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After several days of Exploration, Hogsweat Colonists have discovered a new motherland! It is a lush land, spanning about the size of the two modern day nations, Spain and Portugal. It is said it could hold up to two billion population.

We Need help to move all our people. The current Hogsweat transport could take only 80 Million, and since we have around 450 Mill Survival rate, then we need help! This is an INTERNATIONAL APPEAL!

Ingladia will help by sending as many transports as you need. The only thing we ask for in return is a small entryway to mine for some natural resources as Ingladia is barren and inhospitible except for the cities.

Falastur will happily send a fleet of converted liners to transport your peoples, for no cost. We however ask that we can introduce an Embassy and possibly some businesses for both of our benefits, in this new land, and if it is not asking too much, that we might be able to claim a small piece of land used ourselves for relocating citizens (we are getting cramped) - enough land for a few cities and a little surrounding area?

I thought you said your nation is stable? I'll be discussing this issue with Austar Union later today.

Ingladia - we will grant you the mines of the easterly mountains -


56 % Coal
14% Iron
30% Other Minerals


Falastur - Of course, we thank you greatly.

We can assure you that your two nations will go down in Hogsweatian history.

I thought you said your nation is stable?

TAG and:
Hogsweat, we would be most happy to help you move to this region, or nation, whatever you may call it. we can send you several transports, and Airoplanes to help you out. we dont really want anything, just an embassy, and maybe stronger diplomatic ties.

Thats great WIH! Thanks alot for your help.


Credonia - it is stable - we have rounded up remaining Civilians , 400 Million and are supplying them with aid from foreign countries on board aid ships and military units. The first transports have left - by the end of the month (RL end of week) we will have moved and will begin colonization.

The Government of Falastur thanks Hogsweat greatly for accepting their offer. On route to (whereever you direct them) are a fleet of 70 liners capable of transporting 3,000 passengers each.

OOC We can send more if necessary...

Very well (You do understand my concern right? Cant have another incident like you had last week with the nukes happening again if we want a stable new alliance)

OOC: I was thinking of helping, then I realised that I can't explain how my nation missed a load of empty land that large, seeing as we have well over 250+ satalites traveling around our NS world for communication, observation and defence... so I'll probably assume it was someone elses and say "Oh, you mean someone wasn't living there? Ohwell, who wouls have thought it..."

Hattia will be willing to render any assistance possible. We will dispatch the 5th Fleet to help.

In the interests of fostering closer international ties, and to help ameliorate this humanitarian crisis, Durtistan is releasing the Navy and Air Force to help transport your people.

Our Heavy Lift squadrons are at your disposal, as are our Navy Afloat Prepositioning assets. We estimate that, in combination, we can move perhaps 30,000 by air and an additional 60,000 by sea. We will also ask the business community to render assistance where they can. Civilian airliners and cruise ships will doubtless suppliment this task force.

Just let us know where to pick people up.

In return, we desire nothing more than diplomatic relations.

Hogsweat, being a fellow companion in the GDI (saying comrade might give the wrong impression of our government type), we will gladly help you in transportation of population. Our great fleet of ferries, which we use to transport our resources from Peru and Antarctica to our mainland in the Pacific, can be directed to your nation in help of moving your population. With the whole fleet of ferries, a total of 40,000 people can be moved at a time. A small number compared to others, but we hope useful nonetheless. We can fix the ferries up to be accomodatable for humans for the trip (as you can imagine, they are not at the best state at the moment, having transporte nothing but oil and iron for the last few years.)
The only thing we ask is that a small piece (around 20 sq km) be reserved in case our nation might ever need it. The Antarctican and Peruvian colonies cannot continually supply our nation with the oil and iron we need to survive, and we might have to search for new places to gather these essential resources. Mind you, this will not occur in the immediate future, so we will not be demanding land any time soon.
We hope our small contribution will help the further the benefits of Hogsweat's populace. Good luck to you all.

Ingladia offers its thanks to Hogsweat for the successful negotiations and sends 50 huge ships capable of holding 10 million people apeice.

Due to it being unclaimed territory (since you havn't claimed it per se) Doujin Aircraft streaked off to claim over half of this lush land.

Step off of Hogsweat's territory or Ingladia will be forced to take military action!

Technically it isn't his territory.

Well I claim it for him, and if you don't comply sever military actions will be taken.

sorry, I don't see anything of yours there. Whereas, my aircraft will be there landing pesonnel in minutes.

Yes I have mining territories
in the easterly mountains.
However, some compromises may be taken... but beware that Ingladia has already begun to mobilize our army.

And I have an underground research facilty, hence our rush to keep others from entering near our base.

sorry, I don't see anything of yours there. Whereas, my aircraft will be there landing pesonnel in minutes.

OOC By that logic, the planes transporting Hogsweat citizens are already there.....

OOC: Doujin, do you just love to ruiin things? Or is this your revenge for the GDI?

And, have you RP'ed your presence on the island? If so, link?

And if you remember Doujin - my explorers where they - they found it.

