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Leviathon Class
Trimaran Battleship
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Displacement: 650,000 tons
Propulsion: 8 x Mk 15 Nuclear Reactors/Steam Turbine Arrangement, 600,000 shp, 4 shafts / 4 jets, 36 kts
Crew: 2,000 + 240 Marines + 120 Flag Staff
Radar: AS18 Close-Range Air Search/Tracking, SS34 Long Range Surface Search/Tracking, SS44 Short Range Surface Search/Tracking, G04 Navigation
Fire Control: Overlord N/Command System, T03 Close Engagement Control, NG04A Gunfire Control
EW: 6 Type 3 Chaff/Flare Dispensers, ?Cosmic? ECM/ESM suite, undisclosed ELINT equipment.
Sonar: SN12 Bow-mounted, SN 20 Towed-array
Aviation: 1 extensive helipad + hangar, 8 medium helicopters
Armament: 24 x 22"/60 ?Peacemaker? Guns (6 x Quadruple Mounts), 8 x 5?/48 Guns (8 x Single Mounts), 2 x 42-Cell VLS (168 SAM/SSM Missiles), 16 x 20mm Legion CIWS, 6 x 20mm Cannons, 4 x 7.62mm GPMGs, 4 x ML Mk22 Torpedo Tubes (20 Torpedoes)
Armour: 500-1000mm Titanium Composite
Builders: Navarre Navy Shipyards(Division of Doujinshi Corporation)
Design: Very large trimiran design, very heavy armour and weaponry, but also maintains comparatively high performance. Excellent combatant in most areas.

Price: 29.7 billion

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CRDF Naval Forces Acquisition Offices
2355, Leetria, Sileetris.

First we would like to compliment you on another beautifully designed, and mercilessly efficient, combat vessel.

Next we would like to have the honor of being first buyer of these great vessels.

The CRDF wishes to purchase 3 Leviathan Class Battleships

Money will be sent over the next 2 months.

I'm sorry, but you would only be able to afford one.

Sileetris Gross Domestic Product

Population: 2,542,834,721
Civil Rights: Superb
Economy: Imploded
GDP per Capita: $516
GDP: $1,312,102,716,036
National Budget: $188,370,114,743

Percentage of GDP Spent on Defense: 2.15%
Percentage of Budget Spent on Defense: 15%
Military Budget: $28,255,517,211

Actually.

Each ship takes five NS years to build and deliver. Thus, if he pays for each one seperately and budgets for payment in each year's budget, then he can pay for them over the time period of their construction.

So you are saying build them over 15 years and take payments hm? which would leave two leviathon-capable dry docks

Doode.....

Your Small Print say it all......Damnnnnnnnnn...LOL

"GET A LIFE"...

lmao, verboten.. you actually read that? :lol: :lol:

OOC: I'm representing the CRDF here (Relic Region), this also includes funding from the countries ISAF, Former Kuban, Gobrins, etc. etc.

Ah, gotcha.. in that case Order Confirmed.. all three ships will be delivered in 5 NS years.

It looks great. Too bad its powered by a nuclear reactor. Would you be capable of building one that was not powered by a nuclear reactor?

And here is the small print of Doujin:
The material on this site may not be reproduced, distributed, transmitted or otherwise used, except with the prior written permission of Michael Sievers. All content Copyright 2003 Michael Sievers, except where otherwise noted. Never eat yellow snow or walk under a tree full of birds with your head back and your mouth open. When root, rm -rf / is a Bad Thing. Gifts of sex and money are graciously accepted. Please email the site admin for donation information. No matter where you go, there you are. In space no one can hear you scream. If you're happy and you know it, suck my bum. Small Print concept copyright 2002 American Trans Air and used with permission of Alice in Chicago. If you are reading this, you need to get a fucking life.

Very funny. You must have a lot of free time.

