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Before you start reading this remember this whole essay is OOC. To Iron Blood and all the other who might feel offended take this issue to the moderators.

First of all I'm sick and tired of all the little idiots who run around in circles screaming they're going to attack everyone because of: Selling WMD's. "Terrorist" activities. Being against Credonia & friends. OOC reasons, such as POSTING A DAMN THREAD ON BEHALF OF SOMEONE
Threads of importance:
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=133093&start=40&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=133116&highlight=
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=133265&highlight=

As some of you know I've ignored a major attack on my nation because of sheer stupidity and not knowing what the hell they (Alleana, Iron Blood, FluffyWuffy and Artitty) were talking about. Not to mention the complete lack of story and a reason/motive to attack me. Note that attacking someone because an ally of him is being attacked, is NOT a valid reason for war. Read automagfreek's sticky. Contrary to popular belief they do serve a purpose.
Lots of nations joined this war to do what Credonia can't because of OOC reasons. I don't have a problem with that. But they have no idea what the hell is going on between me and him so actually they have no right being involved. This is something between me, Creddy, Huzen Hagen and a few others. Alleana, Artitty I never heard about you till you barged into all the threads and thanks to YOUR ignorance you have ruined these wars. And when you say: Your allies aren't involved either in this conflict then you're wrong because this conflict dates back to Januray or even December 2003. Don't come here and starting to defend yourself because you simply can't justufy what the hell you did. Don't know what I'm talking about? Here are some quotes:

The radar screens in Holy Panoply go temporarily blind, covered with green dots.

These are 2,500 cruise missiles - nothing more that old, remote-controlled MiG-21's, aimed at AA defense batteries, cities, military bases. They carry EMP bombs.

Then, 45 minutes after those fall, 2,500 more come in, aimed at the HP capital and various military installations, carrying thermobaric bombs.

OOC: This is how I get rid of old munitions.
Yup. This really is the perfect example of a shitty RP. Do I need to say more? I don't think so. Yup.

Holy Panooly, I doubt you could send your fleet anywhere at the moment. You have four very large fleets, including mine (I send two :D) heading towards your waters. We WILL demilitrize your nation.
Did this made any sense? Not at all.

Im going to war because hes a bit arrogant in international wars, and I will support my ally allanea.
Yet another intelligent post by Iron Blood.


No Im pulverizing him because I hate people who put their noses where they dont belong. I was supporting credonia before allanea attacked him.
Very nice for you to support Credonia but I bet you weren't there when Creddy comitted war crimes against HLF citizens or was killing alot of other innocent people. What makes you think you have a key role in this conflict which is nothing more than a disagreement over imperialism and foreign policy?

Oh the irony, you hate Credonina for its imperialistic ways, but you're going to invae me because I said I supported the move, only in words. That makes me laugh. If a single bomb falls on my city, my allies will reign fire on you. I will be happy to nuke you :)
Once holy panoly is liquidated I will come to your aid as well.
BC said something about nukes? Yeah it's indeed an act of bravery and courage to attack a much smaller nation. And Iron Blood says that I'm a warmonger and an agressor? Ah the irony is killing me...

OOC:
They are not invlunerable, no. But not too far from it.
May I say, GODMOD?

HP, if you fire 1000 1950's missiles at me, only 2 will hit and even thats generous. It depends on what missiles you use.
Godmod. There's no way of denying it.

The Holy Panoly navy should already be at the bottom. One ton of tungsten falling from beyond the atmosphere really does hurt-you have 16 falling at you. once they hit the ocean at the ridiculous speeds they wil be going at, it will essentialy be a large tidal wave of doom.
I haven't posted anything about my navy and it's already at the bottom. Way to go FluffyWuffy!

OOC: Im attacking you because you had the bad luck to post several topics about attacking credonia, who I support. Now you can enjoy the consequences.
Ha! Thanks Iron Blood you just gave me nice reason for a well placed ignore and you it makes you look like a terrible RPer for attacking someone because of OOC reasons.

So my 'girlfriends' are guys that live in Canada and some other place? WHat merits do you have to ignore the posts? Are they god-modding?
Yes they are godmodding and so do you. What has Canada to do with this?

