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Engineers from Raysia Aerospace and Raysia arms have been in discussions for several days, trying to come up with a new mehod of attack in the modern battlefield. Raysia needs a vehicle capable of heavy battleship-like attacks from the air. Currently, the teams are throwing out ideas of an RT-2207 jumbo NVTOL loaded up with about 300 tons of weapons, or an armored zeppelin with about 500 tons of weapons.

OOC: Any ideas?

http://www.bateshome.com/jordan/rsig1.jpg (http://www.bateshome.com/jordan/rmtdex.htm)

EDIT: Finished product:

Booyah:

http://www.bateshome.com/jordan/airbattleship.jpg

The Raysian Aerospace RT-3507 "Thundercloud"
Type: Dirigible Battleship
Chassis: RT-3207 Super Transport
Length: 290m
Lift: 2 Helium/Hot Air "Ballons" (5,900,000 lbs force upwards at 20,000 feet)
Hull: Balloons and Balonettes encased in 6" LiquidMetal with Aluminum reinforcements; Envelope is 1" thick ASTM Grade 5 Titanium.
Propulsion: 2 Raysian Electric PJ-1002 Golaith Pulse Detonation/Jet Hybrid Powerplants, rated at 700,000 lbf each.
Crew: 40 Operating, 22 C&C, 72 Gunners
Armament: 32 Reloading QAAM Launchers (12 missiles each)
12 Tomahawk Cruise Missiles
6 Flak Cannons,
52 50 Cal Guns, Wired
4 Dual 16" cannon turrets
Dry Weight (minus guns, including armor): 3,750,000 lbs
Full Weight: 5,500,000 lbs
Carrier Capacity: 2 Helicopters or 1 NVTOL may land on it's deck
Max travel speed: 600 km/h (360 mph, Mach 0.5)
Ceiling: 27,000 ft

Look any good? Is 1" thick ASTM Grade 5 titanium good enough for outer hull? Seems like it'd be strong enough for this purpose... it'd be able to deflect arms fire and a good deal of missile weapons, but it wouldn't take anything from a navy battleship.... wait, on second thought, they can't aim that high lol

Scellia suggests that if you want to delivery that much weaponry on target in a short period of time go with orbital bombardment. Yes, we are modern tech although less advanced then Raysia. If you like I would give our starship storfront link, it could put this amount of firpower anywhere it the world without the risk found in airships.

Gotta love those Zeppelins, although it would have to be long range weapons, in my opnion - those blimps might as well paint "Shoot Me" on the side otherwise...

Scellia suggests that if you want to delivery that much weaponry on target in a short period of time go with orbital bombardment. Yes, we are modern tech although less advanced then Raysia. If you like I would give our starship storfront link, it could put this amount of firpower anywhere it the world without the risk found in airships.Umm yeah, I'm <2020 tech level.... and my space program just sucks really. What would you suggest we fire from orbit? Nukes? hah, yeah right.

Gotta love those Zeppelins, although it would have to be long range weapons, in my opnion - those blimps might as well paint "Shoot Me" on the side otherwise...true... but I was thinking about adding around 2000 tons of armor to them...

Umm yeah, I'm <2020 tech level.... and my space program just sucks really. What would you suggest we fire from orbit? Nukes? hah, yeah right.

Or 500-lbs. JDAM's, take your pick. Each missile contains 1 of three things, nuclear warheads, JDAM's or Bomb-pumped X-ray laser anti-missile systems.

Gotta love those Zeppelins, although it would have to be long range weapons, in my opnion - those blimps might as well paint "Shoot Me" on the side otherwise...true... but I was thinking about adding around 2000 tons of armor to them...

Ahh well, in that case you have no problem.

