NationStates Jolt Archive

For too long now, nations have been going to war over a nations ideas and politics. To cite an old but perfect example, the Amerigo Slave war. As a major combatant and protector of Amerigonian Sovereignty, we helped defended them from illegal invaders such as Iesus Christi.

We must protect nations from being harmed because a nation dislikes their government or their ideals. We must cast off international stereotypes, and work towards a better world. Let us spend less focus on nations that might have a bad government quality, and work on helping those that we can tell do.

Posage is exactly this. Posage is to be a completely unbiased, non-profit alliance made to protect these peoples. In Posage, we will set up an international regular force to help protect sovereign peoples, as well as pool our collective militaries together in defense of sovereign peoples.

Posage will not be about flaunting power around. Quite the opposite infact, we are for the lessening of agression. Posage will help defend any nation that is being attacked solely for its type of government of national beliefs.

To join Posage, you simply need to do a few simple things. You must pledge to never attack a nation for these reasons, to help in any way you can for the defense of these peoples, and you must be at least semi active(Weekly).

Posage wont only be about the defense of sovereign peoples, although that is the main purpose. We want members to prosper to help even more, and there will be optional prefered trading benefits given by people to members.

Posage wont require you to change region, to leave other alliances(unless they are for anti-Posage ideals), or to even act militarially. However, you will need to give something to the international force, whether it be a brigade or a number of divisions.

Posage will work in a few ways. We will have a webpage and a forum. The webpage will give news as to what is happening in the NS world that is important to Posage. The forums will be for members to vote, talk, etc...

There will be a group of 6 permanent security members, and 5 temporary security members. The permanent security members(with the exception of me) will be voted by the members, and the vote will be started by a old permanent member. The temporary security members will be chosen at random, and wont be rechosen until all qualified other members have gone an equal amount of times.

The security members will vote on issues, whether it be to change something in the military, to act for the defense of a nation, or to boot out a nation. To be qualified, you have to be active on the boards, we will leave it to you to understand how often that means.

Posage for a better world!

To: Chellis Diplomats
From: Vrak Diplomatic Corps
Subject: Posage

Most interesting. Mind you, we are already part of an organization that values a nation's sovereignty. But we wish you the best of luck.

To join, please give name and email/form of communication. You will be contacted shortly. Also, any info or suggestions is strongly encouraged.

Chellis also plans on supplying a large number of the forces for the military, so we will have an early strong force.

Chellis thanks Vrak, and hopes that it does well on its goal of protecting sovereignty. Self Determination for all!

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From: The Federated Stellar Republics of Wormia
To: The ? of Chellis

Quite frankly, this is a joke. The Wormian government is deeply appalled at your actions. First, you side with Russian Forces in starting a war because someone commented on the aforementioned nations' actual intentions.

Quite frankly, you and Russian Forces ought to pay the nation you sided to attack because he voiced is opinion reparitions.

OOC: Mercantilist Absolutism

IC:

Chellis supports Russian Forces in fighting nations who have voiced an policy to forcibly attack communist nations because they are communist. This is the epitomy of Posage, we are defending communist nations in this case from aggresive anti-capitalists. Offense is the greatest defense.

The People are curios- did Chellis defend in the past and does it expect to again defend slave-holders and runners, under the pretext that it is a nation's right to torture and oppress freeborn men and/or women?

If this is so, Chellis' proposed organisation is set to be declared a counter-revolutionary force, and its constituents an enemy of the people. National sovereignty means nothing next to the health and contentment of intelligent beings and that which they hold dear.

Should Posage defend genocide simply because it is domestic, or slavery simply because it is not forced upon its own members, it should expect to find that its assets travelling through the Indian Ocean are frequently redirected to Commonwealth re-education facilities.

-Commonwealth Professional Civil Servant comrade Graeme Igo.

Chellis doesnt condone slavery, but if a nation chooses to do it nationally(as opposed to internationaly), its their rights. It most likely has to do with traditions or religious beliefs.

Chellis protects its own revolution and no one elses.

The PRKS wishes you luck on this venture.

Then let it be known that comrade Igo's sentiments are ratified by The Commonwealth Final Senate, and that relations between Beth Gellert (and surely the civilised world), and Posage rest now on a knife edge. Posage is in a position to make itself an enemy of the people by standing ready to defend human rights abuses and by placing authority before freedom and individuality.

Coming from communists that sentiment ought to hit all the harder.