Next is the stupid issue about me supporting terrorists. OOC everyone know I do support and it's not a big secret I send them money and WMD's.
The main thing is some of you guys use OOC material for IC stories. That's not allowed. Furthermore, reading secret IC messages has suddenly became very normal. I thought secret was ment to be secret. Austar Union has some very diffirent thoughts about that. If you want to read them, post an extra message how you decode them or how it long it took. Makes it a little more realistic and less godmodding. If you want to accuse me of supporting them start gathering some VALID proof.

I do hope I made myself clear about this. I love a good RP but some people just keep messing it up. Luckily most of people on this board can RP in a good fashion.
I know I'm annoying from time to time but damn, at least I try make a story before I attack. Some of you people seem to forget this is RP, not some fake boardgame. Try to imagine it's real and the RP will become much better. AND READ THE STICKY'S.

HP, if you fire 1000 1950's missiles at me, only 2 will hit and even thats generous. It depends on what missiles you use.
Godmod. There's no way of denying it.



I spent some time reading this, i am expecting there side shortly.

But back to topic and why i pin pointed this, are these missiles being fired at ships or what? because if u are trying to aim for a building or a car or a ship those odds are about right, a Scud Missile is about 5 out of every 1000, Missiles are hard to aim unless you have a good guidance system, even ICBMs in the 60s were very inaccurate and would normally fall within a 10mill radios of where u aimed.

Sure, I can understand but you have to admit that 2 out of 1000 is a nearly impossible hit ratio. 10% or even 5% of the fired missiles who atcually hit a target would be a lot more realistic.

Sure, I can understand but you have to admit that 2 out of 1000 is a nearly impossible hit ratio. 10% or even 5% of the fired missiles who atcually hit a target would be a lot more realistic.

it all depends on the missiles you are using there guidance system and what you are aiming at, if u fired 1,000 1960s missiles at a car i bet not a single 1 will hit the car.

True, but I don't think you're going to fire worthless junk at such a well equipped enemy who is sure to have some defences against missiles.

HHmmm so if my ally is being attacked then i have no right to go to his aid?
Then what may i ask is the whole point of an alliance? and what exactly was the point of both world wars?

If you want to keep people out of an RP mark it as as private
(oh and before you say anything if i really wanted in i could after all credonia used my nation as a base way back when).

as to the examples:
1: Unless you ahve provided explicit information then people are free to fill any gaps they come across, Yes they should ask about stuff and if they do you have to answer, nobody's country is invisible.
While not a brilliant description fo a raid it isn't too bad.
I suppose all of your posts are clancy style novels?

2:what exactly don't you understand in it? it simply stats that there are 4 fleet groups (2 of which are his) moving towards your area and thus moving your fleet would be at best foolish

3: no name for name calling

4: i belive Bisons/dark terror/iron blood has been behind credonia since the begining but there was a rahter large war at that time...

5: what exactly does BC's reply to a totally univolved nations rahter silly interuption have to do with anything?

6: Not at all, unfortunatly unless you ahve a really good grasp of how weapons systems work and can coem up with reasearch papers proving IB/DT wrong then are going to have problems hurting his units.

7:Again not at all:
i) 1950s tech missiles have a less than spectacular chance of htting (or even functioning at all) in the first place.
ii) they would have to be launched by units operating inside a IB/DT fleet defence envelope
iii) his CIWS are designed to operate against the best NS tech so 1950s stuff is easy meat esspecailly considering that western 5" guns can succesfullly hit and destroy some older missiles.
iv) his point is that it depends on the missile, IB is a tech fanatic, he knows exactly what things are capable of and while he may stretch the truth a little at times he will aknowledge you if you at least make an effort.

8: he made a valid attack and you failed to acknowledge it, the attack likely would have had a similar effect on any reasonable navy...

9:so you are using an OOC post as a reason to moan about people using OOC posts for thier reasons?

10: How are they godmodding? it helps if you have a valid reasons to indicate how any particular attack may be crossing the border. this post was also in resposnse to a post where you made abusive comments towards Fluffywuffy and others


Secret Messages: it goes both ways, you really should indicate how the message would be secret, after all larger nations listen in on everyone's coms...