No, neither has Ingladia. I have DD-1 Black Widow's over the area, and VTOL landing craft are taking off of Assault Fleet 1 that happens to be 90 miles off the coast.

they found some land, doesn't mean they can lay claim to the entirety of it -.-

The Ingldian first has arrived on one of the massive cruisers. They come with a message to Doujin:
"Leave the Island to Hogsweat, reinforcements are on their way along with the rest of the Hogsweatian citizens. And don't even think of attacking them as they are escorted by the Ingladian Airforce
Sincerely,
Rudolph
Assistant to the Grand Holy Emporer"

A massive cruiser reaching the island at this speed.. now now, Ingladia.. I could have landed many personnel via transport planes before a cruiser should have arrived :p

Doujin - bad idea.

Grumble... The RBA will hear of this travesty, mark my words...

I have some Wasp class marine transport ships. I can send all 4 of them to help you. They can carry 7,500 without vehicles. All I ask in return is an alliance.

Pres. Teeman

The nation of Malatose demands that Doujin hand over the rights of the island to Hogsweat.If not,Doujin shall face fierce retribution from the Soviet Red Army,Navy and Airforce.

The Soviet High Command has dispatched the Soviet 1st Fleet to safeguard any of Hogsweat citizens inroute to the island.

2 Orel-II Class Carriers
4 Kirov Class Cruisers
3 Krasina Class Guided Missle Cruisers
6 Kresta Class Cruisers
6 Sverdlov Class Cruiers
4 Sovremenny Class Guides Missile Destroyers
5 Udaloy Class Guided Missile Destroyers
7 Kara Class Guided Missile Destroyers
4 Bora Class Corvettes
3 Parchim Class Corvettes
10 Molniya Missile Boats
10 Tarantula Missile Boats
7 Oscar II Submarines
5 Oscar I Submarines
4 Akula Class Submarines
5 Kilo Class Submarines
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Yet again,we urge Doujin to back down or face total destruction.

Hogsweat can have most of the island, but we will stay at the part we are on currently. It is amazing that even the most comprehensive satelittes owned by the Doujin Government that constantly search the Earth's surface hasn't found this island yet.

In response to Malatose organizing a fleet and sending it to the immediate area, Doujin has activated the Second Assault Fleet - Batalia.

FLASH PRIORITY
Second Assault Fleet - Batalia
Orders: Change to Active Status and head to given coordinates. Do not fire unless fired upon.

Second Assault Fleet:
1 Leviathon Class Battleship
2 Thunder Child Class Battleships
3 Mackensen Class Battleships
1 Lunar Class Stealth Aircraft Carrier
2 Infusion Class Aircraft Carriers
5 Warspite Class SSGNs
15 Astron Class FAS
10 Tigershark Class Fast Fleer Replenishers
5 River Class Fleet Replenishers
5 Clan Grant Class Heavy Fast Fleer Replenishers
10 Norasia Class AOE
10 Centaur Class DDG
10 Meteora Class
10 Thatcher Class
5 Africa Class Minesweeper/layer
5 Saviour Class Medical Ships

Malatose, Hogsweat can't just claim to find a large land mass and assume that he can have it all to himself, especially when there are satellites all over the globe scouring the Earth for information.

In response to threats of our ally, the 19th Carrier Battle Group has been activated the following forces as part of "Operation Red Wave"
1x Angelus Supercavitating Subcarrier, with
20 x F/S-39 Storm Riders
20 x S/A-15 Hurricanes
20 x F-121 Spectre
4 x E-14 Eagleeyes
6 x F/S-39-E Storm Rider EW
2 x CH-91 Black Mambas
20 x S-16 Vipers
4 x E/S-4 Barracudas
5 x RSF-13 Fireblades (Fisheye)

2x Wellekrieger Supercavtating Submersible Attack Vessels

Of course you cannot expect to keep this all to yourself. The UCSNE will ensure that all Doujin gets a share of this landmass. However, we ensure these vessels will only be here to 'observe' until hostile action has been taken. But as we say...

Si vis pacem, parabellum.

Zoogiedom will happily commit six of its 'city-ships', massive cargoes acquired from Tiboritia that is a virtual floating city. These will make passes between Hogsweat now and its new region.

*sigh*

Does everything have to result in war?


IC:

Hattia requests that both sides negotiate this out before shooting each other. We invite both sides to send representatives to Haton for negotiations...

*sigh*

Does everything have to result in war?

OOC-Violence isn't the answer. It's the question. And sometimes the answer is yes.

Besides... We're not fighting... We're observing. With the most powerful vessels in our navy... Yeah.

lmao, NE

*sigh*

Does everything have to result in war?

OOC-Violence isn't the answer. It's the question. And sometimes the answer is yes.

Besides... We're not fighting... We're observing. With the most powerful vessels in our navy... Yeah.
OOC: lol, i agree..

I will help transport your citizens if I can get a little bit of the land :)

The nation of sboria would also like to help transport some of your people in return for 20% of your coal from your mines and 20% of your iron mining.

While I don't particulary like Hogsweat, or Communism, he has found this mass of land (incredibly) and he has the right to establish his homeland there.

Doujin, Step Off....

Shinoxia, be gone....

Shinoxia, be gone....

No thank you.

If he has discovered this, it is his.

Listen, while I don't like Communism at all, Hogsweat is a big Communist member. By defying him you may be defying other Communist nations, your digging your own grave...

