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Who do you think is the top arms manufacturer in each of the following categories:

Land Forces:
Air Forces:
Naval Forces:
Future-tech Forces:
Civilian/Police Forces:

Place your opinions, because I'm thinking of coming up with a massive RP based on the results of this thread, so please be serious and provide links to their storefronts (if at all possible). Also, please don't vote for yourself.


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High Chancellor Sparrow
The Imperial Naval Republic of Unum Veritas
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We believe that Doujin is one of the best Naval warfare manufacturers in the world, along with Unum Veritas...as for aircraft manufacturers, Kazakhstania and Raysia.

Doujin gets my vote for naval equipment

Doujin gets my vote for naval equipment

Not voting for naval equipment..

Raysia - Aircraft
Klonor - Future Tech
USARMY - Land Forces

Land Forces: ?
Air Forces: ?
Naval Forces: Unum Veritas
Future-tech Forces: Klonor
Civilian/Police Forces: CornixPes (sp?) (I'm not sure if his good police storefront is still around)

Alright, votes are being noted. It looks as if Doujin can expect a TG from me soon...

Well for land (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=75689/), sea (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=68948/) and air (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=68940/), I have to go with Clan Smoke Jaguar. Great mix of general equipment, his own designs, and support/transport/quirky stuff not found much on NS, but none-the-less, is a necessity for armed forces.

I also think that Northrop-Grumman (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=113695/) should get a mention. He's put quite a bit of work into his storefronts.

aw.. so shunned. Perhaps I should start selling my naval vessels... nah. I don't want those babies out on the market.
Perhaps I should have some kind of Naval wargame with Douljin?

aw.. so shunned. Perhaps I should start selling my naval vessels... nah. I don't want those babies out on the market.
Perhaps I should have some kind of Naval wargame with Douljin?

aw.. so shunned. Perhaps I should start selling my naval vessels... nah. I don't want those babies out on the market.
Perhaps I should have some kind of Naval wargame with Douljin?

aw.. so shunned. Perhaps I should start selling my naval vessels... nah. I don't want those babies out on the market.
Perhaps I should have some kind of Naval wargame with Douljin?

Naval Wargame? Me? Uhh.. sure in a couple ns years :p

Hey, future tech production? Who's the guy who makes tons of frekkin' robots (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=133528) over here?

*raises his hand*
:)

Hey, future tech production? Who's the guy who makes tons of frekkin' robots (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=133528) over here?

*raises his hand*
:)

LoL.

I'm not stating my opinions yet for that reason...I want to make sure I don't forget anyone in my reasoning.

i havent seen it in awhile,but i think Unum Veritas has (still do,dont you?) a good naval shop.

i havent seen it in awhile,but i think Unum Veritas has (still do,dont you?) a good naval shop.

Yeah its still there...but I think something happened to the sticky or whatever listing it and so sales are dropping off....I'm having to BUMP it again. :(

w00t four repeat posts! damnable forums.

Doujin c'moooon. Oh wait, your part of the Anti-Credonia force aren't you? well then... I guess we'll have a wargame indeed.

w00t four repeat posts! damnable forums.

Doujin c'moooon. Oh wait, your part of the Anti-Credonia force aren't you? well then... I guess we'll have a wargame indeed.

LoL! Cross between a threat and an observation, eh?

I thikn I make pretty good designs, but fail to market them well enough. I have no storefront and only occassionally offer then for sale.

But yeah, Raysia has good aircraft and even better pictures of them. CSJ has good overall designs.

w00t four repeat posts! damnable forums.

Doujin c'moooon. Oh wait, your part of the Anti-Credonia force aren't you? well then... I guess we'll have a wargame indeed.

LoL! Cross between a threat and an observation, eh?

You know it UVington!

I also liked UV's naval storefront. Got alot of my first stuff from there.

Yeah, Raysia undeniably wins coolest pictures of aircraft. Unless one of you out there makes Lightwave models of your products as well....?

No, not part of the anti-credonian force. I'm staying out of it, and if the GDI has a problem with that then I guess I'm no longer a mmeber of GDI.

