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The world should unite against communist countries,Communism has no point in the world it is bad for the economy and the world would be better off with out it, Mongus army will be takin out any communist countries who do not wish to chage their government the world needs to unite against them so whos joinin mongus in the struggle against communism??

Capitalism lets people starve and die because they are unable to get a job. The people should unite to destroy capitalism - the most murderous system ever invented.

Although I do not care for Communism, I would like to point out that it is not a bad form of government. The orginal idea of Communism was not bad at all. It was in fact designed to be a perfect form of government in which everyone was equal, including the government. The reason Communism was given such a bad name is because of when the Bolsheviks took over Russia. Their idea of Comunism was very much warped from the original idea. They wanted the government to completely comtrol the people via corrupt officials, unequal pay, and military rule. This is not at all what Carl Marx who created the idea of communism (correct me if I'm wrong) had in kind. So before you go on a crusade against communism, please understand that not all Communism is as Russia had it, it is just how the government chooses to work with it. When put to use properly, a Communistic country can become very much free and perfectly equal financially.

Riokian Government

By the way...I couldn't help but notice your country is only one RL day old. What army to you expect to go on this crusade with? Or is this why you wanted to recruit bigger countries?

"High, stepped income tax, nationalised economy, people of Mongus, comrades, you are but a few democratic freedoms shy of communism yourselves!
"Perhaps you should take a chance- your pathetic economic situation could surely then hope to one day turn around and follow our own US$100trillion+ communist GDP."

-CPCS comrade G.Igo.

I believe that every leader in nation states has the right to their own economic system. We can not tell them what system to follow or it will blow up in our faces. Every war in the history of man was fought because one group did not like how the other group did things. So let?s forget about this and go back to governing or little nation befor a war starts and people get killed.

Hopefully when Communism and Capitalism dies off... which it eventually will... then maybe we won't have anymore suicide bombings, and terrorism altogether... and more!

BETTER DEAD THAN RED, like I always say.
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Should I mention Communism was created by Jews?... Nah, i'm sure you all know.

Yes it may be slightly oppressive but at least the rich arent thriving and the poor starving.........we should unite against dictatorships the worst form of government and then lesser threats

What's so bad about Jews?

You, sir, give bad name to us capitalists! (creator of this thread)

Should I mention Communism was created by Jews?... Nah, i'm sure you all know.

It was invented by the Pope, if you believe that nutball Jack Chick.

The Most Serene Republic of the Grassroots, although not long established, will send 10 000 men to assist in the campaign against Communism. We believe that Communism is a social evil that needs to be eradicated completely.

--Melinda Applebees, Minister for War and Foreign Affairs

The Greatly loved Emperor would like to ask what your definition of communism is.

The original concept from Karl Marx and the actual form of government instituted by Stalin are quite different. Marxism is, in fact, the best form of earthly government, but it cannot work. Stalin's way of communism, however, is wrong, and should not be allowed!

-Rhyno D, Emperor of the Holy Empire of Rhyno D


OOC: A lot of these posts belong in the General forum. It'd be nice if a mod could move it there...

:twisted: Who cares if comrade Marx was of jewish decent, in case you havent notice, World War II is over THE AXIS LOST! but if you want to ally with a Marxist/Communist/Socialist/Maoist Hating republican ally with Primeus :twisted:

Mongus and The Grassroots and you other noob nations who want to destroy communism. You better be careful. The last person who tried to start something with communist nation like me was invaded and split into four different zones.

Communism is not a bad thing. Obviously you know nothing about it. You are thinking probably of The Soviet Union and North Korea. Neither were communist governments. They were both dictatorships. Learn what communism really is.

By the way, about 35% to 55% of nations on NS are socialist/communist. So chances are if you were to get something going. They would all be crushed by nations like me. Remember I have nuclear weapons and you dont.

Thank you,


Premier DuFour

I am not getting involved ICly in this as my nation has followed the true socialist ways, and given each nation it's own views on things. Each man is different, each nation is different, I don't worry over this thing because every other week some n00b gets on and goes "I PWN U ALL 4 EVAH, COMMUNISM SUCKS, SHUT UP NAZI'S DIE!!!! PH34R!"

But, I will drop some historical knowledge on you all;

Way back around the turn of the century when Karl Marx and Engles wrote the Communist Manifesto, obviously thinges were different, the world hadn't fought twice, nuclear weapons weren't around. The only thing to worry about was how bad you and millions of others had it while a few elitists had it GREAT!

So, with that out of the way. Socialist/Communist ideals started as a humble way of saying, this isn't fair, we all should be equal. It stems from the time in europe when no one knew if they would be alive tomorrow or starve to death because the government cared nothing of them, much like modern day america(Which i live in, i don't wanna here this patriotic BS about America's the best either, we're only the best because we say so and anyone that says different gets killed). So, Marx wanted this to change, Socialism/Communism only works because the people want it, it is Democracy in its purist form, however many over look this, there is more say from the masses is Socialism/Communism than there is in all of America, Canada, Britian, and France combined.

So, around 1910 when the Russian revolution occured it was under the guidence of now infamous Comrade V. I. Lenin, leader of the bolsheviks. Lenin had it perfect, he had been a Marxist all his life, things were good too, the public had say, it was far from elitist. Yet as Lenin's health declined, Stalin came to the front. Stalin was not Lenin's pick to lead. Anyone that has followed this knows Leon Trotsky was suposed to be next inline and would have been a perfect pick for the position, probably better than Lenin was. Yet Stalin had Trotsky killed.

Thus that began a form of "Socialism/Communism" known as Stalinism, which is in a nut shell someone who claims to be Socialist yet is more facist than anything.

So, boys an girls in closing, China, Post-Lenin USSR, N. Korea, Vietnam, are all Stalinist, the purest Communist system in the world was Onieda, a small "cult" from Onieda, NY that ran from about 1898 to 1920, but they were more Christian-Communistic, they had religious values with a communist system and such. Yet i digress, what you hear and see today is far from socialism, unless you have read The Communist Manifesto and countless articals by Lenin, Trotsky, Marx, and Engles, like I, don't judge what you don't know.

Note: You may have noticed that I used both Socialism and Communism alternating or in an either/or format. It's because Socialism is more the establishment phase where you set up the government after revolution and this is where you get the public input, constitution, ect. Whereas Communism is the system in running order all the bugs worked out. Which in both parts could and should be summed up as Marxism or when in a group of people that understand and know the system, Sovietism

(Quite, quite. BG went through all of that in RP format- we had a brief Stalinist era, too, but because here it happened later the media was well established and the people accordingly better informed, unlike the isolated early C20th Russian masses- the people's militia were not here deceived by the Stalinists, and forcibly removed them from power. With two billion tried and tested revolutionaries in Beth Gellert the world is going to seriously struggle to destroy communism. Mm, hundred trillion dollar economy devoted to the protection of the revolution :) )

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Your daily dose of propagandar thanks to the RBA.

Capitalism isnt American Quasi, nor is Communism Stalinist. Laissez-faire capitalism in a thriving economy turns out a great nation with the poor dying. Leninist Communism can turn great if it doesnt become dictatorship, and the people are willing.

A lot of people are keen to say that communism is bound to be corrupted by human nature, and to site Stalinism as an example. But consider that Russia as a communist state was but a few years old in an age of primitive communication and information technology. What if a capitalist (as we understand the system quite generally, today) revolution had taken place under not entirely different conditions? Could it in its infancy have been corrupted by a figure so dominant and charasmatic as Stalin?

Why yes, it could! George Washington, slave-holder and corrupter of the revolution, step forward! One of the most evil men in recorded history! Indirectly responsible for more deaths than anyone else yet born, I should wager. Washington was widely hated in his own day be true colonial revolutionaries who saw that he had subverted the revolution for his own means, exactly as Stalin later did in Russia. Washington is to capitalism exaclty as Stalin is to communism, only Washington was born first and so capitalism is seen to have won out.

Stalin isn't so widely regarded as a hero, anymore, so Washington could be said to be still doing more damage, despire his more distant removal from the modern world.

(As it happens, that post could be credited either to my ooc self or to the usually more extreme (than I) comrade G.Igo of Beth Gellert)

OOC: Whoa, pretty good.
-COMMUNIST TAG, COMRADES-

Should I mention Communism was created by Jews?... Nah, i'm sure you all know.

Der Fuhrer...all I can say is I hope you can live with yourself...

Anyone who attacks a communist nation while i'm watching is gonna get themselves carpet-bombed.
(note: this is a TAG)

Blah, blah, blah. End communism because we know nothing about it and aren’t interested in learning anything about it. So we will start up some stupid rant that lasts for a few days at most before dying off. Same old etc.

The world should unite against communist countries,Communism has no point in the world it is bad for the economy and the world would be better off with out it, Mongus army will be takin out any communist countries who do not wish to chage their government the world needs to unite against them so whos joinin mongus in the struggle against communism??

*chuckles* okay mate, first of all, let's try and take this back down to earth. You have a population smaller than many nation's armies so frankly, your army couldn't force communist leaderships to change underwear, let alone regimes. Second of all, Albion's economy is none of your damned business.

To Der Fuherer, well predictable is ever, and quite incorrect although the matter is irrelevent. Communism predates Marxism by a good few centuries. My limited education leads me to believe that the first organised communists were the English diggers, not jews. This was your following statement after 'when capitalism dies off'-- I assume that you infer this from a possible delusion that so called 'national socialism' superceeded capitalism. It didn't, it can't, it won't. It is nothing but a movement of lumpenproletarian scum and the whining filth of the petty bourgeoise, who allow themselves to be led by the nose by sexual deviants and sadists. Its chief motivation seems to be the elevation of one the most mediocre lick spittles in all history into some sort of demi god.

But then, you knew that, right?

As we all know all systems will one day fall except imperialism, when all your republics and commie nations collapse. out of the dust a new empire will rise and of course it will be the british empire. Imperialism works, it has been tried and tested for thousands of years and the only thing that breaks it down is war.

So i say all bow down to my system of government

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Communism, however bad it was, cannot be defeated militarily. Communism can be defeated, only by welfare.

How about everybody shuts up, and you all become welfare states like me.

The nations on the world, unite !! There's nothing to lose, but chains named Capitalism !! Servin' the order of Red Star.