Doujin will not back down from claiming what we believe is rightfull ours. Hogsweat can have a large part of the island, of course, but part of it is ours.

Doujin will not back down from claiming what we believe is rightfull ours. Hogsweat can have a large part of the island, of course, but part of it is ours.


Why should he share his discovery with you?

You did nothing to help him and you have no right to claim his land, which could be seen as an aggressive movement.

Back down.

I don't think any international law is in place (in Nationstates) reguarding territory... it would seem that land is open to anyone who can defend their part.

Eitherway Iuthia has no interest in this land, our own nation exceeds 10'000'000 square miles, we can accomodate our peolpe well enough and we have military outposts with our allies.

Why don't you back down, Shinoxia? We outclass your military in technology and size. Now please, for the sake of your men's lives, let him get a cut.

My god Doujin, you have a big mouth... well... im not gonna pass this up, I will stand by Shinoxia in defending Hogsweats interests, no matter what the cost. All of Antarctica is currently being notified, and if you guys persist in trying to scare us with your 'huge, terrifying military might', then so be it, war will be declared if necassary.

(as Zoogie)

Zoogiedom wishes to consolidate its relations with Hogsweat, and so would also like to establish an embassy exchange, and possibly a military outpost there. Perhaps we can also establish firm trade bonds?

In the midsts of all these war threats and such, we'd like to reiterate (hopefully not through a triple post) that we are sending six large 'floating city' (can't find specs now) vessels acquired from Tiboritia to aid in the movement.

Our airliners, perhaps, can also be engaged in the eventual shipping of people over once the infrastructure has been established.

And, regarding Doujin and Shinoxia, and undoubtedly Hogsweat eventually, Zoogiedom would like to say it doesn't like it when allies go after each other's throats.

As we have already made clear to Doujin, in the event that you guys do start a brawl, we will curl into a ball and hide.

(as Zoogie)

Zoogiedom wishes to consolidate its relations with Hogsweat, and so would also like to establish an embassy exchange, and possibly a military outpost there. Perhaps we can also establish firm trade bonds?

In the midsts of all these war threats and such, we'd like to reiterate (hopefully not through a triple post) that we are sending six large 'floating city' (can't find specs now) vessels acquired from Tiboritia to aid in the movement.

Our airliners, perhaps, can also be engaged in the eventual shipping of people over once the infrastructure has been established.

And, regarding Doujin and Shinoxia, and undoubtedly Hogsweat eventually, Zoogiedom would like to say it doesn't like it when allies go after each other's throats.

As we have already made clear to Doujin, in the event that you guys do start a brawl, we will curl into a ball and hide.

We notice that Shinoxia is threatening war again over something which they are not even directly involved with...

And to think, we were thinking about using diplomacy first, not threatening nations to back down and beating our chests.

Leave this to the diplomats, it's clear you have much to learn before we even concider taking you off our black list.

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Why don't you back down, Shinoxia? We outclass your military in technology and size. Now please, for the sake of your men's lives, let him get a cut.

My men's lives? I don't take orders from anyone my friend.

Besides, Doujin is no threat to me...

However, because you are post-modern I don't recognize you, too bad.

We will also lend some Spearhead Class transport vessels to Hogsweat to help them in their transition to their part of the island. And Shinoxia, he was involved first. If you choose to get involved now, then yes you must recognize his technology.

However, because you are post-modern I don't recognize you, too bad.

OOC: Actually, if you attack him then you do have to accept it because by attacking him you are acknowledging he exists.

Thats how RP ettiquette works... of course, you could just ignore him but then you can't fight him.

The Soviet Fleet left its ports in route for the Island in dispute.The fleet had simple orders "Fire if Fired upon"

We urge Doujin to return the island to Hogsweat or your officials shall be forces off the island by force.Force that we are willing and have more than enough to use.

Ok, if New Empire tries to stage any sort of attack on Shinoxia or myself then he will have to cope with Moontian's (a February '03 nation) pulse lasers or whatever.

Who said I'm attacking first? I'm merely stating that you should all lay off Doujin. Everyone else is claiming land, Doujin comes in and is suddenly shunned by all. We'll stand by our ally.
OOC-BTW, how could you say Doujin is modern tech? Shouldn't you be ignoring him too?

Malatose, how very diplomatic of you to immediatly threaten me. We are only claiming 1/6th of this large island.. leaving more than enough land for Hogsweat for the next five hundred years. Paramillitary are landing on our part, and we are drawing up the border now. As said before, Spearhead Class ships are being sent to Hogsweat to help him transport his populace to his part of the Island.

Hogsweat, for your information, this is in no way my attempt to get Revenge on the GDI, as I have no bad feelings towards that alliance, from which I parted.

Malatose, how very diplomatic of you to immediatly threaten me. We are only claiming 1/6th of this large island.. leaving more than enough land for Hogsweat for the next five hundred years. Paramillitary are landing on our part, and we are drawing up the border now. As said before, Spearhead Class ships are being sent to Hogsweat to help him transport his populace to his part of the Island.

Hogsweat, for your information, this is in no way my attempt to get Revenge on the GDI, as I have no bad feelings towards that alliance, from which I parted.

