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God Bless Tesla Turbines!

Tesla Turbines

Nikola Tesla, without a doubt the greatest inventor of the 20th century, made many devices that went unnoticed below the fantastic claims he had for his tesla coils. He dabbled in the science of fluid dynamics and designed a new type of pump that would revolutionize the world. Obviously it failed to do so, but only because the materials technology at the time was so primitive. That was 1913, this is 2013.

A Tesla turbine relies on two propeties common to all liquids and gases; viscosity, and adhesion. Consisting simply of a bunch of thin metal disks on a drive shaft, mounted inside a container with 2 openings, tesla turbines are incredibly simple. Liquids or gases are sucked in one end, and they stick to the disks, as the disks turn the material is flung off the disks by their rotation. This process is extremely smooth running and effcicient because it uses the properties of liquids and gases to its advantage, rather than simply forcing them through mechanically. Unlike a typical engine, power can be turned on and off instantly without a cool-down or warm-up period, when power is cut, propulsion stops, when its turned back on it pumps again, the time between can be so fast as to be unnoticeable.

The change is dramatic. The amount of power compared to the amount of weight is astounding. As rotation speed doubles, power quadruples. Back in 1913 it was theoretically possible to generate 53 hp with 1 lb of disk material. Tesla estimated that a steam ship that generated 70,000 hp could be made to deliver 4,000,000 hp in the same space.

The problem back then was the need for constant oil on the bearings to keep them from overheating at the enormous RPMs they were capable of running at (50,000 or more in some cases). This problem alone rendered the technology unviable.

So how is it we can use this all of a sudden? Quite simple; magnetic bearings. We can now use superconducting cold plasma magnets instead of steel ball bearings and oil. 90% efficiency, here we come!

The applications for such a powerful turbine are unlimited. It can be used directly to boost air speed in jet engines, or enable scramjets to work at low speeds. It can be put into the water and used directly instead of propellors. It can be reversed and used to generate electricity. These are the pumps and generators of the future. (God bless Serbian American inventors with tremendous scientific insight.)

Not for Sale

Sources:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=tesla+pump

Take a look again at our Relic Edition Valefor 29a (http://www.freewebs.com/bluebomber/storefrontaircraft.htm) we had to bump the price up because of all the obscure tech we've been implementing lately. Once again RelicArms proves to be a force to be reckoned with!

I love you man!

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But anyway, we are very interested in these pumps. Hows about we give you some (lots) of R&D money and scientists, and materials fabrication, and experimental vehicles etc. etc. and we cooperate on the project and mabye make some new engines, pumps, fuel cells, rockets.....

Sound good?

Don't worry, our recent technological buildup has been for a good cause. We may soon make a way for these technologies to be used by the common nation, that is if we can find a way for their widespread use not to cause global catastrophe as super efficient killing machines are made.............

In the mean time, don't piss us off, cause the Valefor is a baron of hell, and it rules you pathetic damned souls from its lofty position in the skies.

Well, there will always be dual use technology. But we're perplexed as to how this innocuous technology could be turned into a death machine. Would does it let things do? Rockets to fly faster, ships to steam faster, and tanks to roll faster, yes. But I sincerely doubt that improvements in effeciency of current technology will result in global catastrophy and the proliferation of this technology will benefit all of mankind.

Besides, you could always break out ye ol' technobabble to make reverse engineering the tech by anything less than a future tech nation impossible. And since most of them are already capable of causing a global catastrophy at a moment's notice, there's no real loss...

The near perfect efficiency of these engines would mean a new generation of war machines could be built. A vehicle using this tech can go farther and faster than one that can't, on less fuel, meaning the economic side effects of war would be lowered much more. Better tech at cheaper price = faster warfare = people more willing to go to war. Worse still, its conventional, so there is no added moral repercussions to employing it.

True it may have fantastic civilian applications, however, look at nuclear energy, we have power plants and bombs.

We are in the process of deciding what to do with this.....

