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NS Aircraft Requirements

This document has been severely revised from the poorly written one late last night...

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What is this thread? This thread is for nations to list their aircraft requirements, be it fighters, bombers, transports, helicopters, refuelers, or whatever - so long as they are modern tech, up to and including 2020. This is also a thread for nations to list a specific RL aircraft that they wish to acquire.

Why? On an international level, nations that see other nations with similar aircraft requirements will be able to locate candidates for a joint project, which will encourage development of more advanced and better aircraft.

On a domestic level, Zoogiedom corporations are looking for nations that have a fairly large requirement for real life equipment. Our corporations may consider negotiating contracts with that nation for the production of a modified and improved variant of the said aircraft, with some modifications available on request.

When requesting, please provide the category (air superiority fighter, multirole fighter, strike fighter, tanker, cargo, attack helicopter, et cetera) and a description of your request, and also the estimated amount required.

Nation Aircraft Requests and listings...

Zoogiedom Corporations -
Welcome to nation aircraft listings and requests. Feel free to browse through to see the aircraft requirements of other nations. We hope this will be fertile ground for joint projects and military sales between nations.

Press Control+F to enter the search feature that allows you to find a specific nation quickly.

We ourselves are also looking for nation requirements here. Specifically, we are seeking nations that need large amounts of Eurofighters, Rafales, Su-37s, and perhaps others in quantities of 900 and beyond.

Aircraft listings below...


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Heavy Bomber

Preferred Type:
Modified B-52H

Requirements:
::Basic B-52H Statistics::
Bomb load of 85,000-90,000lbs (Mixed Ordinance)
Engines producing at least 20,000lbs of thrust each
Ceiling of 55,000-60,000ft AGL

Heavy Bomber

Preferred Type:
Modified Boeing 777

Requirements:
::Basic Boeing 777 Statistics::
Bomb load of 95,000-100,000lbs (Mixed Ordinance)



Fighter Bomber:

Requirements: Replacement for F-15 Eagle

1) Bomb load of 20-25,000 lbs, with additional provision for AAMs
2) Performance equal to better than F-15E
3) Ceiling of 45,000 ft



B52: 12 of them with the same bombload as yours and mixed ordinance.

F16:15 F16 fighter planes with about 4 rockets and two smart weapons.

Stealth Bomber: 2 with a 30,000 pound bomb load and two rockets. Mixed ordinance composing mainly of smart bombs and bunker busters.


Required: Ground Support Plane
Advanced or similar to A-10 Thunderbolt II
Anti-tank, anti-ground, close air support
Modern Technology only, please.

General Specifications:
Excellent maneuverability in sub-sonic (min. MACH 0.5, max 0.9)
Range of 700-900 nautical miles
Better than average survivability
STOL preferred
Excellent avionics
Average (or better than) counter-measures

Armament Specifications:
2 x 30mm Gatling or Vulcan
minimum 9,000 kg of mixed ordnance (12-15 pylons)

I'm flexible on some of these specifications; however, this is something to get started on. At the moment, being an island nation, I'm looking at purchasing only 500. However, as I expand my Air Force, which is restricted to primarily Air Superiority and Anti-Ship, I'll expand my ground support crafts.

Required: High Manuverability Light Attack/Scout Helicopter
Similar in design and statistics to OH-6/AH-6 "Mini Bird"
Post Modern Tech (2004-2020)

General Specifications:
Manuverability comprable or better than OH-6
Range of 475-550 km
Vertical Climb Speed of 9-13 m/sec
Cruise Speed of 240-270 km/h
NOTAR system (for more info go here: http://www.kulikovair.com/Notar.htm )
Better then average Avionics
Better then average survivability against shoulder launched SAMs

Armament Specifications:
4 hardpoints (2 on each wing) capable of carrying all standard helicopter mounted weapons (machine guns, 20mm gattling guns, and anti tank missles)
Note: Armaments should not cause a large decrease in manuverability, speed or other performance aspects.


I'm looking for 2 things (I post this everywhere, but nobody even replies, (Well Crookfur did, but never got back to me))
A pilotless drone fighter
A pilotless HEAVY bomber

The drone fighter is a British suggestion, where 1 "mother ship" with a pilot, gives AWACs support and orders from a central computer on board.
The drones would be small with a limited fuel capacity, but could possibly be increased with addition of a modified SCRAMjet. There would be roughly 20-30 drones, which would be armed with an AT, or similar cannon/machine gun. This could also be used to destroy fighters, or, more importantly, large groups of enemy bombers. Given the pilot flies at a substantial altitude, it is possible that he may get a visual identification of stealthy bombers, and could get a drone group to attack.
Depending on the cost of the drones, they may also be able to kamikaze against enemy armour or naval interests, if they have no ammo.
Drones would also have a small amount of missiles, roughly 4.