They want war against us (Communist Nations), they'll get it.... but is it a sure thing that they'll achieve victory over us ?! very doubtful :roll:

How about everybody shuts up, and you all become welfare states like me.

and how about get your ass outta here since you got nothing to do in here ?

Destroy capitalism! And the world will be ours to command, and conquer!

The world should unite against communist countries,Communism has no point in the world it is bad for the economy and the world would be better off with out it, Mongus army will be takin out any communist countries who do not wish to chage their government the world needs to unite against them so whos joinin mongus in the struggle against communism??


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Communism can work. It's just that people get greedy when in power so in terms of that it fails. Maybe if it were led by an unbiased selfless person (either that or a super computer) the world could be a better place for everyone :D

Above's right. Communism can work, not just only capitalism. If you think that there is the state which capitalism "work properly", then you can also imagine about the state which communism "work properly".

Human nature alone stops communism working, whoever said that the idea of communsim was made by Marx and Engels, at a time where the world hadn't fought twice, was totally right, although it can, and does work in some countries, it really isn't for this time unless you're totally dedicated to it. If human nature was as it was and many people didn't think that money and personal gain was the most important thing (a capitalist society) then most of the world would be communists. I'd hazard a guess that when we evolve as humans to the point where money isn't deemed as important as equality etc, the world will be communist. I'd like to see the thread starters definition of communism. Simply, I'd put it as: no personal gain, or private enterprise, and the means of production (factories etc - another reason why it isn't suited to todays world, most businesses today provide services, more so than goods anyway, there just aren't many factories around today) are owned by the state, not by any one person who can hire a labour work force, and exploit them to gain personal profit.

Enough talk! The Most Serene Republic of the Grassroots officially declares war on Communist Louisiana.

In which case, having been involved in campagins with CL before, British Communists asks Grassroots to stand down or we will enter the conflict against them.

The world should unite against communist countries,Communism has no point in the world it is bad for the economy and the world would be better off with out it, Mongus army will be takin out any communist countries who do not wish to chage their government the world needs to unite against them so whos joinin mongus in the struggle against communism??
You need to join the Right Wing region, man, we're with you :D

We will not stand down! Communism is a social evil that needs to be eradicated. The Most Serene Republic of The Grassroots is calling on all nations who love freedom and democracy to get involved to protect human rights and our way of life.

We, The Democratic Republic of Mongus, have declared war on Communist Louisiana!

We, The Democratic Republic of Mongus, have declared war on Communist Louisiana!

We, The Democratic Republic of Mongus, have declared war on Communist Louisiana!

Another one that knows nothing about communsim. We are not a social evil, we are working to make an equal society. While the fat-cat capitalists in your country are making millions, whats happening to the workers? Probably living in grinding poverty. You think thats fair? Just for personal gain?

We send 10 high explosive ICBMs to the Capital of Mongus, attacking their limited military buildings. Please post damage and casualties.

Communism is an atrocity that does nothing but destroy. It commits theft and murder because that is all government is capable of doing; and the more government moves, the more it destroys.


To answer the creator's post: As my region of "Capitalist Paradise" would seem to imply, Communists are scum.

We, The Democratic Republic of Mongus, have declared war on Communist Louisiana!
Then Albion Soviets joins Communist Louisanna, as was our promise at the opening of the International. Comrades of CL, despite past disagreements we are willing to fufil the commitments we made, if you are willing to have us as allies. We are deeply saddned that we will be fighting against nations that share the deep love of democracy that we do. It seems that such is the way of the world.

Good to see you join the fight. All communists join against the agressors!

After viewing the wanton invasion of Louisiana, the Peoples Republic of Momanguise declares war upon 'The "Democratic" Republic of Mongus', and issue's a warning that any other nations so inclined to initiate a war against cause will recieve the same action.

And just as a little note, lets look at the country's combating.

McCarthyites


Mongus: 7 million

And now......

Communists


British Communists: 232 million

Albion Soviets: 1.343 billion

Communist Louisiana: 469 million

Momanguise: 237 million


Quality not quanity eh?

How about everybody shuts up, and you all become welfare states like me.
Because:
1) Welfare states, far from alleviating poverty, merely catch people in a "poverty trap". This means that, unless the minimum wage is reasonable or the benefits are low, people find they earn less money by working than by simply doing nothing. In this way a welfare state can simply not work unless it also actively encourages work.
2) Welfare is, when it comes down to it, a means of keeping people not able to work or not willing to work in the most basic living conditions possible in order to conceal exploitation and massive inequality.

Also, Marx wasn't actually Jewish himself. His father gave up his faith to avoid discrimination while Marx was still young. Why exactly does that matter anyway?

*Military training academy, Manolo (the capital of The Grassroots), 09:00 local time.*

Sgt. Sophia Dessel, leader of the special force for training, says, "All right, troops, we have a war on our hands. We are at war with Communist Louisiana. Our mission today is simple: drop aid into the capital city of the Democratic Republic of Mongus."

The helicopter pilots load the aid onto the helicopters and fly off.

*Airspace over the military camp of Communist Louisiana, 06:45 local time*

Fighter pilots Olivia Misin and Jacques Tenier drop their first bombs.

Airbase Loki, Communist Louisiana, 06:50

Sgt.Dickens"Wake up Major, the capitalist freaks are attacking"

Mjr.Winers"Whoa, calm down, i was expecting this. What do we they in their hands?"

Sgt."they've got 15 Bombers attacking from the west, and 12 escort F-16's"

Mjr."What do we have in our hands?"

Sgt."35 Mig-31's"

Mjr."send them all in, show them what communism is all about."

*The planes take off, Mig-31 Alpha is the first one to get an airplane locked in

Sgt. Todorov"Comon baby(the plane), you can do this! Yes, yes lets go, about there.......YESS. in about 3 seconds, you will be heading down to hell dude, say bye(as soon as the word is said, the rocked is launched, and there enters USSR into its first battle against bloodthirsty Anti-communist nations)Long live communism!!! YEEHAAA!!!"

Objective Complete

Hopefully when Communism and Capitalism dies off... which it eventually will... then maybe we won't have anymore suicide bombings, and terrorism altogether... and more!

BETTER DEAD THAN RED, like I always say.
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Should I mention Communism was created by Jews?... Nah, i'm sure you all know.

Actually, Communism was first invented in ancient Greece by Plato. Marx merely refined the idea.

Xawadiland is sending two aircraft carriers, five transports, three AEGIS cruisers and seven battleships to the aid of Communist Louisiana. On board the ships are fifty T80 tanks, twenty Mig-31's, forty mi28 gunships and five thousand of the Xawadiland army's finest men. This is by far the largest force we have ever deployed anywhere, and for by far the best cause.

Communism is an atrocity that does nothing but destroy. It commits theft and murder because that is all government is capable of doing; and the more government moves, the more it destroys.


To answer the creator's post: As my region of "Capitalist Paradise" would seem to imply, Communists are scum.

Right...do you have any facts to back that up (and don't throw Stalin at us, it's pointless) or are you just dribbling madly at your PC?

With no reply from Mongus, we can only assume we knocked out their communications with our ICBM stike, or he is dead/fled. We have just launched another 10 ICBMs at military installations in the capital of grass roots. Please post damage and casualties

Ok, let's see. How does government do things? With money. How does government get money? From people. What if people refuse to give their money to government? Their lives are destroyed.

There ya go.

unified sith requests this stops. there is no need for such violence. unified sith is willing to mediate in this conflict to insure a peace that will be sufficient for all.

Ok, let's see. How does government do things? With money. How does government get money? From people. What if people refuse to give their money to government? Their lives are destroyed.

There ya go.
There is far too much emphasis on government in communism here. Capitalism always involves a government and cannot 'work' without one. A marxist government's ambition is to render itself obsolete from day one so it can be dissolved in a truly democratic society of equals. Marx only used the term 'communism' to describe the end stage of socialism in which there is no centralised government and the workers govern themselves.

To Unified Sith: with all due respect, mongus did declare war and attempt to destroy our democratic goverments.

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Ernesto Sanchez, Premier of Momanguise has issued a proclamation that he is occupying the northen provinces of Mongus.

Under Sanchez's orders, Momanguisian armed forces today began the occupation of the northen quarter of Mongus. Sporadic resistance has been encountered, but the RAFM (Revolutionary Armed Forces of Momanguise) have made good progress.

Light to medium tanks and paratroopers supported by the 'Cheetah' dive bombers have secured the third largest city in Mongus, and have set up a Peoples Council to govern the ocupied terratorys. Elections will be scheduled for the near future, something denied under the prvious regime.

There were about 5 000 people in the military bases hit. 1 000 of the people there have died, and another 2 500 people were injured.

Your claims for war on communism are just a waste of space. I have read dozens of posts claiming an international war on communism. Thankfully, nothing ever comes out of these useless claims and communism and socialism continue to thrive in NationStates. In addition, the claims that destroying cummunism will end suicide bombings and terrorism are absurd. Terrorism is a method used by both the left and the right. Terrorism, in addition is not always bad. For example, the Fench resistance in World War II used terrorist acts to cause chaos amongst the German armies. The points made about terrorism show that this call for war is written by people who are uneducated and ignorant. LONG LIVE THE LEFT!



Resistencia

You can destroy every communist nation here but the idea will live on only to once again appear in a new country.

the 10 ICBMs have taken the lives of 6,000 people in the Mongus capital city of Molgo. 1500 of them were in the military. As the final amount was being annouced the Mongus leader has dropped 13,000 troops just outside the border of British Communist country, as well has fire 20 cruise missles to military targets 10 heading to the border city the mongus army will be attacking and 10 to the capital.

The million troops stationed in our capital have been put on high alert, ready to be anywhere within the capital in about 30 miuntes. All over the country troops are mobilising and are being put on high alert. So far, 5 million troops are ready to defend their homeland. In response to the cruise missle attacks, which killed roughly 2,000 people, 100 B-52 heavy bombers have been constantly bombing your capital throughout the night. Its reported that 3 were shot down. Please post damage and casualties.

*Capital of British Communists, 21:45 local time:*

As everyone mourns Olivia and Jacque's deaths, two brave young people, in their fighter jets, begin the bombing of British Communists military targets.

i have raise a massive 20 million troops 3 million tanks and several thouasand artillery detachments and i am ready to end this war and claim victory for the communists my neighbouring country of wardor has made up half of this massive force but unfortunately the war effort pushed the country too far and it has collapsed and i have recieved pieces of the land. now to end this war. communism works i am communism myself and i declare war on any nations who are fighting our communist side


TOOOOOO WAR!!!!!!!

