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HHT1 "Chamberlain" Ultra Heavy Main Battle Tank/Howitzer

OOC: That looks like a tin can with an artillery cannon attached to it. :P

OCC: I assure you, it is not. More of a Coke Can :wink:. But it's not the picture but the stats.

I'm interested in 1000 tanks. Maybe there is a little reduction in price for your friends in Moozimoo? (nudge nudge, wink wink) :wink:

Looks like a turtle with a long metal rod sticking out of it's shell :P

Moozimoo- I tell ya what I'm gonna do...1000 tanks for $9 billion. Just keep in mind that you saved a billion dollars next time we talk :wink:

Raysia- Is that a bit of jealousy I detect :)

Looks like a turtle with a long metal rod sticking out of it's shell :P

Unfortunately, I am going to have to agree with you on this one. :x :twisted:

It may not look pretty but it will blast 280 mm size holes in things...that's not a small feat.

Done. You have our thanks, Hamptonshire.
(and we have some tanks *heeheehee*)

OOC: do we have an embassy?

OCC: Let's say we don't. So let's establish them now.

We wish to purchase 125 tanks for testing. If the tanks prove satisfactory we might purchase more.
1.25b USD will be wired upon confirmation of our order.

Pwnica- Order confirmed and money accepted. Have a good time testing your tanks and we hope to see you again.

Money wired. Thank you.

Too heavy and too high. That thing will be hard to transport and will stand out on the battlefield. Not something you want for a tank on the modern battlefield. And the Federation of Wetland has the policy of excluding DU from its weaponry.

this is msta-s russian artillery...

We would be interested in taking ten for test purposes.

*100 million wired*

unified sith would very much like 1000 of thses tanks for $9.5 billion

Unified Sith- Cost for 1000 tanks is $10 billion. Order will be shipped when $10 billion is transfered.

$10 billion has been transfered

Cousin Eddie- Order confirmed. *Money received*

Unified Sith- *Money received, order being sent*

Tal-Kerillion- Perhaps in the RL but not in...bizarro world.

Wetland- We are aware of this, that's what it's an Ultra Heavy MBT. We are incorporating certain developments in the future that will make this tank much more interesting. While we respect the Federation of Wetland's ban on DU, we do not have such a ban.

iam at this moment trying to sell my own little invention howewver i do not know how to get pictures up onto the reply page can anyone help me out. Oh by the way its an orbital nuclear missile satellites that i want to sell

If you have a picture that's hosted somewhere online, just do this:

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[img]www.(link).(whatever)/(anything else)/(picture name).(extension)[/img]
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Of course, without the Code.

well you just place here the url of the image and then you are good to go.

Yay! My thread has turned into a help page.

[OOC] lol, sorry :o

[IC] Tests have proved satisfactory. We wish to place an order of 1000 tanks. 10 billion USD will be wired upon confirmation of our order.

Your order has been confirmed.

*$10 billion received*

bloody hell that is one big tank. sorry to say mate but that would be minced against a chieftain mk3 or an m1a1 abrams mbt. that looks like it should be in late ww2.

It is certainly quite large. But I think it could hold its own against the Cheiftan or an M1A1. I used the armor of an M1A2 as the basis and then added some extra stopping power. This is a quite modern tank. This could hold its own in a fight.

its to big thats a massive tank it wouldnt be able to keep track of targets the turret would be to slow on the move. Change it to be some form of self propelled howitza that would be kool then but not a main battle tank

You've also got the problem of massive blind spots, lol.

The Dominion wishes to purchase ten examples of this tank for testing, and in order to gain better insight into the mechanics of mounting such a large weapon on a vehicle. Money will be wired on confirmation of the purchase.

(OOC: As much as I attempt to avoid the gratuitous use of emoticons... :shock: )

Kotterdam- $100,000,000 and the tanks are yours.

As for the rest of you here http://s4.invisionfree.com/The_Unforgiven_Board/index.php?showtopic=214 you will perhaps better understand some future directions of this weapon. Turret moving, may not be as fast as the M1A2, but you would be surprise how quickly these things can move.

As for the massive blind spots...as an Ultra Heavy MBT these tanks should not operate alone. Think of it like a Naval Task Force. You have recon units to search (like a Stryker or other such quick armored thing), then you have your jack-of-all trades M1's (speed and destructive power). Finally you have the Chamberlains as your battleships of the land. These things bring a whole new meaning to the terms One shot, One kill.

