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The Imperial Republic of Coreworlds has long sought a design to create a Star Battleship. It will be used as a mobile platform, and emergency fleet command ship for the President-Emperor and high-ranking members of the government, in case the government should fall to civil war or major conflict with powerful races/nations. The specs will be as follows:

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Sovereign

Length: 16,000 meters or 10 miles long.
Crew: 601,670; gunners: 4,075; skeleton: 86,000
Passengers: 130,100 (troops)
Cargo Capacity: 400,000 metric tons
Consumables: 5 years

As for weapons, we would use phasers procured from an unamed source as antistarfighter weapons, to complement the laser cannons. Other weapons are as follows:

250 Phaser Banks (as point-defense weaponry)

250 Heavy laser cannons

500 Turbolaser batteries

75 Ion cannons

50 Tractor beam emplacements

50 Missile/torpedo launchers

5 Gravity well projectors

Defense:
Redundant shielding designed to absorb battle damage better than normal shielding. The phasers and lasers are point defense against missiles, fighters and torpedoes.

Now, here is the question. What primary weapon should we use? A superlaser is fine and all, but the name seems corny, and all it does is blow up stuff. We need a fresh weapon and effects. Our scientists are thinking of throwing singularities, but is there something better?

This project is expected to take 15 years, if not longer, and 5 trillion credits the first half of building, and 5 trillion the next half credits.

OK, 2 serious problems with this:

1) Why the eff do you need a 10-mile long starship?! That's a space station, man!

2) 100 billion dollars?!?! Yeah right. Try somewhere near 10 or 20 trillion for a ship that size. Anything less than 5 trill for a ship that size is nothing less than godmodding... resources and labor and tech and research gotta come from somewhere.

Teseraks, the folding of space/time. Can be used both as rapid transport or to rip ships or even planets apart at their very atomic (or smaller) seams.

Or just go with point singularitiy weapons.

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And a 10 mile long ship is overkill, and would take longer than 5 years to build.

OK, 2 serious problems with this:

1) Why the eff do you need a 10-mile long starship?! That's a space station, man!

2) 100 billion dollars?!?! Yeah right. Try somewhere near 10 or 20 trillion for a ship that size. Anything less than 5 trill for a ship that size is nothing less than godmodding... resources and labor and tech and research gotta come from somewhere.

1. Hey, I did say it was a mobile platform.
2. Ok. I'll change it, but we'll see what others say.

Not to mention that you have 4 20-megaton nukes for engines *roll* Those engines are bigger than the star destroyers!

Off topic....What program are you using to model your ships? Or did you just take this from a website?

Eh, the whole idea is to have enough protection to escape from danger, since I'm plotting to commit nationcide soon, but not yet.

Off topic....What program are you using to model your ships? Or did you just take this from a website?

Eh, it's a good site. You'd think I could make something THIS good?

I don't see how having a 10mile long ship is a good way to escape from danger. Its a ginourmous target.

I don't see how having a 10mile long ship is a good way to escape from danger. Its a ginourmous target.

Firepower, mi amigo. Anyway, I guess this is a flop. Back to the drawing board...

(Though I might still think about it later)

:P
NOT!
I think I'll build it anyway. 15-20 years sounds like a nice time, also to spread the money a bit.

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20 trillion dollars is only enough to fund the entire UNITED STATES for a few years. It would take hundreds of trillions of dollars to build a ship that size, and, consequentially, you have to take into effect the value of your currency. I got enough money from many countries to build an enourmous 20-mile long starship, because my currency is worth very little compared to other countries, however in my Federation, that money will go a LONG way. I know that you may think that i am godmodding, however, it is a very real possibility with all the money and help that i received from my allies. It cost about 800 trillion marks, or roughly 350 trillion USD and took decades to build.

OOC: I have to admit, 100 Billion is a silly price for a vessal like that, thats a mess less then I had to pay for my Carrier (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=97431&highlight=)...

