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Nation rulers of the world,

I, am Kain Shentavo. I am no ruler of any nation, a wanderer if you will. I am however knowledgable in world events, and I have experiance in office of a nation, to which I will not name. I am a studier of the arcane, and consider myself an expert upon it. But regardless of who I am, I wish to draw the attention of the world rulers, to an issue I feel that has not been addressed.

I have seen, world wide treaties of uses of weapons, that the use of biological, chemical and nuclear weapons have been banned, along with many others which I am sure you know. But what of magic? I am sure you understand the powers of magic, that if a nation were so inclided during war, that magic could have many dramatic and fatal affects upon civilians, the enviorment and the people of earth.

Consider this. A nation summons a great meteor upon an enemy nation, a pre-emptive strike. The meteor will kill many civilians, destroy wildlife and the enviorment and possibly have irreperable damage to the planet. Yet what laws are there in place for such an event? What universal laws have been placed so that if such a travesty was treatened or carried out, the world's community can act upon it with conviction and authority.

I call upon those who are concerned for the well-being and stability of the earth, and consider that immense possibilites which could occour with those nations which have the capability of magic.

What should be done? What laws should be agreed upon? I am not a UN member unfortunatly, but should the concern be great, I will attempt to join and draw this to the UN's attention.

Signed,

Kain Shentavo

Bump?

you cant put laws on magic!...nazi

I believe you can place laws upon using nuclear weapons. The same applies. Dolt.

Kain Shentavo

(OOC Ignored if you carry on with that)

To be blunt, it is fa rmore likely someone will use a Polaris Missile or Anthrax Beta to attack you, if they are so inclined, then they are to use Starfall or Meteor Storm. Why? For the most part, the vast majority of nations i know of do not use magic or any equivalent. Banning Magic would be largely useless, anyway- even if many many more people used it, what's to say they'd adhere to this law and stop using it in an offensive capacity?

How can we be so sure? In looking at the processes required to produce a nuclear missle, with all of the equipment and training required, a nation which is geared towards the use of magic as a reliant source of economy etc, would find it far easier. And also, you require no missle silo of any kind, possibly some magical construction perhaps, depending upon the advancement of the nation in question in the art of magic. It can be far easier, although for rebels, it would be harder.

I do not suggest banning magic, that is like saying ban all guns, when guns can save our lives (against animals and such). Not quite the same, but magic can be very positive and help communities and nations thrive. It can be used in war easily, and by many standards, require fewer "soldiers". I have commanded armies of mages, and I can tell you, such a force is to be taken most seriously. Fortunatly, this encounter did not attack some foriegn nation, otherwise I might be able to show examples of where magic has outdone modern technology by far.

When you say, "Whats to say thed'd adhere to this law, and stop using it in an offencive capacity", I find this a very stupid question, but I shall answer for those who are less experianced in politics. Apply your thinking to the UN laws in place. If someone breaks a law, what happens? Action is enforced. People know, if they break that law, they will be punished.

Kain Shentavo

stop putting pn italics

(OOC Why?)

Our monks use magic. They swear to uphold the greater good though.
Should they ever use their powers for evil, they will be purged (We be a Future Tech nation)

The Divine Autocracy of Nili's history with magic dates back to our original home of Nod Gamorra where numerous races prosperred and flourished, but unfortunately magic doesn't fare very well against nuclear holocaust, and over half a billion people were killed. In an instant centuries of Necromancy were wiped out. In any case the only ones legally allowed to practice magic are the royal family.

Our monks use magic. They swear to uphold the greater good though.
Should they ever use their powers for evil, they will be purged (We be a Future Tech nation)

Elaborate on how you mean by "purged"

Slain instantly. With as little damage to non combatants as possible.

The Divine Autocracy of Nili's history with magic dates back to our original home of Nod Gamorra where numerous races prosperred and flourished, but unfortunately magic doesn't fare very well against nuclear holocaust, and over half a billion people were killed. In an instant centuries of Necromancy were wiped out. In any case the only ones legally allowed to practice magic are the royal family.

I am sorry for your loss, although those with the right knowledge could ahve averted such a tragedy. The possibilities are infinate, we simply tap into these possibilities and make them reality. Hence, the entire princible and application of magic. No matter what knowledge of magic, "good" or "evil", it is always regretable to lose it.

I am glad to hear that you people have laws in place for magic. Indeed, it is far too dangerous for anyone to use. Although, such an attitude can make society an elitest one. I never encountered such a problem, for everyone could use magic, and even children used it with ease. Of course, the knowledge of offensive spells was witheld until a later age, and even then, they were not that powerful.

We did have certain laws on the use of magic, and those who disobeyed, depending on the severity of the action were punished as one might be in a normal society, although a more rehabitalitation approach was taken up.

When you say Royal Family, you mean the few in rulership of you country correct? And thier prodgeny? Excuse my ignorance, but I have encountered many definitions of such a term.


Kain Shentavo

Slain instantly. With as little damage to non combatants as possible.

Interesting. Such an approach is very....unforgiving, no?

Kain Shentavo

Dorin the Darkweaver cackled. "This being fancies himself a magician? Very well, we'll see how he matches up against the Darkweaver."