The reason the Chamberlain was created was to act as a very heavy tank and later, if I felt necessary, to present it also as a Heavy Self-Propelled Artillery Unit. The combination of the two is a very attractive possiblity.

OCC: If you wonder why I choose 280 mm, go here http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=132472&highlight=. Look at "The Magistrate". Oh, and sorry about the outside links. I'm too lazy to find the NS links.

Finally you have the Chamberlains as your battleships of the land.

Then perhaps it's worth noting that battleships are obsolete.

Besides, for a 280mm gun, you'd have a terrible rate of fire, and only be able to carry about 15 rounds. 85 tons and 45mph is very optimistic, too.

You do know I was using it as a simile. Arguments have been made that all tanks are as obsolete as battleships. Also, many many nations here buy and build battleships like no one's business.

And what would you consider a terrible rate of fire?

As for the speed, optimistic maybe, but quite possible.

Thank you for you criticism and your time Nimzonia.

OOC:
This is a bullshit tank.
http://www.skytamer.com/land/artillery/70565716.jpg
German 280mm gun from ww2. Add a turret and well...

Stick and stones may break my bones, but an 85 ton tank will kill me.

Hmm, not in the least impressive. And to prove our point we wish to arrange a tank simulation between our Heavy Tank (75tons) and your tank. Your choice as to the landscape, and number of units involved.

And what is your tank?

That tank is a little light for a 280mm cannon.

Some of our engineers have voiced similar concerns, but side effects have only happend in .2% of firings. We have learned that if the gun is fired while in forward movement the tank will generally stablize itself.

i am a dictator in a recently founded nation.i am interested in purchasing many of these tanks and might also be willing to do business in the future if the performance of these "tanks" is satisfactory. shall we say.....perhaps 50 of them? :twisted:

I meant that that tank is too light to carry an 11" gun. If it took a train to carry one, how in the hell are you putting one on an 85 ton chasis?

$500,000,000 for the 50 tanks. Because you are a new nation and your economy is small we'll do a payment plan. $100 million for the next 5 years (5 RL days). You will receive your full order by the time of your last payment.

Fluffywuffy- That pic was of a WWII era gun, this is a modern gun made with stronger and lighter metals and composite materials. Hence, modern technology makes it feasible.

DONE!

here is the first installment of

100,000,000 DB

An 11" gun is roughly 70% the size of a 15" gun. 16" guns are mounted on battleships and in concrete defensive positions. An 11" gun is also over 2x the size of a 5" (105mm) gun which was originaly mounted on the M1 tank (and it weighed at least 60 tons). The tank is not heavy enough.

Crotchrottery we welcome your payment, for the next 4 NS years the Central Bank of Hamptonshire will automatically handle the transactions. We will be sending 10 tanks a year until the deal is done.

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Looks more like a huge mobile howitzer to me.

Think of it as a howitzer/tank. It's the Swiss Army knife of large tanks.

even so.....the biggest mobile howitzer I know of is 200mm or so, and thats HUGE enough as it is. I can't imagine a MBT having a gun bigger than 155mm.

At one point it would be hard to imagine a 155 mm gun...

<I>Think of it as a howitzer/tank. It's the Swiss Army knife of large tanks.</i>

Thing about Swiss army knives, they've numerous things, but they're not best at any one certain thing.

Ah...but they can also fit in your pocket.

I was using the Swiss Army knife as a semi-humorous analogy, nothing more.

Business? Any items other than " Ye Olde Gargantuan Tin Can" ? C'mon I'm tryin to become a sort of despotic leader here

Try this http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=132472&highlight=

you are my hero

may your camel dryhump you into the next world

How about not.

My tank is the Artitsan Designed Grizzly Mk II Heavy tank.
It has a 135mm ETC gun, a Bayonet-L-G ATGM launcher, a RPO Launcher, 12.7mm MG, 40mm coax, and 2300mm of RHA armour using advanced armour techneques and 3rd Gen ERA. Oh, and it has a Cerberus active protection system, plus many other little goodies. This tank IS possible, it was quite well designed if I say so myself.

2300 mm of armor- That's over 7.5 feet thick. I'd like to see a picture of that.

It's the tanks armor rating-not how thick it is.

In physical form its about 200mm prolly more. So how 'boot it? We can do it right in this thread.

Barring unforeseen difficulties, it is acceptable.

But, why are you so keen to challenge, Artitsa?

I like to test my tanks to see if they need improvement.

Pick the location and numbers of units involved. Distance from each other, etc etc.