Transnapastain is very intersted in the purchase of one of these wonderful battleships, each fleet is outfited with a coustom battleship, and this seems like the perfect addition to any fleet

Thank you

money wired upon conformation

I was wondering if you had considered our order?

17.4 billion? thats insane its six times the size of an extreamly large batlleship that would cost on avergage 10 billion. and it would take years to build and only 2000 crew?

17.4 billion? thats insane its six times the size of an extreamly large batlleship that would cost on avergage 10 billion. and it would take years to build and only 2000 crew?

Computer assited firing and control systems, which i do believe this ship features, do cut down crew size Significantly

dosent justify cost, that would increase it greatly

dosent justify cost, that would increase it greatly

indeed, i cant argue cost for him though, since he made it up...im sure some of that price hike is part of the Comp Cntrl systems


normaly, people dont sell full grade comp cntrl on ships, like, i bought a Dominator Calss Battleship from Kaukolastan, and he downgraded the CC on it, so maybe a full rigged one WOULD cost that much?

i meen i should cost a lot more

oh...thats what beer + early morning will do to you......sorry

We'll take two for evaluation purposes. Half of the money will be wired upon confirmation of the order and half upon delivery.

You are right, Huzen ;) The Leviathon Class should cost between 20-30 billion for sale. It was like 1 am here and I was dead tired so :P

Wetland: If it wasn't powered by a nuclear reactor it wouldn't generate enough power to run the ship.. it's a very large ship, even though it is half the size of the Doujin.

Huzen Hagen: The Doujin only has a crew of 7,250. 5,800 of that being ship crew, 450 being officers, and 1,000 being military troops.

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I believe I shall purchase one of theses battleships. I am sending a CF-105 Arrow interceptor to deliver the money in the form of gold bars, personally.

Brandoniats, denied.

:!: :arrow: :!: :!:

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Would like to order 1 Leviathan-Class Battleship.Possible order for production rights when I am bigger.

Am gearing up for war with a country 5 times my size.Also need some help.I notice you put an ignore on Ilham.Thanx man.Can you persuade others not to sell stuff to that country?

That country has been picking on me,so I'm preparing to declare war on him in a month.After I get my population up a bit.Want to be allies?

You cannot afford one Leviathon Class.

What population must I have to get a Leviathan?

Saudir Gross Domestic Product

Population: 25,707,506
Civil Rights: Some
Economy: Strong
GDP per Capita: $12,152
GDP: $312,397,612,912
National Budget: $61,184,189,081

Percentage of GDP Spent on Defense: 2.94%
Percentage of Budget Spent on Defense: 15%
Military Budget: $9,177,628,362

Is there any thread where I can get info on how to calculate all this?Would appreciate it.

http://www.pipian.com/stuffforchat/gdpcalc.php?nation=Saudir&randomize=1&defenseprovided=1&defense=15&militarybudget=1

thank you.also,pls respond to your attitude on my proposed alliance.I am a pragmatic country.Right now,I need a big brother to help me out until I am strong enough.Right now,I'm doing a Taiwan-China thing with Ilham.I'm small but like a poison shrimp.

Transnapastain is very intersted in the purchase of one of these wonderful battleships, each fleet is outfited with a coustom battleship, and this seems like the perfect addition to any fleet

Thank you

money wired upon conformation

I was wondering if you had considered our order?

:arrow: :!: :arrow:

Gents...isn't the Battleship an obsolete weapons system? With that kind of money, you could buy enough submarines, carriers and so forth to make this contraption into a floating graveyard. :?

Sicrat is interested in purchasing one. Payments in installments of Half before and half after of course.

You can be it's an obsolete system all you want to.

BATTLESHIP = PRESENCE. BATTLESHIP = (almost) UNSINKABLE FIRING PLATFORM. BATTLESHIP = 24/7 ON-CALL DESTRUCTION. BATTLESHIP = AEROSTAT WATCHING/ SENSING EVERYTHING WHILE TETHERED TO THE BATTLESHIP. BATTLESHIP = NO MORE PROBLEM. All aircraft are transitory; they can't hold the ground or the sea. Troops hold the ground, gun warships hold the sea. Battleships are the ULTIMATE gun warships, and with a little imagination, can do things that people thought impossible.