Which bring me to a question. How come your 10 mile vessal has less mass then my large but limited Carrier vessel?

I suppose it could be a problem on my end as my Carrier is straight from HomeWorld with the stats taken from the book... computer games are always realistic so I could be wrong. But my vessal has a mass of 600'000 tons. Yet it has limited weapons (Small Mass Diver Turrets) and can only carry 50 fighters and 25 Corvettes...

my 20-mile long battleship is armed to the teeth with over 200,000 weapon emplacements. You are gonna have a huge ship with almost NOTHING on it. Those weapons are pitiful. Here are the stats for my ship.

The Bismarck Class Battleship

COST: 800 Trillion Marks (or equivalent) (1 usd=457 marks)
Length: 20 Miles, Height: 6.5 Miles, Width: Top: 2 Miles Midsection: 6 Miles
Bottom: 2 Miles
Crew Compliment: 550,000
Marine Compliment: 200,000
Assorted Personnel: 50,000
Total: 800,000

Fighter Compliment:
Meschersmitt 180-NASF = 1,000
Gerhart ICF-10-NASF = 800
Munich HWF-A-PBAF = 800
Hamburg APAF-1B-NAASF = 620
Hangar Bays = 40

Shuttle Compliment:
Boarding Shuttles: 500 carrying capacity: 400
Administrative Shuttles: 40 carrying capacity: 10
Torpedo/Missile Platform Shuttles: 100
100 Anti-Matter Torpedoes
10 High-Yield Tri-Cobalt Torpedoes
30 High-End Type II Propulsion System Ionized Deuterium Missiles
Planetary Assault Vehicles: 600
carrying capacity:
Marines: 500
ATTV: 10
HABV: 4
Panzer Tanks: 15
Atmospheric Superiority Fighters: 30
Armament:
50,000 Torpedo Launcher Tubes
100,000 Red Pulse Beam arrays
50,000 Blue Pulse Beam arrays
10,00 Yellow Pulse Beam arrays
100 Ion Cannons
2 Phase Pulse Cannons
1 Rift Generator
Armor:
Tritanium-Alloy Bulkheads
Force field energy deflection system
Harmonic Shield Systems: 1000000 MEPAAs
Phase Shield Systems: 900000 KPUs
Propulsion Systems
4 Impulse Engines
8 Matter-Antimatter faster-than-light engines
2 Hyperspace Field Generators

Good old Super-Star Destroyers.

(A 10 mile long ship .. humm the bigger they are the harder they fall and btw yeah it will cost more than 100 billi to build a ship that size ... plus it will take years... also that ship must have a weakness... say sub space torpdos ?)

I'm 5CN's puppet if you don't know... No wonder I have 10+ km long ships... At the rate this is going, I'll need to build four more...

:roll: You guys have todly lost touch with the advantage of manuvribly my bigest ship is 1 1/2 KMS LONG .. i bet a few squads of defiants and white stars could destory one of these super duper ships..

Length: 16,000 meters or 10 miles long.
Crew: 601,670; Farmers: 4,075;
Tourists: 130,100 (troops)
Cardboard production: 400,000 metric tons
Consumables: 5 years

250 Heavy Cardboard Banks
250 Heavy Gum trees cannons
500 coconut batteries
75 Grapefruit cannons
50 ladder emplacements
50 Rusty 88mm guns from WW2 launchers
5 singularities crushing the ship and its crew

COST: 800 Trillion Marks (or equivalent) (1 usd=457 marks)
Length: 20 Miles, Height: 6.5 Miles, Width: Top: 2 Miles Midsection: 6 Miles
Bottom: 2 Miles
Crew Compliment: A medium sized city
Marine Compliment: another medium sized city
Assorted Personnel: a large town
Total: A big city

Fighter Compliment:
Meschersmitt 180-NASF = same as ten entire nimitz carriers. In space.
Gerhart ICF-10-NASF = see above
Munich HWF-A-PBAF = and again
Hamburg APAF-1B-NAASF = Wow...
Hangar Bays = Yeah!