The heavy bomber would be uselful to be pilotless, as the significant increase in space, due to the removal of pilot and oxygen and the space needed to ensure minimum comfort for a heavy bomber crew would allow for more fuel and weapons to be loaded on. You could also use this en masse, as the loss of skilled pilots would be non-existent, as they would be at base, guiding it in. Safety equipment could also be removed, giving more space.



The Republic od Demidia would be highly interested in purchasing an up-to-date version of the Avro Arrow. We would be willing to trade a number of our F-18 Hornets and Superhornets for this order. Please Telegram the Republic of you have an offer, or post it here.



We are seeking a VTOL close support aircraft to serve with Marine and Army brigades. Current modern technology. We need it to replace our ageing British built Harrier jets.

Good maneuverability, and high subsonic maximum speeds are a must. Must have inbuilt laser designator and heads up display, and an air to air capability, Heat seeking missiles specifically.

Air to Air and Air to Ground Radar would be nice, but isn't a requirement. A version with radar can be designed later if needed. Must be able to absorb a lot of damage.

Cannon armament is flexible. If a small enough 30mm cannon can be designed without inhibiting bomb, rocket and missile loads, it will be preffered over a 20mm system.


Required: Naval Patrol Bomber/ASW/ELINT Aircraft
Similar to P-3 Orion/Aurora-series aircraft
Must be capable of carrying anti-shipping missiles both internally and externally. Must be capable of both anti-shipping and anti-submarine roles.
Modern/Post-Modern Technology only, please.

General Specifications:
Range in excess of 1,500 nautical miles
Better than average survivability
Excellent avionics
Radar stealth
Supersonic capability - However limited - A bonus

Armament Specifications:
Must be capable of carrying anti-shipping missiles such as the Penguin, Exocet, and Harpoon both internally and externaly on wing pylons, as well as more modern equivalents.
Must be capable of carrying a minimum of six Mk50 Light Weight Torpedoes internally
AAM capability a bonus

I don't think anyone manufactures a craft like this one at the moment. I'm not looking for a carrier-capable aircraft to replace the Viking. Rather, I'm looking for something larger, like the P-3 Orion to function as a long-range naval patrol bomber. If this has to be designed as a new aircraft from the ground up, I'm looking for design partners. I'd design and build it myself, but I'm at a total loss as to what engine to use.

I want something very fuel efficient, but at the same time, I want to make this a stealthy aircraft so that it doesn't get waxed by the first Aegis ship it stumbles into. That means turboprops are out, because they'd be too much of a pain to reduce the cross-section for. If anyone's got a suggestion, I'll welcome it.

Demidia: If you're still interested in an Avro Arrow variant, then I'll go ahead and make statistics for the Super Arrow concept I've been kicking around.

48 F-4G Phantom II Wild Weasel variant (made for SEAD missions)
60 F-15E Strike Eagles
24 F-15C Eagles
48 F-16C Falcon
5 B-2 Spirit bombers
10 B-52H
12 F-22A
24 F-14D
36 F/A-18E

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(tag I say...tag)

Don't tag, buy! Er...wait a minute...

tag

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Feazanthia mainly uses multi-role, carrier borne fighters. It also uses ground-support aircraft and heavy bombers extensively.

Hey UE, can you TG me so we can quickly resolve the C-240 incident...The EW version is due to come out, but the incident is delaying its release.

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Right, it's been added...however, what is the use (at least for you) of bombers that show up very obviously on the radar screen?

Fighter Bomber:

Requirements: Replacement for F-15 Eagle

1) Bomb load of 20-25,000 lbs, with additional provision for AAMs
2) Performance equal to better than F-15E
3) Ceiling of 45,000 ft



And, in response to the Sniper Country request:

We do have plans for the EB-52 Megafortress, a four engined variant of the B-52, with other major modifications to wings, tailplane, nose cone, and significantly reduced RCS, without loss of payload. Engines increase range, and to a small extent speed. The modifications are however expensive, in the region of 950 million per aircraft, plus cost of the airframe.

I have a fighter-bomber sort of like that, although I'm not sure the bomb load adds up...it's basically an enlargened and tailless ZF-27, which I will put back on the market sometime soon, maybe this weekend, maybe the week after (vacation for me)...its performance is better than the F-15E, has some AAM provisions, is stealth, and has a 65,000-feet ceiling at least.