200 deaths in the all night bombing of Molgo, more of the army joins the 13,000 waiting to invade british communist, makin almost 115,000 invading the border city of____. Reports say the resistance put up a good fight and mongus troops may have control of the city, more troops will be on the way if the reports are true, to help defend the newly claimed area

Report: My army has encountered very little resistance from the locals in Mongus and the tweo armies that we have faced where massacred. i am closing in on the capital from the south. accept my war claims and give me 10,000 roubles or i will take your capital. my artillery hasnt been used yet and i am itching to use it. also in the treaty of old socks i am asing for your most south eastern provice. the fow province. please post reply to the treaty or expect to die!!!

i have recieved no message from Mungo so am preceding with the invasion of the caapital, I have estiamted that it will fall within 3 hours and once it has fallen then Mungo's country nad Mungo himself will be killed adn destroyed.

We refuse to let a tyranical rouge state such as Mongus threaten the stability of the world. To that end, we are declaring ourselves allied with all communist forces working to crush this plague.

We plead with the democratic nation of Grassroots to reconsider this war, but for Mongus there is no escape from justice.

I am deploying 2000 military advisors to the nation of Mongus along with over 10,000 OS-03 Rifles (the Oremina version of the AK-47). They are to arm and mobalize a people's army to overthrow the corrupt regime of Mongus.

As for Grassroots, we withhold action pending their response. We beg again, for the democratic people of Grassroots to come to some sort of peacible conclusion.

If communism is so "evil", then why is it the capitalists who are always declaring war? Surely it should be the other way round?

If communism is so "evil", then why is it the capitalists who are always declaring war? Surely it should be the other way round?

Lets see here, my nation is Iron Fist SOCIALIST, I have a population of 2.6 BILLION plus and a FRIGHTENING economy.

If you nations want to take down lefties, try me first. :twisted:

Alot of this is pure and simple Godmod.


To the nations of The Grassroots,Mongus. You must not understand something. Not only am I backed by most people here, but also by the all powerful THE INTERNATIONAL. This mutual protection act would also have me backed by the following:
1. Communist Louisiana *
2. Communist Mississippi *
3. Galette *
4. Kanabia*
5. El Comandante Che*
6. The Federation of The Zakarum-
7. The Peoples Republic of The Cubans *
8. The Colony of Caicos Islands-
9. United Socialist States of Prussian Saxony-
10. Albion Soviets *
11. Ubootistan *
12. Dakara *
13. Communist Rule *
14. Coolet*
15. Yshurak *
16. Hallad*
17. Letila-
18. Hattia*
19. Nodea Rudav*
20. Fedral Union*
21. Alpha Commune-
22. Violent Communists*
23. UnitedSovietRepublic-

You and your comrades have failed to post the hard naval fights you would have went through to reach my nation. No alone that all cities in CL besides Monroe are reachable by ship. I would love to see you try to take my capital of New Orleans. The Mississippi river would be your only way it for the fact that since January(RL) I have had a no fly zone over New Orleans so the first plane to be seen woudl be tooken out by the 17 plus migs and F-16's in the air at all times. I have 4 orbiting satillites(sp?) orbiting at all times so, i would see you comming days in advance.

by the way, I am going to ignore what all these noob godmods are saying for the fact that they are plain and simple retards. But, if they do not relize the streght and might and power of Communist Louisiana I will show them this as a threat.






Location: Somewhere in the middle of the Atlantic in International waters
Time: 4:27 p.m. (central standard)
Place: Aboard the Louisianaian Nuclear Class Submarine named Marx

Admiral Johnston:
We have a posibility of hostilities being directed toward our fatherland gentleman. Premier DuFour and the People's Congresshave issued us permission to "display" our capibilities. I want silo #7 ready in 3 min for launch.

(In silo #7aboard the Marx is a Submarine Launched Balistic Missile with a nuclear package.Its destination is 7 miles off the coast of Mongus)

Admiral Johnston:
Seaman Borque! Ready the launch procedure!

*Seaman Borque opens a safe in the control area of the sub. He pulls out 2 orange colored keys and hands one to Admiral Johnston*

Admiral Johnston:
Turn the key on 3 Borque

1

2

3

*In a flash the doors above silo #7 open and a SLBM propels at more than 100 mph towards the surface of the water. *

*As it breaks through to the surface of the Atlantic, rockets in the missiles body are activated automatcally and rase the missle high into the air.*
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*As the missile rises higher and higher into a small time orbit in space, the stages of its break away begin to take place*
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*As it fall to earth begins small rockets begin to fire occasionally to direct it to its target. As soon as it hits a certain alltitude, the rokcet breaks into three different individual nuclear warheads that propell towards the coast
of Mongus.
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*The following picture was observed and taken by a smaller spy submarine 79 miles from the zone of impacts.*
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*This following picture was taken by Satillite #3 belonging to CL*
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*Transmission Feed to Mongus*
I would like this to be proof of the all mighty Louisianaian armies. If you do nto stop and assist all actions, the next ones will be delivered in your most populated cities comrade. I bid you a good day.
Premier DuFour

*Transmission to Allies and Supporters*
Thank you, You have shown me support that the Louisianaians will never forget. We are in debt to you all. Again, thank you
Premier DuFour

anyone to say add anything to this whole problum?

Just a couple of poins to clear up hopefully they are of help and not too pedantic, any questions pleae telegram.
1) Lennin and his bolsheviks were at there core eliteist (a small force that claimed to represent the Russian peasentry even though is was doubtful as to wether the bolsheviks ever actually met a peasent), it was the mensheviks who Lennin opposed that were inclusivist. This illustrates that from the offset Russian communism was decidedly different from the Marxist doctrines it purported to uphold.
2) If anyone truly knows what human nature is then they have accomplished something that philosophers have been trying to do for thousands of years and have been failing. What is often stated as being human nature bears much closer resemblence to animalistic nature and a direct application of Darwinism to social order (ie; the survival of the economically fitist to whatever end). This application was suggested when Darwin first published 'Origin of Species' and was shelved as a genarally shitty and harmfull plan.
3) The reasons for the adulteration of Marxism in Russia are to numerous to list here but one hugely important factor was that Russia had not industrialised at the time of the revolution. It had no proliteriat (except for small numbers of workers in Petrograd and even fewer in Moscow), no proliteriat no communism. 90% of the Russian populous were agricultural peasents which Marx termed as petty bourgeois.
4) Chunks of Marx's theories were admittedly bunkam (Engles did not help matters, he wasn't all that bright) but carefull application of much of his basic principles does arguably present a system that out performs capitalism on many levels from human rights to the protection of individuality (Marxism does not promote equality as it's core aim it merely requires that each man reaps the benefits of his own labour value).

(cheers to Ben for his input)

Good debate (except the arbitrary and slightly silly troop and weapons deployment gubbins) hopw it continues, have fun.

Mongus would liek to extend talkso f peace between all nations, since we are greatly outnumbered, we feel we camn bring peace back to the world, although we will never gonna be happy with communism and will never be truly happy till it is defeated now is not the time for war,we will agree to these terms:

- Mongus will pay all war damages to every nation hurt by this conflict
- The nations of British Communism and Communist Louisiana at least give their nations votes on what they want for a govwernment, if they choose communism again we will not interfear
- we will also disarm our army and return all prisoners of war
- All land will be returned to any nation mongus has taken from

If anyone objects to these guideline or would like ot add one send me a telegram and we will work the rest out in here

*sigh*

I don't know why anyone is taking this seriously...

You aren't in the position to make terms. Your surrender is unconditional; hulking, communist war-machines are threatening to crush you! They'll most likely:

1.) Extensively charge you for all damages and losses of life.
2.) Disarm your military
3.) Keep you from rearming your military
4.) Occupy your nation to keep it under control

You'll be immensely lucky if they're nice enough to let you escape any of these requirements. Stop making war; not only is it bad for bussiness, kills thousands of people, but it brings bad name to the rest of the capitalist countries, nations and empires that have different views than your own.

First of all, people DID vote in the Communist Party of Louisiana. They vote every 6 years on delegates to represent their parish in The Peoples Congress.

The Coxian States, I agreee totally. You give up British Communists city or I will come in and mobilize. Its your choice. Matter-o-fact, If you do not stand down completely, I will crush you with the following units.

Red Airforce
105 C-5A/B Galaxy(cargo)
250 C-141 Starlifter(cargo)
150 naval MiG-29's
175 Land based MiG-29's
400 F-16 Fighting Falcon's
100 F-22 Raptor's(fighter jet)
100 F/A-18 Hornet's(fighter jet)
100 Tu-95 Citlalmina(Bombers)
300 B-52H Stratofortress(bomber)
100 B-2 Spirit(stealth bomber)
1000 Blazer Class Assualt Helicopter's
150 AH-64 Apache(fighter copter)
500 RAH-66 Comanche(fighter copter)
100 F-117A Nighthawk(stealth attacker)
100 A-10 Thunderbolt(tank killer/attacker plane)
100 EA-6B Prowler(attacker plane)
265 CH-47 Chinook(cargo copter)
100 KC-10A Extender(in flight tanker jet)
100 S-3B Viking(anti-submarine)
100 P-3 Orion(anti-submarine)
(Yes, that is just my airforce.)

Red Army
2300 M1A2 Abrams Tanks
1000 Self-Propelled Crusader Artillery
600 Battle tank Leopard 2
600 M3 Bradley
1000 M8 Armored Gun Tank
1000 AMX 30 tanks
1000 M6 Bradley Linebacker Tank
1000 TRIDON Air Defence Gun System (army truck)
1000 M109A6 Paladin Self Propelled Howitzer (tank)
2000 M198 Towed Howitzer(artillary)
2000 M270 MLRS Self-Propelled Loader/Launcher
5000 M3A3 Bradley Fighting Vehicle
300 STRYKER 8-WHEEL DRIVE ARMOURED COMBAT VEHICLES
10,000 Fast Attack Vehicle
1000 of The J1 Shiva Main Battle Tank
12 million EA-90 SAW version machine guns


Comrade Mongus, you are in NO position to talk. End your stupidity or I will destroy you completely. The nuclear weapon that destroyed your costal habitat and such for a VERY LONG time, can and WILL be launched at your cities. I have 10 more submarines like the Marx that are within striking range. Each submarine has 10 Submarine Launched Balistic Missiles(SLBM's)Unless if you want 99 more rockets in range to destroy your nation(remember each has 3 nuclear warheads so its somewhere around 297 more nuclear warheads killing your people, you will surrender. I am not even counting the ICBM's located in my nation PLUS the bombers that I can send to drop nuclear weapons.

