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Ramallah, WEST BANK (WAFA) - Today, His Excellency President Yasser Arafat has issued Presidential Decree #8, regarding the Jewish settlers who have illegally stolen our land and have become increasing militarized. In the decree, President Arafat ordered all "settlers, who have come to either the West Bank or Gaza Strip since 1948 to evacuate their houses and return to Israel within seventy two hours from this statement."

Militia from "Brigade Arafat" have been sent to assist the settlers in preparing to move back to Israel. Border crossings into Israel have been opened up and the highways have come under the protection of the Palestinian Army, to make sure that the moving settlers are not attacked by zealous men.


(OOC: Okay, now.. Since the other thread was hijacked by a retard we're starting over in this thread. HS87, you are not welcomed here. Do not post here. Alberio, you better have non-godmodding numbers for your military this time or you will be ignored for this conflict.)

*tag*

I am still sending the supplies and advisors that I listed before...

The Israelis are still ordering you out. I wont type it again due to forum lag.

The Israelis are still ordering you out. I wont type it again due to forum lag.

OOC: What do you mean, ordering me out? Out of Palestine?

I mean they are ordering you to stop sending them out. I dont know why the hell I put ordering you out.

The majority of the settlements are now empty, as the Israeli settlers move toward the border along the secured highways. There have been reports of fighting between settlers in some of the settlements, but they have been quickly pounced on by Palestinian militia and army soldiers.


Ministry of Foreign Affairs

An excerpt from a conference held by the Minister of Foreign Affairs:

"So, this is how the Israelis treat their own citizens. They leave them to starve and refuse to take back into their country." explains the Minister, "And they accused the Arab nations of not assisting us Palestinians during our drive for independence, yet they will not take back their own kind. Citizens of their own country, mind you."

TAG - I was interested in the last one until certain individuals ruined it.

We are disturbed by the actions of the Palestinian Authority. We are sending forces to help the settlers and the Israelis. Our ships are already in the Eastern Med and within missile range (note we are less than 1,500 miles from you). All our planes can reach you without refueling. Our C-17 globemasters are ferrying in troops and armored vehicles. We should have 10,000 infantry troops and almost 1,000 M1A2 Abrams main battle tanks in soon. Our large Navy and AF can strike you.

Of course, we are sending them to force you to back off. We don't want a shooting war, but if any settlers are killed, I will have to order an attack I don't with to order.

TAG

OCC: What are the number of Palestinian and settler deaths? What are the Palestinians armed with? How about settler armaments and number of them.

OOC: You do not have a large airforce or navy. You are less than three weeks old. And 1,000 M1A2 MBTs are a big stretch, since they are top-of-the-line tanks... 1,000 older tanks, yes.

OCC: I will adjust it to 500 M1A2 Abrams and 500 M1A1 tanks from the early 70s and 80s

OCC: I will adjust it to 500 M1A2 Abrams and 500 M1A1 tanks from the late 70s and early 80s

Now, Palestinian Authority, my foreign minister needs to sit down with you. Maybe we can sit down pull back our forces. Now Lets make an offer you can't refuse, (Luca Brasi has nothing to do with our nation and I just probably infringed on a copyright)

OCC: I hate this, the forum moves so slow and keeps timing out. I have a cable modem and it still is slow. *takes a baseball bat and beats computer*

IC: Now what is the answer on the talks. I like to add that our 1st group of Globemaster transports is about to arrive. Our Consigliere has ordered 5 Apache squadrons over to Israel. That is 60 AH-64D Longbows

OOC: I'm the PA, btw. I'm just going to post as AA, since I'm too lazy to login as it. ;P

IC:

The Palestinian Government will not change its position on this. They are not Palestinians, they do not own the land that they poaching on, and therefore, we are returning them back to their country of citizenship: Israel. If Israel is unwilling to accept them, that is not our problem. They will continue to be held at the border crossings until Israel allows them in.

OOC: Al Anbar's deployment in the Gaza Strip & West Bank. Second to last post:

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=75646&start=20

Palestinian Armed Forces:

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=133498&highlight=

On top of these forces, there will also be large numbers of paramilitary forces. Forces from different organizations, civilians who wish to defend their country, foreign Muslims who come to defend against any aggression on the Palestinians, etc.

Also, do not forget that Al Anbar is Lebanon, Syria, and Iraq. We are able to move forces in within an hour, if need be, and we have airbases here to provide for aircover for our forces. You are much smaller than me and will be crushed if you decide to go against me... Just a little reminder. :)

OCC: If you are going to act as PA, you must not use your full military, but the one you predeployed and the one of TPA. So please don't godmodd your stuff saying PA has all your units

IC: I urge you to back off. If innocents die the world community will make you pariahs. Your standing morale ground is that you were forced off your land. IF you do this you lose that and the bulk of your international support. i strongly urge you to reconsider.

General Hagen reports that the 1st group of planes has landed. 2,500 troops on the ground. We will order another infantry division in with 10,000 troops bringing our total to 20,000, but most are still en-route. We will send an older tank division with 30 year old M60s. A marine expeditionary force with 2,500 will be sent soon. They have some 100 M3 Bradleys

if Israel refuses to accept the Jewish settlers and the Palestinian Authority refuses to allow them to return to their homes until this problem is resolved, we would be willing to offer them temporary asylum until the two sides resolve where their more permanent home will be. Just take the former settlers to the most convenient airport and give us the rough size of their number.

We have some 20 B1-B lancers in the air. They can reach the area in about an hour. They will stay aloft for a while. They will not fire unless they witness a hostile act. If they see innocents killed, they will fire. While we understand the need for a Palestinians nation, we also must protect the civilians.

OCC: If you are going to act as PA, you must not use your full military, but the one you predeployed and the one of TPA. So please don't godmodd your stuff saying PA has all your units

OOC: Excuse me, but my units have been deployed in the PA since the PA was created here on NS. Secondly, the PA is a completely independent country, and its army is being trained and armed by me. Similar to the RL Syria-Lebanon situation. This is the way it is. Have a problem with it? You can leave. :)

My C-17 Globemaster IIIs can carry 350 each and can take them on the return trip to Sicily, but the Israeli's have to agree 1st.

We have some 20 B1-B lancers in the air. They can reach the area in about an hour. They will stay aloft for a while. They will not fire unless they witness a hostile act. If they see innocents killed, they will fire.

20 B1-Bs? 20 heavy bombers? What are you planning on firing on with those bombs, because that's a bit overkill reguardless of what military force is deployed. You dont need 20 heavy bombers unless you're going after civilians yourself. Turn some of those bombers back or your actions might be misinterpreted.

OCC: you misunderstood me Al-Anbar, you can use pre-deployed troops, but I am saying you can't use your whole army that is in Iraq.

OCC: you misunderstood me Al-Anbar, you can use pre-deployed troops, but I am saying you can't use your whole army that is in Iraq.

I am just keeping them there to hold back BOTH sides. They will fire at any army that is making offensive actions here. Hey, their presence will make anyone think twice.

OCC: you misunderstood me Al-Anbar, you can use pre-deployed troops, but I am saying you can't use your whole army that is in Iraq.

OOC:

1) I can use my entire army if I wish. The only problem is in deploying them to Palestine, but that is another question all together.

2) You know.. Unless you are intending to also kill the civilians, your B1 bombers are going to be useless. It's not like my men are a kilometer away. They are intermixed with the civilians.

3) Your are now heading into godmodding territory with your troops. Your 20 B1-B bombers cost $285 million each. $285 million x 20 = $5700000000. Your M1A1/M1A2 tanks cost approximately $4 million each. That's $4000000000. Then, plus your transports, troops, etc. etc. etc. You just can't support that.

http://www.pipian.com/stuffforchat/gdpcalc.php?nation=Sicily1990&randomize=1&defenseprovided=1&defense=25&militarybudget=1

4) Then there is another question of antiaircraft and my and PA's fighter aircraft. Do you wish to lose your aircraft? Anything that enters the West Bank or Gaza airspace will be shot down or atleast shot at.