If you wish any help in constructing this Super Zeppelin, Radivostok always appreciates these sorts of economic boosts to its national industries. We could construct some components in exchange for something, perhaps?

hmm we have a platform that may suit your needs http://www.ipages4u.com/pic/dsktop_420@hotmail.com_AE_1_mystery0296.jpg

Interesting, Raysia :p

Sure. But as most know, Raysia already has Super Zeppelins, we just need to come up with a way to armor them. With their current aluminum/liquidmetal armor, they weigh 500 tons, and can lift 2500 tons.... if we can make it weigh 2500 tons, and lift 500 tons (the weapons) then we could really have something there.

hmm we have a platform that may suit your needs http://www.ipages4u.com/pic/dsktop_420@hotmail.com_AE_1_mystery0296.jpgThat's nothing. Take a look at our storefront... we have planes that could carry that plane in its cargo hold :P

hmm we have a platform that may suit your needs http://www.ipages4u.com/pic/dsktop_420@hotmail.com_AE_1_mystery0296.jpgThat's nothing. Take a look at our storefront... we have planes that could carry that plane in its cargo hold :P

Link me

hmm we have a platform that may suit your needs http://www.ipages4u.com/pic/dsktop_420@hotmail.com_AE_1_mystery0296.jpgThat's nothing. Take a look at our storefront... we have planes that could carry that plane in its cargo hold :P

Link meCLICK:
http://www.bateshome.com/jordan/rsig1.jpg (http://www.bateshome.com/jordan/rmtdex.htm)

what about a large circular air craft which has many jet engines pointing downwards, thus providing a stable base for large cannon etc. Engines could then be turned, like the v-22, to move the airplane forwards. i am working on a sketch.

what about a large circular air craft which has many jet engines pointing downwards, thus providing a stable base for large cannon etc. Engines could then be turned, like the v-22, to move the airplane forwards. i am working on a sketch.nonono... that would be insane. it wouldn't even be able to carry its own fuel

Try titanium armour. I hear that you could pack on some serious armor with 2000 tons, then fit some wide calibre railguns, with tungsten shells, or carbon fibre ones designed to shatter on impact for maximum shrapnel. Of course, any ideas you choose to implement of ours are subject to copyright :P

OOC: Though, if we did help with development, the Federation woud appreciate a slight discount if they were to purchase any.

Let's see... around 120,000 square feet of surface to cover with armor... 2000 tons of armor... that makes it about 30-40 lbs of armor per square foot... I guess that could work... but would it hold up to cannon fire?

Booyah:

http://www.bateshome.com/jordan/airbattleship.jpg

The Raysian Aerospace RT-3507 "Thundercloud"
Type: Dirigible Battleship
Chassis: RT-3207 Super Transport
Length: 290m
Lift: 2 Helium/Hot Air "Ballons" (5,900,000 lbs force upwards at 20,000 feet)
Hull: Balloons and Balonettes encased in 6" LiquidMetal with Aluminum reinforcements; Envelope is 1" thick ASTM Grade 5 Titanium.
Propulsion: 2 Raysian Electric PJ-1002 Golaith Pulse Detonation/Jet Hybrid Powerplants, rated at 700,000 lbf each.
Crew: 40 Operating, 22 C&C, 72 Gunners
Armament: 32 Reloading QAAM Launchers (12 missiles each)
12 Tomahawk Cruise Missiles
6 Flak Cannons,
52 50 Cal Guns, Wired
4 Dual 16" cannon turrets
Dry Weight (minus guns, including armor): 3,750,000 lbs
Full Weight: 5,500,000 lbs
Carrier Capacity: 2 Helicopters or 1 NVTOL may land on it's deck
Max travel speed: 600 km/h (360 mph, Mach 0.5)
Ceiling: 27,000 ft

Look any good? Is 1" thick ASTM Grade 5 titanium good enough for outer hull? Seems like it'd be strong enough for this purpose... it'd be able to deflect arms fire and a good deal of missile weapons, but it wouldn't take anything from a navy battleship.... wait, on second thought, they can't aim that high lol

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Looks nice, but I dunno about the 16" guns. Is it for taking out heavy armored targets, or just killing everything standing in a specific area?

Looks nice, but I dunno about the 16" guns. Is it for taking out heavy armored targets, or just killing everything standing in a specific area?yes. Depends on shells loaded

what about a large circular air craft which has many jet engines pointing downwards, thus providing a stable base for large cannon etc. Engines could then be turned, like the v-22, to move the airplane forwards. i am working on a sketch.nonono... that would be insane. it wouldn't even be able to carry its own fuel

pfffft :(

Ehh, too heavily armed, firing the 16' guns might throw it...

Zepplins are just a target for integrated defense systems, one could never get over a national SAM system that is covered by passive radar.

Ehh, too heavily armed, firing the 16' guns might throw it...