You do make some good points but you also have a very distrubing habit of making plainly abusive post towards people.

The fact of the matter is that that if you ignore these people and credonia acknowledges them (which he has every right to do so) then you really have to ignore credonia aswell. you have to be careful with ignores they can amke the world very empty all of a sudden.

True, but I don't think you're going to fire worthless junk at such a well equipped enemy who is sure to have some defences against missiles.

i am only acting on what is said, but yes you are right if u are using cruise missiles hit rate without anti missile systems around would be 99.99~%, but if there is an anti missile system there it all depends on the system and how it works what it uses to shoot down the missiles how it targets the missiles how it determines a missile from other objects there is so much there to take into account. its really hard.

HHmmm so if my ally is being attacked then i have no right to go to his aid?
Then what may i ask is the whole point of an alliance? and what exactly was the point of both world wars?

If you want to keep people out of an RP mark it as as private
(oh and before you say anything if i really wanted in i could after all credonia used my nation as a base way back when).

as to the examples:
1: Unless you ahve provided explicit information then people are free to fill any gaps they come across, Yes they should ask about stuff and if they do you have to answer, nobody's country is invisible.
While not a brilliant description fo a raid it isn't too bad.
I suppose all of your posts are clancy style novels?

2:what exactly don't you understand in it? it simply stats that there are 4 fleet groups (2 of which are his) moving towards your area and thus moving your fleet would be at best foolish

3: no name for name calling

4: i belive Bisons/dark terror/iron blood has been behind credonia since the begining but there was a rahter large war at that time...

5: what exactly does BC's reply to a totally univolved nations rahter silly interuption have to do with anything?

6: Not at all, unfortunatly unless you ahve a really good grasp of how weapons systems work and can coem up with reasearch papers proving IB/DT wrong then are going to have problems hurting his units.

7:Again not at all:
i) 1950s tech missiles have a less than spectacular chance of htting (or even functioning at all) in the first place.
ii) they would have to be launched by units operating inside a IB/DT fleet defence envelope
iii) his CIWS are designed to operate against the best NS tech so 1950s stuff is easy meat esspecailly considering that western 5" guns can succesfullly hit and destroy some older missiles.
iv) his point is that it depends on the missile, IB is a tech fanatic, he knows exactly what things are capable of and while he may stretch the truth a little at times he will aknowledge you if you at least make an effort.

8: he made a valid attack and you failed to acknowledge it, the attack likely would have had a similar effect on any reasonable navy...

9:so you are using an OOC post as a reason to moan about people using OOC posts for thier reasons?

10: How are they godmodding? it helps if you have a valid reasons to indicate how any particular attack may be crossing the border. this post was also in resposnse to a post where you made abusive comments towards Fluffywuffy and others


Secret Messages: it goes both ways, you really should indicate how the message would be secret, after all larger nations listen in on everyone's coms...


You do make some good points but you also have a very distrubing habit of making plainly abusive post towards people.

The fact of the matter is that that if you ignore these people and credonia acknowledges them (which he has every right to do so) then you really have to ignore credonia aswell. you have to be careful with ignores they can amke the world very empty all of a sudden.

1. They haven't provided any evidence. They just attacked.
2. They're just pissed because they can't take Aust so they take me.
3. The attack was because of OOC reasons.
4. No story whatsoever. Just an attack.
5. I joined Aust in a coalition but I haven't done anything to them
6. They can't RP worth a shit (godmodding)
7. They say my navy is gone while I even had the chance to post my navy or even acknowledge the attack.
8. Sure, they may be an old alliance but they have nothing to do with it.

I know I am abusive against them. But I hate ignorant people who think they are right and everything around them is wrong. They just have to listen to what I have to say instead of thinking everything resolves around them.

In case you have forgotten, godmodding is the build up of weapons that, for that nation, would not be possible. For example, a 5 million population nation fires 9999999999999 nukes. I, and most likely Bison and Artitsa, have spent alot of time resaerching military weapons and costs, so we know very well what we are talking about there as far as the weapons we have.