OCC: This is becoming a good RP. I just want to warn you I may have a 30 minute absence to go in my hot tub. I love Spring Break.

OCC: I have the B-1 for 40 million. Check the Northropp Grumman storefront. his prices are dirt cheap. I am not godmodding. My military budget is 50% which = about 200billion a year. That is half the US military budget. That is a fair amount of troops and it is actually much higher than I deployed. I bought them over the years, not all this year. I am well within my military means. I have deployed a small number of my total military

When I said you couldn't use your whole army, I meant you couldn't immediately use it. if you deploy it you can use it all

The B-1s are loaded with some larger bombs to scare people, but will most likely launch smaller laser guided bombs which won't kill many civilians. Not all your troops are intermixed that would be impossible. Besides, the way I picture it is you have the people with 2 armys on either side.

IC: We condemn the use of human shields by either side. I want the troops to be at least 100 yards from the civilians. That goes for Israel to. Give them some damn room to breath. I would also like to have food shipments organized to the civilians. Any prevention of such would be a human rights abuse condemned by the UN.

OCC: I have the B-1 for 40 million. Check the Northropp Grumman storefront. his prices are dirt cheap. I am not godmodding. My military budget is 50% which = about 200billion a year. That is half the US military budget. That is a fair amount of troops and it is actually much higher than I deployed. I bought them over the years, not all this year. I am well within my military means. I have deployed a small number of my total military

When I said you couldn't use your whole army, I meant you couldn't immediately use it. if you deploy it you can use it all

The B-1s are loaded with some larger bombs to scare people, but will most likely launch smaller laser guided bombs which won't kill many civilians. Not all your troops are intermixed that would be impossible. Besides, the way I picture it is you have the people with 2 armys on either side.

IC: We condemn the use of human shields by either side. I want the troops to be at least 100 yards from the civilians. That goes for Israel to. Give them some damn room to breath. I would also like to have food shipments organized to the civilians. Any prevention of such would be a human rights abuse condemned by the UN.

PA/AA - Given the heightened state of military conflict and the fact that in current condition these people have no home, we implore you to let us ferry out the former settlers before any fighting breaks out. Transport aircraft can be in the area within 3 hours to remove refugees/eligible civilians from volatile areas.

PA, Give the name of the airport most convenient for the location of the refugees and a guarantee of safe passage for them to the airport onto our aircraft and we will take the problem off your hands...

OCC: I have the B-1 for 40 million. Check the Northropp Grumman storefront. his prices are dirt cheap. I am not godmodding. My military budget is 50% which = about 200billion a year. That is half the US military budget. That is a fair amount of troops and it is actually much higher than I deployed. I bought them over the years, not all this year. I am well within my military means. I have deployed a small number of my total military

When I said you couldn't use your whole army, I meant you couldn't immediately use it. if you deploy it you can use it all

The B-1s are loaded with some larger bombs to scare people, but will most likely launch smaller laser guided bombs which won't kill many civilians. Not all your troops are intermixed that would be impossible. Besides, the way I picture it is you have the people with 2 armys on either side.

IC: We condemn the use of human shields by either side. I want the troops to be at least 100 yards from the civilians. That goes for Israel to. Give them some damn room to breath. I would also like to have food shipments organized to the civilians. Any prevention of such would be a human rights abuse condemned by the UN.

I will agree to the transfer and provide some C-17s, but I have to wait for both sides to agree to the transfer.

My Muslim Brothers,

I offer you an alleigance with a progressive, spiritual nation. No troublemakers need apply, we strictly regiment our recruits and their supervisors. If you're looking for just a place to fit in, please give my orginization a glance.

USS of TAJ

OOC:

50% is simply outrageous. Unless you are trying to be North Korea and have a horrible economy, you cannot do that. It would paralyze your economy. I don't even think that North Korea has such a large part of their GDP going to their military.

Secondly, my troops are mainly deployed with cities, it would be impossible to not hit civilians. My troops are also mixed in with the Israeli settlers. They are there to make sure they do not run off. You bomb me, you hit them. There are units deployed outside cities, but they are not combat formations, in most cases.

IC:

Any aicraft entering Palestine will be shot down. This is your first and last warning. If you wish to speak about humanitarian concerns, speak to Israel. They are refusing to take back their own citizens and are instead leaving them out in the middle of nowhere to die.

My Muslim Brothers,

I offer you an alleigance with a progressive, spiritual nation. No troublemakers need apply, we strictly regiment our recruits and their supervisors. If you're looking for just a place to fit in, please give my orginization a glance.

USS of TAJ

OOC: Go away, Mr. McDruggie. Do not think I have not forgotten your retarded druggie posts in the other thread.

OCC: It was 90% military spending during WWII that ended the great depression. Military funding ends up trickling throught the economy. 50% is not too high. Reagan spent 50% on the military, so did Truman during Korea. Besides, I love having money to buy a military. The US has for a long time during its history done this.

IC: WE are going as 3rd party observers. We will attack any nation that fires whether it be Israel or Palestine. We will not just be over your airspace, but over both nations.

We are alarmed with the detioration of events. We are sending a single carrier battle group. We have the USS Enterprise an american nuclear carrier from 1962. with 36 F/A-18, 20 F-14D, 4 E-2, 6 S-3 4 SH-60 ASW choppers, and 4 HH-60 attack choppers
3 Burke class DDGs with TLAMs and AEGIS
2 Ticonderoga class AEGIS CGs with TLAMs
1 Kidd class DDG with TLAMs
1 Perry class FFG
2 688 class SSNs with TLAMs
2 fleet supply ships

This is half of our navy

OOC: Who exactly represents Israel in this RP? there's so many 'Israel' nations around it's difficult to tell.

IC: If negotiations with the Israelis do not go successfully, surely you can have a heart and allow us to transport these civilians to safety? Surely you can tell the difference between military bomber aircraft and transport planes designed to carry civilians?

Meanwhile, a sleek and strange aircraft takes off from the top-secret Roloff AFB in western Kelonia, bound for the growing crisis in the middle east, rising into the clouds above the dense pine forests below...

Note: There's not much chance of me deploying a large military force on either side - I've had to raise national security in my own nation due to my involvement in a peacekeeping mission elsewhere that certain parties are not happy with.

OCC: I don't know who Israel is, I'm Sicily.

IC: We are not going to do it without their permission. The settlers don't want to leave and won't do it volunarily. We won't kidnap them. If anyone does they will be condemned by the world community.

OCC: This may help some nations here. When I did the budget calculator, at 25% military spending budget =340bil
at 50% total budget = $350bil. More military spending = better economy

OOC: Who exactly represents Israel in this RP? there's so many 'Israel' nations around it's difficult to tell.

IC: If negotiations with the Israelis do not go successfully, surely you can have a heart and allow us to transport these civilians to safety? Surely you can tell the difference between military bomber aircraft and transport planes designed to carry civilians?

Meanwhile, a sleek and strange aircraft takes off from the top-secret Roloff AFB in western Kelonia, bound for the growing crisis in the middle east, rising into the clouds above the dense pine forests below...

Note: There's not much chance of me deploying a large military force on either side - I've had to raise national security in my own nation due to my involvement in a peacekeeping mission elsewhere that certain parties are not happy with.

OOC: Who exactly represents Israel in this RP? there's so many 'Israel' nations around it's difficult to tell.

IC: If negotiations with the Israelis do not go successfully, surely you can have a heart and allow us to transport these civilians to safety? Surely you can tell the difference between military bomber aircraft and transport planes designed to carry civilians?

Meanwhile, a sleek and strange aircraft takes off from the top-secret Roloff AFB in western Kelonia, bound for the growing crisis in the middle east, rising into the clouds above the dense pine forests below...

Note: There's not much chance of me deploying a large military force on either side - I've had to raise national security in my own nation due to my involvement in a peacekeeping mission elsewhere that certain parties are not happy with.

OOC: Fluffywuffy is Israel.