Missiles? The Tomahawk Cruise missile costs over 1.2 million dollars to fire on somebody.. meanwhile a Battleship can do the same amount of damage for far less money.. and with new SABOT rounds and ScramJet rounds.. they can have the same range.. and even the same accuracy. Interesting, huh? You can believe that the Battleship is obsolete. I, however, will take control of the seas while you are buying all these Carriers that cost 5 times the ammount of an small Iowa Class battleship can do, and four times the amount of sailors. Wanna know the reason why Battleships aren't in service today? The truth is they don't generate huge peacetime profits like aircraft carriers. A carrier requires billions of dollars for new aircraft every few years, and expensive aircraft parts, constant aircraft upgrades, and replacements for crashes. Industry reps even have cabins onboard carriers and deploy overseas. There are dozens of aircraft lobbyists tossing millions of dollars into the pockets of Congressmen, but no "battleship" lobbyists. Ironically, the best known battleship advocate was a naval aviator, former Secretary of the Navy John Lehman. Aircraft carriers are more powerful and flexible than battleships, but they cost four times more to operate and can't fill the battleships fire support niche.

Umm... is that a yes?

Yes, Sicrat.

You make a very good point about battlecruisers Doujin, and I agree, but let me play devils advocate a bit. When was the last time a major naval battle was fought? Late WW2. There really is no use for a battleship in today's besides bombardment, and that can be done easier with a cruiser/destroyer bombardment group rather than a hulking battlecruiser or battleship.

Ok. Can you see an Aegis cruiser sitting a kilometer off a hostile shore(Aegis Cruisers and Destroyers have about a quarter inch of armor..),daring an enemy to fire at it? With two 5" guns and no armor plate? Four .51 caliber heavy machine guns would cause $100 million in damage in less than a minute, if you were LUCKY. If you weren't, those guns would detonate exposed Harpoon missiles and punch through the hull to detonate the warheads of the SM-2 or Tomahawk missiles. Then you have a real debacle for the Navy to explain. To prevent this, the small ships will stay too far out at sea to be harmed by machineguns. But rocket salvoes from cheap launchers would do the same thing, so the ships have to be over the horizon. And if they are over the horizon, there is no NAVAL PRESENCE.

Ok. Can you see an Aegis cruiser sitting a kilometer off a hostile shore(Aegis Cruisers and Destroyers have about a quarter inch of armor..),daring an enemy to fire at it? With two 5" guns and no armor plate? Four .51 caliber heavy machine guns would cause $100 million in damage in less than a minute, if you were LUCKY. If you weren't, those guns would detonate exposed Harpoon missiles and punch through the hull to detonate the warheads of the SM-2 or Tomahawk missiles. Then you have a real debacle for the Navy to explain. To prevent this, the small ships will stay too far out at sea to be harmed by machineguns. But rocket salvoes from cheap launchers would do the same thing, so the ships have to be over the horizon. And if they are over the horizon, there is no NAVAL PRESENCE.

Basically, what Doujin is *emotionally* saying, is that Battleships, and the Leviathan in particular, are much better protected against counterattacks, specifically with artillery. Over the horizon missiles, whilst accurate, are expensive and have little overall damage capability.

The Leviathan class is both protected and has longer ranged weapons capable of delivery vastly heavier explosive yields.

There is also the political advantages. The Leviathan is a vast, potent symbol of firepower and its mere prescense is enough to make most smaller countries back down. Against a carrier, more ground units would simply disperse and regroup immediately regroup after an attack, but with continous bombardment there can be no serious ground movements within range of the guns. This means few nations will be willing to argue with you if you can deploy one of these mofo's against them.