You're avoiding the issue here. The fact remains you said my navy was destroyed. My entire navy! Now don't lecture me about godmodding.

I never said your navy was destroyed. I said it should be at the bottom.

That's the same. I haven't said anything about my navy let alone my troop movements and you're jumping into conclusions who don't make sense. My navy wasn't even there so what makes you think it should be at the bottom? Explain to me why you make such statements while you haven't seen read the opposing forces. Clearly godmodding if you ask me.

1. They haven't provided any evidence. They just attacked.
2. They're just pissed because they can't take Aust so they take me.
3. The attack was because of OOC reasons.
4. No story whatsoever. Just an attack.
5. I joined Aust in a coalition but I haven't done anything to them
6. They can't RP worth a shit (godmodding)
7. They say my navy is gone while I even had the chance to post my navy or even acknowledge the attack.
8. Sure, they may be an old alliance but they have nothing to do with it.

I know I am abusive against them. But I hate ignorant people who think they are right and everything around them is wrong. They just have to listen to what I have to say instead of thinking everything resolves around them.


To take your rahter random points as they come:
"1. They haven't provided any evidence. They just attacked"
Evidence of what? that they are credonia's freinds? why would they need evidence of that, did you even ask for it?
"2. They're just pissed because they can't take Aust so they take me. "
What does that matter if Aust was truely your ally he would have to defend you and they would know this and be prepared for this (i know for a fact that IB/DT wouldn't back down and likely would revel in it).
"3. The attack was because of OOC reasons"
All attacks are for OOC reasons all antions reflect thier player's OOC attitudes. Also stomping a small uppity country is actually not an entirely unknown Rl reason for going to war, if the populance or govenremnt of a nation gets annoyed at you it is a fully IC reason
"4. No story whatsoever. Just an attack."
From what i can be bothered with all there was a declaration of war and a intimation of fleet movements merely the opening steps of a story, or do you expect everyone to write entire novels in thier posts with fully developed characters and every tiny little bit of detail (which from experience people tend to ignore or skim read and thus miss the important bits).
"5. I joined Aust in a coalition but I haven't done anything to them"
You attacked thier ally, you entered what they regard as thier sphere of influence not doing anything may have involved a loss of face, it was well knwon that credonia had soem alrge allies did you honestly think they wouldn't respond?
"6. They can't RP worth a shit (godmodding)"
As you say, yet fail to provide much in the way of proof (watch the swearing)
"7. They say my navy is gone while I even had the chance to post my navy or even acknowledge the attack."
They said your navy should be gone it was till up to you to respond (and respond reasonably)
"8. Sure, they may be an old alliance but they have nothing to do with it. "
Eh? as long as there is an alliance there is an interest in proceedings it isn't up to you alone to decide who can and can't be involved.

By being abusive all you suceed in doing is making yourself look far more ignorant and pathetic in everyone's eyes than they ever would.

So far in this thread you are merely doign what you claim other do unto you.

It would also help if you took a step back relaxed and actually read what is being said, if you want people to lsiten to you, you have to listen to them too.

I hate getting on my high horse but your abusive and geenrally uncooperative anture doesn't give anyone much incentive to try and "play nice" with you.

Should is a prediction. Is-something did happen, not should happen. I never said thatyour fleet is at the bottom, but that it should be. Besides, I believe that was an OOC post you qouted.

And if you can ignore us for having no story, let's quote yoursecond post in the War with Credonia (posted on behalf of Aust) :

Thanks for the generous donation.

HP sends the following to Aust to defend his homeland.
1 Essex class Carrier
100 F16's
80 F17's
80 J10's

Uh oh, sounds remarkably similar to my post about sending my navy near Bisons'.

1. They haven't provided any evidence. They just attacked.
2. They're just pissed because they can't take Aust so they take me.
3. The attack was because of OOC reasons.
4. No story whatsoever. Just an attack.
5. I joined Aust in a coalition but I haven't done anything to them
6. They can't RP worth a shit (godmodding)
7. They say my navy is gone while I even had the chance to post my navy or even acknowledge the attack.
8. Sure, they may be an old alliance but they have nothing to do with it.