IC:

Any aircraft that is not either Palestinian or Iraqi will be shot down. Any attempts to penetrate our airspace will be met with deadly force. We do not wish war, but we will defend our territory. We have been occupied since 1948. We will not allow ourselves to fall under occupation again.

OOC: Who exactly represents Israel in this RP? there's so many 'Israel' nations around it's difficult to tell.

IC: If negotiations with the Israelis do not go successfully, surely you can have a heart and allow us to transport these civilians to safety? Surely you can tell the difference between military bomber aircraft and transport planes designed to carry civilians?

Meanwhile, a sleek and strange aircraft takes off from the top-secret Roloff AFB in western Kelonia, bound for the growing crisis in the middle east, rising into the clouds above the dense pine forests below...

Note: There's not much chance of me deploying a large military force on either side - I've had to raise national security in my own nation due to my involvement in a peacekeeping mission elsewhere that certain parties are not happy with.

OOC: Who exactly represents Israel in this RP? there's so many 'Israel' nations around it's difficult to tell.

IC: If negotiations with the Israelis do not go successfully, surely you can have a heart and allow us to transport these civilians to safety? Surely you can tell the difference between military bomber aircraft and transport planes designed to carry civilians?

Meanwhile, a sleek and strange aircraft takes off from the top-secret Roloff AFB in western Kelonia, bound for the growing crisis in the middle east, rising into the clouds above the dense pine forests below...

Note: There's not much chance of me deploying a large military force on either side - I've had to raise national security in my own nation due to my involvement in a peacekeeping mission elsewhere that certain parties are not happy with.

OOC: Fluffywuffy is Israel.

IC:

Any aircraft that is not either Palestinian or Iraqi will be shot down. Any attempts to penetrate our airspace will be met with deadly force. We do not wish war, but we will defend our territory. We have been occupied since 1948. We will not allow ourselves to fall under occupation again.

OOC: Who exactly represents Israel in this RP? there's so many 'Israel' nations around it's difficult to tell.

IC: If negotiations with the Israelis do not go successfully, surely you can have a heart and allow us to transport these civilians to safety? Surely you can tell the difference between military bomber aircraft and transport planes designed to carry civilians?

Meanwhile, a sleek and strange aircraft takes off from the top-secret Roloff AFB in western Kelonia, bound for the growing crisis in the middle east, rising into the clouds above the dense pine forests below...

Note: There's not much chance of me deploying a large military force on either side - I've had to raise national security in my own nation due to my involvement in a peacekeeping mission elsewhere that certain parties are not happy with.

OOC: Who exactly represents Israel in this RP? there's so many 'Israel' nations around it's difficult to tell.

IC: If negotiations with the Israelis do not go successfully, surely you can have a heart and allow us to transport these civilians to safety? Surely you can tell the difference between military bomber aircraft and transport planes designed to carry civilians?

Meanwhile, a sleek and strange aircraft takes off from the top-secret Roloff AFB in western Kelonia, bound for the growing crisis in the middle east, rising into the clouds above the dense pine forests below...

Note: There's not much chance of me deploying a large military force on either side - I've had to raise national security in my own nation due to my involvement in a peacekeeping mission elsewhere that certain parties are not happy with.

OOC: Fluffywuffy is Israel.

IC:

Any aircraft that is not either Palestinian or Iraqi will be shot down. Any attempts to penetrate our airspace will be met with deadly force. We do not wish war, but we will defend our territory. We have been occupied since 1948. We will not allow ourselves to fall under occupation again.

Perhaps if I may alleviate some of the tension. I, speaking from what the Israeli foreign minister has told me can tell Sicily 1991 and Kelonia to start evacuating civilians

Perhaps if I may alleviate some of the tension. I, speaking from what the Israeli foreign minister has told me can tell Sicily 1991 and Kelonia to start evacuating civilians

OOC: Are you trying to ruin this thread too? Didn't you read the first post? Are you that stupid?

I want to go in and evacuate these civilians, but I'm yet to get any response from Israel (if you're out there, let these civilans cross the border just to the nearest airport - we'll airlift them from there) and I'm not risking my pilots flying into territory where they're likely to get shot down in lumbering transport aircraft - I'm not going to turn my pilots into sitting ducks.

OCC: I don't know who Israel is, I'm Sicily.

IC: We are not going to do it without their permission. The settlers don't want to leave and won't do it volunarily. We won't kidnap them. If anyone does they will be condemned by the world community.

The settlers have already left their homes and are waiting at the border crossing to cross back to their homeland, Israel. It is Israel that is not letting them in. They have no wish to stay within Palestine now that the Palestinians have their own government and country.

Since the Israelis are approving it, I will accept Homer's proposal. I will use my transports to move the settlers out temporarily.

My forces have now arrived. I am going to have my planes over both countries to maintain peace. We are 3rd party observers. If a nation fires, I will attack them, I don't care who it is. I am going to send some F-16 Charlie/golfs, which are specifically designed for destroying SAM sites to the area. Whey will arrive in exactly 1 hour. They are armed with HARMs and some AAMs. They will be based out of Israel. I am just sending them to make sure our planes aren't shot down. We will not fire first so as long as neighter side fires, no wars will develop.

Since the Israelis are approving it, I will accept Homer's proposal. I will use my transports to move the settlers out temporarily.

My forces have now arrived. I am going to have my planes over both countries to maintain peace. We are 3rd party observers. If a nation fires, I will attack them, I don't care who it is. I am going to send some F-16 Charlie/golfs, which are specifically designed for destroying SAM sites to the area. Whey will arrive in exactly 1 hour. They are armed with HARMs and some AAMs. They will be based out of Israel. I am just sending them to make sure our planes aren't shot down. We will not fire first so as long as neighter side fires, no wars will develop.

OOC: No. Ignore what HS87 says since he doesn't exist. He is just a freaking retard.

OCC:i think that may be a godmodd. The settlers have said they would never leave.

I hate how slow this site is running.

IC: They expressed to my embassy that they want to stay, but were forced off their land.

OCC:i think that may be a godmodd. The settlers have said they would never leave.

I hate how slow this site is running.

IC: They expressed to my embassy that they want to stay, but were forced off their land.

OOC: No. You do not have an embassy in Palestine. Even if you did, I don't think I'd be letting them go and visit embassies of foreign nations.

OCC:i think that may be a godmodd. The settlers have said they would never leave.

I hate how slow this site is running.

IC: They expressed to my embassy that they want to stay, but were forced off their land.

OOC: No. You do not have an embassy in Palestine. Even if you did, I don't think I'd be letting them go and visit embassies of foreign nations.

OCC:I will not completely ignore him, but for the purpose of this thread I will. I must tell you, stop flaming him Al Anbar, he may report you.

I am going to the hot tub, will return in 30 minutes, don't shoot at anything till I return

OCC:I will not completely ignore him, but for the purpose of this thread I will. I must tell you, stop flaming him Al Anbar, he may report you.

I am going to the hot tub, will return in 30 minutes, don't shoot at anything till I return

OCC:I will not completely ignore him, but for the purpose of this thread I will. I must tell you, stop flaming him Al Anbar, he may report you.

I am going to the hot tub, will return in 30 minutes, don't shoot at anything till I return

No, they used cellular comms to call the Israeli embassy. The embassy then told me. I am trying to stay neutral here an would love updates, now I am off to the hot tub

"The State of Israel will not back down from its demand that Jews in Palestine not be kicked out. Have we kicked muslims or all others out? No, we allow anyone that wants to be here be here unless they insist on causing trouble. Because you are discriminating unjustly against Jews in Palestine the State shall do to you what you are doing to us. No Palestinians that live in Palestine can work in Israel until you end your discrimination. Also, no one but workers returning home shall get into Palestine from inside Israel."

-Prime Minister Zaccai Jabin

After his speach, the PM went to the Israeli Capitol building in Tel Aviv where a high-level military meeting is going on.

As he walks in various commanders shake his hand on his way to his chair at the head of the table.