I wont use nuclear weapons again unless if you try to act all great again. I will go in and destroy you with the People's Armies of Communist Louisiana and the The Red Airforce. And one more thing, your nation would fall to my vast strong navy.

i will withdraw my troops and give back all lands to british communist as long as you agree to peace terms with my nation, everyhting will be restored we will pay for all damage. you want to talk more send me a telegram

As one of the socialist communist nation, Tarris will surely help Louisiana in the war against capitalists.

The Tarris Red Army, backed by Tarris Air Force, now is entered the borderzone of Mongus and will join the other communist forces in order to destroy and separate Mongus, once and for all. For the glory of communism.

Tarris Air Force :
- 150 Mi-28A/N Havoc
- 100 Ka-52 Alligator
- 200 MiG-29
- 175 Su-37 Super Flanker
- 50 Tu-22M Backfire
I think those are enough to seize a little nation like Mongus and show them not to messing with communists.

Tarris Red Army :
- 200 T-90S
- 190 T-80
- 174 Tunguska M1
- 80 TOS-1 Buratino
- 45 BM-30 Smerch
- 36 MSTA-S

*Premier DuFour stands before the Peoples Congress begining his speech*
We have been declaired war on. Today we have showed the world both allies and enimes the strenght and might we pocess by warning Mongus with nuclear weapons. He is now acting like he has won and can not lose by making terms of his own. Today Louisiana answers Mongus's declaration by our own. Communist Louisiana now declairs fullblown war upon Mongus. We will show the world by taking this nation and setting an example. No longer will young capitalist nations or any nation tread upon the peoples rights. No longer will the proletariate be second to the CEO scum of Mongus. I am asking the People's Congress to back my decision and above all else the decision of the people.
*All 64 members of the People's Congress give the Premier a standing ovation that last for 7 minutes*


The following forces have been issued strick orders to begin the journey to Mongus:

3rd Red Fleet
7 Mercy Class Hospital Ship's
5 Landing Craft, Air Cushion (LCAC) Transport's
3 Nimitz Class Aircraft Carrier's (50 planes each)
300 Large, Medium-speed, Roll-on/Roll-off Ships (LMSR)
10 Tidal class Battleship's
3 Virginia - class CGN
2 Infusion Class Carriers
25 Mackensen Class Trimaran-Hull Battleships
30 Shotgun Class Cruise Missile Submarine's
2 Emory S. Land Class Submarine Tender's(Submarine Ship Fixer)
4 Blue Ridge Class Amphibious Command Ship's
10 Kilauea Class Ammunition Ship's
10 Kaiser Class Oiler Ship's
10 Arleigh Burke guided missile AEGIS Destroyer's
10 Iowa Class Battleship's

7th Fighting Aircore(aboard the carriers and other ships)
100 F-22 Raptor's
100 F/A-18 Hornet's
150 F-16 Fighting Falcon's
50 A-10 Thunderbolt
50 F-117A Nighthawk
57 AH-64 Apache
13 RAH-66 Comanche

Red Army Forces (aboard the LMSR's)
500 M1A2 Abrams Tanks
100 Self-Propelled Crusader Artillery
300 STRYKER 8-WHEEL DRIVE ARMOURED COMBAT VEHICLES
100 The J1 Shiva Main Battle Tank
95,000 Red Army Troops updated with the EA-90 SAW version machine guns(some of the best)

We wished not to go to war but, we will if the scum of Mongus do not stop demanding off the wall things. You must nto have read the post and only seen what you wanted to. People elected the Communist Party of my nation. My nations poltical freedoms are Average and my Economy has never fallen below average. I think you need to read the whole posts before you demand or say something. You are not in a position to demand things right now. Right now you should be kissing my peoples boots.

WTF Mongus, you're such a god-modder, you have a population of 7 million, mine is 232 million. You think you could take my capital and ask for ANY type of surrender? IF you truly do have 115,000 troops outside my capital (i doubt you do being such a small nation) then my 1 million would have totally dwarfed it, learn to RP then come back.

WTF Mongus, you're such a god-modder, you have a population of 7 million, mine is 232 million. You think you could take my capital and ask for ANY type of surrender? IF you truly do have 115,000 troops outside my capital (i doubt you do being such a small nation) then my 1 million would have totally dwarfed it, learn to RP then come back.

After going over it with my military advisors, we have all agreed punishment for Mongus if he doesn't agree to our new terms:

Whoever the leader is, goes into exile, or faces war crimes
They'll be elections after this, with a commuinst party running
Army limited to 10,000, this should be sufficient for defence
Reparations paid to any country you attacked in any way

We feel this is more than fair, remember you bought this on yourself, starting a war on a way of life when you have a population of 6 million was totally stupid. If less than all of these terms are met, we will:

Invade you with force you have never seen
Put the leader on war crimes trial, if guilty he'll be executed
Forcibly put a puppet communist government in, that answers british communists, muggles and animals and communist louisiana
Forcibly take reparations
Forcibly TOTALLY disband your army, you won't have ANYTHING

We'll give you time to think it over. I'm sure you know whats best for you and your country.

I think people need to accept the diversty of capitalism and comunism, and in working together the two systems might better each other.

COntinue the fight comrades!

COntinue the fight comrades!

I have made am at this very moment making peace terms with mongus and they are going well. However until they are signed my army of 10 million men and 2 million tankes and 1 million pieces of artillery will destroy his capital. We stopped for awhile as peace terms came in but as no armistice was asked for i am pushing on so i can destroy the capital and end Mongus's rule forever. Forward Comrades. All Power To The Soviets.

Communism is an ideal economic order in which property and the means of production are held in common in a classless society. For so long have nations misunderstood that concept and blindly called it evil.

Communism as a concept, is not morally wrong, yet you persecute us for 'evil'.

Communism never meant for war, yet you call us imperialists.

Communism never meant for insurrection, yet you call us rebels.

Communism never meant for terrorism, yet you call us terrorists.

There are those who still hold the true meaning of communism,
waging not wars, but protests, defending our single ideology. We are people of peace, diplomacy and pacifism, and we have mended our ways of war, trading tools of war for tools of construction. We show an example of communism that defies the stereotype, and example that we hope that others might follow.

Wake up, both of you who constantly seek conflict with each other, and realize that the world does not need another conflict of ideologies, but a union. One strong union between all ideologies, all races, all nations, regardless of anything. So that all may live in peace and harmony.

Premier Alexey Zvarinsky
United Communist States of Zvarinograd

so u think that we shud end the war when we are attacked for no reason other than our views. That we whud just lay down our weapons and allow them 2 walk all over us...well i for one will not allow communism to be destroyed so easily and i will fight to the death or at least till tea time.
All power to the Soviets!!!
Don't be beastly :D :( :) :o :lol: 8) :? :shock: :x :P :oops: :cry: :wink: :roll: :twisted: :evil: :!: :?: :idea: :arrow:

We did not mean for communism to be destroyed, but we mean why could we not resolve this with diplomacy and other, more humane and peaceful means. Why could we not try to tolerate each other? To stop this ceaseless chain of conflict that will claim more innocent lives in the years to come?

Premier Alexey Zvarinsky
United Communist States of Zvarinograd

Communism allows tolerance and peace, as a symbol of the main purpose of communism to make social welfare. How can we achieve welfare if we are attacked, or if we attack the others? You first must stop the warfare conflict, and the communist nations will follows.

Remember, communists are strong. Alone, we are weak. Together, we are powerful. 20 communist nations vs 1 capitalist nations = laughable.

I say we end this war, and ending it by getting the Mongus president on stage, and a high member of every nation that has declared war against this nation, to shoot one pullet at the same time, aiming for the Presidents head, in front of everyone, all superior socialists!

I will pull off war if he meets all the demands stated by British Communists. Plus my demand of a strip of land that is accessible by ocean. The land must be 25 sq. miles and no less. Unless if I am given the strip of land, I am going to take his whole empire.

He has telegrammed me, giving in to my demands. The leader will leave, the new government will be communist, the army will be limited, and reparations paid. However, he said nothing of giving land to you Communist Louisiana.

Mongus will become communist nation, but about C-Lousiana's demand on Mongus to giving him parts of his land.... so there'll be 2 resolutions :

1. Peace Agreement between Mongus and Communist Louisiana. Mongus' territory remains the same and not given to Communist Louisiana. Even sign military alliance, etc.... you name it.

2. 25 square miles of Mongus' territory given to Louisiana, otherwise, attacked by Louisiana. But, think about it, it's not a good thing by attacking and taken over the other communist brothers.

The United Socialist States of Trefoil will stand with its Red Comrades against the evil of Capitalism. The citizens of Trefoil are willing to fight to the bloody end.

I would like to point out that I was the first nation declaired war upon. I want this strip of land for a military base. I can move faster through this nation with troops then anyother envolved at this point. I am not gonna start war with my comrades. I would secure the 25 mile strip. If actions did not cease I would use that strip to launch military campaigns.

*The 3rd Fleet awaits just 1000 meters from Mongus*

The actions have ceased, and you do not have to state a military camp in the area. They have given us the control over their country, and you can set it up the way you like it.

Comrades, I know that you must all be incensed by this attack, and charged with the aura of victory. But bear this in mind: IF you impose a system upon the people/s of this nation, you're just as bad as they are. I bid you have some sort of referendum, or some way for the people to decide the rulers of their land. As for the territorial demands of CL, seems reasonable. Just my two cents.

'Course, should Mongus fail to comply with these peace terms, we can and will furnish you with further force. If you wish, we can send 12th Motor-Rifle Division* over. In addition, a Delta-IV class SSBN, escorted by an Akula-I improved, is currently waiting off the nearest coastal area to Mongus. She (the Delta) will not launch her missiles unless explicitly ordered, obviously.