I know I am abusive against them. But I hate ignorant people who think they are right and everything around them is wrong. They just have to listen to what I have to say instead of thinking everything resolves around them.


To take your rahter random points as they come:
"1. They haven't provided any evidence. They just attacked"
Evidence of what? that they are credonia's freinds? why would they need evidence of that, did you even ask for it?

Evidence for acts of terrorism, agression against them etc etc...

"2. They're just pissed because they can't take Aust so they take me. "
What does that matter if Aust was truely your ally he would have to defend you and they would know this and be prepared for this (i know for a fact that IB/DT wouldn't back down and likely would revel in it).

They just attacked without notifying anyone. It was a random post between a lot of other posts. No new thread or even a telegram about this untill Huzen Hagen told me on msn.

"3. The attack was because of OOC reasons"All attacks are for OOC reasons all antions reflect thier player's OOC attitudes. Also stomping a small uppity country is actually not an entirely unknown Rl reason for going to war, if the populance or govenremnt of a nation gets annoyed at you it is a fully IC reason

This attack is because of OOC because I started a few threads related to war with Creddy. My last thread was posted of behalf of Aust.

"4. No story whatsoever. Just an attack."
From what i can be bothered with all there was a declaration of war and a intimation of fleet movements merely the opening steps of a story, or do you expect everyone to write entire novels in thier posts with fully developed characters and every tiny little bit of detail (which from experience people tend to ignore or skim read and thus miss the important bits).

Why do you take everything to the extreme? I'm not expecting page long stories. I want to hear why, how, when, where. That's what I call a RP story.

"5. I joined Aust in a coalition but I haven't done anything to them"
You attacked thier ally, you entered what they regard as thier sphere of influence not doing anything may have involved a loss of face, it was well knwon that credonia had soem alrge allies did you honestly think they wouldn't respond?

I haven't attacked at all. They were the first. I just helped Aust to form an alliance. Is that an act of war or terrorism?

"6. They can't RP worth a shit (godmodding)"
As you say, yet fail to provide much in the way of proof (watch the swearing)

Saying that someone should lose his whole navy because he's with much more ships is godmodding. (Note the ignorance).

"7. They say my navy is gone while I even had the chance to post my navy or even acknowledge the attack."
They said your navy should be gone it was till up to you to respond (and respond reasonably)

They never waited for anything. They just attacked and were very keen on destroying me.

"8. Sure, they may be an old alliance but they have nothing to do with it. "
Eh? as long as there is an alliance there is an interest in proceedings it isn't up to you alone to decide who can and can't be involved.

They had nothing to do with this conflict. Simple as that. Creddy just called them because he can't handle it by himself.

By being abusive all you suceed in doing is making yourself look far more ignorant and pathetic in everyone's eyes than they ever would.

So far in this thread you are merely doign what you claim other do unto you.

It would also help if you took a step back relaxed and actually read what is being said, if you want people to lsiten to you, you have to listen to them too.

I hate getting on my high horse but your abusive and geenrally uncooperative anture doesn't give anyone much incentive to try and "play nice" with you.

Is it really that hard to understand why I am angry? Some people ruin a good RP and I should be nice and friendly to them? Uncoperative nature? When a few guys are being ignorant and godmodding do I have to cooperative? I have read everything carefully and I know what I say. If I didn't I wouldn't be writing so much if it was a load of bull or plain untrue.

Should is a prediction. Is-something did happen, not should happen. I never said thatyour fleet is at the bottom, but that it should be. Besides, I believe that was an OOC post you qouted.

And if you can ignore us for having no story, let's quote yoursecond post in the War with Credonia (posted on behalf of Aust) :

Thanks for the generous donation.

HP sends the following to Aust to defend his homeland.
1 Essex class Carrier
100 F16's
80 F17's
80 J10's

Uh oh, sounds remarkably similar to my post about sending my navy near Bisons'.

So you're calling that a reason to go war? When the USA placed missile batteries in Turkey the USSR didn't attacked the USA immeadiatly or am I wrong now.

Should is a prediction. Is-something did happen, not should happen. I never said thatyour fleet is at the bottom, but that it should be. Besides, I believe that was an OOC post you qouted.