My Storefront Thread (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=130623)

My Storefront Website (http://www.geocities.com/doujincorp/index.html)

Unum Veritas Storefront Thread (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=655745#655745)

Clan Smoke Jaguar's Storefront Thread (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=68948/)

(these are naval storefronts)

BUMP

Air: United Elias, nobody fluffs modern tech stuff better and well raysia's stuff just doesn't sit right with me for some odd reason (likely my own weirdness).
Land: Dark terror/Iron Blood/Bisons hey the only person to actually challenge the gilgamesh but making all that eastern tech useful
Naval: CSJ
future tech: not a clue but whoever had the store of Honerverse ships would get my vote (my ideal choice for space ships? think btech ship designs with the weapons repalced with honerverse stuff).
Civilian/police: not a clue.


Anyway the only real eveidence i have for my claims are the fact that in recetn memory the only people i have bought stuff from have been DT and UE but in th end i had to give CSJ soemthing for his various discussion threads on tech areas.


*goes into a huff because no one has mentioned Crookfur with its rahter eclectic rnage of oddities* Come on the rotodynes ain't that bad surely?

Air: United Elias, nobody fluffs modern tech stuff better and well raysia's stuff just doesn't sit right with me for some odd reason (likely my own weirdness).
Land: Dark terror/Iron Blood/Bisons hey the only person to actually challenge the gilgamesh but making all that eastern tech useful
Naval: CSJ
future tech: not a clue but whoever had the store of Honerverse ships would get my vote (my ideal choice for space ships? think btech ship designs with the weapons repalced with honerverse stuff).
Civilian/police: not a clue.


Anyway the only real eveidence i have for my claims are the fact that in recetn memory the only people i have bought stuff from have been DT and UE but in th end i had to give CSJ soemthing for his various discussion threads on tech areas.


*goes into a huff because no one has mentioned Crookfur with its rahter eclectic rnage of oddities* Come on the rotodynes ain't that bad surely?

heres my storefront; Dick Cheney's horiscope.

http://www.halloran.com/dcheney.gif


Now that's uncommon wisdom

Charlie Murphy Islands

Keeping it real so nobody else does, we're good and working on it.

compassionate socialist,
TAJ

Land: Crookfur. The T-7 still equips my best tank regiments, though I now have the GT-3 as an aswer to it.
Naval: Artitsa, TAMDS and Medjved are useful.
Air: No clue.

Air:No Clue(I buy from everybody on that)
Land:Definatly Bigmenistan
Naval:I would say its a tie between Unum(I swear I've bought my entire navy from him) and Doujin
Future Tech:I'm not a future tech nation so I would'nt know
Civilian/Police:I only know of one Storefront that offers that and I cant remember.

But If I had to choose a best overall storefront I would have to say CSJ, that guy must have spent at least a year on that storefront.

Also Dancing Moose and I are creating a storefront so...all of yours will be blown out of the water :).

i havent seen it in awhile,but i think Unum Veritas has (still do,dont you?) a good naval shop.

Yeah its still there...but I think something happened to the sticky or whatever listing it and so sales are dropping off....I'm having to BUMP it again. :(

I've noticed that to, I'm having to search my own name to find your storefront. Dont worry though I'm keepin ya in business :D .

i havent seen it in awhile,but i think Unum Veritas has (still do,dont you?) a good naval shop.

Yeah its still there...but I think something happened to the sticky or whatever listing it and so sales are dropping off....I'm having to BUMP it again. :(

I've noticed that to, I'm having to search my own name to find your storefront. Dont worry though I'm keepin ya in business :D .[/quote]

Add it to your favorites?

Wazican, I doubt a year. He does have a good storefront though (even though half the picture links he gives are broken)

The one problem I see with the Naval storefronts is that I'm the only one offering Trimaran ships as the basic thing. There are so many advantages to Trimaran hulls, monohulls just aren't worth it for Naval vessels (for surface combatants that is)

Small list of advantages of Trimaran Hulls over Monohulls (http://www.geocities.com/doujincorp/advantages.html)

Magdha

I've heard of the advantages of trimarans, I just have a difficult time believing that if they are so great then why don't more navies build trimaran warships? The US just put forth a new destroyer design (the Zumwalt I believe), but its a monohull and not a trimaran hull. Am I missing something?


Also, Angry Junkies, don't crap up the thread. I could care less about horoscopes, much less Dick Cheney's horoscope so please don't waste the space in threads anymore.

Unum Veritas, there is the Triton which is a British Project. Navy's are very traditional.. hell most the guns used on the ships (5" +) are still using powder propellant instead of liquid. The Zumwalt is an interesting ship.. although the US canceled it and replaced it with the DD-X multi-mission destroyer, which has a "tumblehome" hull form, i.e. a design in which hull slopes inward from above the waterline. This will significantly reduce the radar cross section since such a slope returns a much less defined radar image rather than a more hard-angled hull form.