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The Allied States of Arkturo would like to purchase fast fighter-bomber squadrons. 5 of them for starters. To try them out.

After our order is completed and we have consequently paid off by wire, we might consider byuing some heavy bombers.

Er...sorry, this isn't a storefront...if you're referring to the fighter I've listed above, contact me in a week or two.

B52: 12 of them with the same bombload as yours and mixed ordinance.

F16:15 F16 fighter planes with about 4 rockets and two smart weapons.

Stealth Bomber: 2 with a 30,000 pound bomb load and two rockets. Mixed ordinance composing mainly of smart bombs and bunker busters.

B52: 12 of them with the same bombload as yours and mixed ordinance.

F16:15 F16 fighter planes with about 4 rockets and two smart weapons.

Stealth Bomber: 2 with a 30,000 pound bomb load and two rockets. Mixed ordinance composing mainly of smart bombs and bunker busters.

MODALERT!

Make this post a sticky.

Maybe if we had a 'storefront' forum, but not in II lol.

Ok, I will add Cody Mays...

Yes it should be a sticky IMHO

In the meantime, *tag*

Heh...thanks, but it wouldn't be very useful as a sticky.

Bombers, huge Bombers.

Be more specific, please.

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tag, too tired to reply

Required: Ground Support Plane
Advanced or similar to A-10 Thunderbolt II
Anti-tank, anti-ground, close air support
Modern Technology only, please.

General Specifications:
Excellent maneuverability in sub-sonic (min. MACH 0.5, max 0.9)
Range of 700-900 nautical miles
Better than average survivability
STOL preferred
Excellent avionics
Average (or better than) counter-measures

Armament Specifications:
2 x 30mm Gatling or Vulcan
minimum 9,000 kg of mixed ordnance (12-15 pylons)

I'm flexible on some of these specifications; however, this is something to get started on. At the moment, being an island nation, I'm looking at purchasing only 500. However, as I expand my Air Force, which is restricted to primarily Air Superiority and Anti-Ship, I'll expand my ground support crafts.

TAG

Required: Ground Support Plane
Advanced or similar to A-10 Thunderbolt II
Anti-tank, anti-ground, close air support
Modern Technology only, please.

General Specifications:
Excellent maneuverability in sub-sonic (min. MACH 0.5, max 0.9)
Range of 700-900 nautical miles
Better than average survivability
STOL preferred
Excellent avionics
Average (or better than) counter-measures

Armament Specifications:
2 x 30mm Gatling or Vulcan
minimum 9,000 kg of mixed ordnance (12-15 pylons)

I'm flexible on some of these specifications; however, this is something to get started on. At the moment, being an island nation, I'm looking at purchasing only 500. However, as I expand my Air Force, which is restricted to primarily Air Superiority and Anti-Ship, I'll expand my ground support crafts.

We, CK-ROC systems from Taiwan, would like to tender for the construction of this aircraft. We would also like to know what the required cost per unit of the aircraft will be.

Required: High Manuverability Light Attack/Scout Helicopter
Similar in design and statistics to OH-6/AH-6 "Mini Bird"
Post Modern Tech (2004-2020)

General Specifications:
Manuverability comprable or better than OH-6
Range of 475-550 km
Vertical Climb Speed of 9-13 m/sec
Cruise Speed of 240-270 km/h
NOTAR system (for more info go here: http://www.kulikovair.com/Notar.htm )
Better then average Avionics
Better then average survivability against shoulder launched SAMs

Armament Specifications:
4 hardpoints (2 on each wing) capable of carrying all standard helicopter mounted weapons (machine guns, 20mm gattling guns, and anti tank missles)
Note: Armaments should not cause a large decrease in manuverability, speed or other performance aspects.

Anarresa: you might be interested in the K-45 Vandal (http://www.meatballs.terminator.org.uk/crookfur/helos.html#vandal) it can carry any load out the AH-6 can plsu lots of other different systems (a helicopter of that class could never hope to carry the same amount of a full on gunship).

if it takes your fancy i can supply a couple more load out ideas.


Any way Crookfur requirments:

Carrier borne air superiority aircraft: proabably going to end going for a home grown navalised eurofighter but soemthing along those lines would be welcomed if you ahve sucha thing.

Mcleod03- We have the DP-02A multi-role aircraft. It exceeds all of the F-15E's performance and has a ceiling greater than 45000, the only thing, it has a 19000lb loadout. Although, some unnecessary equipment can be removed, bringing it above 20,000. I'll have to get the exact stats, I'll add it onto this post...

