:
Well said. If only more people understood this.

Having said that, if only more people knew the difference between IC and OOC.

NS is orchastrated to be firmly anti-terrorist. The way I see it is that if you are a terrorist nation their is practically no way off commiting an attack without some jumped up big nation claiming your atack is void as they have *inpenitrable defences*. If you do manage by some mirical to commit an attack you get half the NS community invading your nation with *8 milion men, 6 million planes anti bio suits anti everything missiles*. On the other hand if you fight conventially you are leaft practically to your own devices. Take for instance Credonia's invasion of the HLF. All I did was commit fraud. Does that justfy an invasion. NS has got boring with these rules. Boring as hell.

NS is orchastrated to be firmly anti-terrorist. The way I see it is that if you are a terrorist nation their is practically no way off commiting an attack without some jumped up big nation claiming your atack is void as they have *inpenitrable defences*. If you do manage by some mirical to commit an attack you get half the NS community invading your nation with *8 milion men, 6 million planes anti bio suits anti everything missiles*. On the other hand if you fight conventially you are leaft practically to your own devices. Take for instance Credonia's invasion of the HLF. All I did was commit fraud. Does that justfy an invasion. NS has got boring with these rules. Boring as hell.

NS is orchastrated to be firmly anti-terrorist. The way I see it is that if you are a terrorist nation their is practically no way off commiting an attack without some jumped up big nation claiming your atack is void as they have *inpenitrable defences*. If you do manage by some mirical to commit an attack you get half the NS community invading your nation with *8 milion men, 6 million planes anti bio suits anti everything missiles*. On the other hand if you fight conventially you are leaft practically to your own devices. Take for instance Credonia's invasion of the HLF. All I did was commit fraud. Does that justfy an invasion. The goalposts keep changing. NS has got boring with these rules. Boring as hell.

OOC: Well I would have thought that as its RP, you can position your goalposts where you want, within reason. Go play Kings Of Chaos if you want actual Army build-up and combat.



Oh yeah, btw
<snip> next to it was a coded note 'City Airport, any civillan plane, bigger better'. <snip>

Helluva code, I must say. You ever work for the CIA? :)

OOC: If you don't want to RP things properly then go and play another game more based on winning, Nationstates is about roleplaying; creating an interactive story for entertainment. If one side isn't interested then it isn't going to work.

Your attack is crap, bluntly put. Now I run a Terrorist organisation in NS (not affiliated with Iuthia) and so far I've made a point of getting contacts so eventually I can get into people nations without any trouble. I've put effort into it.

NS isn't designed for terrorist organsations, it gives you a nation with every ID you make for the forums. With all the crap terrorist RP's around we don't have to take it any more, if you want to succeed put the effort in, all the terrorist nations who put effort in succeed...

Currently I have a nation communicating with me via telegram setting up spies in my nation, we are going to work it out so we are both happy. He gets spies in my nation, I get to eventually find out about them.

The situation we have here is where you are essentially telling Phyrric how his nation is going to react... well thats not how NS works. In NS Phyrric controls and roleplays his own people. If you work hard he may allow you to get though his defences... hell, if you even asked OOC about them you would be allowed to comment on them.

Seeing as you didn't even RP getting into his nation, you didn't bother to learn about his defences and you didn't even bother with anything more then "OMG YOU PLANE ASPLODE!!!!1!" I don't see why he can't just ignore you, seeing as you ignored his defences.

Thats why I rewrote the attack You blide s***. http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=137228&highlight=
What gives you the right to tell me to play another game? Your the one spoiling my fun. YOUR NOT EVEN INVOLVED IN THIS RP SO GET OUT OF MY THREAD

OOC: Oh yes, thats right the sarcastic thread... I'm here because my ally isn't here to defend himself, on our alliance boards it's pretty much agreed that this attack is going to be ignored.

But sure, I'll let this thread die. Seriously, at least read euroslavia's sticky at the top of the forums...