NationStates Jolt Archive

Many nations have requested access to Relic's substantial technology base. This puts us at a perplexing problem; do we sell our secrets and become rich beyond imagination, but in doing so destroy the world with technology it isn't ready for, or do we keep it to ourselves. We have come up with an idea that will fulfill the best parts of both options.

We call it the Technocracy.

Scientifically advanced nations from around the world can now unite under this banner, gaining new technology through trade, and ensuring undesireables are kept underfoot and harmless.

Policies

1) A pool of technologies available for use by all members will be formed.

2) The future tech pool is accessible only to future tech nations.

3) Members are prohibited from selling technology gained from the Technocracy tech pool.

4) Any original tech that is developed and sold by a member nation is put automatically into the tech pool. If they do not sell it, it does not need to be added to the pool. This does not apply to products that include the tech.

5) All members of the technocracy must agree never to attack Sileetris or her allies(Relic Region, Crimson Blades, some others.....)

6) A member may withdraw at any time, but may not keep any gained tech, their tech will be removed from the tech pool.

7) Anyone caught using the tech unrealistically or in bad RP style will be kicked out, and the technology they gained from joining will be taken from them, the tech they applied with will remain in the pool.

Application

To qualify as a member, you must agree to the above terms, and have a technology we deem useful to add to the tech pool, provide a link to a description if possible please. We may ask for more than one technology if we feel one isn't sufficient. Money won't buy you a way in.

Region
Technocratic Alliance (password given to members upon joining, we recommend sending a puppet representative)

Current Member List
Sileetris- President
All of Relic Region
Farfetched prospect
New Empire
Anarresa
Mekanta

Allies of Sileetris
Relic Region
Crimson Blades

Current Tech Pool
Sileetris
Cold Plasma: http://www.freewebs.com/bluebomber/techcontracts.htm
-General Use
-Wiring
-Decontamination
Magnetic Bearings: http://www.freewebs.com/bluebomber/techcontracts.htm
Tesla Turbines: http://www.freewebs.com/bluebomber/techcontracts.htm
Cascading, Self-Cancelling Doppler Effect, Gridded Radar: http://www.freewebs.com/bluebomber/techcontracts.htm
Farfetched prospect
Synthetic Diamonds: http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.09/diamond.html?pg=1&topic=&topic_set=
Maglev: http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=122885&highlight=
Liquid Breathing: http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=136817
New Empire
Super Cavitation: *bottom of page 1 in this thread*
Future Tech Pool
Mekanta
Mass Driver Technology
Sentient AI
Unfinished Tech Pool
Anarresa
Electro-Magnetic Ballistics Shielding (EMBS)

I have been waiting for a group as this.....I wish to join as technology I would add the Mole



Designed for deep mining operations,

How would you remove your tech from thier [insert whatever the tech is for? War? And if they can't attack you, why doesnt it say you can't attack them?

#TAG# I'll post something ICly tommorow.

TAG. My fellowship of nations may decide to join.

Let me make it clear on the kind of tech we are looking for (sorry Farfetched prospect). We do not simply want a vehicle, we want the technology behind the vehicle, technology that could be implemented in other fields.

Using Ffp as an example, while the mole is all well and good, it is a specific unit, and its technology is very narrow and very straightforward. It digs, with a drill, not a new concept. If he instead gave a method of producing high quality artifical diamonds at a low cost, he would be in. To do that though, he would have to find some proof or explanation, and ensure that no nation has it copyrighted already.

Fluffywuffy: We get them on RP principle. While technically I could claim to have spies steal plans for Raysia's premiere jets, then make knockoff copies of them, I would be ignored. Sileetris also has a good quantity of PK viruses on hand for such an occasion anyway.

I really have no reason to attack them if they don't attack me or my allies first, and I can say they can't attack me because the service I offer here is very potent. I made the rules, I made the organization, I made an investment of some of my best technology, and I think I'm entitled to some privileges.

So your saying that if Implement usable Tech I would be in?

Farfetched prospect: Yep, we don't want the mole, we want the artificial diamonds that cover its drills(once again assuming you can give a realistic explanation and no one else has done it).

I would also like to point out that a tech can have potentially god moddy applications, but if anyone is caught abusing them they will be thrown out.

Farfetched prospect: Yep, we don't want the mole, we want the artificial diamonds that cover its drills(once again assuming you can give a realistic explanation and no one else has done it).