Location- Unpopulated flat plains (think of the steppes of Russia or the American Great Plains)

Numbers- 3 Heavy Tanks each, 1 light recon vehicle (unarmed)

Distance from each other- 25,000 m

We advise using the MILES 2000 system.

If you agree or want something different TG me.

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As part of our military modernization process we're looking to begin to buy more advanced armoured/artillery vechicles that is accurate and can place a devastating attack for offensive and defensive measures and support our ground forces in combat. We would like to purchase about...

125- HHT1 Artillery/Armoured Units keeping to our realistic budget and military prescence in light of recent attacks and conflicts around this region.

1.25 Billion Dollars (Dymecs)

Money is being wired from the Bank of Terra Pacifica.

Order confirmed and money accepted.

Also, since you are one of our very closest allies and a member of our region, we are doubling your order to 250 HHT1s at no extra cost.

Looks like a thin shelled world war 2 relic. Oh wait. It is.

No it is not.

OCC: If you are basing your faulty observation solely on the picture go here http://www.army-technology.com/projects/mstas/index.html. As you see, not any where near WWII.

Okay, so they designed it after a world war 2 relic. Looks an aweful lot like a German tank-buster.

Did you seriously sell Sephrioth nuclear weapons. That seems interesting, considering you aren't yourself old enough to own such weapons.

It's okay that you don't like it, but don't make assumptions about design or characteristics.


The Atom Question-
I've already gone through this with other nations, I've explained all of the specifics on all sides and everything came up rosey for me. Several very well respected nations not only purchased those weapons from me but also had no problems with their production.

well Im going to go ahead and start.

a UAV hovered above the battlefield designating targets over 25km away. The three Grizzly MkII's moved in faster until they closed to a range of 18km of the enemy tanks. From there, their barrels moved almost 80* up into the air. They began launching KE shots attached to a Scramjet shell. This would carry the shell over very long distances at very high speeds. The fire was resonably accurate but not believed to do any major damage. If any enemy tanks came within 12km of the Grizzly's they would each toss off two Bayonet-E-L ATGM's with 2300mm of penetration each.

A cheap one use UAV slowly roamed over the battle area showing the tanks were 18 km away.

The enemy tanks fired mulitple shells. Several missed their targets but two of the tanks were hit. One of the hit tanks was hit in the forward section- no major damage. The second tank was struck in the forward turret armor, the armor was not pierced but the grenade launchers were destroyed.

The group commander ordered the 3 Chamberlains to reverse at full speed (17km/h) to get 20 km from the Grizzlys. Reaching their target distance, the tanks stopped. They raised their barrels to maximum inclination mode, and fired a total of 3 W-3 shells. While the shells were in the air, the two flanking tanks fired smoke grenades and began to gain distance from their adversaries. The center tank took another 30 seconds, loaded a WT-2 Shell and fired that one off 15 km ahead. That tank then launched more smoke grenades and followed two previous tanks. Damage is expected to be heavy.

OCC: Look here for the W-3 and WT-2 shells: http://s4.invisionfree.com/The_Unforgiven_Board/index.php?showtopic=148

ooc: Perhaps you don't quite understand. At an 80* angle the round will be coming straight down on top armour. Using a Scramjet round the speed will be close to mach 7, coupled with a KE Penetrator, its going to go through your tank (looking at the armour) and about 3 feet into the ground. The rounds are being guided by laser designation by the UCAV. Can you tell me how you are targeting my tanks? At that range you must rely on some type of third party designation. IE UCAV, and if so, how is the UCAV guiding your shots. Once this is cleared up, I'll make me return post. Oh, and your rounds explain to me a few things:
1) Your firing a nuclear shell at me?
2) How does the Shell achieve that kind of range? The M1A2 Abrams has a range of like 4km.

How I'm targeting- the UAV.

UAV sends info to tanks, tanks fire. Shells fly on ballastic path. Shells explode.

As for armor question: The top of these tanks have the most armor. The sides of the turrets have the least at 1.1 feet. The top has a thickness of 3 feet.
The top armor is rated at 5,000 mm of armor grade steel.

As for your laser guidance systems, I'm surprised that you'd use something like that. Didn't you notice the smoke grenade launchers. They're TShU-1-7 Shtora-1 EOCMDAS units, not very good for laser-based systems.

Answer to Questions:

1) Yes.
2) The gun that I am using is a modified Magistrate. That gun has a range of over 20,000 m.