Dorin Appears as a High Orc, about 7'4" in height, muscular and fit, wearing dark navy robes. His long hair is orange with black streaks, and his eyes are red. His skin is a light green, and he carries no staff. If Kain had been in his presence, he would have been humbled to realize that the essence of magic eminates from his form like sweat from a triathalon runner.

Greetings, I am Dorin the Darkweaver of the Dark Circle, the foremost incantor of the 13 Clans, as well as the Potenate Magician of this world. If you would have dealings with the Blessings of the Arcane, then it is I whom you seek, for in my knowledge, holds the very essence of Magic, for I was born in the Age of its creation. (Dorin is indeed one of the most powerful magicians in the NS Universe. The High Orc SPecies is eons of years old. It also was pronounced extinct eons ago as well [only lived for a couple centuries before being wiped out], but about 500 were saved by a deific interference, and their progeny have co-existed in Arda) This world does indeed not respect that which does not seem to be reality, and they curse the planet's blessings. Earth is weak, and I encourage it's growth as a living being. Even now, the Ley Lines around Arda grow stronger, and the Power of the Dark Circle Clan grows exponentially as the planet's energy is siphoned to our expenses. The Nexus at the Dark Circle (The Clan is named due to their main ritual side, a stonehedge structure called the Dark Circle, which is the most powerful Magical Ley Line Nexus in Earth) fuels our every project and allows us to reinvest our time in rediscovering the magicks that were lost in the First Age, and the powers that the Old Ones hid from the First Races. I do not yet believe that any Non-Orc is worthy to secure such treasures, so I shan't share more with you at this time.

Dorin fades from view.

OOC:
I doubt you will get any support for this as the types of magic chosen by those who use magic tend towards the more redicolously powerful examples. While there are those who do play magic nations reasonably they tend to be in the minority.

Of course there is then the issue of limiting the unlimitable...


Since i tend to completely ignore magic my thoughts are liekly of little use.

(OOC No no, your thoughts are appreciated. The way I worked magic is rather complicated, but there is moderation. For example, if you want to cast magic, there would be a price. For my own nation (which what destroyed for many reasons), when a character would cast a spell which would exceed thier own abilities, a cost would be impimented. It gets complex from there. And also, a magical item would be needed for "global" magic etc.

But I understand what you mean, it gets comlpicated and ti is very easy for players to simply say "I resurrect my entire army!" or something. It is hard to rp it "realisticly" when it is not realistic at all.

No problem with you ignoring magic, I take no offence in that. It is like fantasy ingoring future, because the complications would be too much.)

If you are going to speak of your own power as such, allow me to present myself.

I am Kain Shentavo, a vampire of age 27. However, my existance is not of a normal vamprie. Firstly, I was sired by Ravelyn Shentavo, a angel vampire, a saraphim at that. I came from a nation where magic is the lifeblood of the land, not that it exists now, due to reasons I will not reveal. It causes me pain.

I have the knowledge of an ancient demon, simply put from the demon itself. That is all you need to know on that subject, as the entire story is intensely complicated. But, needless to say, my knowledge spans over aeons themselves, the demonic magic is mostly out of my reach now, due to the practicalities of casting many of the spells.

It is most curious to encounter a being such as yourself. Although I would find it strange that you would think that non-orc would be worthy of such things, but I do not know of your people. Many people would consider that prejudice, but many people would deny magic's existance, yes? I understand your rationality in this.

Kain Shentavo

"Humans are not to be trusted, even those whom have taken the possession of human corpses spirit," Dorin sneered. "Neither are Elves, neither are Dwarves, neither are Demons, neither are Spirits of Light, or 'Angels' are you coin the term with your humanistic perception, or any other race that has existed since the Rise of the Archaic Races of Nobility. THey all seek selfish gains and selfish wants, either ignorant or uncaring for their own destruction of what must be. The ChumRas Orka is the only clensing goal that will secure a true lasting Empire, and such a goal is blessed by Pantheons of Pantheons.

"I care little of what you are, or how much you think you know. I was born because your race existed, and before the demon that inhabits you ever had a Plane of Hell to be birthed in. I am the closest derivative to the Creation of All Magicks and All Gods there is in existence since the Old Ones were put to Eternal Sleep within the Mountains of the Old Palladium Kingdom. I have but one piece of advice for you human:

"Magic will always be weak in the hands of a single person. The true power is in Ritual, not incantations and spells. The Ritual that requires more summoners, the better. The more power granted to the Circle, the greater it shall become. Our Clans contain two totally involved in the mystic arts, with three hybrids. Together, there are more than a hundred million skilled wizards, sorcerers, warlocks, magicians, invokers, summoners, druids, beastmasters, shifters, ley line walkers, golem masters, rune masters, tattoo artists, techno-wizards, healers, necromancers, conjurers, and ritualists, all of which advance our discoveries to learn what we've missed, as well as fortify the secrets of which the High Orcs are the last witnesses. If you wish to know the rules of a force that exists outside the bounds of reality, I shall inform you that it is dependant on the number of those skilled to command the force and how well they are at working together and sustaining their Inner Strength.