Shuttle Compliment:
Boarding Shuttles: A lot of them, Boeing 747 sized
Administrative Shuttles: Eh? This is actually reasonable...
Torpedo/Missile Platform Shuttles: ok...
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Whatever that is.
Uh...?
Planetary Assault Vehicles: like, a fleet of `em?
carrying capacity:
Marines: ok...
ATTV: yes...
HABV: I see
Panzer Tanks: Woorks for a single ship, not for a transporter
Atmospheric Superiority Fighters: YAY! Reasonable!
Armament:
50,000 Torpedo Launcher Tubes (or not)
100,000 Red Pulse Beam arrays (really not)
50,000 Blue Pulse Beam arrays (yeah, sure...)
10,00 Yellow Pulse Beam arrays (since when are colours doing damage, anyway?)
100 Ion Cannons (Again, reasonable. YAY!)
2 Phase Pulse Cannons (ok.)
1 Rift Generator (Whatever that is)
Armor:
Tritanium-Alloy Bulkheads (See above)
Force field energy deflection system (yeah... You don´t want to know what I think of OMG ENERGY SHIELDS, do you?)
Harmonic Shield Systems: 1000000 MEPAAs (^)
Phase Shield Systems: 900000 KPUs (ROFL)

For both: If you´re just playing with yourself and/ or asking/ informing fellow RPers about your insan... tech, asking if your stuff is actually accepted, that is perfectly legitimate, have fun.

However, if you´re going to use that in normal threads (Say, not started by you) I can already see the ignore bombardements...

Well, either that or you have floating cardboard with very shiny stats floating in space...

OOC: I think I'm going to have to draw up a list of technologies that my future tech aspect will not RP with without OOC conversations first taking place...

On top of this list will always be nanotech, seeing as I have a grudge against nanotech.

I'll admit, I'm mostly a modern tech nation and in pretty much all RP's which could involve war it remains that way... however we do have a space fleet based on Homeworld Technology (no lasers for me) which is higly limited...

Though personally I'm tired of blatant arguements between ST and SW fans... partly because the two don't mix well (Star Wars technology is much more advanced) and partly because if you are going to have a future tech war you should work out what technology does what before hand in a OOC thread.

Der Angst: :roll: .

TFU:
HAH! Let's see YOU try destroying my ship! I will crush your fleet like a bug! (it has a weakness, but it's for me to know and for you to find out)

Germanische Zustände:
Hey, aren't you that newb that tried to pull that 20 mile-long ship out of your butt? Methinks I will actually test it with my fleet...later.

Everyone else: I honor your comments. Now, I need a primary weapon. Superlasers? Too cheesy. I want something that actually creates cool effects, something that screams "Kill with style and 8) ".

I'm thinking of something in the realm of singularities, but I honor your suggestions.

Errr... Singularity? You do realise that most nations running other space tech threads will probably ignore this, hell I'm beginning to think that this is just a death star with a new shape and change of name... way to advanced for me to worry as it doesn't exist...

*Drops the singularity idea like a hot potato*
Hmm...

*picks up the singularity potato and stuffs it down Coreworlds' throat*

MMMPPPHHH! (What did I say?)

The emperor Fenix is a little more excepting of this idea. as a nation we are in possesion of three large space ships. one at 8 and two at 5 miles long. they are called ships because they designed to move eventually, but they act as colony for a large quantity of our nation. we're not a militaristic civilization and so the only armaments are those placed to defend from debris in space, which reduces the cost. its possible to build these things with limited difficulty if you do not run an open democratic soceity or you run a technocratic one. facism can force the labour for free, it drains your resources but you make it back up after you conquer some unsuspecting space stations, there are a lot floating around out there. an as a socialist technocracy once public opinion is swayed the government has the power to requesition work and resources as the will of the people, like fascism but with consent. we also pride ourselves on remote and robotic technology and our nations space elevator which drastically reduces costs. what was 100 trillion dollars became for us a few hundred billion. though we wernt paying for tactical nukes. be warned if you shoot something in space the debris spins out all over the place and will hit you probably travelling very fast. with a platorm and working style that would lower costs we could construct you your ship in 3 years at say 900 billion, but youd have to fit the guns yourself.