They are focusing on stealth, although I don't see it as very practical for surface bombardment ships (like a battleship).

As soon as Britain posts its findings when it finishes the triton project, I bet you will see more trimaran hulled ships ;)

Okay, I guess we'll see in the near future. But anyway, people need to keep those nominations coming, and don't be afraid of nominating someone new or someone who has already been nominated, either. I'm looking for people who do a lot of business and thus control a lot of economic sway for my idea so lets get those names in this thread!

UV, the Zumwalt is now called the DD 21... I based my tikhiy destroyer on it, only American tech I still use.

Unum, mind TG'in me your idea?

And, as I must agree though.. Clan Smoke Jaguar has put a lot of work in Nation States. Not only in writing that article / essayish thing on Naval Ships, but also his comprehensive storefronts.

Unum, mind TG'in me your idea?

And, as I must agree though.. Clan Smoke Jaguar has put a lot of work in Nation States. Not only in writing that article / essayish thing on Naval Ships, but also his comprehensive storefronts.

Doujin, check TG's.

DT, thanks.

Actually.. they discontinued the zumwalt dark terror.. The DD 21 Zumwalt class program was halted in November 2001 and has been replaced by the DD(X) next-generation multi-mission destroyer

Thats what I meant :oops: :lol:

Relic Regional Storefront

http://www.freewebs.com/bluebomber/index.htm

World-famous for going completely unnoticed.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=123094&highlight=

My storefront, open only to allied nations.

Air: CSJ
Sea: Unum (Douijinshi's a bit future-tech for my tastes)
Land: no idea

:( Why is it to future tech, when Navies are starting to put out trimaran hulled surface combatants right now? :(

(OOC: I thought you were future-tech, with the Mach 6 bomber and all. Did you change to modern?)

OOC: I would say that any nation that places within the top 1000 according to the UN rankings could be considered a top world's arms manufacturer. Whether that nation would necessarily export to other nations is a different story I suppose.

Taiwan, the mach 6 is just a small advancement (at most 2 years in the future) in modern tech. The engines exist. The design exist. The design I used is similar to the design to be considered the 'Aurora', which I can say with certainty that it exists. (At least all evidence points to it.)

I was going to jump into Future Tech stuff but I dropped that, and now have my puppet Xendi my Future Tech nation.

BUMP

*resists debating the viability of the Aurora* (bump)

(I have Mach 7 scramjet missiles, but nothing else that fast, simply because I don't need it)

The Aurora is viable.. all the evidence points to it or a similar like plane. The SR-71 Blackbird was taken out of commision without ANY protest at all.. which is the first time that has ever happened, despite it's great performance in it's tenure. Not one person attempted to keep it in service. There have always been someone, somewhere trying to keep a plane or naval vessel in service when it is due to be decomissioned. At least, until the SR-71.

(Last hijack)

UAVs are cheaper to operate, and do not involve rescue missions. The SR-71's role was probably replaced by UAVs.

UAV's can't do the same amount of recon a long range high-altitude spy plane, like the SR-71, could. Computers can't match with Human Intuition when it comes to spying -.-

OOC: I would say that any nation that places within the top 1000 according to the UN rankings could be considered a top world's arms manufacturer. Whether that nation would necessarily export to other nations is a different story I suppose.

ooc: I agree. 8)

-Santa Barbara, 20th in the world for Largest Arms Manufacturing Sector..

Negative, Vrak. People who "rank in the top 1,000 for arms manufacturing" don't do anything to get that, don't put any hard work. However, me, Unum, Clan Smoke Jaguar, and whomever else that has a storefront is putting effort into making it nice. They go out of their way to come up with stats, find pictures, put it all together.. and what Unum Veritas has in mind for after this is all done and done.. won't have anything to do with the rankings.

And Santa Barbara, you are only saying that because you would automatically be placed in.

First of all, I resent that it took nothing for me to get 20th largest arms manufacturing sector. If it took nothing, why doesn't everyone have such a high rating? It took me a year of playing this game, at least, and answering issues and prioritizing things that, well, others haven't. There is a factor of luck, but it's not just randomization here.

I've had a storefront. Two, in fact. I gave it up after I realized it was about as fun as doing those geeky "business simulations" we had in our high school business/computing class, back in the day.