*Approx strength of 12MRD: (somewhat depleted as this crisis emerged rather rapidly)

220 T-80U
150 BMP-2 (MechInf squads of 6 men per BMP-2)
1 squadron of 16 Mi-24V
2 Artillery batteries (1 towed 122mm battery, 1 2S19 152mm SP battery)
1 SA-11 battery
1 SA-13 battery
2 ZSU-30 batteries

Support from 16 Su-24 bombers also available. More reinforcements will necessitate general call-up.

I think it is clear from my econmy rating, that in the WORLD OF NS, communism can very much succed, and very well lead to a great econmy.

The Most Serene Republic of the Grassroots will officially open our country for refugees from citizens of The Democratic Republic of Mongus wishing to leave Communism.

Sincerely,

Melinda Applebees,
Minister for War and Foreign Affairs

Grassroots, I beg you to momentarily set aside your (evident) dislike of our system and join me in calling for a referendum/election in Mongus. The people must be allowed to decide what theyr nation's government will be. No nation has the intrinsic right to impose a system upon others; this applies (in terms of the ideology followed) even more to Marxist nations.

Again, I ask you let your anti-Marxist sentiments go by the board, so that we may make a victory for democracy in the wake of the defeat of aggression.

As Mongus waits for elections,thousands flee their homes for a new life in Grassroots, in fear that a communist take over is going to happen. Others take matters into their own hands, led by a Radical by the name of Toppa Diamond, people take to the streets and revolt against any new communist take over. Flipping Cars, burning government building, Toppa vowes to retake the country under his countrol and bring back a new formed government and build up and army to hold off communism in the land of Mongus.

We extend the hand of friendship to Mongus in the form of any aid necessary. We wish to stop this efflux of people, which will surely be ill for Mongus as a nation.

Tarris still won't withdraw their forces from Mongus, but change their role from "agressor" to be "peacekeeper". And even more soldiers transported to Mongus.

And as behalf of the president of Tarris, Foreign Minister warns Grassroots to be careful with their anti-communism acts. And Foreign Minister of Tarris also said that Grassroots just jealous with succeeded communist nations on this world. Also more anti-capitalist propaganda announced by Foreign Minister during his visit to Neo Zhonghua Empire. Last but not least, Foreign Minister also add that, "Join The Reds, For A Better Future."

On the land of Mongus, Tarris Red Army sometimes involved on gunfights against those anti-communist freedom phantoms. But well, they means nothing for our mighty Tarrisian Red Army. Lots of them killed, while the surrendered ones being held as Prisoners of War by Tarris. And if Communist Louisiana interested to interrogate them, we will surely transfer them from Tarris to Communist Louisiana for further acts by Communist Louisiana.

I think it is clear from my econmy rating, that in the WORLD OF NS, communism can very much succed, and very well lead to a great econmy.

You're not commumist. Corporate Police State means you have high economic freedom and low Civil and Polictal freedoms.

REAL Proof can be found in my nation. I'm Iron Fist Socialist, High Civil Rights, and Low Economic and Polictal Freedoms.

JUST STFU! God this is just a damn forum yet you lot all act like your real world leaders, besides this is the future anyway:

There will be a big MASSIVE war between the commies and the capitalists (who own j00) and when everyone is all screwed and blown up the British empire will be REBORN!!! :lol: Good idea unified sith!

P.S
On reading this thread again and alot of you "commies" have used slogans like "go soviets" and stuff like that despite the soviet empire being an imperial-dictatorship regardless of its commie clothing, just thought I'd point it out :wink:

the British empire will be REBORN!!! :lol: Good idea unified sith!
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OOC: britai is american lap-dog now :lol:

Rebels Continue to march to the Mongus Capital of Molgo, The have taken important buildings such as, Army Gun depots and even been able to take a few Tanks and artillary guns and have threatened to reek havoc on anyone who opposes, a recent statement from Lead Rebel Toppa Diamond:

"We will fight to keep freedom, we didnt just have people die just to give up to communism, we want elections to choose our governement, WE the people of Mongus, no some other power in another country to choose this, i think the UN needs to back us up on this, but if they dont so be it. We will be heading to the capital to take any government offical out who doesnt see it our way, we WILL elect our new government,"

The rebels seem to be pushing their way to the capital and may have control by the end of the day. Resistance has been pretty thin as most of the MOngus army is now following Toppa Diamond.

the British empire will be REBORN!!! :lol: Good idea unified sith!
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OOC: britai is american lap-dog now :lol:

As much as I hate to admit it, it IS true.......stupid Tony Blair and his arse licking of Bush BUT don't forget who spawned the US of A!

After sitting off the Coast for weeks, the Louisianaian Armies begin to move in onto the strip of coast. As the battleships begin a bombardment to make sure nothing is their, 12 A-10 Thunderbolts are launched from the carrier CLS Fontenot. They see nothing along the beach and after going 12 miles into land they continue to see nothing. They send the following message back to the 4 Blue Ridge Class Amphibious Command Ship's,"We see nothing, chances are they are in the cities and headed north to try to seek rufuge in another country."

The Blue Ridge Class Amphibious Command Ship's give the order to launch the massive military landing. 5 Landing Craft, Air Cushion (LCAC) Transport's begin running back and forth from the ships anchored off the coast. The Louisianaian 1st Mechanized Batilion and 3rd Monroe Red Army(sp?) landed on the beach. They were covered by air support from the 7th Helicopter Wing of Lake Charles.

Louisianaian 1st Mechanized Batilion, 3rd Monroe Red Army, and 7th Helicopter Wing of Lake Charles:

100 M1A2 Abrams Tanks
20 Self-Propelled Crusader Artillery
75 STRYKER 8-WHEEL DRIVE ARMOURED COMBAT VEHICLES
25 The J1 Shiva Main Battle Tank

10,000 Monroe Red Army Troops

57 AH-64 Apache
13 RAH-66 Comanche

http://www.ctf76.navy.mil/Photo_Archive/highres%5CCobra%20Gold%5CCALFEX%5C020528-N-0401E-008.jpg
http://www-mpl.ucsd.edu/obs/reports/abm/ch53.jpg
The amount continued to pour onto land until all avalible army units were on the land. In less than 24 hours all mobil units and 90% of infintry were holding the beach head.

Message to Communis Louisiana From Rebel leader Toppa Diamond(who is currently in ally land Coheedia):

"Dear Communist Louisiana Leader,

This is Toppa Diamond, leader of the rebel forces in Mongus. I would like to tell you that i have control ofthe country and are awaiting elections of a new leader, currently i am the "interim" leader as i hope i will be elected soon. I would like to ask you to remove your men from mongus, I as i hope to be elected leader, wish not to fight you, our war is in the past i am a new leader and have no wish to fight against anyone, even of communist government. I am sure we can come to an agreement as gentlemen, let us meet and talk. I would like nothing more than to make allies with you great nation, please stop this fruitless figthing in our nation and come chat with me in my Villa in the northern mountians of Mongus or to my gift home from the people of Coheedia (who we just signed a treaty of peace with). Thank you for your time i hope we can work this out."

I think it is clear from my econmy rating, that in the WORLD OF NS, communism can very much succed, and very well lead to a great econmy.

You're not commumist. Corporate Police State means you have high economic freedom and low Civil and Polictal freedoms.

REAL Proof can be found in my nation. I'm Iron Fist Socialist, High Civil Rights, and Low Economic and Polictal Freedoms.

This is true, but private enterprise is illegal, something I would say representing low civil rights.

SPECIAL ELECTION UPDATE:

The people of Mongus have voted for a new leader even with the presence of troops in their country. The winner by a landslide with 88% of the vote was Toppa Diamond, he is sooo be loved in this country. The people have rallied behind him and have elected him President of Mongus.

As all the armored divisions continued to move forward and take small villages, a transmission came from Mongus. The transmission was forwarded to the Amphibious Command Ship's now anchored in the Louisianaian controled bay.

After reading it and proving it is a valid letter,the commander and chief of actions in Mongus,Admiral Coby DuFour,spoke to his younger brother Premier DuFour. They both decided to continue with the actions being taken.

TRANSMISSION TO Toppa Diamond
We will continue our quest. We will take this costal bay area and 25 miles of surrounding land. We do give you luck with your elections.

Admiral Coby DuFour
Leader of Louisiana's Red Fleets


Soon afterward the completion of a makeshift runway was complete. The troops who were beging to run low on supplies were resupplied with food and other equipment including more mobile military hardware. The following groups of planes landed at the newly built Claiborne Airforce Base.

209th Heavy Cargo Wing:
25 C-5A/B Galaxy
50 C-141 Starlifter

On board the planes were:
50 M6 Bradley Linebacker Tank
25 AMX 30 tanks
Food and supplies to last another month and a half

We warn Communist Louisiana not to attempt to annexe further territory within Mongus. 12 MRD is now at full strength:

220 T-80U
324 BMP-2 w/ 6-man inf. squads
36 122mm SPG
18 152mm SPG
18 SA-11 launchers
18 ZSU-30 SPAAG
16 Mi-24V
4 SS-1C Scud SRBM launchers. (HE warheads now fitted. Nuclear (40Kt) available.)

There are in addition a pair of Kuznetsov-class Carriers now waiting offshore with their escorts.

Information on these vessels: http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/kuznetsov/

Two Oscar-II SSGNs have also been moved into the area. The Delta-IV SSBN previously patrolling offshore has been withdrawn; her escorting Akula-I submarine is now patrolling with the Oscar-IIs.

Any attempt to pursue further territorial gains other than those agreed within the Peace Accords will result in DPUO being forced to take action. This will be decided at the time of action being necessitated.

This not, repeat not, a threat. The Government of DPUO hopes and believes that CL will abide by the terms agreed in the Peace Accords. We are however alarmed by your deployment of forces heavy in armour and with sufficient supplies for approx. 40 days continued action.

We warn Communist Louisiana not to attempt to annexe further territory within Mongus. 12 MRD is now at full strength:

220 T-80U
324 BMP-2 w/ 6-man inf. squads
36 122mm SPG
18 152mm SPG
18 SA-11 launchers
18 ZSU-30 SPAAG
16 Mi-24V
4 SS-1C Scud SRBM launchers. (HE warheads now fitted. Nuclear (40Kt) available.)

There are in addition a pair of Kuznetsov-class Carriers now waiting offshore with their escorts.