'We have a situation on our hands now, gentlemen. Although we can easily call upon Imperial aid in a conflict, they seam to be a little tied up now with some foriegn crisis. Also, we will be seen as weak. We do have access to Imperial satelites, however, as General Micheal should know."

"Well, Mr. Jabin, it has been hard to get one of those satelites but I negotiated it. It seems Al Anbar is going to back up the Palestinians in this conflict. We have gotten a few nations to deploy troops to our nation to help us. I propose we get the airforce and army to Red Alert level to prepare for any foriegn agression."

"Well spoken, Micheal. I agree also. I have sent a message to the Empire and they too agree that they are a little tied up at the minute. They will provide air-support with those HyperSoar bombers of thiers, however. What's the status on the deployment of forces to the West Bank and Gaza Strip borders?"

"They are done sir. I am unsure where they will hit from if they attack so i spread the forces evenly. I have called up all reserve units for active duty. Those are filling the place of the active forces as far as manning bases goes. About 3/4 of those are being spread out farther from the border as a second line defense. There we have placed artilery units and delpoyed to forward air-bases. Fortifications, such as tank traps, are being placed in the areas."

"Very well done. I think Micheal has done a good job, no? Meeting adjurned until something happens"

If there is any further buildup of military forces in the area then Kelonia will be forced to insert it's own forces to ensure the safety of both the civilians involved and Kelonian interests in the area.

Also, I now have five C5 Galaxy transport aircraft flying around with neither Palestine nor Israel given permission for them to land - if Israel/Fluffywuffy refuses permission, can any local nation friendly to the interests of the civilians involved offer them a place to land until either side allows us to land to extract the civilians?

(Runway needs to be 8,300ft minimum for these transports to land and be able to take off again, so a civilian airport would do better than most military airfields, unless they're designed for heavy bombers)

"The State of Israel will allow Kelonian peacekeepers to ensure that civilians are not mistreated"

-PM Zaccai Jabin

the person who started this thing, i think it was envoy or somethin like that.
ya ur really gay......and lame.
Palestinians should die.

i meant palestinian authority

You sound inteligent.

"The Palestinian Government is not forcing the Jews that have lived in Palestine before the Zionist entity came into existence. We are, however, removing all that have entered into Palestine illegally since then. There is a big difference between the situation the Israeli has proposed and ours. The Arabs that have lived in what is now called 'Israel' have lived there before Zionist entity came into existence. They did not steal the land of the Jews." explained Arafat, "These Jews came here to settle on our land since Palestine was created by the United Nations in 1948. They did not buy the land from the Palestinians that owned it or from the Palestinian authority. They simply stole it."

"All Jews that currently live in Palestine that were not settlers are being afforded the same rights and privelages as an Arab citizen of Palestine."

- President Yasser Arafat at a conference. Answer to a question by an al-Jazeera reporter.

OOC: By the way, I do not accept future tech, scifi tech, and the use of WMDs have to be agreed on by both sides.

[code:1:42bb9484f6]-- Special Communique to Israel --
From: Dimitri Onoshin (Kelonian Minister for Foreign Affairs)

Mr. Jabin, we implore your nation to allow these refugees in, however if you do not wish to accept them, our forces will airlift them out until we can find them a permanent home - All we ask is that we be granted rights to land at the nearest airport from the border with a runway suitable for the aircraft.

We feel this is the only way to avoid any form of armed conflict over this issue, given the rapid buildup of forces in the region.

Sincerely and urgently,
Dimitri Y. Onoshin.
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Note: If and when we get our transports in to extract these civilians, if Kelonian aircraft come under fire from any party, there will be a full investigation.

OOC: how far in the future untill it becomes "future tech?

"You are only targeting Jews that have entered your nation illegally and bought land illegaly. Why not boot the Palestinians who have done so, and the Christians who have done so? You, regardless of what paper says, are targeting Jews alone."

The Palestinian Government once again issues a warning to all countries:

"Any aircraft entering the airspace of Palestine, above either the Gaza Strip or West Bank will be treated as a hostile aircraft and will be shot down. Our airspace is closed to all aircraft. Our borders and waterways are too closed. Do not enter the airspace or territorial waters of Palestine. This is your warning."

Whether he be Israeli or Arab, all terrorists are the same. Hand over the terrorist leader Yasser Arafat or face the consequences.
Take a lesson from what we did to the terrorist Ariel Sharon as a warning. If we can get him, we can easily pluck out Arafat.

OOC: how far in the future untill it becomes "future tech?

OOC: Whatever is in production today is okay or really near to being used.. For example, those Predator drones with missiles/bombs.

Government of Palestine, the Kelonian aircraft in the area have no intention of entering your airspace - they are transport aircraft, their job is not to go flying into closed airspace to become sitting ducks for AA fire. We are simply stating that if our aircraft come under fire there will be an investigation - There would not need to be one if they strayed into your airspace, as you would be perfectly within your rights to shoot them down.

Edit: As to what Fluffywuffy has said below, we deplore his declaration too - but it's his country and we don't wish to test his resolve with a cargo plane.

"The State deplores the declaration of the Palestinian government. You would shoot down civilian aircraft for your so-called "national security"? What threat does the occasional lost crop duster or other aircraft such as that pose to you?"

-PM Jabin

"The State deplores the declaration of the Palestinian government. You would shoot down civilian aircraft for your so-called "national security"? What threat does the occasional lost crop duster or other aircraft such as that pose to you?"

-PM Jabin

"The situation would be different if we were not facing extermination by Israel once again. You have occupied Palestine for fifty six years! We are in our rights not to trust our so called neighbours, especially not when you and others have deployed military and given you their support to try to conquer us once again. In addition, crop dusters and aircraft can be modified to spread deadly chemicals, weapons, and other weaponry against us. We will not allow this to happen, especially when you have caused an international crisis and are now preparing to re-enter our lands!"

"it is against the State's constitution for us to enter your lands in an invasion! Breaking that constitution would have very dire consequences.
Also, you may note that our troops are deployed in defensive positions"

-PM Jabin

"Due to the military buildup in the middle east, which has happened more than once in recent times and is showing increasing instability in the area, Kelonia has been forced to begin drawing up a force to be dispatched to protect Kelonian interests and the Jewish refugees. This is also partially to do with the increasingly aggressive and hostile declarations from the Palestinian government."

"Government of Palestine, why make the threat to shoot down any aircraft that enters your airspace, when our aircraft were transport planes offering to do you a favour by dealing with your refugee problem? that's no way to carry out international relations, is it?"

- Zamantha Flakkov, Kelonian vice-Premier.

Our planes will not leave either nation's airspace. If you make more threats, we will no longer remain neutral. Our 24 F-16 CGs are up and ready to strike any SAM site that opens up their fire control radars. Air/seach radars are fine, but if the fire controls used only for launch come up, HARMs will be launched. using satelites and radar warning systems we have an idea of where most SAM batteries are.

We are sending F-4G wild weasel for SEAD suppression of enemy air defense in case a shooting war develops. We will not fire, but will remain over PA airspace. Our 5 F-117s are being sent over. We are also sending 2 squadrons (24 planes) of F-15Es and another 2 of F-15Cs for air supperiority (sp) fighters.

We urge both sides to settle down and come to a peaceful solution. Stop the history lesson please.

I strongly urge the PA to not open fire and allow 3rd parties to fly over your space. I am also flying over Israel. I am here in my prescence for peaceful reasons.

OOC: Sicily, be realistic. You don't have spy satellites. You're only two weeks old. Spy satellites, B1s, tanks, aircraft, infantry, transports, etc. etc. in massive numbers.