Malatose, how very diplomatic of you to immediatly threaten me. We are only claiming 1/6th of this large island.. leaving more than enough land for Hogsweat for the next five hundred years. Paramillitary are landing on our part, and we are drawing up the border now. As said before, Spearhead Class ships are being sent to Hogsweat to help him transport his populace to his part of the Island.

Hogsweat, for your information, this is in no way my attempt to get Revenge on the GDI, as I have no bad feelings towards that alliance, from which I parted.

1/6th of the island? That's a large piece of territory you've just claimed.

Hogsweat, don't stand for this, it's your discovery, make full use of it.

If you allow him to just take land without asking what's next?

How is it his sole discovery? How can you honestly say that without godmodding? There are HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of Satellites in space that would have recorded this LONG BEFORE he publically said he found it.. so no, it isn't just his find.

Who said I'm attacking first? I'm merely stating that you should all lay off Doujin. Everyone else is claiming land, Doujin comes in and is suddenly shunned by all. We'll stand by our ally.
OOC-BTW, how could you say Doujin is modern tech? Shouldn't you be ignoring him too?

Omg, read what I posted again and pay attention this time. I said IF, yes IF, you try to attack Shinoxia or myself THEN you will have to deal with Moontian. We are not going to lay off Doujin. Its that simple.

umm ok, this is all kinda turning into OOC, but ok... I didnt say Doujin is modern tech, im saying you are post modern, and if you try to use that crap on us then you will face a reaction from Moontian's future tech forces.

How is it his sole discovery? How can you honestly say that without godmodding? There are HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of Satellites in space that would have recorded this LONG BEFORE he publically said he found it.. so no, it isn't just his find.

I dont know whats wrong with you. If doesnt matter if peoples satellites picked this land up or not, they still didnt RP a discovery, so obviously no one has picked it up, or much less cared about this land. Its not untill someone RP's they have discovered and claimed it when someone (like you) is like 'oh yeah, that would be pretty cool to have, I think Ill take some and see what the guy says..'.

Iuthia will be watching this situation carefully to make sure that our allies stay defencive and to make sure that any agressors are noted for future condemnation.

We encourage nations to stop threatening Doujin and at least try using diplomatic language instead of the national equivolent of "you spilt mah pint" which shows the international community how brutish your nation really is.

I'm surpised so many nations are ready to go to war over this mess. It's not like Hogsweat has even threatened anyone himself... but his allies seem very ready to do so.

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Future Tech and post modern tech is two differen things.. post modern is near future, future is.. future future.. Mootian can't get involved unless we attack him..(as far as I know, following RP ettiquette.. either way, we won't be fighting unless you guys attack/invade us :))

You people need to quit speaking for Hogsweat, as he isn't here.. this is between me and him, technically.. so me and him need to talk :)

OOC-No reason to get so upset, Moose. I'll deploy some modern tech forces, then. Consider previous forces recalled.
IC-
New force en route

1x New Empire Class Supercarrier
40 F-109D
20 F-121 Spectre
20 EF-113N
40 F/A-113N
20 S/V-32
10 E-14
10 CH-91
(Yes, it's big.)
4x Cunningham Destroyers
4x Honor-M Frigates
2x Point Dasch Crusiers
1x Imitora Arsenal Ship
5x Orca Class SSN

Ok, Iuthia. I could really care less if you watch this thread, as you seem to watch everything.

We are only threatening Doujin IF Hogsweat still wishes to controll all of his discovered land.

Iuthia will be watching this situation carefully to make sure that our allies stay defencive and to make sure that any agressors are noted for future condemnation.

We encourage nations to stop threatening Doujin and at least try using diplomatic language instead of the national equivolent of "you spilt mah pint" which shows the international community how brutish your nation really is.

I'm surpised so many nations are ready to go to war over this mess. It's not like Hogsweat has even threatened anyone himself... but his allies seem very ready to do so.

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Iuthia,

I don't know if you have read the whole thread but you must have missed the part where Hogsweat told Doujin that he would regret his moving in.

Hogsweat hasn't been on so he hasn't seen this new posts.

Basicaly, Hogsweat has the right to tell Doujin to leave his new nation, and if Doujin refuses....

Technically it isn't his new nation, as it has been pointed out.. it isn't his at all, as it wasn't within Hogsweats borders, but rather in water.. and a large landmass at that in the water. All of you are so eager to go to war with me.. say what you want, do what you want.. but I'm waiting until me and Hogsweat and be diplomatic about this. Hattia is the only person in this thread, aside from Iuthia, that I feel are real responsible nations.

Future Tech and post modern tech is two differen things.. post modern is near future, future is.. future future.. Mootian can't get involved unless we attack him..(as far as I know, following RP ettiquette.. either way, we won't be fighting unless you guys attack/invade us :))

You people need to quit speaking for Hogsweat, as he isn't here.. this is between me and him, technically.. so me and him need to talk :)

Moontian can get involved if we decided to mobilize SAND (our regional defense force). However, I thank you New Empire for reducing your forces to modern tech, so just disreagard the Moontian thing. We arent going to invade you yourself, only your 'colony' if Hogsweat wishes to obtain that. So, you are right, we are both in the dark until Hogsweat comes back.

Iuthia,

I don't know if you have read the whole thread but you must have missed the part where Hogsweat told Doujin that he would regret his moving in.