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DP-02A
Multi-role Aircraft

http://www.bateshome.com/jordan/sbdp.jpg

DP-02 Multi-role Fighter



Purpose
The DP-02A was built to be an exceptional multi-purpose fighter (Also known as a fighter-bomber). Its primary role has been its ability for air-to-ground engagements, completely annihalating anything it faces and with deadly accuracy. In the air-to-air role, it relies mainly on its superior maneuverability and its vast weapons capability, being able to carry up to 14 assorted Air-to-air munitions while still having two extra fuel tanks. Meaning it can outmaneuver most of the competition and outgun them as well.

Vectored thrust
The DP-02A utilizes vectored thrust which means it has plates that can direct the engines exhaust in a two dimensional plane (up and down), allowing for greater maneuvering capability and better ascent/descent speed.

SB-AAGTTAD-S1
- This system is a dedicated air-to-ground targetting and tracking system. It can effectively track an unlimited amount of targets in its 80 mile range. Each target is then profiled and those with a higher threat level are relayed to commander. This system allows for the deployment and firing of air-to-ground missiles with unrivaled accuracy. It can either utilize radar tracking, infrared/heat-seeking tracking, or laser/GPS guided to fire its complement of missiles. It can also allow unparalled accuracy with its twin GsK-21 cannons. A feature of this system, when engaged, would use GPS data/computer provided data provided by a ground-based commander (that would be downloaded into the system) to engage targets automatically, meaning that the pilot would just have to fly to the target and at a certain point, with the activation by the pilot, the missile would release and engage the target (either by relying on GPS coordinates or using GPS data to find general location of target then using a ground-based laser targetter to hit the target).

ALMRS/TTAC-17 Mk. IIIAG (new model) system and AEISCN-03 systems
:ALMRS/TTAC-17Mk. IIIAG -Tracks up to 310 enemies and ranks them according to range, heading, threat level, and unit-type to provide best possible firing solution. Tracks their range and heading at ranges up to 245 km. Can fire on up to 4 enemy units simultaneously. This system utilizes a millimetric wave radar, IIR, thermal, GPS, laser, and normal/doppler radar. The fire control radar incorporates an integrated radar frequency interferometer for passive location and identification of radar emitting threats. An advantage of millimetre wave is that it performs under poor visibility conditions and is less sensitive to ground clutter. The short wavelength allows a very narrow beamwidth which is resistant to countermeasures. This system can fire on both air and ground units.
: AEISCN-03 -Shares target information with other friendly units in the field along with other information, also allows friendly units in large numbers to make coordinated attacks through out the battlefield. Also allows friendly units to instantly reorganize into new squadrons and divisions for new assaults and also relays all information back to command. This system also checks in every minute (or shorter/longer; can be adjusted) with GPS and military satellites to update terrain and enemy movements. Also tracks and labels targets and sends their coordinates and readings through satellites and ground antennae to control centers, ground forces, air forces, and naval forces.

Armability
The DP-02A can be armed with a vast amount of arms and comes standard with twin GsK-21 20mm cannons, eaching having 120 rounds (more can be added). On each wing are four hardpoints (three under the wing, and one on the wing-tip) and there are three hardpoints on the aircraft's fuselage (all on the underside). It can carry both air and ground munitions allowing it to defend itself en route to attack a ground target or have specialized DP-02s outfitted for only air combat to defend ground-attack DP-02As. It can carry up to 19000lbs of disposables stores.

One of the most important features of the DP-02A is the rear cockpit, reserved for a weapon systems officer (WSO). On four television-like screens, the WSO can display information from the radar, electronic warfare or infrared sensors, monitor aircraft or weapon status and possible threats, select targets, and use an electronic "moving map" to navigate. Two hand controls are used to select new displays and to refine targeting information. Displays can be moved from one screen to another, chosen from a "menu" of display options.
In addition to three similar screens in the front seat, the pilot has a tranparent glass screen (head-up display) at eye level that displays vital flight and tactical information. The pilot doesn't need to look down into the cockpit, for instance, to check weapon status. At night, the screen is even more important because it displays a video picture, generated by the forward-looking infrared sensor, that is nearly identical to a daylight view of the world.



Crew Safety
The DP-02A is outfitted with twin ejection seats, one for the pilot and one for the WSO. When in an emergency situation, both crew members can eject or one can eject. The system automatically ejects when a critical damage occurs (such as both engines are out, massive fire, no wing, etc) in case the crew can not pull the ejection handles (located by each seat and large handles behind the pilots seat for WSO and another handle located along the pilots left side). In the event that an explosion is about to occur, or if the computer detects a missile hit that cannot be avoided and will hit the crew area, it will automatically eject.
The DP-02A is also fitted with extensive armor, armor that can stop 12.7mm and slow the 20mm to where it does little damage. The 30mm round will most likely penetrate the outer skin but get lodged in the inside mass of framework and auxilary armor. The armor consists of lightweight, but strong alloys that make up the frame and an inside skin over the main components with the auxilary armor consisting of a kevlar base covered in epoxy-resin framework/honeycomb. The outerarmor is an aluminum base layer with a 3/1 inch layer of epoxy resin.