And if you can ignore us for having no story, let's quote yoursecond post in the War with Credonia (posted on behalf of Aust) :

Thanks for the generous donation.

HP sends the following to Aust to defend his homeland.
1 Essex class Carrier
100 F16's
80 F17's
80 J10's

Uh oh, sounds remarkably similar to my post about sending my navy near Bisons'.

So you're calling that a reason to go war? When the USA placed missile batteries in Turkey the USSR didn't attacked the USA immeadiatly or am I wrong now. Wait, I defended Aust. You attacked me. That's the diffirence.

Actually, HP, some of this you are saying is true, some is not.

1.)

To Quote you :: 'Selling WMD's.
"Terrorist" activities.
Being against Credonia & friends.'

Terrorist activites are BAD. If you do that, you cant say that its wrong to be against you.

Being against Credonia and Friends.

If you declare war on Credonia, then obviously his allies will help. You dont seem to understand that World War II was started by helping each others allies.

2.) Allanea obviously seems to like GoDmOdInG, and Iron Blood particularly gets on my nerves.

3.) If you fired 1950 missiles at IB, then his natioon would be a smoking crater. No denying it.

4.) You seem a good RP'er HP, but maybe you should of started a war for valid reason. Creddy is pretty popular, and it wasnt a great move declaring war on him.

We are attacking you in defense of Credonia. I will now leave you to make whatever agry post you wish to follow this.

Also, the missles in Cuba didnt make the USA attack. I think the Cuban Missle Crisis ended when the USA removed missles from Turkey, and the USSR from Cuba.

OK, how about negotiations being held between Credonia, HH and HP ONLY, to end all this before i go on vacation

OK, how about negotiations being held between Credonia, HH and HP ONLY, to end all this before i go on vacation

OK, how about negotiations being held between Credonia, HH and HP ONLY, to end all this before i go on vacation

very good idea, the other thread is filled up with people who never took part in any conflict.

"Some people ruin a good RP and I should be nice and friendly to them?"

Absolutly jsut be nice to them and explain things calmly. You would be amazed how quickly things then improve, people react to the rp enviroment they experience. If you go around cussing and insulting people it only makes matters worse, taking out an entire new thread to provide a rahter one sided rant doesn't help either as it just opens things up

In the end the basic question is: What on earth were you doing make posts on Aust's behalf, isn't it rahter obvious that doing so would make you a target?

Oh and arranging a conflcit agaisnt a nation is just the same a declaring outright war against them.

If credonia was really bothered there are others he could have asked (after all he is free to use my naval bases and has been for a long long time).


Now was turkey actually at war with russia when the US stationed patriot batteries there? (or was russia even in fit state to fight any sort of proper war?).

perhaps you may wish to think back to what happened when the russians postioned missiles on cuba...

Persoanlly i find IB's past rps a bit much at times and he can be soemwhat stuborn if you actually take the time to present things properly he has no choice other than to respond the same.

I did it for Aust because he couldn't do it at the moment. I wasn't arranging a conflict I was involved in a coalition to defend Aust and to attack Creddy later. I've send some men and equipment to Aust. I have NOT attacedk one of Creddy's allies at all. Please read the threads.

Hogsweat, very well said but people were attacking because they knew I was a terrorist from OOC posts. If I said something about me supporting terrorism then it was via secret IC.

(OOC Thread, OOC Comment)

So long as you do not ignore my Nation, meaning you do not acknowledge its presense in the RP World and thereby cannot have knowledge of it, we will be just fine, Fellow NationStates Role Player Holy Panooly.

:)

OOC:
HP... youre not exactly a great rper yourself :lol: So quit whining.

And no, the attack wasnt for OOC reasons. You go to war with someone I support, I invade you. Is that too hard to understand?

Oh HP... jeebus.
You know back in the day Unum Veretaetaras or how ever you spell his name (you know it UV!) was attacked for supporting DT/Bisons. Is that fair? He got manhandled by a buncha people, but he let it go, and we all came to his aide.