Hogsweat hasn't been on so he hasn't seen this new posts.

Basicaly, Hogsweat has the right to tell Doujin to leave his new nation, and if Doujin refuses....

OOC: Was that IC? I can't tell because you don't make a point of destinuishing between the two.

However it must be OOC because you used the word "thread" and "post" which means I can't respond IC to this post.


Yes, I have read the full post, however they haven't actually moved their nation here and as it stands it's just a huge peice of land which Hogsweat is trying to claim.

It's not actually his nation, his nation still exists, albeit a large radioactive mess...

Well, this "colony" as you put it is considered Sovereign Doujin territory, thus making you invading that "colony" the same as an invasion of Doujin.

Technically it isn't his new nation, as it has been pointed out.. it isn't his at all, as it wasn't within Hogsweats borders, but rather in water.. and a large landmass at that in the water. All of you are so eager to go to war with me.. say what you want, do what you want.. but I'm waiting until me and Hogsweat and be diplomatic about this. Hattia is the only person in this thread, aside from Iuthia, that I feel are real responsible nations.

Well he RPed its discovery (under the name of his nation, I might add), so its more his than anyone else's. I too will wait from word from Hogsweat.

Well, your not too 'responsible' your self either so I guess that statement of yours was correct.

I am more responsible than you, DM, considering I havn't brutally threatened anyone. The only thing I have done was mobilized a force to protect Doujin's interests, if you attacked.

"Three... Two... One... Set."

The two keys were inserted and turned at exact moments, just like the men at the Elderhorn Strategic Base had been trained. The Ascender II was a converted "Judgement" ICBM, but now modified with a huge payload of recon satellites. The rocket lifted from it's position, slamming on it's SCRAMjets to achieve the orbital trajectory it needed. The propulsion stages separated as the Bus flew towards the landmass, as the 8 NIRTSats began to deploy over the landmass, adjusting for geosynchronous orbit.

"Sir, Iridium flight deployed."

"Very good. Begin tightbeam links to the fleet, keep them updated on any movements of military units. And I mean any."

Well, this "colony" as you put it is considered Sovereign Doujin territory, thus making you invading that "colony" the same as an invasion of Doujin.

Once again, if Hogsweat wishes.. it shall be done.

OOC:
Dancing Moose, since the Naval Wargames with Feazanthia you have had an aggresive attitude towards me.. for what reason is this?

OOC-No reason to get so upset, Moose. I'll deploy some modern tech forces, then. Consider previous forces recalled.
IC-
New force en route

1x New Empire Class Supercarrier
40 F-109D
20 F-121 Spectre
20 EF-113N
40 F/A-113N
20 S/V-32
10 E-14
10 CH-91
(Yes, it's big.)
4x Cunningham Destroyers
4x Honor-M Frigates
2x Point Dasch Crusiers
1x Imitora Arsenal Ship
5x Orca Class SSN

I guess it might be a good idea for me to deploy forces too. They are en route to Hogsweat's portion of this island to ensure his claim.

Shinoxian Royal Navy
The Shinoxian Royal Navy is composed of 6 Fleets, 2 Armadas. The fleets contain large amounts of ships and work together to bring troops and equipment to enemy’s beaches. The Royal Navy is quite large and is well commanded, however, the Navy has yet to be tested. Conflicts begin when the Wolfpack Attack Sub Group detects an enemy group of ships; the Wolfpack then sends word to the rest of the fleet that it has found an enemy. The Fleet Admiral will give the Wolfpack permission to attack while the Fast Attack Group is sent in to assist. The Fast Attack Group engages until the Main Battle Group arrives to deal the final blow, The Main Attack Group is built around the power of the Carrier and Battleship, having cruisers and other ships to complement their strength,

The ships in the Royal Navy are configured different ways for different purposes; the frigates and submarines are all used for anti-sub warfare, while the rest of the ships are anti-surface. The Fleets are self-contained and are highly effective in battle.

Shinoxian 1st Armada

[b]Shinoxian 3rd Fleet
Main Battle Group
x1 Ultor Class Super Carrier (More on it later)
SRS AC-1A O’Kelly
x2 Ticonderoga Class Cruisers
SRS CS-1A Invincible
SRS CS-2A Hellspawn
x2 Nansen Class Anti-Submarine Frigates
SRS FS-1A Cherokee
SRS FS-2A Surprise
x2 Amundsen Class Destroyers (More later)
SRS DD-1A Achilles
SRS DD-2A Trojan
x2 Seahorse Class Attack Subs
SRS SMN-1A Predator
SRS SMN-2A Stalker
x1 Norad Class Super Battleship (More later)
SRS BB-1A Goliath
x2 Arsenal Class Logistic Ships
SRS LS-1A Supply
SRS LS-2A Shipment
x1 Avenger Class Minesweeper
SRS MS-1A Protector
x1 Mercy Class Hospital Ship
SRS SHS-1A Hospitality