Der Angst: :roll: .

TFU:
HAH! Let's see YOU try destroying my ship! I will crush your fleet like a bug! (it has a weakness, but it's for me to know and for you to find out)

Germanische Zustände:
Hey, aren't you that newb that tried to pull that 20 mile-long ship out of your butt? Methinks I will actually test it with my fleet...later.

Everyone else: I honor your comments. Now, I need a primary weapon. Superlasers? Too cheesy. I want something that actually creates cool effects, something that screams "Kill with style and 8) ".

I'm thinking of something in the realm of singularities, but I honor your suggestions. :roll: Uhh yeah right... That thing coulding get 10 parsecs away from my borders.. :P:P

Suuuure! Your ships are nothing compared to mine! I could attack and take your capital very, very fast. Neeext!

Ok, so I can't take your capital, but I can sure as hell damage it heavily.

:lol: (Right....) any one here thinks manuvriblity beats size. :P:P

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:lol: (Right....) any one here thinks manuvriblity beats size. :P:P

[ooc: Actually, no. Speed (Or in space, acceleration) beats size. Since the mass/ volume of the ship grows way faster than it`s surface area (cubed, rather than squared)while increasing its length, the larger the ship, the less acceleration (Since the engines need surface area, for obvious reasons, like, the exhausts of Ion or plasma engines).

Aka, mile- long ships have problems actually moving ^_^]

In unrelated news, M Marc C DuQuesne of Metals Conglomerate castigated his long-standing rival M Richard Seaton for what M DuQuesne called "fleeing like a scalded lab-gerbil".

M Seaton was unavailable for comment, and has been so for quite some time.

i didnt think anyone would be foolish enough to try and move mile long ships, theyre not attack use theyre orbitals. the three cythons that the Emperor own, are not designed to move often at all, no speed or manouverability at all. only the third cython the seeker (the largest) was ever designed to move at all. they can but you dont ever want to bother.

now if you were to build this ship coreworlds it would be a perfect generation ship. you do know what they are dont you, for those that dont, space ships designed to be sealed environments that would just travel endlessly in space. the Emperor Fenix has launched several into space in search of habitable planets, or at least those that could be terraformed.

now what you could do is go out and find a moon no-one wants and designate a third of your poulation turn the moon into a ship of planetiod size, and be the envy of the universe. take about 30 years if you want to do it properly with the gothic carvings and all, plus youd have to force them to make their own funds cos no country can afford to run that on debt as it were.

HH Emperor Fenix

Relayed by the AI mind Green Fairy from HHS Kraken

ooc: Hello? Is everyone ignoring the fact that i got enough funding to build TWO OF MY BATTLESHIPS? If you want I can give you a few of the names that gave me money, others I must keep secret in order to keep a steady stream of funding. My battleships, having a crew of 800,000, are not actually meant for war, as the Ancestors banned war. We had heard, however of terrible things that happenned to the Ancestors because of their love of peace. We used the ancient hulks of the Ancestors' colony ships and their space-docks to build the ship. thank you very much. I must get back to blowing up Juumanistra with it.

The Sovereign is now near completion. 15 years and billions of credits later, the command battleship has only minor touchups to finish now. A few more weeks, and it will begin it's maiden voyage. Emperor Andrew Masaki is pleased that it is nearly ready.

Superlasers. Do they shoot pulses, or continuous beams? I think, flying overhead, opening up Minbari style beam cannons, and literally carving the ship up says, killing with style.