Information on these vessels: http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/kuznetsov/

Two Oscar-II SSGNs have also been moved into the area. The Delta-IV SSBN previously patrolling offshore has been withdrawn; her escorting Akula-I submarine is now patrolling with the Oscar-IIs.

Any attempt to pursue further territorial gains other than those agreed within the Peace Accords will result in DPUO being forced to take action. This will be decided at the time of action being necessitated.

This not, repeat not, a threat. The Government of DPUO hopes and believes that CL will abide by the terms agreed in the Peace Accords. We are however alarmed by your deployment of forces heavy in armour and with sufficient supplies for approx. 40 days continued action.

Transmission To Dontpissusoff:
From Toppa Diamond

"We thank you for your support with help in this terrible situation, We would like to extend our deepest thanks to you and your people and the Boys you have sent to help us out. As the new President I would like to say that we would be honored to have you as allies to our nation. We feel our differences we have can be put aside, and we will have fight for our nation if need be, but we hope to avoid that at all costs. Thank you again"

When You think communism, you think of Lenninistic Russia. This was not communism. If Lennin had not gone out of order and messed up the Soviet Union would have had a strong economy and a strong people. IT was the Lazy people who killed communism. Just look at Lesser Libya it is a fine commusnist nation. Just because Marx and Engles' ideas flopped once does not mean it will happen again. If communism was so bad why did Kruschev, Breshnev and Gorbachev all keep it around when they all wanted a better economy. It would have worked if not for those who were lazy. Which a recent pole showed most anti-communists are.

For all you Socialists out there. Have fun. Hammer and Sickle forever.

Even though you are older than me DontPissUsOff, I notice that you have just started posting. That means it doesnt matter how much you spend, I have a larger military than you. Also by launching a nuclear weapon at me, you will involve nations that will crush very quickly. I have more nations backing me up then you so dont announce what I am and am not allowed to do. I have the International which right now consist of:

1. Communist Louisiana
2. Communist Mississippi
3. Galette
4. Kanabia
5. El Comandante Che
6. The Federation of The Zakarum
7. The Peoples Republic of The Cubans
8. The Colony of Caicos Islands
9. United Socialist States of Prussian Saxony
10. Albion Soviets
11. Ubootistan
12. Dakara
13. Communist Rule
14. Coolet
15. Yshurak
16. Hallad
17. Letila
18. Hattia
19. Nodea Rudav
20. Fedral Union
21. Alpha Commune
22. Violent Communists
23. UnitedSovietRepublic
24. Scaetland
25. Resistencia
All these nations are at least 2 months old and some are almost a year old. So dont try to scare me.

I am also apart of the ASDU which consist of nations that are one month older than you to a year old. It consist of:

1.The Communist People's Republic of Zapado
2.The Soviet Communist Republics of Malatose
3.The Democratic Proletariat Union of Aztec National League
4.The Republic of Tiborita
5.The Colony of Sigmis Central Control
6.The Republic of Dr_TwistEmbassy
7.The Commonwealth of Erectobia
8.The United Socialist States of Neo Shinoxia
9.The Republic of Hogsweat_embassy
10.The United Socialist States of Communist Louisiana
11.The Colony of The sigmis 2nd
12.The Holy Empire of Kukaku
13.The People's Republic of ASU Hattia
14.The Anarcho-syndicist commune of Lunatic Retard Robots

I have Lunatic Retard Robots naval units in my nation for a goodwill meeting. I have a delegate from Iuthia and Cartoria.

If you launched one single nuclear weapon at Communist Louisiana, all these nations would loose citizens. I warn you know that more than half would declair war on you and destroy you. The Federal Union has more that 1000 nuclear ICBM's alone. The International's headquarters are in New Orleans, Communist Louisiana. I have had a no fly zone over all major cities in place for almost a month now. Only certain flights get in. If an unidentified flight comes up they will be shot down. We have more than 100 fighters that patrol New Orleans alone each day. So take your empty threats elsewhere.

Also this strip is being used to build a foreign military base, not to use on attacks on Mongus but to use as launch areas from everything to military aircraft to our space rockets. It is considered a piece if Louisianaian territory now, and any attacks on it by anyother peoples besides Mongus(for obvious reasons) will be seen as an act of war and will be treated as an act of war.

Premier DuFour
Premier of the Communist Party of Commmunist Louisiana
New Orleans, Communist Louisiana

We will not stand down! Communism is a social evil that needs to be eradicated. The Most Serene Republic of The Grassroots is calling on all nations who love freedom and democracy to get involved to protect human rights and our way of life.

Communism is all about freedom and democracy and human equality/rights. Idiot.

Thank you my close comrade. I only want this 25 mile strop and that is it. I have no intensions to continue pass my wanted lands.

The USSCR, long in a Communistic utopian state of being, glances from its daily television shows to their newspapers indicating a war against Communsim. A collective groan is heard.

Official Statement from Premier Lobonsky:

Equality is something that has been strived for since humanity existed. Equal possessions, equal intelligence, equal strength and beauty.
My friends, equality has today been threatened. A nation who detests equality, a nation who exploits inequality, has threatened our very existance. And we shall stand together, as a whole. Equal yet individual. We shall be like a closed fist. With our collective strength, we can strike a fearsome blow. If one finger may be pointing from that first, it will be broken upon a blow. We must remain united. We shall overcome this trial as we have overcome all previous oppression. The time now is not to war. The time now is to pacify. Lay down your arms, open your hearts. Change their nations with words, not weapons.

-Premier Lobonsky steps down-

Yes, thousands starve everywhere under capitalist rule. But that doesn't campare to the millions who died in the Soviet Union and China alone. Lets see, 2 communist countries with a higher death rate due to starvation than all the Capitalist states of NATO combined. Not too mention Vietnam, Korea, Cambodia, Laos, and Cuba. (Cambodia and Laos were part of the Ho Chi Minh trail, so they were helping communism.)

A lot of people are keen to say that communism is bound to be corrupted by human nature, and to site Stalinism as an example. But consider that Russia as a communist state was but a few years old in an age of primitive communication and information technology. What if a capitalist (as we understand the system quite generally, today) revolution had taken place under not entirely different conditions? Could it in its infancy have been corrupted by a figure so dominant and charasmatic as Stalin?

Why yes, it could! George Washington, slave-holder and corrupter of the revolution, step forward! One of the most evil men in recorded history! Indirectly responsible for more deaths than anyone else yet born, I should wager. Washington was widely hated in his own day be true colonial revolutionaries who saw that he had subverted the revolution for his own means, exactly as Stalin later did in Russia. Washington is to capitalism exaclty as Stalin is to communism, only Washington was born first and so capitalism is seen to have won out.

Stalin isn't so widely regarded as a hero, anymore, so Washington could be said to be still doing more damage, despire his more distant removal from the modern world.

(As it happens, that post could be credited either to my ooc self or to the usually more extreme (than I) comrade G.Igo of Beth Gellert)



Your bit about Washington, I could almost agree with it considering Shay's rebellion. But even back then The 13 colonies were a democracy. The time period though was rife with ignorance that we take for granted today.

:D Proud to be

OOC: Just got around to paying attention to this thread.

We do not take kindly to any threats against our comrades. To threaten war because you believe your system is the only right way is worng and unethical. If you attempt to attack our comrades, we will retaliate, and I will try to bring the ASDU into the defense of our fellow comrades.

Although the ANL is Communist, our people have a good level of living and we do not suscribe to fasicism, as our commitment to civil and political rights is well known. We do not allow corporations to control the government or the people. Rather, the people are interpendant on each other and can rely on the fact that the government is not working for profit and the people can have all of their needs fufilled.

Thank you my close comrade. I only want this 25 mile strop and that is it. I have no intensions to continue pass my wanted lands.

That's all I wanted to make sure. And when the HELL did a nuke get launched? The only strategic nuclear platorm in the area was withdraw 12 hours ago.

OOC: The 40Kt nukes issued to 12 MRD's SSM battery are just a standard procedure, used by all Soviet units.

Thank you my close comrade. I only want this 25 mile strop and that is it. I have no intensions to continue pass my wanted lands.

That's all I wanted to make sure. And when the HELL did a nuke get launched? The only strategic nuclear platorm in the area was withdraw 12 hours ago.

OOC: The 40Kt nukes issued to 12 MRD's SSM battery are just a standard procedure, used by all Soviet units.

As units finally get to the 25 mile line and draw the lines of control. Civilian building units have arrived and tooken over the military construction units. They have began to look at the list of structures that are needed for a long term military base.

10 large aircraft hangers
6 runways
4 heli pads
27 military living complexes
4 drydocks
3 deep water capable docks
7 dock side cargo crains(able to move by rail)
3 rail cargo centers
1 locomotive works
2 command centers
1 P.O.W. camps
1 prison complex
2 fossil fuel ran Energy Plants
1 large rail yard
1 nuclear silo
50 SAM sites
More things will be added to the list as sees needed

The Grassroots would like to offer a the hand of friendship to Toppa Diamond. We will also be sending in 100,000 extra troops to remove the communists from Mongus.

The Republic of G Bugles wishes to contribute what it can to the struggle against Communism, the most immoral system known to man.

Message from Toppa Diamond,

We feel that Communist louisiana, has taken the 25 sq miles of land from us with out talks. We feel we need to ask them now to lower that land to 15 sq miles and we will call it a deal as long as no attacks agaisnt my people. We want a peaceful resolution ot this. i would like to give up no land, but i will compromise, i am convident that my people will stay anti-communist.

*Has returned from Wales, a land where the Microwave oven is hi-tech*

*Notes with interest the events of while has been away*

CL: My apologies for that rather dumb post. I realised about 5 seconds after I posted what I meant - then had to go to Wales for three days and didn't get back 'til today.

Grassroots: What makes you think that you've got much of a chance against a load of Big Red Things That Hurt People Like You (TM)? In any case, Mongus has indicated their wish to settle this in a peaceful manner. They can be as anti-Communist as they like - I certainly am not going to stand in their way - but that's no reason for you to move in and cause another lot of bloodshed, now, is it?

After recent actions tooken by allies of Mongus. Communist Louisiana is now moving more troops to hold the 25 mile base. Troops will still be held on the line to make sure their is no retaliation against Communist Louisiana. This strip is apart of Communist Louisiana. IF anyone attacks it, I will see it as an attack on Louisiana it self. Also b/c of recent developments, we are begining to station more troops at the base(Camp Claiborne) in southern Mongus. The following units are being brought in to the territory in Mongus.