I didn't give up the hard work, though. I've researched everything from nuclear physics (of course I still have an amateur knowledge of that, but a working one nonetheless) to rocket science. I've got more stats on my military gear than, I think, is psychologically healthy.

For example, if you really wanted to know, I could tell you the fuel efficiencies of different engines used aboard my spaceships, or the average amount of solid waste that's produced by the ship's crew-- or the entire space fleet-- or the costs of everything. The power produced by the ships' reactors, and the amount used by each part of the ship during operations. The muzzle velocities of the coilguns, the energy they require, the kinetic energy of the shots, the effective range or time to target, etc etc ad nauseam.

But, yeah, I don't have pictures or a storefront "selling" my wares in a highly unrealistic and oversimplified consumerist show and I can't say that I've made eighty trillion dollars this morning. All I got is 20th largest arms manufacturer...and one of the most detailed, effective, well equipped, supplied and funded militaries in NS...

First of all, I resent that it took nothing for me to get 20th largest arms manufacturing sector. If it took nothing, why doesn't everyone have such a high rating? It took me a year of playing this game, at least, and answering issues and prioritizing things that, well, others haven't. There is a factor of luck, but it's not just randomization here.

I've had a storefront. Two, in fact. I gave it up after I realized it was about as fun as doing those geeky "business simulations" we had in our high school business/computing class, back in the day.

I didn't give up the hard work, though. I've researched everything from nuclear physics (of course I still have an amateur knowledge of that, but a working one nonetheless) to rocket science. I've got more stats on my military gear than, I think, is psychologically healthy.

For example, if you really wanted to know, I could tell you the fuel efficiencies of different engines used aboard my spaceships, or the average amount of solid waste that's produced by the ship's crew-- or the entire space fleet-- or the costs of everything. The power produced by the ships' reactors, and the amount used by each part of the ship during operations. The muzzle velocities of the coilguns, the energy they require, the kinetic energy of the shots, the effective range or time to target, etc etc ad nauseam.

But, yeah, I don't have pictures or a storefront "selling" my wares in a highly unrealistic and oversimplified consumerist show and I can't say that I've made eighty trillion dollars this morning. All I got is 20th largest arms manufacturer...and one of the most detailed, effective, well equipped, supplied and funded militaries in NS...

Negative, Vrak. People who "rank in the top 1,000 for arms manufacturing" don't do anything to get that, don't put any hard work. However, me, Unum, Clan Smoke Jaguar, and whomever else that has a storefront is putting effort into making it nice. They go out of their way to come up with stats, find pictures, put it all together.. and what Unum Veritas has in mind for after this is all done and done.. won't have anything to do with the rankings.

And Santa Barbara, you are only saying that because you would automatically be placed in.

OOC: Firstly, I'd like to steer away from what I feel is the ridiculousness of a nation having a storefront advertising their wares like some cheap merchant. Mind you, I'm not taking away the hard work that someone puts into it, but rather the whole concept. Maybe I would roleplay it differently than most (say, like, invite a few select customers and then show them certain items). Secondly, it comes down to the old argument of how much people attach the rankings in affecting their nations when it comes to storytelling. I tend to emphasize the rankings perhaps more than you, but then that's just my style. I don't feel that including the rankings in a nation's makeup detracts in any way from making a story. And lastly, I second Santa Barbara's resentment. Granted, clicking on the issues is not hard work and it doesn't take that much more thought if you want to keep your nation along a certain grove. But there is a reason why Santa Barbara (and myself - with a ranking in the top 200 for arms manufacturing) are where we are. That is, if we randomly selected options that came with each issue the nation should, by every measure, be a mess.

OOC: In fairness, I did once run an advertising blitz for my TDP tech Inc technology. But it wasn't a storefront per say, and I think I will try a different approach next time. After all, isn't that one of the reason why nations join economic alliances? :)

While deciding your issues that you get shows some dedication, it doesn't compare to that "cheap merchant advertisements" and blah blah blah. Bah, i'm to tired to argue. maybe later.

OCC: If you wish to argue you can telegram me. But I can see that it would be somewhat pointless since personally I have neither the inclination nor the free time to churn out webpages full of military wares for a game. Like I say, I'm not taking anything away from the hard work, but consider this; if country A has a flashy website but ranks lower than country B in terms of "top arms manufacturing", who really is the better manufacturer? Country A perhaps has better marketing people. That's about it.