I like this very much.

Could you build a death star for me, ill pay you. :D

lol, hell no. The Emperor wouldn't stand for one, anyway. He'll lead the charge to destroy them.

I like this very much.

Could you build a death star for me, ill pay you. :D
Sith your insane you even dare aquire one and ill glassify you with my fleet.

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I have the perfect weapon for you Coreworlds.
All this technology is getting boring, so why not mount catapults, and start firing rocks at all those who attack your new ship?
If you pass overhead, you could drop boiling oil!
Maybe you could use cannon, and bring it back to renaissance level!
"Fire a Broadside!"

Or, alternatively, you could use super powered magnets. Fire 2 into the ship, right next to each other, turn them on so both repel, and watch as they pull the ship to bits, trying to escape from each other.
I still think about 300 minbari beam cannons would look very stylish, because they would form this lattice in between the ships, making a nice pattern, before the enemy is cut to pieces.

Give me a few REAL Sovereign class ships ie: USS Enterprise NCC-1701E and I will kill your ship with numerous quantom torps and a Captain Picard

:lol: Im alredy pumping out desines to counter that and defend agaisnt that m0onstrosity..

.:OOC:.

The Super-Class Star Destroyer was the most incredible, powerful ship ever built at the time of the Galactic Civil War. Its 8 kilometers long hull was loaded with over a thousand weapons ranging from turbolasers to ion cannons to tractor beams; on a battlefield, the Super Star Destroyer reigns supreme.

Dude, a SSD was smaller than this thing! It was less than half its size! Less well armed, of course, but still! Though keep the discussion alive, as I am making plans for my own battleship. I'll be sure to keep CoreWorlds in my mind while constructing it. I may even make it smaller than a SSD, but more heavily armed, and well defended by modified SDs and frigates. Hopefully, I'll also be able to begin RPing in the SciFi realm before summer, after I've done the homework on it.

And Trekkies-please, no trolling or flaming about: "t3h 3nt3r9rize3 pwnz j00!!!!!111!oneshiftone 1 t0rped0 j00!!!!1 91card 15 g0d!!!!111one

OOC: lol, Some people (Trekkies) just don't realize that a regular ISD is more than a match for a fleet of Federation ships. For the sake of argument, I usually weaken my shields by 5-10% every time I post losses against a ST nation. My fighter corps will be decimated, but my capships will likely have a fairly easy time of killing Picard ( :twisted: ), unless there's a plot device that prevents such a thing...

Since no one put forward a primary weapon that could be better than the superlaser, we'll use the superlaser, or not.

OOC: lol, Some people (Trekkies) just don't realize that a regular ISD is more than a match for a fleet of Federation ships. For the sake of argument, I usually weaken my shields by 5-10% every time I post losses against a ST nation. My fighter corps will be decimated, but my capships will likely have a fairly easy time of killing Picard ( :twisted: ), unless there's a plot device that prevents such a thing...

Since no one put forward a primary weapon that could be better than the superlaser, we'll use the superlaser, or not.

OK, I was wrong about Picard, besides he is French :D .

Kirk would win, the same way he won Kobiyashi Maru, he would make some computer glitch and kill you after losing a 100 Red Shirts

OOC: lol, Some people (Trekkies) just don't realize that a regular ISD is more than a match for a fleet of Federation ships. For the sake of argument, I usually weaken my shields by 5-10% every time I post losses against a ST nation. My fighter corps will be decimated, but my capships will likely have a fairly easy time of killing Picard ( :twisted: ), unless there's a plot device that prevents such a thing...

Since no one put forward a primary weapon that could be better than the superlaser, we'll use the superlaser, or not.

OK, I was wrong about Picard, besides he is French :D .

Kirk would win, the same way he won Kobiyashi Maru, he would make some computer glitch and kill you after losing a 100 Red Shirts

.:OOC:.