Only enemies with significant numbers of higher end guided missiles can even hope to match the Leviathan in combat. Those that only have Harpoon or Mk 48 torpedoes are going to find themselves struggling to even cause any damage to this warship.

Doujin, Sicrat is interested in purchashin stock in the company that creates these Leviathan battleships. Is that possible?

Doujin, Sicrat is interested in purchashing stock in the company that creates these Leviathan battleships. Is that possible?

Doujin, Sicrat is interested in purchashing stock in the company that creates these Leviathan battleships. Is that possible?

All the stock except 5 shares is owned by the CEO :P

:? I imagined so, but it was good to ask.

:!: :arrow: :!:

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I'm sorry, but you would only be able to afford one.

OOC: How do I find out what I could afford?

I'm assuming my ship has been completed by now?


The other half of my payment has been shipped.

http://www.pipian.com/stuffforchat/gdpcalc.php?nation=Sarzonia&randomize=1&defenseprovided=1&defense=10&militarybudget=1

Sarzonia Gross Domestic Product

Population: 31,865,284
Civil Rights: Excellent
Economy: Good
GDP per Capita: $9,715
GDP: $309,571,234,060
National Budget: $77,682,821,339

Percentage of GDP Spent on Defense: 2.51%
Percentage of Budget Spent on Defense: 10%
Military Budget: $7,768,282,134

Sicrat: Yes, done.

Hattia would be interested in purchasing 2 of these.

We would also like to inquire about production rights...

(Sorry if you said something about them before, I'm at school and haven't had the time to read all of the posts.)

Sarzonia Gross Domestic Product

Percentage of GDP Spent on Defense: 2.51%
Percentage of Budget Spent on Defense: 10%
Military Budget: $7,768,282,134

[OOC: Just yesterday, my military budget was over three percent of my GDP and the percentage of budget spent on Defense was 15. According to my national profile, my defense spending is at an all time HIGH.

Something is very wrong with the calculator. Perhaps THIS is why people discredit it.]

That isn't the reason people "discredit" it, and because defense spending is determined by you the user (which I put as 10 percent, which is the "average", I also tested out at the maximum "agreeable" percentages, which is 15). People discredit it because they think that income tax is the only way countrys make money, I swear. Pipian bases it's outcome off several differen't areas.. Civil Rights, for example. When the people are happy, they genuinly work harder and produce more, so a nation with higher Civil Rights should be making more money than a nation with lower Civil Rights.

Let's move to Taxation. Pipian doesn't really base it's decision off of Taxes, which is a good thing. And a lot of people tend to dispute that fact. My nation for example is ruled by a Corporation, so in my last "situation" someone argued that my government shouldn't exist because I have 0 income tax (or had, it's now at 4% :(:(:(). Since a Corporation basically runs the Nation, I would want little or none income tax - allowing the individual people to spend more money and buy our products.. which is how my nation would make it's money. Many people fail to realize the various socioeconomical policies that can take place in a persons nation.

On to the calculator. If you look at the link, it says "nation=Sarzonia&randomize=1&defenseprovided=1&defense=10&militarybudget=1"

Change the "defense=10" part to defense=15" and your military raises 5%.

http://www.pipian.com/stuffforchat/gdpcalc.php

Read that link.

Hattia: Your order for 2 has been confirmed, production rights are not available.

Oh well...

*Money wired*

OOC: Sorry, Hattia :\

The Commonwealth would like to purchase 2 Leviathon Class Battleships as our fleet flagships as well as 3 Thunder Child Class Battleships for a total of $89.4 Billion. Money wired on confirmation. Thank you.

Well, you can afford it so order confirmed.

Im afraid we are going to have to purchase another 2 Leviathon battleships at a minimum, so I would like to put my order in now.
The total is 59.4 billion. We will pay you 50% on confirmation and 50% after completion, as before.


We would also be interested if you were to suggest anything in the real of weapons in which are within the hundred million range that are excellent submarine killers. We will require them in the days ahead.