Relic, keeping cyanide laced candy away from kids, technologically speaking.

Yeah, I guess it is for the better that you keep this tech out of the hands of other nations.

Nikola Tesla, a genious, a shame he isn't recognized as he should be. If only the world were ready for him back then.

You want 1913 technology applied to 2013?

Bring back the One Man Torpedo!

New Zanzibaria's navy (Steve, our guy with a boat) utilizes the One Man Torpedo. He also utilizes his deadly oars as melee weapons. We are yet undefeated, of course.

Correct me if I say this wrong, but Im confused on how this works.

Theres a tube or container of some sort with the driveshaft and disks inside. When you turn it on(how is it powered? Plug it in, fuel?), the shaft spins, sucking the air/liquid in one end and spitting it out the other?

"The Empire will do most anything to acquire such a technology, including treaties not to sell it to others, and other such restrictions. We also have plentiful amounts of cash."

-Emperor Tiberius Stewart

In fact, LRR engines use something similar to this, but developed without knowledge of Tesla Turbines. And they are nothing special really. They just make LRR engines more fuel efficent. Don't do much for speed.

The Unreal Soldiers:
You have the gist of it, there are diagrams to look at in the google search.

Power is applied to it via electric motor(reversed to be used as generator).

When you want it to pump stuff=> apply power to the motor => turns the disks => push the air => creates thrust.

When you want it to generate power => force stuff through it(such as steam or combusting gas) => turns the disks => crank the generator => creates electricity.

The United Kingdom of Isselmere-Nieland is greatly interested in this new/old technology, and would be glad to assist in the R&D for some reasonable consideration. The Government would abide by any restrictions you may wish to put on this technology.

Thank you,
Sir George Fredericks, MP, CS, KL
Minister of Foreign Affairs and International Development
UKIN

The UCSNE would be very interested in this technology, and is willing to trade any of our systems if you will not accept money. The Tesla turbine may be considered as an alternative to our Hydrogen-Mix Rockets for our next generation aircraft and supercavitating subcraft.

{UCSNE Department of Technology and Science}

So basically your taking a visous diferential and using it to make energy?

The USSCF is very intrested in this technology, and we would be willing to donate a huge sum of money (to the order of four hundred billion United States dollars) as well as skilled scientists and engineers to this project, provided we are allowed to share in the fruits of the research. Something like this could improve the efficiency of our hydrogen fuel cell technology by ten fold.

You copyrighted this? Really? I thought it was Tesla's idea.

Ergo AFRP is in the process of obtaining copies of Tesla's research to do a study of the practicality of his ideas and possible uses.

(OOC: I ain't stealing, just inspired to look farther and do our own research!)

OOC-PS: Kinda hard use "well" known work and copyright it, usually I though you could copyright original things (or pesdo original). But if past RL tech can be copyrighted then AFRP shall past a copyright for the following:

The wheel
Fire
Crop rotation

So you all better pony up! :twisted:

Terra dextra desire your research on tesla coils to repeat his experiement into creating the ray gun, a weapon of limitless power that can destroy anything in its path and bring once and for all the dominance of teerra dextra over all nations.

You will copyrigth fire? How can you copyright something that happens naturaly? If you can copyright fire, I will copyright breathing, water, food, electricity, and lightning.

Imitora: No. A VD kinda works on one of the principles involved, but thats really as similar as the two get.

Everyone: Goto this thread
Technocratic Alliance (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2995042#2995042)

I would like to add that it is perfectly fair to NS copyright a technology that isn't fairly well known or in use by anyone. I got to it first, the winnar is meh.

The Lesson: Get off your ass and research technologies to solve your problems.

Fine, not fire, but crop rotation and wheel are still mine!

Terra dextra desire your research on tesla coils to repeat his experiement into creating the ray gun, a weapon of limitless power that can destroy anything in its path and bring once and for all the dominance of teerra dextra over all nations.

