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RelicArms Press Release:
CRDA AMMI "Buckler"

When a cruise missile is skimming accross the water, bearing down on one of your prized aircraft carriers, what do you use to intercept it? The big name Phalanx 20mm always gets mentioned. For those of you that have never bothred looking it up, a Phalanx 20mm is a CIWS(close in weapon system), a system designed to shoot down missiles and planes that get too close for comfort. Anyone that has ever seen a phalanx can tell you that it isn't exactly the most portable of systems, or the most aerodynamic, but then again it doesn't have to be, because its on a hulking naval vessel, and those things aren't issues. Its plain to see that a CIWS would never function on airplanes for these reasons.

Then came guided ammo.

Suddenly it didn't take thousands of shots to insure the destruction of a missile. Suddenly massive ammo boxes and chainguns became unneccessary accessories. With the ability to shoot down a threat with so little resources, we have compacted the system to a level useable by dogfighting planes.

Imagine an elongated dome (aerodynamically sound, naturally) with 4 holes, one facing outward in each direction. These holes are the barrels to shortbarreled 20mm cannons, each with 25 shots of 20mm guided in storage. The middle of the dome is a small radar unit, linked up to a series of computers and the aircraft's main radar. Imagine one of these little contraptions on each side of a plane.

Warning! Incoming Missile! Even as your pilot takes evasive maneuvers, these little domes are in communication with eachother, determining the location of the incoming threat. When the missile closes for the strike, it finds itself facing (on average) 6 guns, only one of which needs to hit to shoot it down.

The future of aerial combat is here, and RelicArms is leading the way. Oh and we're not leaving breadcrumbs, this is our tech and it will stay that way.

Cannot Be Sold, Only Available To Relic

We are already in the process of upgrading our Relic Edition Valefor 29a (http://www.freewebs.com/bluebomber/storefrontaircraft.htm) fighters with this technology, making them the most advanced dogfighter in the Nation States world. I dare someone to prove otherwise.

Edit: Realized I can fit more ammo behind each gun.

OOC: Guided ammo? I'm pretty sure that would be hard to pull off... You need to somehow guide the ammo in-flight, not to mention compensate for the spinning bullets, no?

http://www.snipercountry.com/bullet.htm

Come to think of it, I wonder if sniper country frequents that site.......

I'm gonna bump this one more time for the night crowd to see.

Who's jealous?

Who wants a fighter competition?

*looks at the link*

God have mercy...wonder when all soldiers will be replaced with robots...

Thanks to Kotterdam, our fighters have had seni-guided CIWS for a while now. Check out our fighters here:

http://www.freewebs.com/phoenixius/PIMS.JPG (http://s6.invisionfree.com/International_Mall/index.php?showforum=33)

guided ammo thats bloody imposible you vant compact any sort of computer in a 20MM round whats gona make it change direction the round is just to small

guided ammo thats bloody imposible you vant compact any sort of computer in a 20MM round whats gona make it change direction the round is just to smallRead the link before responding.

A guided bullet would either have no more range than say 50 meters, or guide on a huge ark at a slow power.

yeah ok 15yrs away and for 3 times the cost even at the early development stage. i still think is a tad on the imposible side at the momment. You could easly find a way to confuse the bullets anyway.

OOC: Actually, a crude version of the guidance chip on the Dominion's command guided rounds can be found in any remote control toy car. It's a simple reciever that only needs to be able to understand four commands. Up, down, left, or right. it doesn't need to understand where it's going, or what it's doing. It just needs to do it.

All actual guidance is performed by the fighter itself, and the directions are transmitted to the round. The rounds have no fins, and no thrusters. They change course by tilting the very tip of the round, thus changing the round's aerodynamics, and altering its course. This is achieved through the use of special polymers that contract when exposed to a slight electic current, much like a human muscle. Four are used, and working in concert, they can correct the weapon's aim. These are not miniature missiles by any stretch of the imagination, however. They can correctthe aim, and dramatically increase the probability of a strike, but they only get one pass to do it, and they aren't perfect.