No hijacking your own thread! :? :shock:

Anyway, BACK ON TOPIC, you still must account for how the thing manages to move, much less exist without crushing itself into a sphere shape. Gravity and inertia are against you, my friend. I fear that more than a few I.G.N.O.R.E. cannons will be directed at your ship.

It's my thread, is it not? :P

Hmm...Let's see. I use Star War tech, obviously. I have inertial compensators, repulserlifts, strong materials, and the fact that this ship isn't completely solid. I don't think a 10 mile long ship is going to crush itself into a sphere, unless my gravity wells go crazy....

.:OOC:.
Then all that equipment, together, has to equalize THE FORCE OF GRAVITY, or at least what force gravity exerts on the ship, and also NEVER go off line. And, of course, lets hope nobody gets aboard and drives said gravity wells crazy? :twisted: The consequences could be dire.

Hmm...I think I need to look at this design a little harder. I would have thought that a 10 mile-long ship wouldn't exert all that much gravity, at least not with any great strength.

If I was building an absurdly 100 mile long ship, then I would use a sphere shape, despite people screaming Death Star and blowing it to hell.

If you give me 1 Scimatar, I can kill you. It fires when cloaked and will use Thalaron Radiation to kill your crew

For an object to exert its own gravitational (sp) pull (enough to be noticible anyway), it would have to be much larger than ten kilometers. It would have to be the size of a small moon (ie a deathstar or one of Jupiter's midsize moons)

Thalaron radiation doesn't exist. Even if it did, it could be stopped by sufficiently dense elements (like lead stops gamma rays, etc.)

Next.

Now back to the ship,
Ten kilometers is on the high end of the spectrum, up near Foehammer's flagship (25 km) and Klonor's Colousses (7km)

You can get away with a ten kilometer starship, but it will have to be limited (as in very expensive.)

I must say that the ship contains a small amount of weapons for its size. Or are they really big weapons?

Fournately for me, I've tailored my technology and ship designs specifically to fight against startrek and especially starwars tech. This leaves me fairly vulnerable to someone who uses other tech, but I feel that it is worth it since most NS nations use one of those two disiplines of design. (Just informing you should you ever decide to invade my country.)

.:OOC:.
Then all that equipment, together, has to equalize THE FORCE OF GRAVITY, or at least what force gravity exerts on the ship, and also NEVER go off line. And, of course, lets hope nobody gets aboard and drives said gravity wells crazy? :twisted: The consequences could be dire.

With CF's post, then this ship does exert significant gravitational pull. I just did something in physics on this sort of thing; I should look the equation up. Anyway, at 10 km was his estimate, and this ship is 16 km. So all that technology, like I said, has to be online at all times, functioning optimally, and this already introduces a critical weakness. You play a dangerous game, then, CoreWorlds. How many optimized Star Destroyers could you build with the resources this ship requires?

Though, how the heck did someone build a 25 km ship? That makes this seem undersized! Can the thing even move? I'm going to go try and find other capital ship design threads, perhaps someone could post links if he knows of one off hand? Thanks.

.:Edit:. Stupid thing logged me on as a puppet again. -ARIZONA NOVA

Yeah, I know. That weakness is fairly common in really large ships. As for how many Star Destroyers I could build with this one ship's resources? I'd say about 10 or so, considering that this ship is ten times larger than an ISD. At least I'm not building an Eclipse. That thing is even BIGGER. This will likely be the only Sovereign battleship I will build. It'd be too much to build another one.

OOC:

I guess it's pretty simple what has to be said here: Future Tech can pretty much do what it likes, seeing as half of the things from Star Trek Tech are pretty insane it goes to show that you can do anything in the imagination.

However in return for this Ulimate Power the down side is that any nation can ignore any tech they deem to far into the future... of course if their own technology is silly then it's likely to cause the same to happen to them thus limiting to use of ignoring technology to those with limits like me.