Fast Attack Battle Group
x3 Skjold Class Missile Boats
SRS SMB-1A Hawk
SRS SMB-2A Falconer
SRS SMB-3A Crow
x3 Roussen Class Missile Crafts
SRS SMB-19A Constrictor
SRS SMB-20A Poison
SRS SMB-21A Slayer
x4 Phantom Class Attack Ships
SRS SAS-1A Dragon
SRS SAS-2A Cyclone
SRS SAS-3A Gust
SRS SAS-4A Specter
x5 Visby Class Corvettes
SRS SAC-1A Phantom
SRS SAC-2A Squid
SRS SAC-3A Orca
SRS SAC-4A Torpedo
SRS SAC-5A Attila

Wolfpack Attack Sub Group
x2 Devil Ray Class Attack Subs
SRS SWN-1A Phobia
SRS SWN-2A Image
x2 Los Angeles Class Attack Subs
SRS SWN-12A Irishman
SRS SWN-13A Demon

OOC: I know there are alot of OOC posts around here and it's which is which, but can you guys please make it easier on everyone by using the "OOC" tag on Out of Character posts.

Meanwhile as for RP rules, Hogsweat controls pretty much everything in his nation. However this is an island which he has found outside of his nation which he wants to replace his nations current land with.

This means that from a OOC veiw no one has to acknowledge it's now his nation because he already has a nation. However it could be seen as rude to turn a colonising thread into a diplomatic incident, not wrong by any rules... just a little meen.

The way things are going it may end if Hogsweat having his new nation and a colony on his border. Or a war to get rid of Doujin. But seeing as Doujin is only protecting his claim (albeit his unfair claim) Hogsweat would be seen as an agressor should a conflict be started by him, as Doujin will probably try and avoid being the agressor.

Thats my OOC opinion.

I am more responsible than you, DM, considering I havn't brutally threatened anyone. The only thing I have done was mobilized a force to protect Doujin's interests, if you attacked.

Brutally threatened? I just came into here to back Shinoxia, I wasent the one to post forces entering AND bring in an ally. I havent posted any forces. Since your directing your forces to the defense of yourself from me (kinda complicated, lol), then that could very well be considered as the first military act in this thread, so no, I havent threatened, I have only responded to other people.


OOC:
Dancing Moose, since the Naval Wargames with Feazanthia you have had an aggresive attitude towards me.. for what reason is this?

You think this is personal, dont you. It is not, I simply dont like your way of doing things.

OOC: Well pointed Iuthia, I will start using the tags from now on.

OOC: I do agree. Although Doujin's claim wasnt particularly nice, as he hasn't actually used forced to do anything other than defend his claim. This is a diplomatic problem that only warrants a diplomatic solution and punitive measures. Military action in itself is unwarranted and if used against Doujin will be considered an stark overreaction and the confering the aggressor status on Hogsweat and his allies.

Lets just be calm, okay? No one has fired a shot, only deployed a few forces. This could turn out to be a pretty good RP so long as we remember to keep every thing IN CHARACTER.

OOC: Mobilizing and deploying forces is considered a military action in and of itself, Freethinkers, an act which your ally Doujin was the first one to do (quite promptly, I might add).

So listen to your ally Doujin, and lets keep this diplomatic. Remove your forces (hopefully everyone will follow suit) and lets wait for Hogsweat.

OOC:I never said it was personal, was just inquiring why you had an agressive policy towards me. And as far as the first one to bring military forces into this matter, that would be Malatose on Hogsweat's side. In response, I activated a fleet. I never requested New Empires help, but he is an ally and he chose to help.

IC
The Batalia, Doujin Assault Fleet 2, headed at full speed towards the Islands, delivering personnel and equipment to begin fortifying Doujin's claim on the island in case an invasion of it is to occur. Along with the Batalia, a small fleet of 10 Spearheads are occumpanying them.. with more personnel and equipment. After the Spearheads unload it's equipment they will head to Hogsweat to begin transporting Hogsweat civilians to the Island.

OOC: Some "Clarifications":

First military action on thread: Malatose (2nd Page)

Reason: "The nation of Malatose demands that Doujin hand over the rights of the island to Hogsweat.If not,Doujin shall face fierce retribution from the Soviet Red Army,Navy and Airforce.

Yet again, we urge Doujin to back down or face total destruction."


Reply to this action: Doujin (2nd Page)

"In response to Malatose organizing a fleet and sending it to the immediate area, Doujin has activated the Second Assault Fleet - Batalia."


So far Iuthia would like to note that all military action has been started from allies of Hogsweat, who as far as I know hasn't asked for military aid.

While we are awaiting reply from Hogsweat themselves (possibally having trouble due to their recent events) we would like to note that all forces will not arrive before his reply becuase it takes more then a day or two to move forces so far (with exception to planes).

We would also like to note that Hogsweat will likely look for the diplomatic option so he doesn't lose reputation over this. So we ask that nations call off their forces or at least wait for Hogsweat to reply.

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OOC:I never said it was personal, was just inquiring why you had an agressive policy towards me. And as far as the first one to bring military forces into this matter, that would be Malatose on Hogsweat's side. In response, I activated a fleet. I never requested New Empires help, but he is an ally and he chose to help.

IC
The Batalia, Doujin Assault Fleet 2, headed at full speed towards the Islands, delivering personnel and equipment to begin fortifying Doujin's claim on the island in case an invasion of it is to occur. Along with the Batalia, a small fleet of 10 Spearheads are occumpanying them.. with more personnel and equipment. After the Spearheads unload it's equipment they will head to Hogsweat to begin transporting Hogsweat civilians to the Island.