And no, you do not have a 300 million or so budget.

http://www.pipian.com/stuffforchat/gdpcalc.php?nation=Sicily1990&randomize=1&defenseprovided=1&defense=25&militarybudget=1

Average 25%:

Military Budget: $87,799,264,865

Enough for:
2,823 F-15Es, or...
4,389 Su-34s, or...
4,670 F-16s, or...
7,981 MiG 29s, or...
20,418 M1A2 Abrams, or...
29,266 T-90s, or...
149,828,097 M-16s, or...
292,664,216 AK47s

With 50%:

Military Budget: $177,433,675,256

Enough for:
5,705 F-15Es, or...
8,871 Su-34s, or...
9,437 F-16s, or...
16,130 MiG 29s, or...
41,263 M1A2 Abrams, or...
59,144 T-90s, or...
302,787,841 M-16s, or...
591,445,584 AK47s

We would like to request that Israel send up tankers to refuel our planes in mid-air, if not, can we use your bases or the PA's airfields for refueling.

OCC: my numbers are realistic. Remember my military budget is half of the USs current budget and I am about 10%-15% of the US's military size. This is very realistic. As for the spy satelites, fine get rid of them, but as for the planes. I have only 5 F-117s and they are from the 70's, the wild weasel F-4 dates back to before Nam. The whole idea of using RWS to detect SAM sites has been used since Vietnam. I am RPing this in a way without goddmodding. If I claimed 1,000 planes, I would see a point, but having only 24 F-16s is actually too small a number.

"We would like to comply but we cannot do so as we have no tankers. We will allow you to land, however."

-Israeli transmision from an airbase

The Dr_Twist Government believes it well within the rights of Palestinian Authority to force who they want within there nation, They have the right to do what they want to there lands as its there own SOVEREIGNTY and right to do what they wish within there Nation.

The Palestinian Authority should get its act together and start enforcing its rights in this situation.

Dr_Twist.

OCC: $350 billion dollar total budget, 175 billion military budget.

And that is BILLION WITH A B not million.

OCC: my numbers are realistic. Remember my military budget is half of the USs current budget and I am about 10%-15% of the US's military size. This is very realistic. As for the spy satelites, fine get rid of them, but as for the planes. I have only 5 F-117s and they are from the 70's, the wild weasel F-4 dates back to before Nam. The whole idea of using RWS to detect SAM sites has been used since Vietnam. I am RPing this in a way without goddmodding. If I claimed 1,000 planes, I would see a point, but having only 24 F-16s is actually too small a number.
loweregypt will loan you 50 tankers.

Thank you fluffywuffy, we will use that ability.

"We would like to comply but we cannot do so as we have no tankers. We will allow you to land, however."

-Israeli transmision from an airbase
35 tankers have been donated to Fluffywuffy.

thank you lower egypt. I will use some of them and also use Israeli bases. I would like to thank both of you for your generosity. I am just trying to keep the peace even though I am a bit of a smaller nation.

OOC: Plus, no fighter is made for fighting SAMs. They have missiles that do that, but there is no such aircraft "tuned" to get SAMs.

IC:


As they warned earlier...

SAM radars, which had passively tracted the Sicilian aircraft as it approached Palestinian airspace, prepared to fire. Soonest the Sicilians entered their airspace, they would fire a multiple amount of anti-aircraft weaponry. 23mm and 57mm AAAs, 12 SA-2's, 10 SA-5's, and 4 SA-8's had prepared to fire. . . .

They entered.

The radar switched to active mode and fired. They fired before any human would have the ability to lock on to the radar and fire their own anti-SAM missiles. It would not have matter, in any case, as radar jammers had been put in place to protect them from such missiles.

OCC: $350 billion dollar total budget, 175 billion military budget.

And that is BILLION WITH A B not million.

Wow, my Millitary Budget is about $11 Trillion wanna fight :D

A fighter built specifically to fight SAMs?
Sounds like a godmode.

No I don't want to fight. I am just accounting for my military and trying to keep the peace (as futile as it appears to be)

"So, if you wanted to, you could commit acts of racial disrimination and the world would have no right to tell you otherwise? If that is true then we had no right to protest against the Holocaust and the mindless slaughter of thousands of innocent Jews."

-PM Jabin

A fighter built specifically to fight SAMs?

They have anti-radiation missles that home in on radars now a-days.

"So, if you wanted to, you could commit acts of racial disrimination and the world would have no right to tell you otherwise? If that is true then we had no right to protest against the Holocaust and the mindless slaughter of thousands of innocent Jews."

-PM Jabin
Did you get the tankers?

It is actually a real plane. The F-16CG is a variant of the 16 charlie that has its harpoints adjusted to remove the bomb points for missile points for a HARm.

As for the Wild Weasel, make a search and you will see the F-4G. It is a real plane from the 70s and 80's. It could even be from the 60's.

A fighter built specifically to fight SAMs?

They have anti-radiation missles that home in on radars now a-days.

OOC: That is true, but there is no fighter just for fighting SAMs. Just missiles.

It is actually a real plane. The F-16CG is a variant of the 16 charlie that has its harpoints adjusted to remove the bomb points for missile points for a HARm.

As for the Wild Weasel, make a search and you will see the F-4G. It is a real plane from the 70s and 80's. It could even be from the 60's.

OOC: YES, I KNOW THAT. That's what I said. MISSILES = YES. AIRCRAFT JUST FOR SAMS ONLY = NO.

A fighter built specifically to fight SAMs?

They have anti-radiation missles that home in on radars now a-days.
That's the missile, not the plane. Note the difference. The plane only launches the missile. It is the missile that attacks the SAM, not the plane.

OCC: Read a Tom Clancy book, it is called "Fighter wing", they have them in some air wings. They are a real plane search it, I am too lazy to.

That is also true Al Anbar.


edit: yes we did get the tankers. To lazy to post a "we thank you" thing from the PM

OCC: before judging a planes abilities and modifications check the makers web site.
http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/military/f4/wildweasel.htm

Now they leave out that F-16Cs have been turned into wild weases because it is made by competitor Lockheed Martin as the F-16CG

OCC: Read a Tom Clancy book, it is called "Fighter wing", they have them in some air wings. They are a real plane search it, I am too lazy to.

OOC: Just get on with it. RP your losses. I have fired within just a couple of seconds of actively tracking your aircraft, giving you no time to lock on and fire your own missiles at my radars.

Now lets get IC: and RP this

Now lets get IC: and RP this

Yes, that's what I just said wasn't it? In the post just above this one?!

I said they were being sent there not all were over PA space. We lose 2 of 24 planes. The remainder were over Israel and are firing HARMS at a range of 25 miles. Our B-1Bs are dropping bombs in Gaza. If civilians die so be it. Our ships are launching TLAMs at any target possible. The rest of our AF is en route from Sicily and will strike. TAG

I said they were being sent there not all were over PA space. We lose 2 of 24 planes. The remainder were over Israel and are firing HARMS at a range of 25 miles. Our B-1Bs are dropping bombs in Gaza. If civilians die so be it. Our ships are launching TLAMs at any target possible. The rest of our AF is en route from Sicily and will strike. TAG

OOC:

1) Yes, that is fine. I shot the ones that entered my space illegally.

2) Are you just bombing the Gaza Strip indiscriminately? Are you being a war criminal?

I am no longer neutral. I am with Israel now.

I was attacked. I as president didn't give the order, my field commanders did. Next time you shouldn't fire at peace keepers

I was attacked. I as president didn't give the order, my field commanders did. Next time you shouldn't fire at peace keepers

You attacked me by entering my airspace. Simple.

Now, are you indiscriminately bombing the Gaza Strip, thereby being a war criminal?

I am able to hit any SAM sites withing Gaza from Israeli space. I am doing that now. I might add my planes are now on the israeli side and firing missiles and smart bombs that can be fired from 10-15 miles. If you fire into Israeli space, the Israelis may attack you.

Minutes ago 12 SR-71 Spy planes took off from Bases around the Bulgarian Empire in south East Europe Heading to Israel and Palestine.

http://www.wvi.com/~lelandh/b44.jpg

OCC: now this is good RP
IC: I am launching at any target that is military, but if civilians are there, I will not hesitate to fire.

Due to the risk of being shot down, Kelonian fighters will not enter Palestinian airspace - however, two squadrons of F16 Fighting Falcons have been scrambled with orders to intercept and shoot down the B1s as they come into range.
While we do not agree with what Palestine is doing, we disagree even more with indiscriminant bombing of civilians.