6000 M1A2 Abrams
750,000 Red Troops
250 F-18 Hornets
2000 Self-Propelled Artillary

We will be sending more as time goes by and in the next few days.

Communist Louisiana, I see you moving in more and more troops to my/your land on the coast, i have a deal to make with you, I was recently attack by the evil country of Tarris, a terriost act if i do say so myself, i will let you have that land no more arguements from me, if you helop defeat those Tarris terrorists, i understand they as well maybe communist but I, i hope you can do for the good of the world. I hope our differences can be put aside and help make a world were communism and democracy can co-exsist. Help be one of the first to make thta dream come true. They man who was in command of making war with you is gone. It is just I,Toppa Diamond, looking to bring a peaceful end to all that is wrong, and my friend that wrong is Tarris!

Toppa Diamond

If you need proof of this attack then here is the offical statement
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=135567&start=20

We will talk with Tarris. We will not destroy him, but we will tell him he must back down for the fact that one of his attacks COULD go wrong and hurt Louisiana's strip.

The Most Serene Republic of the Grassroots will turn our 100, 000 troops to removing Tarris. For now, we will stand off of Communist Louisiana, but we will return, even if not on Mongus territory.

Grassroots. If you touch Tarris I will come after you and so will most of all the others who posted in here backing me. Tarris has stopped the actions. His troops are on the Louisiana Territory at Fort Claiborn in Southern Mongus. If you enter, you will have 1 million Louisiana troops on your 100,000 PLUS you will have about a million more comming towards your nation. I like having foreign military bases and unless if you want one in your nation, I would back down.

OOC: The Forty-two Fish is New Vladivostok's terrorist puppet. Not that any of you know this IC...

IC: On the border of Communist Louisiana...

"Alright men. We are about to embark on a grand crusade to finally eliminate the menace of Communist Louisiana. Soon, we'll kill some Reds. L'Ordre Revolutionaire des Quarante-Deux Poissons sera supreme! Vive la Revolution!"

As the back of the van quieted down, the van pulled up to the border checkpoint. Ivan Stepanovich Komanov looked the guard in the eye, then shot him at point blank range with a silenced pistol. His partner opened his mouth to scream, but he too fell silent. The guard's were bodies were taken into the van, and buried a few miles away. Another two perfectly nondescript vans followed through the same, now empty checkpoint. The Revolution had come to Communist Louisiana...

ooc: I'm no friend of Communism, and in my RPs have been quite stalwartly oppossed to the system, but this is becoming absurd.

Most of my anti-communist RPs have involved some form of communist guerrilla/terrorist group, usually not governments. Usually this meant getting involved in other countries civil wars, which gave me much RP experiance, which I used for my own civil war. The point of those operations was mostly to prevent imperialist communists from influencing other nation's internal polcies (Beth Gellert, wink wink nudge nudge). However, I did not seek to eliminate socialist or communist governments. After all, my best ally and goegraphic neighbor (and RL best friend) has a socialist government.

Really, there are first of all many people whose opinions we cannot change. They are simply too deeply rooted. We can have a quite spirited debate, such as those I sometimes have with my friend, but my friend will never change his views and I wont change mine, no matter what eachother says or does. Likewise, we cannot go into a country and say "all right no more communism." Look what happened to the US in Vietnam and Somalia, and right now in Iraq. Honestly, we can't just declare war on all communism.

Moreover, in the many commie v capie wars I've seen (and participated in) over the months, we simply had dozens of nations enter to godmod, stat wank, and argue about the merits of their respective systems. These OOC arguements get violent, and we loose sight of the real purpose of RP, telling a story. We're not here to compete with eachother. Otherwise Max Barry would have devised a system whereby war was a part of the game. We're RPing so we can tell a story about our country, and its place in the world, be it through trade, conflict, diplomatic negotiations, and international gatherings.

Though Bonstock has a government that opposses communism and will brutally fight against it, and reflects my own opinions on Communism, I cannot see any point in these posts where n00bs declare campaigns to end communism. I've had enough of them.

OCC: The Forty Two Fish, you need to read the complete post by me. If you did you would know their is NO check point into the Fort comming from Mongus. Their is a way in by air or sea. That is IT. Anyways, if I had one check point it wouldnt have been so easy to get past me. 2 guards, come on now. If I have:
6000 M1A2 Abrams
750,000 Red Troops
250 F-18 Hornets
2000 Self-Propelled Artillary

Come on now, would I have just 2 guarding a check point if I did have one. Learn how to RP noob.

No, I wasn't talking about at Mongus, I was talking about some obscure region bordered by some neutral country.

OCC: I am ignoring you b/c you use a pupet.

Allies, I am going out of town until Tuesday. I am ignoring all things pretaining to my nation.

Elesnar watches all these nations, hoping to support the winning side. And the winning side is always the communists.

When You think communism, you think of Lenninistic Russia. This was not communism.


It wasn't. Its Leninism which was practiced in the USSR, not Communism. It was Stalinism which was practiced in North Korea. Communism is like in China nowadays.

When You think communism, you think of Lenninistic Russia. This was not communism.


It wasn't. Its Leninism which was practiced in the USSR, not Communism. It was Stalinism which was practiced in North Korea. Communism is like in China nowadays.

:shock: China is Authoritarian Capitalist with a social safety net, few civil rights and a large army. And in its early days it was very similar to Stalinism in many ways.

Leninism in contrast, is socialism that starts in a relatively poor country (Russia, Cuba, Vietnam) and attempts to skip the capitalist stage of economic development.

But communism is the end result of a world socialist revolution.

Grassroots. If you touch Tarris I will come after you and so will most of all the others who posted in here backing me. Tarris has stopped the actions. His troops are on the Louisiana Territory at Fort Claiborn in Southern Mongus. If you enter, you will have 1 million Louisiana troops on your 100,000 PLUS you will have about a million more comming towards your nation. I like having foreign military bases and unless if you want one in your nation, I would back down.

Do you think I am scared of you? I am building up my military so I will not send any more troops in, but sooner or later, we will crush that freedom-opposing monstrosity known as Communism. I am calling on the international community to come to my aid. Oh, yes, one of my major industries is Uranium Mining. Although we do not have that capability yet, we could possibly produce a nuclear bomb sometime in the future. I am warning you, the Most Serene Republic of the Grassroots will not back down.

Ashlafor and Apocalypse board armored vehicles at first word. It was a long drive to get there, but easy enough to enter. All the fighting was going on inside the country of Mongus, so they just switched to civilian vehicles, and drove in the loosely guarded gates of the nation. Accompanying him were 100 well trained soldiers from La Onda itself. They knew they needed more support so they looked to the population of Mongus and propaganda. Many were staunchly opposed to them, but the managed to find 1000 dedicated soldiers for the cause. Now armed with 1100 men, and old AK 47's that were stolen from the hands of the dead, 1000 men marched stealthily to the 25 mile strip now owned by Communist Louisiana. The 100 well trained men marched with Apocalypse to the capital of Mongus. As they marched up, tension became high as they knew not of them, nor what cause they shall fight for.

Ashlafor addressed the general in charge of the base.

"I assure you, I fight for the cause of true freedom. ...Communism that is. We will defeat the capitalist aggressors. We need some support and supplies is all. Guerilla tactics can be enforced with some better weapons."

Meanwhile, Apocalypse started his propaganda, guarded by the 100 soldiers. He called for re elections, this time counting Communist Louisiana's sphere of influence, and his own sphere of influence in the capital. He announced that he himself would be running against Toppa Diamond, and the people would decide the outcome. Peace would most likely be achieved through communism, and capitalism would just bring more bloodshed.

Pledges were made to all communist parties for compensations for the war if Apocalypse was elected. He also promised the people of Mongus peace and order returned if he was elected.

To show is good will, Apocalypse chose the spot where the elections could be held, and posted his guards there. He stood well protected by guards ready to oversee the processions.

Now annoyed with Grassroot's resistance, he stepped outside to make a speech to the people.

"This Grassrots Republic. They want war at all costs. This war affects you, not them. It kills you, not them. It destroys your economy, not theirs. Scared I tell you they are. Scared that communism is the way, and the success. Capitalism and democracy has only brought you war and bloodshed from corrupt and tyrannical leaders. Let the workers unite and govern eachother. Not a rigged election "president". Capitalism always seems to be the one that starts the war. They were the ones that declared here, not us. This is just a testament to the superiority of communism in all aspects of life. Look at you, you are miserable now. Look at Communist Louisiana's citizens. They are happy as can be! They are not worried about invasion, because they trust their security. They are not lied to. Vote for me, and vote for peace and a return for order. Vote for me and vote to live like they do who stare at you across the border in pity. It is time to do something about it. Hail La Revolucion!"

With that he walked back into the 2 story office building that the elections were proposed to be held in. He walked with a confident and strong swager.

Why can't we just live in *PEACE

Why can't we all live in socialistic harmony? :(

Arise ye workers from your slumbers
Arise ye prisoners of want
For reason in revolt now thunders
And at last ends the age of cant.
Away with all your superstitions
Servile masses arise, arise
We'll change henceforth the old tradition
And spurn the dust to win the prize.

So comrades, come rally
And the last fight let us face
The Internationale unites the human race.
So comrades, come rally
And the last fight let us face
The Internationale unites the human race.

No more deluded by reaction
On tyrants only we'll make war
The soldiers too will take strike action
They'll break ranks and fight no more
And if those cannibals keep trying
To sacrifice us to their pride
They soon shall hear the bullets flying
We'll shoot the generals on our own side.

No saviour from on high delivers
No faith have we in prince or peer
Our own right hand the chains must shiver
Chains of hatred, greed and fear
E'er the thieves will out with their booty
And give to all a happier lot.
Each at the forge must do their duty
And we'll strike while the iron is hot.

Tarris will withdraw their military forces out from Mongus territory, but periodically. But can you all on Mongus government, promise and showed to the world.... there'll be peace and no more anti-communism propaganda on your country ? And if the condition on Mongus getting more better and peaceful, Tarrisian authority perhaps will be interested to establish foreign embassy on your capital city, and help to develop your country. But that if you're interested too, and you can show to all of us, there'll be no more anti-communism radical movements on your country.