Yea....too bad thats impossible. Nevermind the fact thats its one ginourmous godmod.

Terra dextra desire your research on tesla coils to repeat his experiement into creating the ray gun, a weapon of limitless power that can destroy anything in its path and bring once and for all the dominance of teerra dextra over all nations.


Yea....too bad thats impossible. Nevermind the fact thats its one ginourmous godmod.

Nevermind it has nothing to do with our application of his research in a different field of science.

Poor Tesla, hes probably spinning in his turbine style grave.

Could this technology be applied to space propulsion, or do they require an atmosphere to operate in?


Captain-General Seifer Marik ~ 1st Free World Guards


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The idea itself is novel, but with plasma batteries, we really feel we are fine where we are.

Could this technology be applied to space propulsion, or do they require an atmosphere to operate in?

Based on the descriptions, without air coming in you cant have anything gettin pushed out, so no vacuum use.

Free Worlds League: Not unless you had mass for it to pump, but that would mean carrying around big tanks of stuff to pump out, and that would suck.

Imitora: We would be very interested in knowing how you do that(unless you are future tech). We have perfected cold plasma(I hope to god you aren't using hot plasma) technology, but we can only see it being used in capacitors, because it tends to be kinda superconducting. Unless you have some way of slowly drawing power from it without burning conventional wiring away.....?

I would like to add that it is perfectly fair to NS copyright a technology that isn't fairly well known or in use by anyone. I got to it first, the winnar is meh.

The Lesson: Get off your ass and research technologies to solve your problems.


OOC:
I have never, nor will I ever, pay heed to IC copyright claims; international law only requioring people to obey what they've agreed to obey and all that. OOCly, I'll respect copyright claims for original creations on basis of intilectual property, and because they actually bothered to create the dang thing rather than rip it from somewhere.

With that in mind, I might adopt the base concept and design principals created by Tesla, but would apply my own innovation and IC material sciences to make it work.

Kanuckistan: That is what I did, that first post contains statistics from articles, but the technology to make it work came from me. The tech page on our storefront website shows the technologies that had to be researched before we could make this practical. I've had to gather a lot of innovative procedures to make this technology viable, and it took a long time and a lot of brainstorming to do. Hence my hesitation to sell it to anyone, and my intention to copyright it. I did all the work and for someone to just come along and pay for it with invisible money isn't worth it. Even worse is someone who sees this thing I developed and decides that since I won't sell it, they'll just bootleg their own version of it. I gave sources for all this and now you are going to simply read over my research and change a few parts.

because they actually bothered to create the dang thing rather than rip it from somewhere.
You wouldn't be making your own version of this right now if you hadn't seen me do this first. You are ripping it off of me.

I posted this to show off a new technology I developed so it wouldn't be called god modding when I used it. What the hell was I supposed to do, keep it a secret? You people need to get ahead in the technology race by using your own ideas and more importantly your own research.

\Imitora: We would be very interested in knowing how you do that(unless you are future tech). We have perfected cold plasma(I hope to god you aren't using hot plasma) technology, but we can only see it being used in capacitors, because it tends to be kinda superconducting. Unless you have some way of slowly drawing power from it without burning conventional wiring away.....?

Future tech...Resi aint the only one with plasma based electronics.

because they actually bothered to create the dang thing rather than rip it from somewhere.
You wouldn't be making your own version of this right now if you hadn't seen me do this first. You are ripping it off of me.


Hardly; you merely brought an existing concept to the attention of the nationstates community. To rip it off from you, I would have to copy something you actually created; original work or ideas.

And I'm not making my own version; you've actually reminded me of another technoogy I saw some time ago with similar applications, and if I find the initiative to persue such, it would be that(besides, this is the kind of thing that private industry would invest in developing, not the government).

The main purpose of my post was, basicly, to denounce the practice of claiming to copyright something taken from RL sources, and point out that, ICly and RL, copyright claims have absoloutly no legal sway in the international community unless involved nations have signed an agreement to that effect.