Atificial Diamonds are home grown, I copyright this right here and now.....information on subject-------->Here (http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.09/diamond.html?pg=1&topic=&topic_set=)

tag

Farfetched prospect: You're in!

Farfetched prospect: You're in!

happy days..I might wanna add liquid breathing at a later point, as soon I get the bugs out.....is there a special region for this alliance?

Err...how do you feel about futuretech?
If its acceptable, DGNT will be happy to donate Nanotechnology and Gravity Tech, as well as a few other neat peices of ownage :)

Err...how do you feel about futuretech?
If its acceptable, DGNT will be happy to donate Nanotechnology and Gravity Tech, as well as a few other neat peices of ownage :)

If you are excepting, could you put Future tech in a separate catagetry?

Dontgonearthere: The problem with futuretech is it tends to explain stuff by simply saying 'IT R FRUM TEH FUTAR!!!12'. If you can provide a fact based source, then there is no problem. If it can be proven to exist within the realms of possible tech in modern times, it is good.

Not that I'm saying modern tech and modernish nations should freely take futuretech stuff out for a spin. If anyone is caught futureteching a modern nation it will be considered godmodding.

EDIT: Farfeteched has a point, you still have to prove how your stuff works, but modern tech nations can't use it. new rule added

*el bumpo*

I Wish to add, Maglev tech, adaptable for multiple things

Refrence: Here (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=122885&highlight=)

Very well, maglev is obviously a common enough concept to where it can be made by anyone, so there is no copyright on it. However this donation means that members of the organization can get the tech for free w/o research.

Despite the fact one of our indirect enemies is in this alliance, we will join this alliance. Should any of this technology be used on our allies, we will withdraw immediately. But here is our little gift-

Supercavitation and Subfighters
Since their invention many years ago, ocean going vessels have always been plagued by the turbulence they create. Water is around 1000 times thicker than air, and logically induces 1000 times more drag on any object traveling through it.

The results are... Slow speeds. Conventional surface ships and submarine speed have always been limited to no more than 40 or 50 mph.
Supercavitation removes all these limits on speed...

Supercavitation occurs when an object moving though water reaches speeds in excess of 100 knots (110mph). If the object has a correctly shaped ‘cavitator’ on its nose, a bubble of air starts to form around the object... This extends to cover the entire object, and hence the object is no longer moving through water, but through air, which creates but a fraction of the friction! Hence craft will be capable of racing at high speed on or below the surface of the ocean.

Traveling in a bubble kills off all traditional marine propulsion techniques. Propellers spinning in air won't be much good after all… The only engines that will work are the same ones which power our ships to the stars… Rocket engines. Supercavitational craft will be high speed, highly maneuverable rocket powered fighters.

A supercavitational craft would have to have a nose with a specially designed ‘cavitator’ which extends the bubble and makes it stable. The size and length of the bubble is dependant on speed, although it size can be increased by ‘ventilated supercavitation’. In ventilated supercavitation, air is pumped into the bubble to increase its size and ensure that it covers the entire supercavitating projectile. The Shkval for example, uses ventilated supercavitation by redirecting part of the exhaust gases from its rocket engines through outlets near the nose of the torpedo.

Supercavitating subfighters will be the ‘Tomcats of the deep’, patrolling the oceans at over a thousand miles per hour. They can turn off their engines, loiter indefinitely, silent, undetectable. Aircraft launched to intercept them will circle aimlessly overhead, unable to target them. They will attack who they want, when they want.

The Admiral Mickolai Angelus ( CVSN-88 ) is the next step in the evolution of the aircraft carrier. Not only will it be capable of traveling underwater, the changing face of naval warfare will also change it into a ‘subcraft’ carrier. Unlike the slow moving behemoth carriers of today, the Angelus is fast and stealthy, capable of traveling at high speed underwater for thousands of miles, and then loitering undetected. Crossing all the advantages of an aircraft carrier and a submarine, and throwing in the speed of a jet fighter, the Angelus keeps the carrier relevant in the age of high speed underwater battle.Unlike a subfighter, the Angelus as a carrier cannot be limited by range. To be effective it needs the ability to travel great distances underwater, and to complete tours without the need to refuel.