Another feature is its automatic countermeasures deployment system. The system automatically detects a missile threat and decides when to release chaff/flares for the optimal effect. Of course the countermeasures system can also be operated manually.

Other
The DP-02A is outfitted with an air refueling receptacle for the boom-style refueling. With slight modifications it can accept the drouge-style refueling nozzle.

Specifications-
Length:
59 feet (17.98 meters)

Height:
15 feet (4.57 meters)

Wingspan:
53 feet (16.15 meters)



Unit Cost:
$41 million

Power Plant:
Two DP-ABETF-02 engines
Thrust:
26,200 pounds per engine
Range:
3,850 miles ferry range with conformal fuel tanks and two external fuel tanks. (Can be refueled in-flight)

Ceiling:
65,000 feet



Maximum Take-off Weight: 90,500 lbs

Speed:
Maximum speed 2.9 mach

Cruise speed 2.1 to 2.4 mach

Crew:
Two (pilot, WSO)

Systems:
SB-AAGTTAD-S1 - This system is a dedicated air-to-ground targetting and tracking system. It can effectively track an unlimited amount of targets in its 210 mile range. Each target is then profiled and those with a higher threat level are relayed to commander. This system allows for the deployment and firing of air-to-ground missiles with unrivaled accuracy. It can either utilize radar tracking, infrared/heat-seeking tracking, or laser/GPS guided to fire its complement of missiles. It can also allow unparalled accuracy with its twin GsK-21 cannons.


ALMRS/TTAC-17 Mk. IIIAG (new model) system: Tracks up to 310 enemies and ranks them according to range, heading, threat level, and unit-type to provide best possible firing solution. Tracks their range and heading at ranges up to 245 km. Can fire on up to 10 enemy units simultaneously. This system utilizes a millimetric wave radar, IIR, thermal, GPS, laser, and normal/doppler radar. The fire control radar incorporates an integrated radar frequency interferometer for passive location and identification of radar emitting threats. An advantage of millimetre wave is that it performs under poor visibility conditions and is less sensitive to ground clutter. The short wavelength allows a very narrow beamwidth which is resistant to countermeasures. This system can fire on both air and ground units.
AEISCN-02: Shares target information with other friendly units in the field along with other information, also allows friendly units in large numbers to make coordinated attacks through out the battlefield. Also allows friendly units to instantly reorganize into new squadrons and divisions for new assaults and also relays all information back to command. This system also checks in every minute (or shorter/longer; can be adjusted) with GPS and military satellites to update terrain and enemy movements. Also tracks and labels targets and sends their coordinates and readings through satellites and ground antennae to control centers, ground forces, air forces, and naval forces.
SB-AFCS/OG- Advanced Flight Control Systems, Optical Guided- Advanced system that uses high-intensity fiber optics for flight controls, allowing quicker, more effecient maneuvering and decreasing the weight by removing heavy copper and gold wiring.

SB-GSEWS- Standard Electronic Warfare Suite- This system performs limited EW operations and acts to confuse and disable enemy missiles or enemy radars. This suite also controls the aircraft's countermeasures which include flares and chaff.



Armament:
2x GsK-21 20mm cannons
19000lbs disposable stores (fuel tanks, missiles, bombs)

8 Total wing hard points (4 on each side, three under each wing, one on each wing tip)
3 Total fuselage hard points (on the underside of fuselage)

Shang-Ti, you are in need of a close support aircraft similar yet better than the A-10? Do we have the plane for you! Well, not yet anyways, but telegram me and tell me around how desperate you'll need it...earliest we can promise is end of April Vacation (April 19-23) as I'll have to do this around schoolwork and Sharkishki.