OOC: Ok, I dont like your way of doing things. Thats it. What I mean is, you activated forces before me, in fact I havent made any sort of military movement yet, so you have no right to say I have 'brutally threatened' someone and say I am irresponsible when you (instead of me) have been jumping off the hook about this in the first place.

If you wish this to remain in diplomatic talks, you must trust invasions arent going to occur. I will feel more leaniant (sp?) about this situation if you at least remove a state of alert from your forces. If not, I will post an IC response, and send my fleet.

OOC: Seriously guys.

IC: The Freethinker PM locked himself in a bitter telephone battle with the representatives of three countries.

"For god's sake lets keep a cool head. It doesnt matter who was first, we dont need a six year old mentality here!"

"Right, I propose EVERYONE withdraw their military forces out of this island's territorial waters. Then everyone can come to the diplomacy table and talk like adults without the threat of immediate force. Gah!"

IC: I have diplomats ready to be escorted, when the time comes.

I apologize, I didn't mean that to include just you.. everyone has threatened everyone (with the exception of me, Hattia, and Iuthia apparently). I activated forces in response to Malatose, not in resposne to you or Shinoxia directly. I cannot pull my forces back until Malatose does so, as he has a fleet in the area and is more than capable of mounting a Blitzkreig invasion himself.

The armada of ships began to slow in the waters as waves lapped up on their dark gray hulls.

"Sir? Admiral Kernen?"

The tall, blue-gray uniformed man stood in the CIC, illuminated in the lights of the room in the Shamwehr, turned towards the officer.

"Yes?"

"We've got a tightbeam in from command. We're to hold 300 miles from the island. The ships are already slowing."

"Good. Any response about the Iridium launch?"

"Not yet."

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OOC -


It's not actually his nation, his nation still exists, albeit a large radioactive mess...


What? Christ, I had two to three thousand soldiers in that nation...what happened?

On a more cheeful note, you guys are pitiful. Is this all you can do - flaunt your military muscle and quabble over things that can easily be solved by a diplomatic meeting?

IC:

"How can so many national leaders have failed Diplomacy 101? What is the world coming to?" demanded President Ciel angrily.

"Well," said the defense minister in reply, "Zoogiedom is ready to promptly curl up into a ball on a moment's notice."

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In order to keep a tab on things happening in the island, two SR-71 Blackbirds are making regular runs over the area.

OOC:Zoogie, someone from Hogsweat nuked themselves.. 760 nuclear ICBMs were launched at hogsweat.. from hogsweat..

(Zoogie here)

Yes...I checked on the thread, followed the link at the end, and nearly fainted...I'd never so much as lost fifty men in a single battle, and suddenly, there goes three thousand, supplies and all.

OOC: I'm sorry

I'm am appauld at the actions that have taken place and i am set to deploy 2 divisions of my navy and 300 SU-37 Fighters along with b-2 bombers and 10,000 troops to protect Zoggiedom.

King Richard, it is in the best interest of the situation if you do not send anymore forces into the area. Already there is a lot of forces currently in and around the area. Our ally, The Zoogie People, will have more than enough protection - not only by us but by our adversaries at this current moment, as he remains neutral in this affair.

On a more cheeful note, you guys are pitiful. Is this all you can do - flaunt your military muscle and quabble over things that can easily be solved by a diplomatic meeting?OOC: *Iuthia waits for the "not including Iuthia of course" comment that should have followed this statement.*

OOC: Ive claimed it, fair RP, so there!

In advice of Shinoxia, and Malatose, I will NOT let anybody take away the RIght of the Peoples of Hogsweat to have a full nation of their own. I will NOT ask Shinoxia and Malatose to withdraw their forces. Just let me take the Island... peacefully. The mining contracts still stand with whoever it was.

God, 4 pages in one enight while i was in bed... jesus!

OOC:
How irresponsible of you as a national leader to just give that repsonse. You cannot say you "found" it as satellites would have picked it up long before.. This isn't part of your nation, it is an Island which happens to have an underground research facility owned by Doujin. The land around it is ours, and that is that. If you wish conflict without diplomacy, then that is your choice.. however sad it might be.

Iuthia will note that Hogsweat isn't willing to attempt any form of peace talks and remember to keep this in mind for future diplomatic efforts.

We are disapointed that the nation of Hogsweat isn't willing to be civilised about this, and while the Doujin claim is quite... dubious, we don't actually recognise either peices of territory as "proof" simply saying "finders keepers" doesn't work in our mind.

Still, we are sure that now you're willing to fight over it thousand of men will die for your "finders keepers" claim.

We will conitue to watch this situation escalate and we will note to our allies who to watch out for as such situations say alot about a nation.

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That was a rather rash reply. I apologise. I have come to a conclusion -

I would be content with Doujin controlling a part of the North-Westerly Island Cliffs - as long as his base is under constant Hogsweat Military watch and there are two destroyers out on the coast watching the base. I hope this conclusion will reach an end to the conflict for us all.