These rounds, codenamed Hailstorm, have thus far been able to reliably strike targets up to the maximum range of a comparable conventional round. They do have limitations, however. First, they cannot make another pass, unlike missiles. If you evade the initial shot, there is no risk that the bullet will chase after you. Secondly, while this method of altering the round's course can be applied to self- and semi-guided rounds, command-guided rounds require that the unit firing them be equipped with a guidance package, or else they behave like conventional rounds. A number of real-world militaries are exploring the possibilities offered by such ammunition for use in the next generation of anti-materiel sniper rifles. We've simply carried this technology over for use in aircraft.

Incidentally, Dominion aircraft thus far use Hailstorm weapons only for their cannon. The idea of using them to shoot down missiles inbound for aircraft never occured to me. It's not something I'm going to look into for my fighters, but an interesting idea nonetheless. The fact that some Dominion fighters use Hailstorm rounds doesn't make them invincible - It just makes them more lethal close in. Engage them from range with a missile shot, and they're just another fighter.

Sileetris, we are not of relic. But we wish to counted as members. Is this possible?

Hi, Actually, there is such a thing as guided bullet, has been developed in the US and is undergoing trials.

The bullet uses mini gyroscopes (dont ask me technical stuff because I don't know) but it does exist.

I suppose you could try looking for it in DARPA.

Throwing lead at it still works for us.

I love Metalstorm.

god bless john ringo and the M1 E

Heh, the Posleen series Metalstorm was cool, but that aint what I'm talking about. We've got 20-25mm Metalstorms that can be mounted on ships, or on pods in the wings.

Come to think of it, why bother having guided bullets if you can just get your bullet to go really fast?

Or why use bullets at all? DARPA is researching HELLADS weapons for fighter aircraft...

Easy Green: Guided ammo still has the same range as normal ammo, it uses the same amount of explosives.

Underwater asylum: Let's resolve the whole robot thing first......

New Empire: Because a fast moving bullet still has to be aimed precisely, which is hard to do when your banking at mach speeds in a dogfight. Guided ammo lets the system have a bit of leeway, which means it can fire the bullet on a moments notice, instead of trying to line a shot up with it.

So what does everyone think of the Relic Special Edition Valefor? Is it not one of the most awesome sights in NS?

Who says you need to line up the nose? Turreted weapons systems like MetalStorm and HyVeloc have been used on helicopters, tanks, and naval vessels. It wouldn't take much work to attach them to an aircraft.

I didn't say it had to fire forward, thats the point of these, they're missile interceptors that protect all angles of attack. The guided ammunition has the advantage of not needing a bulky pivoting turret with piles of ammunition. At mach speeds, having a moving turret that has to line up a target is really going to increase drag.

It is still possible to dodge even with a solid lock, and without one then these are slow firing and costly regular bullets. Lasers are the future, and with them becoming small enough to mount on ships in the anti-missile role. Laser defense systems are modern, just check for THEL.

Since when have air to air missiles been programmed to dodge rounds moving at many times mach speed? At the speed the two projectiles are going, there is no way for one to manuever around the other in time, let alone for the missile to even detect the incoming shot.

Guided ammo doesn't fire any slower than regular ammo, and the cost of a few bullets is much less than the cost of a new plane.

THEL is still a very large and complex system, they hope to eventually mount it on C-130s C-17s and C-5s. MY system can be mounted on fighter jets, and has full coverage. To achieve full coverage with lasers you would need to miniaturize them enough to mount in several locations on a plane, and find a way to power them.

I didn't say it had to fire forward, thats the point of these, they're missile interceptors that protect all angles of attack. The guided ammunition has the advantage of not needing a bulky pivoting turret with piles of ammunition. At mach speeds, having a moving turret that has to line up a target is really going to increase drag.
Who said it was bulky? They're not large, and could be fitted with more aerodynamic coverings. *Goes to work*
Already beat Raysia... Now I gotta keep ahead of you!
Oh, and one more thing. Look on the DARPA website for HELLADS. It's a fighter portable laser system program.