ZA-40 'Zweihander'

http://www.aeronautics.ru/.../news/news002/t1202_small.jpg

Certainly one of the more interesting aircraft in the Zoogie inventory, the ZA-40 is the new flagship close support aircraft. When AF-11s aren't necessary, this excellent twin-fuselage fighter with amazing capabilities goes into action. It is quite amazing the amount of damage this plane can sustain...it is fast replacing A-10s, OA-10s, and Su-39s in the military


Taken from my Design thread (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=136421&highlight=). The twin fuselage idea actually would work very well, it's completely modern tech as well...it would also be fitted with two anti-tank guns and I'll see if I can get a slightly improved picture done on it. There will be 2 30-mm cannons on it, I assure you. As for STOL...that won't be a priority in the project, but it will have reasonable to good runway lengths.

a helicopter of that class could never hope to carry the same amount of a full on gunship
I only said the hard point can carry the weapon or munition (thats 1 missle per hardpoint)

Anyways the helicopter is interesting, but slightly too large and expensive for the job. I dont need a troop carrier, just a light scout. (I also have a thing against coaxial rotors but thats besides the point)

I'm looking for 2 things (I post this everywhere, but nobody even replies, (Well Crookfur did, but never got back to me))
A pilotless drone fighter
A pilotless HEAVY bomber

The drone fighter is a British suggestion, where 1 "mother ship" with a pilot, gives AWACs support and orders from a central computer on board.
The drones would be small with a limited fuel capacity, but could possibly be increased with addition of a modified SCRAMjet. There would be roughly 20-30 drones, which would be armed with an AT, or similar cannon/machine gun. This could also be used to destroy fighters, or, more importantly, large groups of enemy bombers. Given the pilot flies at a substantial altitude, it is possible that he may get a visual identification of stealthy bombers, and could get a drone group to attack.
Depending on the cost of the drones, they may also be able to kamikaze against enemy armour or naval interests, if they have no ammo.
Drones would also have a small amount of missiles, roughly 4.

The heavy bomber would be uselful to be pilotless, as the significant increase in space, due to the removal of pilot and oxygen and the space needed to ensure minimum comfort for a heavy bomber crew would allow for more fuel and weapons to be loaded on. You could also use this en masse, as the loss of skilled pilots would be non-existent, as they would be at base, guiding it in. Safety equipment could also be removed, giving more space.

Unfortunatly, our airforce is downgrading due to a lack of funding. The Republic od Demidia would be highly interested in purchasing an up-to-date version of the Avro Arrow. We would be willing to trade a number of our F-18 Hornets and Superhornets for this order. Please Telegram the Republic of you have an offer, or post it here.

Demidia...I'll post yours up, but trading in F-18s for Avro Arrows!?....

Jordaxia...I will have a 'future strike platform' that is unmanned, although it may be different than what you're looking for. I'll add yours too...friendly servers pending.

Avro Arrows are actually quite amazing fighters for there age, we have only 25 Air Force F-18, but we are willing to:

PAY&TRADE

PAYMENT ONLY

We require a rather extensive amount.

Just how Future is the Future strike platform?
I don't really want to go too far past 2010.
The 2 things I listed can be accomplished within a few years, given funding, so, if possible, as close to now as you can

Oh, they'll be beyond 2010...roughly 2015, 2017, something like that...but in my own strange and distorted view of 2020, we won't be having quantum computers and space fighters and Hypersonic aircraft...so...all the principles of it are fairly modern, the 2016 is based on the research time.

Sorry, I don't have any Avro Arrows.

(Zoogie here)

This is the decider I suppose. Can I use it any any wars that classify themselves as modern tech? If I can, then I'm very interested.
(I know that it hasn't been finished yet, but when it is, I would definitly like to see it)

Well, I'm modern tech, so I suppose so...

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Hey SC, feel free to start the IMF thing...or should I do that?

bump for zoogie

We are seeking a VTOL close support aircraft to serve with Marine and Army brigades. Current modern technology. We need it to replace our ageing British built Harrier jets.

Good maneuverability, and high subsonic maximum speeds are a must. Must have inbuilt laser designator and heads up display, and an air to air capability, Heat seeking missiles specifically.

Air to Air and Air to Ground Radar would be nice, but isn't a requirement. A version with radar can be designed later if needed. Must be able to absorb a lot of damage.

Cannon armament is flexible. If a small enough 30mm cannon can be designed without inhibiting bomb, rocket and missile loads, it will be preffered over a 20mm system.

Shang-Ti, you are in need of a close support aircraft similar yet better than the A-10? Do we have the plane for you! Well, not yet anyways, but telegram me and tell me around how desperate you'll need it...earliest we can promise is end of April Vacation (April 19-23) as I'll have to do this around schoolwork and Sharkishki.


"We promise to undercut whatever offer Zoogie's Aerospace can come up with by 10%."

CK-ROC systems spokesman

bump for zoogie

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Adding Kanabia's...

Taiwan, my CAS aircraft isn't an A-10...it's an exclusive NS design based on a Sukhoi product.