While I understand your possible concern, Hogsweat, would you be asking those same requirements if I was still a member of the GDI? I have no problem with the nation of Hogsweat or the GDI. As two destroyers aren't really needed off the coast, there are other methods of "watching" people and you are aware of it. If you take out the destroyers, it is perfectly acceptable. Maybe future relations between us may be better because of the proximity of our lands now, even thuogh this isn't Doujin mainland, as it is becoming Hogsweats.

The Spearhead Class ships, each capable of carrying almost 1,000 people are being dispatched from the Assault Fleet as this message is sent.

Agreed Doujin - Ill put a map up now.

Agreed Doujin - Ill put a map up now.

OOC Are you posting the map here? I'm quite interested in seeing this....

(as Zoogie)...we are sending six large 'floating city' (can't find specs now) vessels acquired from Tiboritia to aid in the movement.
(OOC) Here are the specs (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=126768&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0). Why not order yours today? :D

On a more cheeful note, you guys are pitiful. Is this all you can do - flaunt your military muscle and quabble over things that can easily be solved by a diplomatic meeting?OOC: *Iuthia waits for the "not including Iuthia of course" comment that should have followed this statement.*

Oh, not including Iuthia, of course, but I was unaware he made any IC quotes...ah well.

Anyways...


Hogsweat, please accept our previous offer, since washed down by war threats and such, of embassy exchange and the ability to have a military base in your new found land...this is in friendship, not because we want land.

And King Richard, you posted in the wrong thread!!! Ahhh....

Anasia fully supports Hogsweat, and will stop at nothing to make sure that the people of Hogsweat reach a solution to this crisis which is acceptable to them.

That was a rather rash reply. I apologise. I have come to a conclusion -

I would be content with Doujin controlling a part of the North-Westerly Island Cliffs - as long as his base is under constant Hogsweat Military watch and there are two destroyers out on the coast watching the base. I hope this conclusion will reach an end to the conflict for us all.

Hogsweat how can you allow him to simply take this land?

You could defeat him but your allowing a nation to push you around like that? Come on, show some military strength, force him to leave...

And Zoogie, I didn't fail Diplomacy 101, it's just my diplomacy comes out the barrel of a gun....

1.) The land doesn't belong to him yet until we get his populace moved there

2.) Obviously you fialed Diplomacy 101, as you obviously prefer military action. Diplomacy is the art or practice of conducting international relations, as in negotiating alliances, treaties, and agreements. Not threatening people with war. That's bullying. Your preference for war and international stability has been noted, Shinoxia, and we withdraw our bid in the design of the submarine.

And Zoogie, I didn't fail Diplomacy 101, it's just my diplomacy comes out the barrel of a gun....

Ah, it would seem that instead of taking the time to talk about things in a civilised manner, this backwards nation would rather pound it's chest in the hope it may intimidate smaller nations, they would prefer to send their men to their deaths in a pointless war other then spend the time to talk with the nation first, perhaps to reach some sort of agreement they can both live with...

I should have noticed this last time when you went to war over some lost revenue, it's clear you have no interest with peaceful solutions.

And Zoogie, I didn't fail Diplomacy 101, it's just my diplomacy comes out the barrel of a gun....

Ah, it would seem that instead of taking the time to talk about things in a civilised manner, this backwards nation would rather pound it's chest in the hope it may intimidate smaller nations, they would prefer to send their men to their deaths in a pointless war other then spend the time to talk with the nation first, perhaps to reach some sort of agreement they can both live with...

I should have noticed this last time when you went to war over some lost revenue, it's clear you have no interest with peaceful solutions.

Backwards, in my opinion it is you, Iuthia that is not being diplomatic, from my point of view anyway.

Also, I don't really intimidate smaller nations, Doujin is bigger than me you know?

I suppose when a nation isn't walking the right way it would look like Iuthia is backwards. However I guess it's none to important. Seeing as Hogsweat is willing to try diplomacy I guess that would make him backwards too...

Seeing as Doujin has applied for UnAPS membership I feel that I must point out that any act of aggression against this nation done without provocation will draw Iuthia and UnAPS allies into the fray; currently I don't see Doujin's part of this island to be due provocation so providing Doujin is peaceful we will support him should anyone attempt to attack his citizens currently on the island.

Currently I don't see any need to start mobilising forces, but I want to make it clear that any actions against Doujin will be taken seriously... personally we don't see why so many nations are prepared to mobilise forces over this issue and we hope that our relationship with Hogsweat and the GDI remains good. We have a good relationship with War_In_Heaven and we can only hope this extends to Hogsweat as well.

Providing everyone is reasonable we will keep our forces well out of this situation, we don't want to see Doujin suffer another nuclear attack over something so small. So let it be known we are watching this carefully.

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Im letting him take it Shinoxia, because of several reasons.

1.) First I misunderstood his intentions - i thought he wanted the WHOLE Island.

2.) Im not willing to risk military forces at such a time, and military forces of anybody elses nation - just to argue over a piece of land. (Doujin, the base is 100KM/100KM)



All embassies are fully opened - The capital is being rebuilt and the colony consists of - 12,000,000 Colonists already. All over cities are being rebuilt.

If you need any assistance in rebuilding, Hogsweat, just ask.

Thanks - Heres a map - in red is doujin territory :

http://www.angelfire.com/vamp/mattpic/MAP.swf