"A single being can only do a single action at a single time. It makes one weak, and a fleshy target . . . Human," Dorin grinned, his pronounced jowl filled with fanged teeth.

I find your own assumption amusing to me, for one who would dictate to me that you are supirour, when I find flaws within your character, what I am supposed to think? Regardless of your assumption, I was no human during life.

And you lecture to me, things which my people, have known for centuries? Channeling, as it was called, a great action of entire communities, and, when the situation demanded, the entire nation of Velmora would participate. I remember when I was a child, and the entire nation had to defend itself against a meteor which was naturally coming down. We errected a shield which was barely strained in any way, through our simultanous actions.

And have you wondered, how magic works? Why such methods of simultanity, are so powerful? Why, a new langauge was formed specifically for magic? Why such complicated methods are required in many cases for those without the greater knowledge and understanding of many, to create the desired reality, into reality? I would be happy to indulge my own knowledge to you. I understand why, what you say and these things which my deceased race have been doing, work so well.

That is, if you are stilling willing to learn, as all magic users should through thier entire existance?



Kain Shentavo

We would like to note that while we reckognise that magic could be used for mass destruction perposes it also has it's problems, much like conventional WMD.

The use of magic as a tool of mass destruction would have to deal with a few problems; like conventional WMD it can be countered if you have the right methods. Lord Zoltan tells me that such magic can always be countered through the use of counter spells. For example, a large summoned meteorite would still be subject to gravity and could be countered with the use of the spell "reverse gravity". This is often the case.

Another problem is that of Mutually Assured Destruction; this is the problem with the use of nuclear weapons and ICBM's. When one nations attempts to use WMD the victim of such an attack will react in the same manner... so both nations would be trying to destroy one another.

This naturally creates the reason why nations don't use magic for mass destruction, in fear of other nations retaliating. However, we would like to note that there isn't any actual international law regarding nuclear weapons... it's just accepted that their use ensures destruction of both nations.

Finally, their is the problem of reality. Reality doesn't like large powerful spells as they break the rules, such a nation using powerful magic could have a problem with reality bouncing back... the universe doens't like people messing with it.

We would like to note that magic laws are subject to the nations own laws regarding magic. We wouldn't obey the laws of a nation that tries to impose on the international community and we certainly can't trust the words of a vampire.

As such our use of magic will remain the same and laws will be in place for our own people. You don't follow our laws, we don't follow yours.


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Zoltan's Advisor, Jake Smithe

The RP behind the nation. (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3002468#3002468)

And have you wondered, how magic works? Why such methods of simultanity, are so powerful? Why, a new langauge was formed specifically for magic? Why such complicated methods are required in many cases for those without the greater knowledge and understanding of many, to create the desired reality, into reality? I would be happy to indulge my own knowledge to you. I understand why, what you say and these things which my deceased race have been doing, work so well.

Dorin the Darkweaver laughed, "Those need not wonder when they know the answers neonate. The most novice of all casters to be are educated in the forces they deal with on an hourly basis more than adequately. They understand what created magic, where it exists, and how to use it, as well as the reprocussions of its abuse."

Dorin grinned once more, "It'd be a different language for you, indeed. But not for us who have lived in the times near the First Age, where that language was the only one in existence, not this English Dialect of HumanSpeak I mutter now, ever so eloquently. Most of our race do speak fluently in 4 tongues, which I can say is more than I've met from any other. Those that choose the mystic professions, however, must be taught several more, depending on their schools of teaching. The very planet speaks, and one must know how to interpret it."

The High Orc's muscular arms folded, the sleeves of his dark robe folding around his limbs, "I have little time and little patience for Non-Orcs, and I cannot say how your presence shall be treated in Arda. You are not to be trusted, and I do not believe that even if I were to tolerate such filth on our region, that I could guarentee your safety. You do not seek the ChumRas Orka, and in that respects, you are no potential ally to us."

Indeed. But we find that a single corrupted act will fester into a conspiracy. A nessacery step it has been called.

"In response to your question, the royal family includes anyone directly related to me by blood. At present only three people are legally allowed to learn or use Necromancy, one of them incapable at this time due to a coma. The head advisor is also allowed to learn Necromancy under me but choses not to. Currently I am exploring other options to strengthen the Necromantic arts within Nili."

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His Divine Ruler,
Lord Yurka

OOC: Wow, I didnt realise people practiced magik in the NS universe, I thought it was meant to be modern rp with maybe a touch of sci fi. If people do use magik I might craft my nation to be a magik using one.

OOC: Wow, I didnt realise people practiced magik in the NS universe, I thought it was meant to be modern rp with maybe a touch of sci fi. If people do use magik I might craft my nation to be a magik using one.
OOC: There are many different genres in NS. Some nations stick to strictly realistic RPs, some are near-future or sci-fi, some are full-fledged fantasy, some have both magic and super-tech, some have non-human sentient species that otherwise follow realistic science, and a few even RP in medieval, WWI, or WWII times. Be warned that often nations from one genre ignore those from another, though there are also nations that are willing to RP with anything.

Ooc: I.e. me! We appear as mysterious warriors in other time frames. Being far future tech has it's bonuses.