As for armor question: The top of these tanks have the most armor. The sides of the turrets have the least at 1.1 feet. The top has a thickness of 3 feet.
The top armor is rated at 5,000 mm of armor grade steel.

ooc: Care to explain how your tank moves then? It is what we like to say, IMPOSSIBLE to have 5,000mm of steal on the top of the tank and still have turret revolutions, unless the tank is the size of a house, which greatly undermines its practicallity as your about to see. Oh and as for my Laser business, simple solution: light up the target, target deploys Shtora, move laser off, Shtora clears after 15 seconds, shells still in flight, light the target back up, fin stabilizers adjust to rehit. And I would HIGHLY doubt you'd be able to deploy Shtora in that small amount of time. Anywho, onto your nuclear barrage:
Oh and one last thing. If I even make a dent in the side of the tank, it will destroy the weight distribution and the rough will effectivly crush the rest of the tank.

ic:
Having been designed to fight in a nuclear battleground, the tanks heavy weight kept them from being flipped, whilst the COIL system prevented systems from melting due to the heat. NBC systems worked to keep radiation out, while the EMP coating prevents any shockwave from doing further damage. The Superior Tungsten and heat absorbant metals (aluminum and the such) prevent the heat from doing any damage, and the CERMAT layers perfectly protected the crews.

Now for the return strike- All tanks now put the hammer down and closed, moving at 45mph across the flat terrain. Once within 12km they would begin cycling off their Bayonet ATGM's two at a time. The Autoloader within the tank popped in new missiles every 10 seconds. As the tanks close to 8km they can now place accurate gunfire hitting a target at over Mach 7. The gunners switch over to their Quad HEAT charges and fire off 16 rounds per minute. Any hole or damage created by a shot was exploited by the coaxial 40mm autogun.

And as they close further and further, RPO Thermobic missiles are launched from the left side launcher, hoping to set off any stores of ammunition or fuel.

ooc: Bayonets are Optically Guided with 2500mm of RHA penetration. You may have 5000mm of Steel on the side of the tank, but that doesn't mean you have 5000mm of RHA.
RPO's are basically like rocket propelled Napalm. Shouldn't do to much except maybe begin to melt the exterior of your armour and perhaps cook off some ammunition.
Here is the link:
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=122720&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
Its the bottom one.

HHT1 "Chamberlain" Ultra Heavy Main Battle Tank/Howitzer

After extensive loans, research, and technological development the Hamptonshire Defense Corporation has developed the X-HHT1 "Chamberlain" Heavy Main Battle Tank.

The tank is in the late stages of development and testing. The government of Hamptonshire has expressed interest in its deployment and is asking other nations for their input as well as for their potential interest.

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/mstas/images/mstas9.jpg

Crew: 4
Length: 20 feet (not including barrel) 46.5 feet including barrel
Height: 14.5 feet
Width: 13.4 feet
Weight: 85 tons
Max Speed: 45 mph on even terrain
Engine: two LV600-5 gas turbine engines, providing 2000 horsepower
Range: 400 miles
Armament: 1-280 mm smooth-bore gun; 3-12.7mm Machine Guns, 6-Smoke Grenade/ Standard Grenade Launchers
Range of Main Gun: 15,000 m with stablizers deployed in Howitzer mode
Armor: titanium encased steel encased depleted uranium armor


Care to explain? Listen do you want me to help you make a tank?

http://www.army.mil.pl/strona_en/kaleidoscope/equipment/artillery/2s7pion.jpg

^The 203 mm self-propelled gun-type 2S7 Pion was accepted into service in 1986. It serves for destruction of the command posts, means of fire, soldiers and the equipment in concentration areas and for destruction of fortified defensive works. The gun requires cartridges of separable loading with high explosive shell of 110 kg mass. The gun is of uncovered type assembled on the track-laying chassis. It is equipped with the ammunition feed system which permits automatic loading of the shell into the cartridge chamber at all angles of the barrel rise. At the rear of the gun, there is a space which lowered to the earth secures the stability of the gun while firing. The central part of the hull contains the transport compartment for the gun servicing personnel. The equipment and additional armament has been placed there as well. The gun mass is 46 tons, the length - 13.1 m; width 3.38 m; height - 3 m; top driving speed 58 km/h, driving range - 500 km/h, length of barrel - 11.24 m, angle of shelling in vertical plane - from 0° to 60°, in horizontal plane - 30°, maximal shell range - 37 500 m; muzzle velocity 960 m/sec.; rate of fire to 2 r. p.m., servicing personnel - 7 soldiers.

^That's about the biggest you're gonna get for self propelled artillery, and it has to stop to fire.