Moving such a large object underwater would require vast amounts of rocket fuel. Luckily for the Angelus, the fuel is all around it! Seawater is made up of Hydrogen and Oxygen. Hydrogen is the most energetic rocket fuel there is. The Angelus’ nuclear reactor provides the energy to separate the hydrogen from the oxygen, allowing the Angelus to burn hydrogen in its rocket engines and giving the Angelus effectively unlimited range.

What is most amazing, is that the Angelus and subfighters, moving around in a bubble of air underwater, are almost never wet!

By its very revolutionary nature, supercavitation has presented an entire new range of problems to overcome in designing these new high speed underwater craft, especially with regards to guiding them. Guidance presents one of the largest obstacles for supercavitating craft. Early versions of the Shkvals are thought to be ‘straight shooters’ capable only of flying in a straight line. Supercavitational bullets are also by their very nature unguided. The ability to successfully steer a supercavitational craft presents perhaps the most difficult aspect of fully utilizing the technology. Any control surface within the bubble will have little or no affect on the direction of the craft.

Steering a supercavitational craft creates the dual problems of both having to steer the bubble, and manipulating the bubble when turning to keep the craft in the supercavity. The latter is essential since if the fuselage were to come into contact with the ocean outside the bubble, then the force of suddenly hitting a wall of water would instantly crush it.

The solution envisioned in New Empire to steer the bubble is accomplished using wing like ‘fins’ which extrude from the fuselage and extend beyond the supercavitational bubble. Whilst these would cause some increase in friction, they have the far greater benefit of allowing the supercavitational bubble to be steered. The fins would operate as control surfaces which could steer the bubble, and have the additional benefit of stabilizing the craft within the inherently unstable supercavitational bubble.

The ability to control and manipulate the supercavitational bubble is also essential in both increasing maneuverability and to stop the crushing of the craft as it turns. The bubble creating cavitator at the nose of the craft would have to be capable of quickly changing its position and angle to both ensure the bubble is always encasing the craft and to compensate for varying water pressure as the craft’s depth changes.

Steering is aided through the use of thrust vectoring on the exhausts of the rocket engines, similar to current day proven systems used on the F-22 or SU-37 fighter jets. It has been widely speculated that thrust vectoring would greatly increase the maneuverability of supercavitational craft. The thrust vectored nozzles direct thrust both horizontally and vertically to allow much tighter turns and angles of attack, and assist the fins in effectively steering the bubble.

Cavitation in conventional marine craft is so dreaded because it can cause extensive damage to propellers as the bubbles implode. Fortunately, the decrease in the supercavitational bubble, as long as it is controlled, would not have such an effect. A gradual slow down has the effect of progressively reducing the size of the supercavitational bubble, gradually exposing the fuselage to greater amounts of friction.

As such as long as there is not a sudden collapse of the bubble, no damage is expected in leaving the supercavitational bubble.

*bump*

New Empire is in!

Would a new material type be allowed for this, or would that qualify as a single product like that Mole Mine thing.

I would like to add the "Liquid Breathing" Tech

Source: here (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=136817)

I would like to add the "Liquid Breathing" Tech

Source: here (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=136817)

You don't really explain how it works or what its made out of...

Farfetch prosperity, you are not inventing any new technology there. You are just grabbing some modern day thing and claiming it as your own. If you can copyright modern, unimproved, things (the Diamond Like Carbon you linked to earlier is already in use by me, as a heat disappator on vehicles of mine. I have, before this day, applied in the official NS copyright thread for that use of DLC), then I will copyright the HTML language, as well as the XHTML (there is no special extension for this, for those of you that stare at me confused-it is just a new version of HTML with some new features), Cascading Style Sheets, and more random modern things.

Farfetch prosperity, you are not inventing any new technology there. You are just grabbing some modern day thing and claiming it as your own. If you can copyright modern, unimproved, things (the Diamond Like Carbon you linked to earlier is already in use by me, as a heat disappator on vehicles of mine. I have, before this day, applied in the official NS copyright thread for that use of DLC), then I will copyright the HTML language, as well as the XHTML (there is no special extension for this, for those of you that stare at me confused-it is just a new version of HTML with some new features), Cascading Style Sheets, and more random modern things.

You people just don't get it....the tech is completely differn't from the RL tech............

I think you dont get it. People here are improving upon modern tech, you are just snatching realife work and claiming you own it with no improvements at all, no special use, no nothing.

The Unreal Soldiers: If you have a new type of material that is useful, you will be allowed in.