The F16s will arrive in around an hour, we suggest the B1s stop their illegal bombings before the fighters get a chance to get into range. Meanwhile, the experimental AX-3 Malcha spy aircraft that had been keeping an eye on the situation (see the post about a 'strange aircraft' taking off from a top secret base - that was it - im not going to give away the movements of classified aircraft, am i?) has moved away and is returning to it's base in Kelonia.

The military feels it cannot risk a classified and experimental plane being shot down in hostile territory.

Kelonia, they are not indiscriminately bombing civilians. the laser guided bombs will reduce civilian casualties. We will cease fire for 5 minutes to allow Palestinians civilians to leave military sites and get to safety.

The Most Holy Principality of Roania has but one thing to say to the world.

We will defend the Palestinian People's right to self-determination to the last, alongside our ally Al-Anbar.

Mess with them, you mess with us.

B-1 Bs are fleeing and behind a row of 24 F-15C air supperiority fighters that are more capable fighters then F-16s. F-14s with Phoenix missiles of 75 mile range are leaving carrier decks. They can hit planes before endangering themselves.

"The State demands that the Kelonians States not launch offensive missions from inside Israeli airspace unless Palestine declares war on the State."

-PM Zaccai Jabin

A little while later, Israeli Dfensive Intelegence operatives pinpointed a SR-71 spy plane by use of cell phone tower triangulation.

"The state deplores the nation that has sent a spy sircraft over our sirspace. We warn you that should you be detected again we will open fire."

-PM Zaccai Jabin

We will not fire on Kelonian fighters and allow them to turn back.

Civilians in the Gaza Strip suffered. Buildings were destroyed, civilians in the street massacred. Palestinian Television soon broadcasted pictures from the city, showing the criminal acts of Sicily. "Approximately 450 civilians have been murdered so far," reported Palestinian Television, "hospitals in the city report that over 800 have so far come in with wounds sustained during the bombardment of Gaza City and Khan Younis."

Palestinian anti-aircraft continued to fire, their radar-jammers, imported from Al Anbar, worked wonderfully. Two of the six SAM radars had been hit, but the main anti-aircraft defense centre for the Gaza Strip continued to operate, having not been bombed at all, since it was well-hidden, deep beneath the ground. SA-2s, SA-5s, SA-8s, and about a dozen 23mm AAA guns and a dozen in a half 57mm AAA guns continue to function.

Palestinian fighter aircraft from the West Bank have been scrambled and now fly a patrol over the West Bank, making sure nothing enters their airspace.

Can I re-arm at Israeli air bases since I am supporting the Israelis?

We are not launching them from inside your airspace, that's why they're going to take a while to get there - the only aircraft we wish to utilise your airspace for are our unarmed transports, but we are considering moving them out of range to safety.

You may land but not re-arm. We dont wish for people to use our air-space to attack a nation we are not at war with.

The Empire of Great Norseland hereby offers military aid to those nations of honor, engaged in the righteous engagement of warriordom upon the evil terrorists.

Our F-14Ds are firing the Phoenix missiles at a range of 50 miles. (the missiles have 75 mile range). I would like to warn the PA that all their planes are within range of Israeli SAMs. My planes are over international waters or Israel now. We are using our JDAMs to hit the underground SAMs. We are now reengaging after the 5 minutes which ended.

OCC: the Dr_Twist Government has ordered Fully Loaded B2 Bombers to begin Runs within Israel and Palestine. 43 Have been sent from Bases within the Bulgarian Empire.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/340000/images/_342866_b2stealth300.jpg

The Most Holy Principality of Roania has but one thing to say to the world.

We will defend the Palestinian People's right to self-determination to the last, alongside our ally Al-Anbar.

Mess with them, you mess with us.

Messages of thank-you came from both Al Anbar and the Palestinian Authority. Both nations have asked Roania to send support immediately, to stop the "massacre of Palestinian citizens of Gaza." Al Anbar's message also contained a omnious message - 'The Goods will be readied.'

Our fighters are 20 f-14s in the air, the only planes with AIm-54C Pheonixes in the world. And 24 F-15C superiority fighters with 2 AIM7 Sparrows, 4 AAMRAMS and 2 Sidewinders

I would like to warn Fluffy wuffy that the allies of the PA are about to attack you. I just want to warn you to be on high alert and man all missile batteries.

These 'JDAMs' just caused massive casualities among the Palestinian people. None of the locations were hit housed the 'Air Defense Command Centre of the West', the official name for the air defense centre in Gaza. Gaza City was set alight. But, this did not stop the SAMs from continuing to fire on the Sicilian aircraft.

http://democrats.com/elandslide/images/shockawe1.jpg

The squadrons of F16s have been turned back, to be replaced by a squadron of F22s mixed with several E6 'Prowler' jamming aircraft and F111 fighter-bombers. They are there to prevent any further bombing of civilian targets, as well as carry out strategic bombings on any ground sites that decide to open fire on the squadron.

The squadrons of F16s have been turned back, to be replaced by a squadron of F22s mixed with several E6 'Prowler' jamming aircraft and F111 fighter-bombers. They are there to prevent any further bombing of civilian targets, as well as carry out strategic bombings on any ground sites that decide to open fire on the squadron.

The Palestinian air defense will not fire on any aircraft that persues the war criminals that are the Sicilians.

We have lost another Wild Weasel. The plane went too close to a battery and was shot down. We are firing from the maximum range envelope for our weapons and the max for yours. We can turn back, but the missiles can't run at mach 2.

The squadrons of F16s have been turned back, to be replaced by a squadron of F22s mixed with several E6 'Prowler' jamming aircraft and F111 fighter-bombers. They are there to prevent any further bombing of civilian targets, as well as carry out strategic bombings on any ground sites that decide to open fire on the squadron.

The Palestinian air defense will not fire on any aircraft that persues the war criminals that are the Sicilians.

Having detected a B-2 with Celldar while they were still a little outside of Israeli airspace, the IDF scramble the forward bases' Lavi fighters to defend against the bold attack, engaging the B-2s with thier cannons. The Israeli Cabinet, Knessest, and IDF Generals etc. have retreated to a hidden bunker facility to continue efforts from there.

Not knowing what you are targetting, I cannot post loses

Our planes are fleeing to Israeli space where we are safe. If Kelonia comes there or fires at us there they are in trouble. Our fleet of AEGIS ships is almost at range for the Kelonia planes. With 6 million watts of power the AEGIS is too hard to jam.

We are firing HARMs at the guns from Israeli airspace. Since these only go for radars, there should be no collateral damage.

OCC: Fluffywuffy should have no casualties since they engaged planes with no AA weapons outisde Isaeli air space.

"Because the Sicilain aircraft have been launching unauthorized strikes from Israeli airspace, the Sicilain airplanes will be grounded"

-PM Jabin

Armed gaurds in the airbases where Sicilain planes have landed surround the Sicilain aircraft. Lavi fighters from 2nd line airbases arive to ensure there is no resistance. Sicilain pilots are removed from thier aircraft and moved into Israeli messhalls, awaiting Sicilain pick-up.

We are now sending up some old obsolete planes to just fire on soldiers. They are trying to get the PA to light up missile radars and fire at them. The Wild Weasels will then engage with JDAMs to hit the underground sites.

"The State deplores the continued Sicilain campaign from inside Israeli airspace, provoking our neighbors. We order you to stop before we are forced to make you stop."

-PM Jabin

WE are pulling back to behind our AEGIS cover. We lost 2 B-1Bs to israeli arrests. We are picking up our pilots now. We are working the attacks to reduce civilian deaths. We even stopped shooting to get them away from military targets. We will give reparations to the killed civilians. We were not aiming for them.

WE ask Israel why they betray an ally when I was fired upon? I warned the PA that they would be attacked if I was fired upon. You should be against them the killers of your people, not me.

We are no longer over Israeli space and will leave it.