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48 F-4G Phantom II Wild Weasel variant (made for SEAD missions)
60 F-15E Strike Eagles
24 F-15C Eagles
48 F-16C Falcon
5 B-2 Spirit bombers
10 B-52H
12 F-22A
24 F-14D
36 F/A-18E

Adding Kanabia's...

Taiwan, my CAS aircraft isn't an A-10...it's an exclusive NS design based on a Sukhoi product.

I know, that's definitely not an A-10. I meant CK-ROC systems was going to develop something to undercut yours.

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Required: Naval Patrol Bomber/ASW/ELINT Aircraft
Similar to P-3 Orion/Aurora-series aircraft
Must be capable of carrying anti-shipping missiles both internally and externally. Must be capable of both anti-shipping and anti-submarine roles.
Modern/Post-Modern Technology only, please.

General Specifications:
Range in excess of 1,500 nautical miles
Better than average survivability
Excellent avionics
Radar stealth
Supersonic capability - However limited - A bonus

Armament Specifications:
Must be capable of carrying anti-shipping missiles such as the Penguin, Exocet, and Harpoon both internally and externaly on wing pylons, as well as more modern equivalents.
Must be capable of carrying a minimum of six Mk50 Light Weight Torpedoes internally
AAM capability a bonus

I don't think anyone manufactures a craft like this one at the moment. I'm not looking for a carrier-capable aircraft to replace the Viking. Rather, I'm looking for something larger, like the P-3 Orion to function as a long-range naval patrol bomber. If this has to be designed as a new aircraft from the ground up, I'm looking for design partners. I'd design and build it myself, but I'm at a total loss as to what engine to use.

I want something very fuel efficient, but at the same time, I want to make this a stealthy aircraft so that it doesn't get waxed by the first Aegis ship it stumbles into. That means turboprops are out, because they'd be too much of a pain to reduce the cross-section for. If anyone's got a suggestion, I'll welcome it.

Demidia: If you're still interested in an Avro Arrow variant, then I'll go ahead and make statistics for the Super Arrow concept I've been kicking around.

Adding Kanabia's...

Taiwan, my CAS aircraft isn't an A-10...it's an exclusive NS design based on a Sukhoi product.

I know, that's definitely not an A-10. I meant CK-ROC systems was going to develop something to undercut yours.

Hey, we're allies...ah well.

Kotterdam: I've been thinking on a similar aircraft (but without the stealth) i was thinking of either an vastly upgraded nimrod or using a varient of my A330 clone.

Perhaps a very extreme modification of either could be planned, IIRC the nimrod could have its inlets etc redesigned for stealthyness fairly easily.


Kanabia: try United Elias's EA-135 (JSF basically) or in the mean time depending on the model of harrier you are using you could upgrade them to our CFF-9G standard (reatains and expands all the strike capabilites of the GR-9(a) upgrade plus a full air to air capability).
http://www.meatballs.terminator.org.uk/crookfur/aircraft.html#harrier
it couldn't carry a full sized modern 30mm gun but the 25mm gatling gun can be repalced with an old 30mm ADEN cannon if required

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Shang-Ti, you are in need of a close support aircraft similar yet better than the A-10? Do we have the plane for you! Well, not yet anyways, but telegram me and tell me around how desperate you'll need it...earliest we can promise is end of April Vacation (April 19-23) as I'll have to do this around schoolwork and Sharkishki.


"We promise to undercut whatever offer Zoogie's Aerospace can come up with by 10%."

CK-ROC systems spokesman

_Taiwan,

Please check your TG. I've looked at both yours and Zoogie's designs for your general wares. Since I'm trying to stay as realistic as possible, I'm going to consider your plans first.

Zoogie,

If you could make something a little more "realistic" (I know, this is NS...) then I'll take a look. I'm not too crazy about the dual-fusalage, as it gives too much target space for a slow craft. It doesn't have to be an A-10 design; however.

As far as price, I'm not too concerned about under-bidding/over-bidding. I'm looking more for quality. I've sent a TG to _Taiwan already, stating that my best price is USD 25 Million per unit. Total tender is 500 units plus a mix of anti-ground and anti-ship ordinance, for a total contract of USD 13 Billion.

OOC: @ Zoogie - This is a company bidding (CK-ROC), not the government. Ah, the beauty of capitalism. (We're allies on the battlefield, competitors in business)

The Shang-Ti offer has been recieved. We thank Shang-Ti for their business.

CK-ROC Systems

(OOC: Should be done within 2 days)

Research thread - http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=137794&highlight=

Kotterdam: I've been thinking on a similar aircraft (but without the stealth) i was thinking of either an vastly upgraded nimrod or using a varient of my A330 clone.