Zepplins are just a target for integrated defense systems, one could never get over a national SAM system that is covered by passive radar.That's what the heavy armor is for... just in case some SAM manages to get past all the defenses

Well, while the prices for a foot of titanium would throw you for a loop, the missiles would most likely go for the engines, if heat-seaking... Almost like star wars where they had to fire the missiles in the hole, lol!

Also, if they got detected by radar, Cruise missiles could always attack, or anti-ship missiles(that thing wouldnt survive an exocet hit for example).

Well, while the prices for a foot of titanium would throw you for a loop, the missiles would most likely go for the engines, if heat-seaking... Almost like star wars where they had to fire the missiles in the hole, lol!

Also, if they got detected by radar, Cruise missiles could always attack, or anti-ship missiles(that thing wouldnt survive an exocet hit for example).Yeah, thus the serious air cover... this thing doesn't go into battle without heavy escort.

As for price, yeah it's up in the billions.

(I forgot to quote a price on the website! durrr! fixing!)

Ahh, well, the billions then...

It seems like this thing is more of a target than anything tho... I would remove the cruise missiles and add 5 inch guns, like 3 for each Cruise missile... Much better for taking out a city or whatnot, really.

Ahh, well, the billions then...

It seems like this thing is more of a target than anything tho... I would remove the cruise missiles and add 5 inch guns, like 3 for each Cruise missile... Much better for taking out a city or whatnot, really.Raysia Speaking: The thing needs long-range weapons... cruise missiles do the job fine.

But why would you use this billion dollar thing, just to launch long range missiles at a closer range? you can launch them from ships, your homeland, or from individual planes. You cant get short range guns that close without close artillery or tanks tho.

But why would you use this billion dollar thing, just to launch long range missiles at a closer range? you can launch them from ships, your homeland, or from individual planes. You cant get short range guns that close without close artillery or tanks tho.These ARE our ships. We don't do anything slow... we're impatient, and we have a lot of money to spend. If we want to invade someone, we can do it in less than 2 days. We're not going to wait a week or two for some navy ship to crawl its way to the other side of the planet.

Besides all that, we wouldn't send these things into anything and everything, obviously some fights would win this over too easily, but against places with less defenses, such as cities, this ship would be more useful.

But my point is, why do you need long range weapons on it? Cant you just launch those from your homeland? you cant launch shell weapons from your nation to theirs.

But my point is, why do you need long range weapons on it? Cant you just launch those from your homeland? you cant launch shell weapons from your nation to theirs.ICBMs are deflectable by most national missile defense systems... cruise missiles fly low and hug terrain, and thus are naturally harder to shoot down.

actually lol you can. But thats not a point. yeah considering space based rail guns and particle beams and kinetic kill weapons have been feasible since the 60's, it shouldnt be hard to imagine a 2020 nation that hasnt signed a million treaties barring space based weapons to have them....unless they are really low tech of course lol.

actually lol you can. But thats not a point. yeah considering space based rail guns and particle beams and kinetic kill weapons have been feasible since the 60's, it shouldnt be hard to imagine a 2020 nation that hasnt signed a million treaties barring space based weapons to have them....unless they are really low tech of course lol.what are you babbling about? When did space based weapons get involved in this conversation?

The ROCAF uses B-720 Giant Jumbo jets as cruise missile platforms capable of delivering 300-400 cruise missiles (supersonic and stealth) within a few minutes. Costs are much lower than for most military hardware because the B-720 is based on a civilian airliner platform.

The ROCAF uses B-720 Giant Jumbo jets as cruise missile platforms capable of delivering 300-400 cruise missiles (supersonic and stealth) within a few minutes. Costs are much lower than for most military hardware because the B-720 is based on a civilian airliner platform.This is not meant to be some massive cruise missile platform, jsut to have SOME ability to launch a long-range attack if needed.

Hull: Balloons and Balonettes encased in 6" LiquidMetal with Aluminum reinforcements; Envelope is 1" thick ASTM Grade 5 Titanium.


Are you sure you want to use aluminium? It's quite flammable.

Hull: Balloons and Balonettes encased in 6" LiquidMetal with Aluminum reinforcements; Envelope is 1" thick ASTM Grade 5 Titanium.


Are you sure you want to use aluminium? It's quite flammable.But helium isn't..

I use aluminum because it is lightweight