OCC: the bombers atm have no Targets and have fired nothing, they will be present in the area for some time going backwards and forwards but will not fire unless given an order. The Dr_Twist government hasn't clearly stated it position so far.

What are PA casualties from the last wave?

I would like to add our SLCM TLAM cruise missiles, 60 in total are nearing Gaza city and the West Bank. We have adjusted the paths to avoid Israeli space.

Four 'Seawolf'-class submarines, slicing through the depths of the ocean, suddenly begin to prowl like their namesake... silently they approach their target opened fire with torpedoes at the Sicilian AEGIS vessels in revenge for their indiscriminate bombing of Palestinian areas early on in the conflict. (OOC: I'm not supporting either side - in fact, im leaning towards Israel - I just don't like indiscriminate bombing) The rest of the naval fleet despatched when the vice-Premier gave the word earlier cannot be far behind...

WE are pulling back to behind our AEGIS cover. We lost 2 B-1Bs to israeli arrests. We are picking up our pilots now. We are working the attacks to reduce civilian deaths. We even stopped shooting to get them away from military targets. We will give reparations to the killed civilians. We were not aiming for them.

WE ask Israel why they betray an ally when I was fired upon? I warned the PA that they would be attacked if I was fired upon. You should be against them the killers of your people, not me.

"The people of the world, Jew, Arab, Chrisitan... need to unite to face the terror, destruction, and murder caused by the Sicilians. They have murdered thousands of civilians now, and wounded thousands. This is unacceptable! We must put past differences behind us and unite under the banner of freedom and justice to defeat these Sicilians who simply bomb us because of their racist hatred of Muslims."

OCC: God modding. Where did they come from, not predeployed.

"<kkch> This is Jemini Squadron, about to pull out of Diego Garcia, and escort Trenshaw Fleet to Al Anbar, where the forces will disembark. The 4th army is en-route, and should be arriving within the week."

"Ensure that there are no casualties. Also, politely inform the Isrealis that we expect an orderly peace to be assembled."

I was neutral here and against no one until I was fired upon. I am not agianst muslims, just nations that killed my pilots 1st.

"We are not at war with Palestine, and have not authorized you to attack them. We have stated this multiple times. We therefore thank you for ending the attacks on Palestine. The State will send ten million dollars aid to Palestine in apology for Sicilain airstrikes."

-PM Jabin

Meanwhile, Israeli engineers dismantle the B-2s, studying the design and the composite materials.

OCC: God modding. Where did they come from, not predeployed.

OOC: You're the godmodder in this conflict. You can't afford your huge military, so don't come yelling to us about godmodding when you are doing it yourself.

I was neutral here and against no one until I was fired upon. I am not agianst muslims, just nations that killed my pilots 1st.

Prime Minister Harold Cartwright deplores the violence of the Sicilians, and demands a reckoning and bloodprice.

He also is rumored to have whispered to an aide, "They're next."

"We are not at war with Palestine, and have not authorized you to attack them. We have stated this multiple times. We therefore thank you for ending the attacks on Palestine. The State will send ten million dollars aid to Palestine in apology for Sicilain airstrikes."

-PM Jabin

Meanwhile, Israeli engineers dismantle the B-2s, studying the design and the composite materials.

OCC: what B2s? There not mine as u havn't or no 1 hasn't fired anything and i havn't accepted any loses.....?

OCC: it wasn't indescriminate bombing, it was actually targeted to hit military. We also stopped bombing to allow civilians to flee. Unfortunately no matter what target I bomb, some civilians will die. I am giving reparations to the innocent victims.

IC: Our SH-60 Seahawks are Sonobouying the area with active sonar to make a barrier. Above and below the thermal layer. We are sending up P-3 Orions from our homeland to hunt subs.

Granted. I think I've made a post somewhere, but until i find it, that didnt happen. sorry.

Wait... yes it did:
Kelonia has been forced to begin drawing up a force to be dispatched to protect Kelonian interests and the Jewish refugees.
Page 4. 7th post from the bottom. Easily enough time seeing as your AEGIS made it almost instantaneously. I'll accept an apology.

I believe Sicily said he lost some to my grounding. Oh, my bad, it was B-1s not b-2s. Either way we are dismantling them for study.

OCC: I have half the military budget of the US and about 10% the size, how is that godmodding. all I am guilty of is shortmodding my size

OCC: it wasn't indescriminate bombing, it was actually targeted to hit military. We also stopped bombing to allow civilians to flee. Unfortunately no matter what target I bomb, some civilians will die. I am giving reparations to the innocent victims.

OOC: It was. For example, you would have no IC idea where the air defense command centre was. Your JDAMs were being targetted randomly, then. Perhaps at suspect locations, but nonetheless, randomly.

I am disgusted by my air commanders. I propose a cease-fire and am going to turn them over to the PA for prosecution of war crimes. They fired without the approval of our parlament. I will send 15 million to each of the innocents killed.

OCC: The JDAMs were targeted where the RWR reported a fire control radar being present that means a SAM or AAA site.

OOC: Roania, you have telegrams.

I am disgusted by my air commanders. I propose a cease-fire and am going to turn them over to the PA for prosecution of war crimes. They fired without the approval of our parlament. I will send 15 million to each of the innocents killed.

OOC: You're an incredibly tiny nation. Not even a month old. You most certainly do not have 1/2 the military budget of the US.

You want to say you do? Then I'm going to crush you with every piece of military hardware I can find.

Then bulldoze the survivors. And that will take only an eighth of my military budget.

IC:

The fleet began to enter Al Anbarian territorial waters. "What's the situation?" The Admiral asked a communicator.

"I'm sending a transmission now."

[code:1:1c1ab6b3be]Attention Port Authorities. We are landing here to go and act as peacekeepers in the Palestinian conflict. We desire to know the situation.[/code:1:1c1ab6b3be]

OCC: The JDAMs were targeted where the RWR reported a fire control radar being present that means a SAM or AAA site.

OOC: No. This doesn't operate like that. The air defense control centre is a specialized centre, taking information from civilian airport radars, military SAM radars, and is linked to Al Anbar's network, which provides information from their network on what is approaching the coast. It is also hooked up into several passive radars, not detectable. The information gleaned from these are then transmitted to the SAM sites which then fire based on this information.

I am disgusted by my air commanders. I propose a cease-fire and am going to turn them over to the PA for prosecution of war crimes. They fired without the approval of our parlament. I will send 15 million to each of the innocents killed.

OOC: You're an incredibly tiny nation. Not even a month old. You most certainly do not have 1/2 the military budget of the US.

You want to say you do? Then I'm going to crush you with every piece of military hardware I can find.

Then bulldoze the survivors. And that will take only an eighth of my military budget.

IC:

The fleet began to enter Al Anbarian territorial waters. "What's the situation?" The Admiral asked a communicator.

"I'm sending a transmission now."

[code:1:d8a5be34a4]Attention Port Authorities. We are landing here to go and act as peacekeepers in the Palestinian conflict. We desire to know the situation.[/code:1:d8a5be34a4]

check the gdp calculator. My mil. budget is 50% and it = 175b. The US spends 400b

check the gdp calculator. My mil. budget is 50% and it = 175b. The US spends 400b

OOC: Like I explained: Spending 50% on military = bad for economy.

He most obviously takes toward the Soviet theory of running militaries

Spending 50% on military is a technical godmod, as no real-life nation could support that, I don't think, for any length of time. (OOC: I'm just yelling 'godmod' now seeing as he unjustifiedly labelled me with it - pedantic I know...)

OCC: PAssive systems wouldn't work. Radars were off, but radar recievers were on, but they don't emmit anything. I destroyed only military radars that fall into the fire control type. All fire control radars are active and were pinpointed upon being lit up and fired on.

OCC: My US history book says 90% mil spending during 1941-45. 50-60% from 1951-1977 and 55%-60% during Reagan years. I guess the US never had the military because we godmodded

OCC: Your subs came out of nowhere

Now what is the situation with the cease-fire? Is it accepted? WE are sending the war criminals now. My VP will personally apologize and present the reparations to the victims families.