So far, 65.000 soldiers and thousands of land and aerial warmachines withdrawed. The next wave of Tarrisian Red Army's withdrawal is next week.

And for Grassroots, you threatened all of us with your Uranium Industry and Nuclear weapons to fight against us, that's so-called as Freedom-oppressors ?! Now take a look at yourself, you blame us as Freedom Oppressors, but your threats ?! Even worse than us. We declare war without and will not using Nuclear weapons. But you, you call yourself as Anti Communism or Anti Freedom Oppressors, but you act and talk even worse than us. People of the world is more afraid of nuclear weapons and capitalists like you than communism. Both nuclear weapons and capitalism kills and make people suffers than our communism. And that's the bottomline, The Most Hypocritical Republic of Grassroots. :roll:

And for Grassroots, you threatened all of us with your Uranium Industry and Nuclear weapons to fight against us, that's so-called as Freedom-oppressors ?! Now take a look at yourself, you blame us as Freedom Oppressors, but your threats ?! Even worse than us. We declare war without and will not using Nuclear weapons. But you, you call yourself as Anti Communism or Anti Freedom Oppressors, but you act and talk even worse than us. People of the world is more afraid of nuclear weapons and capitalists like you than communism. Both nuclear weapons and capitalism kills and make people suffers than our communism. And that's the bottomline, The Most Hypocritical Republic of Grassroots. :roll:

True if fact Stalin was very scared and horrifyed that the USA used the Nuclear bomb so redily, even during the cold war the USA would have been more ready to use Nuclear weapons as a first strike the the stalinist/lennist Russia.

Not all capitalism is bad, but it appears this way when nations harness powerful capitalist economies to wage war on relatively peaceful socialist/communist governments. Using 'communism is a threat to freedom' scapegoat-ish propaganda, they assault communist countries not to liberate the "oppressed" people, mind you, but to liberate resources for more economic development. Quite disgusting really.

Grassroots, you are irritating me a lot. I may not be (as has been pointed out by CL) an old hand at this game, but I've still got what it takes to nail you. Right now a Delta-IV SSBN is cruising in friendly waters. Her missiles have a range of some 5,000+ Km, and carry the equivalent of 400,000 tonnes of TNT in their thermonuclear warheads. There are sixteen of these missiles aboud the submarine. DO NOT threaten the use of nuclear weaponry towards ANY Communist nation, or I will be the first to ensure the destruction of your population centres, industrial base, and military. And you will foot the bill.

:o
over the years only the mighty Hitler has defeated communism and that man has made the world a better place.

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over the years only the mighty Hitler has defeated communism and that man has made the world a better place.

I think you've missunderstood something. Hitler didn't defeat Communism. He made it stronger. He attack the Sovietunion and lost. Then Communism spread around the world.

Bring
Up
His
Post

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over the years only the mighty Hitler has defeated communism and that man has made the world a better place.

In case it escaped your notice, Operation Barbarossa was one of the worst bugger ups in military history. And Hitler basically signed his own death warrant by trying to pull it off.

When you anger Russia, it falls down on you like a ton of bricks.

When he attacked Russia and they pushed him back, the Russian bear rose from its slumber, marched westwards and didn't stop until they reached the Reichstag.

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over the years only the mighty Hitler has defeated communism and that man has made the world a better place.

In case it escaped your notice, Operation Barbarossa was one of the worst bugger ups in military history. And Hitler basically signed his own death warrant by trying to pull it off.

When you anger Russia, it falls down on you like a ton of bricks.

When he attacked Russia and they pushed him back, the Russian bear rose from its slumber, marched westwards and didn't stop until they reached the Reichstag.

He underestimated them big time, and so did the rest of the world. War was the thing that made the USSR strong, before that, Stalin was starting to lose his grip on power (His purges pissed off a lot of his formerly loyal people).

Grassroots, you are irritating me a lot. I may not be (as has been pointed out by CL) an old hand at this game, but I've still got what it takes to nail you. Right now a Delta-IV SSBN is cruising in friendly waters. Her missiles have a range of some 5,000+ Km, and carry the equivalent of 400,000 tonnes of TNT in their thermonuclear warheads. There are sixteen of these missiles aboud the submarine. DO NOT threaten the use of nuclear weaponry towards ANY Communist nation, or I will be the first to ensure the destruction of your population centres, industrial base, and military. And you will foot the bill.

Am I supposed to be scared?

Of course, I could just pull all my troops out and wait for your economy to collapse. . .

But that would be cowardly. I am staying in this fight.

Suit yourself. Can't say it's a good idea. Just don't go on the offensive; at least not until you're a credible threat.

THE COMMUNIST MANIFESTO by Karl Marx and Freidrich Engels


Prologue

A spectre is haunting Europe--the spectre of communism. All the powers of old Europe have entered into a holy alliance to exorcise this spectre: Pope and Czar, Metternich and Guizot, French Radicals and German police spies.

Where is the party in opposition that has not been decried as communistic by its opponents in power? Where the Opposition that has not hurled back the branding reproach of communism, against the more advanced opposition parties, as well as against its reactionary adversaries?

Two things result from this fact:

I. Communism is already acknowledged by all European powers to be itself a power.

II. It is high time that Communists should openly, in the face of the whole world, publish their views, their aims, their tendencies, and meet this nursery tale of the specter of communism with a manifesto of the party itself.


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Part I: Bourgeois And Proletarians

The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.

Freeman and slave, patrician and plebian, lord and serf, guildmaster and journeyman, in a word, oppressor and oppressed, stood in constant opposition to one another, carried on an uninterrupted, now hidden, now open fight, a fight that each time ended, either in a revolutionary reconstitution of society at large, or in the common ruin of the contending classes.

In the earlier epochs of history, we find almost everywhere a complicated arrangement of society into various orders, a manifold gradation of social rank. In ancient Rome we have patricians, knights, plebeians, slaves; in the Middle Ages, feudal lords, vassals, guild-masters, journeymen, apprentices, serfs; in almost all of these classes, again, subordinate gradations.

The modern bourgeois society that has sprouted from the ruins of feudal society, has not done away with class antagonisms. It has but established new classes, new conditions of oppression, new forms of struggle in place of the old ones.

Our epoch, the epoch of the bourgeoisie, possesses, however, this distinctive feature: It has simplified the class antagonisms. Society as a whole is more and more splitting up into two great hostile camps, into two great classes directly facing each other--bourgeoisie and proletariat.

Modern industry has established the world market, for which the discovery of America paved the way. This market has given an immense development to commerce, to navigation, to communication by land. This development has, in its turn, reacted on the extension of industry; and in proportion as industry, commerce, navigation, railways extended, in the same proportion the bourgeoisie developed, increased its capital, and pushed into the background every class handed down from the Middle Ages.

We see, therefore, how the modern bourgeoisie is itself the product of a long course of development, of a series of revolutions in the modes of production and of exchange.

Each step in the development of the bourgeoisie was accompanied by a corresponding political advance of that class. An oppressed class under the sway of the feudal nobility, it became an armed and self-governing association in the medieval commune; here independent urban republic (as in Italy and Germany), there taxable "third estate" of the monarchy (as in France); afterwards, in the period of manufacture proper, serving either the semi-feudal or the absolute monarchy as a counterpoise against the nobility, and, in fact, cornerstone of the great monarchies in general--the bourgeoisie has at last, since the establishment of modern industry and of the world market conquered for itself, in the modern representative state, exclusive political sway. The executive of the modern state is but a committee for managing the common affairs of the whole bourgeoisie.

The bourgeoisie has played a most revolutionary role in history.

The bourgeoisie, wherever it has got the upper hand, has put an end to all feudal, patriarchal, idyllic relations. It has pitilessly torn asunder the motley feudal ties that bound man to his "natural superiors," and has left no other bond between man and man than naked self-interest, than callous "cash payment." It has drowned the most heavenly ecstasies of religious fervor, of chivalrous enthusiasm, of philistine sentimentalism, in the icy water of egotistical calculation. It has resolved personal worth into exchange value, and in place of the numberless indefeasible chartered freedoms, has set up that single, unconscionable freedom--Free Trade. In one word, for exploitation, veiled by religious and political illusions, it has substituted naked, shameless, direct, brutal exploitation.


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Part II: Proletarians and Communists

What else does the history of ideas prove, than that intellectual production changes its character in proportion as material production is changed? The ruling ideas of each age have ever been the ideas of its ruling class.

When people speak of ideas that revolutionize society, they do but express the fact that within the old society the elements of a new one have been created, and that the dissolution of the old ideas keeps even pace with the dissolution of the old conditions of existence.

When the ancient world was in its last throes, the ancient religions were overcome by Christianity. When Christian ideas succumbed in the eighteenth century to rationalist ideas, feudal society fought its death-battle with the then revolutionary bourgeoisie. The ideas of religious liberty and freedom of conscience, merely gave expression to the sway of free competition within the domain of knowledge.

"Undoubtedly," it will be said, "religion, moral, philosophical and juridical ideas have been modified in the course of historical development. But religion morality, philosophy, political science, and law, constantly survived this change."

"There are, besides, eternal truths, such as Freedom, Justice, etc., that are common to all states of society. But communism abolishes eternal truths, it abolishes all religion, and all morality, instead of constituting them on a new basis; it therefore acts in contradiction to all past historical experience."

What does this accusation reduce itself to? The history of all past society has consisted in the development of class antagonisms, antagonisms that assumed different forms at different epochs.

But whatever form they may have taken, one fact is common to all past ages, viz., the exploitation of one part of society by the other. No wonder, then, that the social consciousness of past ages, despite all the multiplicity and variety it displays, moves within certain common forms, or general ideas, which cannot completely vanish except with the total disappearance of class antagonisms.

The Communist revolution is the most radical rupture with traditional property relations; no wonder that its development involves the most radical rupture with traditional ideas.


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Part IV: Position of the Communists in Relation to the Various Existing Opposition Parties

In short, the Communists everywhere support every revolutionary movement against the existing social and political order of things.

In all these movements they bring to the front, as the leading question in each case, the property question, no matter what its degree of development at the time.

Finally, they labor everywhere for the union and agreement of the democratic parties of all countries.

The Communists disdain to conceal their views and aims. They openly declare that their ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions. Let the ruling classes tremble at a Communist revolution. The proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have a world to win.

WORKERS OF ALL COUNTRIES, UNITE!


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