-Commonwealth Chief Consul comrade Chivo.

Does this mean we can't go after terrorist governments?

Chellis doesnt condone slavery, but if a nation chooses to do it nationally(as opposed to internationaly), its their rights. It most likely has to do with traditions or religious beliefs.

So if a nation decides to oppress, persecute, torture and enslave its citizens it is that nation's choice and we shouldn't intefere? Even if this would be for the benefit of the majority of that nation? And why does a tradition or religious belief make it more ok to enslave people?

Chellis laughs at this. How dare you judge a people like that? We don't believe in slavery, but does that mean we are right? A might makes right policy is rediculous. It is, of course, wrong to force another nations people to slave, but if its a part of your nation, isn't it in your right?

However, this isnt something technical. Chellis believes technicalities only slow down progress. If the security members vote against helping a slaver, than it wouldn't go through. Posage is meant to save nations who are being target for their political views, etc.

Also, terrorism invadingness would be allowed. Terrorism is against international laws and is meant to just hurt people.

Chellis doesnt condone slavery, but if a nation chooses to do it nationally(as opposed to internationaly), its their rights. It most likely has to do with traditions or religious beliefs.

So if a nation decides to oppress, persecute, torture and enslave its citizens it is that nation's choice and we shouldn't intefere? Even if this would be for the benefit of the majority of that nation? And why does a tradition or religious belief make it more ok to enslave people?

OOC: If this is only a message to Chellis please feel free to disregard it.

IC:

And what give you the right to meddle in the affairs of another nation? To us, the meddlers are keen on promoting their own agenda in the guise of "liberating" the people yet set themselves up as the new tyrants.

Exactly how chellis feels. Ones evil is anothers righteousness.

I do not support those nations who constantly meddle in the affairs of other nations, and i would not seek to supplant a government with my own puppet government or tell a state exactly how to conduct their affairs but if a government is blatantly persecuting its citizens it is the right and duty of anybody with any power to intervene in some way. In most cases, when nations use torture, slavery etc it has nothing to do with morals it is just tyrants using force to remain in power and increase the power they have.

Chellis supports Russian Forces in fighting nations who have voiced an policy to forcibly attack communist nations because they are communist. This is the epitomy of Posage, we are defending communist nations in this case from aggresive anti-capitalists. Offense is the greatest defense.

We were quite surpised at your willing to go to war over such a thing... we could understand if that nation had actively attacked Russian Forces, but it seemed that all the nation did was admit it didn't like communism.

It took some time but we eventually got Russian Forces to give up the idea of declaring war on anyone who didn't like him. Now he's taken a more defencive policy.

Whoever, you would have me beleive that your nation is impartial and neutral, yet willing to commit themselves to war because a nation says it doesn't like Communism?

If a nation is free to kill it's people and commit genocide then surely they are allowed to harbour hatred for communists so long as they don't act on it.


Note: We have a fair few communist allies, including some that are also allies with Russian Forces, we are not against the idea of communism but we do oppose Russian Force's warmongering attitudes.


Thanks,

Lord General deGritz, leader of Iuthia

I do not support those nations who constantly meddle in the affairs of other nations, and i would not seek to supplant a government with my own puppet government or tell a state exactly how to conduct their affairs but if a government is blatantly persecuting its citizens it is the right and duty of anybody with any power to intervene in some way. In most cases, when nations use torture, slavery etc it has nothing to do with morals it is just tyrants using force to remain in power and increase the power they have.

If the Fates decree that eventually such a government will come to an end, then it will be so. Let each nation chart their own path. We have dealt with meddlers before and seem to continue dealing with such ilk in the FKC. Frankly, we have been handling them with kids gloves...but we will be taking a sterner line towards them in the future. We've had it with meddlers interfering in our way of life. Perhaps these cursed meddlers should consider this; what if we were to decree that their way of life represented a putrid stench to our nostrils? Wouldn't we be justified in invading them "for the greater good and uplifting of humanity?" They will soon find out what happens when the shoe is on the other foot.

OOC: What happened to that one alliance we created a while ago?

Macabees, wasnt organized well enough.

Iuthia, we arent in favor of attacking anti-communists. It is infact illegal to be a communist in chellis. However, some nations have been trying to raise armys and coalitions for the sole purpose of destroying communist nations. They have an obvious intent to fight. We are simply making a pre-emptive strike against people who have already stated their wishes to kill communist nations.