Personally this monster is something I can never RP with... my Future Tech is retarded (in the sense that I don't have much of it) and I've not even got FTL sorted out yet. Meanwhile I could RP with smaller technologies from the same nation but I would need to sort alot out OOC before I do... otherwise I wouldn't bother.

Ulimately RP in Future Tech comes down to what is agreed upon by both nations in a OOC fashion. Star Trek and Star Wars don't mix because Star Wars is a hell of a advanced in comparision to Star Trek... however concessions can and should be made.

If you work together it will work 9 times out of 10.

Coreworld you have been a loyal ally to our nation and hence we will surpply you with ECM armor (Endor Crystal Mesh) and endor Steel if you wish.
we also offer any weapons you want includeing our Nova Mk2 Torpedos (sun killers) we also wish to know what kind of engine your goin to use to move that thing?
if you dont want that we also offer 60 Billion Cr per year towards the project if u want it.

also people with future tech dont all use ST or SW i dont my ships have disadvantages and Advantages for exsample:

my ships are heavy then most and there for need more power in the engines to keep orbit around a planet and they dont have sheilds till now
the advantage of my ships is the armor that is vary strong and can take alot more of a beating then a Star Trek ship to the armor.
as to weapons they do a lot of damage and a good rate of fire downside is they over heat faster then most people so i have to have points were weapons dont fire.

would u call me Insane with my tech???

Which is why instant messaging is so damned useful.

IC:
Thank you, CorpSac.

20 trillion dollars is only enough to fund the entire UNITED STATES for a few years. It would take hundreds of trillions of dollars to build a ship that size, and, consequentially, you have to take into effect the value of your currency. I got enough money from many countries to build an enourmous 20-mile long starship, because my currency is worth very little compared to other countries, however in my Federation, that money will go a LONG way. I know that you may think that i am godmodding, however, it is a very real possibility with all the money and help that i received from my allies. It cost about 800 trillion marks, or roughly 350 trillion USD and took decades to build.

3,200,000,000,000(x16 the cost of the Doujin)

The Doujin is almost 1km long.. cost ~200 billion to build.. you are vastly marking-up the cost, Germanische. Multiple 200 billion by 16 and you get 3.2 trillion.. thats for a wet navy ship the size(around that, anyway).. 10 trillion isn't far out of grasp.

Germanische Zustande u played 350 trill for u ship now i seen silly but thats hitss number one. i've seen big nations build Bigger stations for less then that plus u have to consider the fact that:

For all you know Coreworlds could have a sorce of Free or cheap laber (i know i do)
Cost of resources could be alot cheaper for Coreworlds
Research into Areas could have been done Years ago in prep for this project

im no u sead nothing about Man power and such but im just puting a point across. to me 10-15 Trillion Could make the station if the Labers cheap (or free) and the Resources are cheap. as long as the Research was done WAY in ADVACED then i dont see the problem.

the fact is most of the money when building anything goes to:

Some gready bas**** pockets
R&D
some other gready bas**** pockets

it cost vary little to build anything prices are put there so people make money, if the project is internal (by that completly controled by the goverment or Milltary) with all resources internal aswell then i dont see why it cant be 10 trillion.

We need help, our Daedalus class starchip, the USS Essex is in danger, she has lost auxiliary power and impulse is down to 50%. She needs to dock with Soveriegn or she and her crew will perrish. she is 1 month's time from the nearest ship in our fleet and is near Soveriegn. Essex is an old ship from the immediate aftermath of the Earth v. Romulan war. She has only 2 photon tubes and 4 phaser arrays and can't damage your ship so she won't fire on you and can't do damage. Please help us.

http://home.clara.net/alanjohn/daed/da006.jpg

OOC: lol er..... Mr Kirk this is a post telling people about a new ship Coreworlds is makeing not a er....RP you might want to put dat post somewere elce. dont worry we all do it once