Hardly; you merely brought an existing concept to the attention of the nationstates community. To rip it off from you, I would have to copy something you actually created; original work or ideas.I had to make this thread so no one would think I'm pulling a magic engine out of my ass. It should also be noted that there are very few(I'm tempted to say no) technologies(feasible) actually created in NS, everyone has thusfar based their stuff on things that already exist, because scientists have thought of nearly everything at some point(and if someone here mysteriously and miraculously touches on something that has never been considered before, present it to some type of scientist or something.).

And I'm not making my own version; you've actually reminded me of another technoogy I saw some time ago with similar applications, and if I find the initiative to persue such, it would be that(besides, this is the kind of thing that private industry would invest in developing, not the government). Thats all I wanted to hear, I can't stop you from developing alternative engines, but I can get very pissed off if you make a slapdash alteration to mine. More power to you then. Also my country has no private industry, and I think the government would be very interested in such a thing(lowering dependance on foreign fuels, cutting down on pollution, creating better military units).

The main purpose of my post was, basicly, to denounce the practice of claiming to copyright something taken from RL sources, and point out that, ICly and RL, copyright claims have absoloutly no legal sway in the international community unless involved nations have signed an agreement to that effect.(once again I make the point that RL(and fictional) sources are usually the only sources) I would also like to say that NS IC politics and RL politics are very different, and NS politics are subject to the concept of good role playing. If we had no copyright system, I would be free to incorporate everyone's technology into super powerful units, as would everyone else, until modern tech in NS resembles future tech IRL.

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lowering dependance on foreign fuels, cutting down on pollution,
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I take it you haven't invested in commercial-scale Thermal Deploymerzation(sp?) facilities?

I was citing some possible examples, Sileetris already has its fuel/power situation handled. I don't care if you find another type of engine, I just don't want you using mine is all.

I just don't want you using mine is all.

And I'm just saying you have no justifyible complaint to discourage me or anyone else from taking the same RL informational base and design concepts and expanding on them through my/their own innovation.

And, actually, I do have several concepts possibly feasible with modern tech that I've not seen elsewhere, along with a number of applications for those and existing concepts and designs.

Raysia is interested in your magnetic bearings. Is this common technology, or something unique to your nation?

Magnetic bearings are a concept being developed IRL with some success, however the perfected technology we use requires the use of cold plasma(again, a tech we've spent years perfecting).

How is your Tesla turbine any different than any other turbine, except the magnetic bearings... which is not an original idea?

*sigh*
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Normal turbine=pushing stuff through with pressure

Tesla turbine=sliding stuff through because of liquid/gas physics
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Stop trying to find ways to justify stealing my stuff damit!

I find it sad people can see copywriting tanks as legitimate(they can be copied IRL), but can't see copyrighting technologies(copied all the time IRL).

THIS IS NS, NOT REAL LIFE.

*sigh*
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Normal turbine=pushing stuff through with pressure

Tesla turbine=sliding stuff through because of liquid/gas physics
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Stop trying to find ways to justify stealing my stuff damit!

I find it sad people can see copywriting tanks as legitimate(they can be copied IRL), but can't see copyrighting technologies(copied all the time IRL).

THIS IS NS, NOT REAL LIFE.

You're paranoid, you know that? I don't give a damn about "stealing" your Tesla turbines. Normal turbines work by moving fluids because of physical laws, too, you know. It's not just about pushing things through with pressure. Have you actually taken a class on propulsion dynamics? I was simply asking you a legitimate question about the system you use.

I find it sad people can see copywriting tanks as legitimate(they can be copied IRL), but can't see copyrighting technologies(copied all the time IRL).


Oh, ICly I ignore all copyrights equally; OOCly I respect original work, but only the original aspects.

This is just a policy, however; my policy of being as 'home grown' in my gear and kit as possible has thusfar prevented me from practicing what I preach, as it were.