Perhaps a very extreme modification of either could be planned, IIRC the nimrod could have its inlets etc redesigned for stealthyness fairly easily.

I hadn't thought of it, but you could probably do a pretty easy EB-52-style modification on a Nimrod pretty easily. Thanks, Crookfur.

Its cool, now the question is do you fancy a joint project or should i just concentrate on my non stealthy A330 version (i suppose you could dale brown the A330 too... or even the boeing 767 which IIRC was considered for replacing the P-3)

To IDF:
We have many items at a reasonable price in stock that are directly comparable to your requirements in the Kelanthian Arms Conglomerate storefront thread; please feel free to visit it at your leisure. We will also be telegramming your government to insure that you get this message. Thank you.

http://img3.photobucket.com/albums/v13/Draconis/kac_banner2.jpg (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=62566)

Shang Ti, TGs.

Shang-Ti, you are in need of a close support aircraft similar yet better than the A-10? Do we have the plane for you! Well, not yet anyways, but telegram me and tell me around how desperate you'll need it...earliest we can promise is end of April Vacation (April 19-23) as I'll have to do this around schoolwork and Sharkishki.


"We promise to undercut whatever offer Zoogie's Aerospace can come up with by 10%."

CK-ROC systems spokesman

_Taiwan,

Please check your TG. I've looked at both yours and Zoogie's designs for your general wares. Since I'm trying to stay as realistic as possible, I'm going to consider your plans first.

Zoogie,

If you could make something a little more "realistic" (I know, this is NS...) then I'll take a look. I'm not too crazy about the dual-fusalage, as it gives too much target space for a slow craft. It doesn't have to be an A-10 design; however.

As far as price, I'm not too concerned about under-bidding/over-bidding. I'm looking more for quality. I've sent a TG to _Taiwan already, stating that my best price is USD 25 Million per unit. Total tender is 500 units plus a mix of anti-ground and anti-ship ordinance, for a total contract of USD 13 Billion.

We assure you that this project is realistic. It was an actual Russian project well under development (or so rumours say) until the collapse of the Soviet Union...see here (http://www.aeronautics.ru/nws001/combair005.htm)

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We have attained an aircraft to fit our specifications, and our request can be removed :)

Its cool, now the question is do you fancy a joint project or should i just concentrate on my non stealthy A330 version (i suppose you could dale brown the A330 too... or even the boeing 767 which IIRC was considered for replacing the P-3)

Sure, I'm up for a joint project. Actually, now the aircraft itself doesn't have to be that stealthy. New Empire and I are cooking up a new version of his Athena Active Radar Cancelation system - Still, some RAM usage is probably a good idea. Just in case of malfunction.

Sure, I'm up for a joint project. Actually, now the aircraft itself doesn't have to be that stealthy. New Empire and I are cooking up a new version of his Athena Active Radar Cancelation system - Still, some RAM usage is probably a good idea. Just in case of malfunction.

The Athena system is good, i kind of use a slightly lesser powered version on some aircraft.
I'm not adverse to covering the entire aircraft in RAM, i think that my production elvels of it are sufficient that it is no longer too expensive...

Now do you have any prefferance to airframe? or start from scratch?

Also i'm thinking of a smaller patrol craft based on the Falcon 2000 bizjet (basically a more modern and slightly longer rnaged version of the Falcon 20 as used by the fench and the US coast gaurd for maritime patrol), would have minimal weapons load (2-4 light torps or mavricks) and mainly be a cheap paramilitary/civilian SAR/general patrol duties aircraft.
It could be incorporated into the joint program as an additional unit.

I'm leaning more towards an all-new airframe, although I wouldn't be adverse to using an existing airframe - Though nothing with turboprops for the larger aircraft. They're fuel-efficient, but it would be an absolute pain to make passive stealth work if we were using them. Incidentally, on that note, I have nothing but sympathy for the engineer who had to figure out how to make the Comanche's rotor stealthy.

As for the smaller aircraft, I'm definately in for a side-project. A smaller aircraft would be great for anti-smuggling roles. For the smaller aircraft, I suggest we give it a ventral turret-mounted infrared/millimeter-wave radar imaging system to help it pick out small targets, like motor boats, submarine periscopes, or garbage bags full of drugs.

LOL i agree on the comanche, just a shame all that work came to nothing (well not quite nothing i'll have to steal the ideas for my rotodynes).


I'll fire up a dev thread.
dev thread up:
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3035283#3035283

Christ...so many replies. Will figure this out later. BUMP. Sorry Haven't been paying attention.

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