OOC: I said I was dispatching a force way back on page 4. (What a waste of my 100th post)

Once again:
Kelonia has been forced to begin drawing up a force to be dispatched to protect Kelonian interests and the Jewish refugees.
7th from the bottom. Page 4.

In 1941-5 we were involved in a little thing called WWII were that was justfied due to total war and war on two fronts. In the 50s and 60s we had the cold war. You have had neither of those events or similar events in this thread.

He most obviously takes toward the Soviet theory of running militaries
OOC: In that case, I shall beat him at his own game.

And the name of the game is:

NAME THAT GODMODDER!

Seriously, the soviets spent 50% of their budget on the military only because they thought they were at war, and in constant danger. Also, they could afford that because of bizarre calculations they engaged in that made 50% of their GDP only 10% of their GNP, or some-such nonsense.

OCC: You never sent subs, just planes

OCC: The US did it how do you respond to that?

He most obviously takes toward the Soviet theory of running militaries

OOC: There's a big difference here.

1) The Soviet Union collapsed because of their enormous military expenditures to compete with the West. Sicily is a small nation. It would collapse quickly.

2) The Soviet Union's military, while possessing some high tech weaponry, did not really have the "best of the best" equipment such as the USA did. They believed in a "swarm" theory... Attack with many, somewhat, inferior weaponry and it will produce a victory.

3) The entire Soviet military strategy was based on above. Not on having the best weapons, but simply having more than the other guy. Good example: WWII. In WWII, the Soviets won only because they outnumbered the Germans in everything by 3, 4, 5+ times.

Well said Al Anbar

OCC: I am trying to run the US doctrine of the 1980's but that takes time to do.

I want you to compare total GNP with 25% spending ant 50% spending. It is more with 50%.

a force
That doesn't specify planes. I sent up squadrons of planes afterwards. The planes were a seperate thing. The 'force' (including the subs) were sent because we needed to protect our interests. the planes were sent to shoot down your B1s. difference.

I'm not trying swar,, but I am trying to get good tech and strategy. I actually did hit and run

Before I continue RP, I must ask is my cease fire with all warring nations accepted? I came here as a neutral party and was attacked. I did not want a war, but I was pulled into one

You seem to be the only waring nation

I'm only attacking you over the bombings - as you've RP'ed it wasnt your fault, i'll cease fire - as for the AEGIS ships, let's just say all the torpedoes missed - it wasn't a godmod, as I've just proved - but I don't want to see another version of this thread get destroyed by OOC arguements.

I was attacked by PA, they are the aggressors. My orders were to attack if fired upon. You know that. I will stop all hostilities and give the reparations. The money is wired and my VP will personally apologize in person to the Palestinians. I am not against any group. If fluffywuffy was trigger happy I would attack him, but he wasn't PA was.

I was attacked by PA, they are the aggressors. My orders were to attack if fired upon. You know that. I will stop all hostilities and give the reparations. The money is wired and my VP will personally apologize in person to the Palestinians. I am not against any group. If fluffywuffy was trigger happy I would attack him, but he wasn't PA was.

I was attacked by PA, they are the aggressors. My orders were to attack if fired upon. You know that. I will stop all hostilities and give the reparations. The money is wired and my VP will personally apologize in person to the Palestinians. I am not against any group. If fluffywuffy was trigger happy I would attack him, but he wasn't PA was.

I was attacked by PA, they are the aggressors. My orders were to attack if fired upon. You know that. I will stop all hostilities and give the reparations. The money is wired and my VP will personally apologize in person to the Palestinians. I am not against any group. If fluffywuffy was trigger happy I would attack him, but he wasn't PA was.

1) We still have a matter about your godmodding military numbers.

2) You were the aggressor. You were warned: STAY AWAY. What did you do? You came anyway. What did you expect?

OCC:Deal. I want to thank all nations for this great thread and RP. I think it was fun. I wish all good night and hope no grudges are made. You never know, I may fight you one day, but the next I can be your ally. I'm new at this and enjoy it. Good night and thanks.

IC: My VP and I personally are going to apologize and turn the war criminals to the PA

on a last note to AA, I wasn't going to fire unless I was fired upon. I was over both nations air space. I took 1st casualties and had to respond GN.

Soo... how about we call a cease fire so I can come in and rescue those civilians so I can go to bed?

To Sicily:

http://www.c-gate.net/~corniellus/stfu.jpg

We are sending in a medic team and supplies from our Red Cross chapter.

OOC: Heh. I'm stealing that.

IC:
"The Kelonian States has issued one final offer to grant asylum to the Jewish Israeli refugees trapped at border crossings between Israel and Palestine. We feel that further refusal of help will prove the situation beyond assistance and would mean there is no reason to keep any Kelonian aircraft or vessels in the area. If we cannot offer the refugees asylum or assistance, our prescence in the area is futile and will be pulled out"
- Premier Maksim Romaninko

"We have made repeated efforts to assist the refugee situation in the middle east. these efforts have been spurned by the governments involved in favour of military swagger. We feel making continued efforts past our current offer to be futile, and forces will be removed. We cannot help people who refuse to be helped."
- Vice-Premier Zamantha Flakkov

Meanwhile, at the Israeli airbase where they had landed before the conflict, the giant C5 Galaxy transport aircraft began to warm up their engines in preparation for the long flight home...

OOC: And on that note, I'm going to bed.

(TAG)

Republic of China intel forces, noting the new fighting in the Middle East, begin monitoring electronic transmissions from their Turkish airbase.

Secret IC: Eight submarines of unknown class are deployed into the Mediterranean.

Welp, this thread was a waste. Sicily1990 is Homer Simpson1987. He is freaking stalking me.

He just proved it here: http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=134069&highlight=

Oh well.

Must we reapeat this again?

Is it him? They seem different.

Maybe because my Homer Simpson was a joke accout. It is me, but this is what I really am like. It was fun while it lasted having my Homer joke account.

Is it him? They seem different.

It is him. He admitted it in that thread.

OH, and I would've gotten away with it if it wasn't for you meddling kids. And that **** dog Scooby Doo.

You know Keldonia and I almost got a peaceful resolution with the use of transport planes, but fluffywuffy refused it. Sicily is my serious, non-joke account.

What a phony. A big fat phony.

You know Keldonia and I almost got a peaceful resolution with the use of transport planes, but fluffywuffy refused it. Sicily is my serious, non-joke account.

Oh, you're 'non-joke account', eh? Then you are a freaking racist pig that should be banned. Look at these telegrams:

From: The Rogue Nation of Sicily1990

I loved targetting civilians in the RP.

60 minutes ago.


From: The Rogue Nation of Sicily1990

I will get allies to come and take back the promised land. Go eat pork.

53 minutes ago.

And as you may or may not know, eating pork in both the Muslim and Jewish cultures is a very bad thing.

if you want to call me a phony, what about AA and his phoney name Palestinian Auth. He came clean after being caught. His intentions were worse. He created the name to snatch land he couldn't gain by conquest. What he did was a godmodd.

yeah you made those ones up. I never said that watch this one.

From: Al Anbar

I am a liar

Never said , but made to make a point

I actualy said I was going to declare Palestine independant in the founding of Israel thread.

Either way, I don't think it is good to create a name to claim more land under your control. I must add that is good diplomacy FW. You are now completely surrounded by AA and other hostiles.

yeah you made those ones up. I never said that watch this one.

From: Al Anbar

I am a liar

Never said , but made to make a point

Yes, well, I'm sure you've "deleted" that one already. But I have not deleted mine and am submitting mine to the mods. You will be banned from him for your racism, trolling, flaming, flamebaiting, spamming, and stalking. Byebye. :lol:

OH and by the way, i'm the one who started the calls for Lower Egypt to release control Israel. Now I give credit to fluffywuffy who spent a lot of money to ensure it happened, and I thank him for freeing Israel and giving Jews a place to call home.

And if they attack they will face the wrath of me (A 2.5 billion nation) the Israeli forces, and multiple Jewish nations.