Oh, and fluffywuffy did that little 1 ton tungsten trick on me when we were at war... he dropped it on my fleet and my ground forces. Summilarily I lost two fleets and a hell of alotta guys.

Oh, and I could write a novel, but to me thats boring. Now, it may be a little self-centered, but personally, I appriate people putting time into making these long stories and the such, but I just skim them, so for me its kind of useless. Sure, call me a bad RPer, but Im not on her to write novels, I can do that in writers craft. I'd rather use my military knowledge and participate in world affairs and not allow my allies to get smashed.

Oh and about that 1950's missile business, allow me to introduce you to the TAMD's (theres currently a MkII in production, but they have not entered service yet.) This monster of a ship has over 200 Regular SAM's with thrust vectoring and the ability to intercept Missiles at long ranges, they also have over 80 ASTER missiles for those pesky sea skimmers, 6 Kashtan-M systems with 2 30mm 12,000 RPM miniguns and 6 SA-N-11's each (thats a RL system). Plus we got some ASROC's on there for good measure against submersables. Guiding this large amount of anti-air-ness is a 360* Artitsan 'Eye' Air Target radar. This Radar has the ability to track high speed targets using both information from AWACs using lookdown radar, and its own 3D radar system. It can keep track of over 800 contacts at one time. Thus why I give it the name: Theatre Air/Missile Defence Ship (TAMDS). I pay 2.2 Billion for each ship, and I expect the best from them. Your 1950's ICBM's are Grossly inaccurate. Lets use your figure earlier and say 5 are on target. Wow thats 5 massive unwieldy ancient missiles coming my way. Lets go through the targeting steps (I don't mean to be arrogent or rude or whatever, I just want you to understand why 1950's missiles would not really do squat.)
1. The missiles are spotted and tracked from 1000km away (1400km if theres an AWACs)
2. Missile solutions are determined and the long range SA-N-13's are launched once the missiles are within 300km. These have thrust vectoring and the like. Lets say in the off chance (very off chance) they only kill 3.
3. Skipping a second launch of these missiles, the Kashtan-M systems are activated and they launch their SAM's at the missiles. lets say the 120 odd SAM's do squat and kill one.
4. The final missile come streaking in from a high altitude (1950's missiles were not sea skimmers) so the Kashtan-M switches to its duel 30mm guns. Suddenly you have 12 30mm 12,000rpm miniguns spewing out a shatload of lead. The missile explodes, the crew cheers, and the 17 other TAMD's in the fleet shrug.
Theres a reason why I plugged TRILLIONS into this project.

But yeah... the new Mk II will have more missiles through an enlargement process, adding SA-N-14's, THEL laser systems (RL Isreali system), and a better radar unit. If anyone would like to buy a TAMD you can PM.

So yeah... any other questions. Oh, and Im going to draw you the web of allies that drew me into conflict with you, but that'll take like 10 minutes so... just wait. :D

Oh, and Im not saying your a Bad RP'er, I am just saying your insults and your ignorance is degenerating your posts.

http://mars.walagata.com/w/artitsa/untitled.jpg

W00t Im done!

Ok so lets explain this mofo of a picture.
The red lines are direct Artitsan Alliances.
The Blue lines are other Nations Alliances.

I hope from this you see how I would be drawn into a conflict.

ps. These slow forums anger me to the depths of my bowels. Yes, bowels.

OOH PPPPPPS. Theres supposed to be a line between Keyshona and Macabee's, they are big allies as well.

OOC: The blame doesn't fall squarely on HP's shoulders. The scenario (50+ aircraft carriers gunning for HP) doesn't allow much room to RP. It is basically "My carriers bombard you into dust. You lose." That isn't a very good story. If the combined fleets had been willing to do an occupation, one which HP could rp resistance to, then that would've been a story. However, you chose to simply try and bombard HP. There isn't really any RP you can do there except make a counterattack (that option was eliminated by Fluffywuffy's gravity bomb thing annhilating whatever defenses HP had in the area.) There is no real way for the other side to RP much of anything except "I'm dead." or something to that effect. You might as well write a story thread in that case, as you'll have nobody to RP with if you don't give the other side options. The name of the game isn't winning, it's to have fun, even if you lose. Launching "X number of super cruise missiles and pointy sticks" isn't very entertaining. It doesn't make for good RP either.