Everyone else: I'm not going to get into the debate of whether or not his copyrights are valid, but the technology and research is, so the Technocracy can benefit from it.

Scientists at the University of Sleethaven and researchers at Dewar and Co. Ceramics, plc, have manufactured several types of lightweight, transformation resistant (i.e. it does not shatter or fragment on very high energy impact), ballistic ceramics that may be used for engines, armour plating (useful for micrometeoroid protection on satellites and crewed spacecraft). While admittedly not breaking tremendously new ground as with the Tesla turbines, the prevention of the creation of fragile glassy structures within such ceramics is useful.

Thank you,
Peter Boddington, MP
Minister of State for Science and Technology
Ministry of Economic Affairs
United Kingdom of Isselmere-Nieland

We(I should say I, I don't know about the others) already have pretty advanced ceramics technology. We would like to know if your scientists have been able to make transparant versions of this armor. If we could find a way of making windows out of this, you would be in.

If you think about it... All of the research will eventually come from RL. I mean look at those goats making spide silk, if someone made anything biologically you could just say its copying gene-tech.

Thats the idea of this, to connect research to make useful stuff. No one said any of this stuff has to belong to one nation. The idea of this organization is to allow nations access to a wide array of technology for free, all they have to do is contribute. What I hate are people who will take your research and get your technology from it, without giving you anyting in return.

I have some crazy ideas for magnets, but are they MY ideas or am I just sponging off the guy who discovered magnetism? PS: Most of my ideas are a bit crazy and may or may not work. But if they don't I can work out the kinks.

Magnetic Power

How about using spinning magnets as a powersource? All you would need is one huge magnet to spin around a bunch of smaller magnets and use that spinning as a powersource.



Magnetic Flight

Simply by using a bunch of magnets with diffrent polarities you could move things through vast distances using little to no energy.


One pair of magnets will attract to the other magnets but if enough force is used the magnets will repell the ship forward or backwards. Changing polarities would also allow them to shift directions. (If UFOs exist I think this would be the principle behind them, except for the fact that they move extremely fast)

Edit: I also had a little sketch but it didn't come through right. If it doesn't work, tell me why and I'll tweak it a bit.

a. Why wouldnt you just use the power supply thats turning the large magnet to power whatever your using?

b. Wouldnt you need magnet all in the air? Its kinda like MagLev trains but with planes, but I dont see how it could be done.

And adding to that, we already have Maglev tech

Decontamination, Maglev, and sythetic diamonds already exist 8)

Decontamination, Maglev, and sythetic diamonds already exist 8)

yes..but did we have it? no, so one of us reseached it and put it in the pool....

I feel like bumping this, because so many people are missing out on the opportunities this presents.....

We've been working on personal Electro-magnetic defense fields. I.E. moving bullets in flight away from the intended target. So far the design is a miniaturized but powerful Electro-magnet (EM) connected to a strong power source, theoretically creating a magnetic field, intense enough to change bullet trajectories. We have successfully miniaturized the magnet; all we need now is a power source.

(OOC: I can't leave this thread alone. Kee hee hee...)

"The Steel Empire is intrigued..."

"Very well. Being transferred are some samples of what we can bring to your alliance."


Mass Driver Technology
Uses electromagnets to launch a shell at higher velocities than normal. Requires reletively large amounts of power to use. Essentially the same principle as Maglevs. This principle however, differenciates with Railguns, Gauss Cannons, and Rail Launchers.


Sentient AI
By copying the thought processes of humans, creation of fully sentient AI programs though means other than Mekantan AI reproduction is being developed. While still uncertain and inferior to those Mekanta produces, the key to this development is the use of a learning protocol, which allows the AI mind to develop much in the same way that a human mind does.


"Some of our newer technology is currently still classified, but we believe we may be lenient with allies..."

Anarresa: You're in, and we may be able to solve your problem of miniature power sources. The question is if you need a long lasting power source, or do you need a lot of power in a short burst...

Mekanta: You're in, but those techs will have to go into the future tech pool. You can still use both pools though, so its no big deal.

Short bursts are fine, it would just be turned on in times of danger (or long speeches/parandes for V.I.P.s)

We also have a name: Electro-Magnetic Ballistics Shielding EMBS

A capacitor of suffcient strength might be able to do what you need, it could be charged up by a kinetic energy battery. It would probably have to go in the future tech pool though, because modern tech people will regard it as gomodding(except maybe in the VIP at speech use).