On a side note, are you going to attempt to annhilate everyone who is opposed to Credonia?

I hope this doesn't double post. :(

OOC:
HP... youre not exactly a great rper yourself :lol: So quit whining.

And no, the attack wasnt for OOC reasons. You go to war with someone I support, I invade you. Is that too hard to understand?

You said it yourself. Quit lying, just read your own damn quotes. Just when is an attack justified when I support a nation who is attacked by several other nations?

Oh HP... jeebus.
You know back in the day Unum Veretaetaras or how ever you spell his name (you know it UV!) was attacked for supporting DT/Bisons. Is that fair? He got manhandled by a buncha people, but he let it go, and we all came to his aide (...) Oh, and Im not saying your a Bad RP'er, I am just saying your insults and your ignorance is degenerating your posts.

I don't care about your military knowledge. I want to know why you haven't RP'ed anything properly. And why did you still followed Iron Blood when he said about attacking me due to threads I have started which were related to war with Credonia. That doesn't make any sense. My conlcusion is that you girls just wanted to attack with no RP, reason, motive or story involved.

(OOC Thread, OOC Comment)

So long as you do not ignore my Nation, meaning you do not acknowledge its presense in the RP World and thereby cannot have knowledge of it, we will be just fine, Fellow NationStates Role Player Holy Panooly.

:)

Why would I ignore you? You're a fine player

OOC: Yes Artitsa, the attack made against Unum Viritas (sp) was unfair... however we know what happened in that RP don't we? It was turned into a huge ignore-fest...

The attack made by Iron Blood against Holy Panooly was some of the worst RP I've ever seen, the IC reasons for Iron Blood attacking could be summed up as "Cause he pissed me off" even after I hinted at good reasons...

Whats more you are forgetting the idea of NS, which is to tell a story. This isn't a game you can win, far from it. So if you are going to try and destroy someone you had better make it interesting to read otherwise it will become boring and fall into a ignore-fest as each player gets more desperate.

The Iron Blood thread only got good at the end when some of Holy Panooly's allies actually started RPing a possible way of helping their friend... but by that time everyone was flaming one another.

So next time, put more effort into it... I agree that Holy Panooly is far from the best RPer in NS but he isn't going to learn anything if you incist on attacking him with 5 or 6 giant nations going to war because Iron Blood "got anoyed".

I admit i'm not a great RP'er but at least I try to make up a story when I do something silly. Very well put Iuthia.

Furthermore, reading secret IC messages has suddenly became very normal. I thought secret was ment to be secret. Austar Union has some very diffirent thoughts about that. If you want to read them, post an extra message how you decode them or how it long it took. Makes it a little more realistic and less godmodding. If you want to accuse me of supporting them start gathering some VALID proof.


Actually, it would make sense for you to actually encode your messages for real. Go to google, and you will find some that you can actually use already online. If you do a bit of research, you will see that when I post secret messages or happenings, I do use encoding programs to hide them.

Plus, it makes the RP more realistic when the person actually has to figure out the codes....

So, yes, it is a two way street, and you need to give a little...

When I say Secret IC then it's secret. Period. If you want to know how I encode things I'll gladly tell you. I haven't studied Cryptology for nothing.

OOC: Austar Union... that needs to be worked out with the nation in question. I can understand you wanting Holy Panooly to put more effort into it, but lets face it, you are going to claim you cracked his code if you can read it in RL.

Most of us can't be bothered writing anything more then "Encryted" or using the code function in the forum... the reason you can read the text is for story perposes...

When/If you join UnAPS you will have this explained to you.

When I say Secret IC then it's secret. Period. If you want to know how I encode things I'll gladly tell you. I haven't studied Cryptology for nothing.

OK, working on your principals, here is an example of a time in WW2:



The Allied Soldiers crowded around the radio, listening to the Germans...

"Psst", says a voice on the radio, "This is a secret message. Begin the invasion of France..."

"Holy Crap!", commented an allied soldier, "What do we do now?"

"Shut up!", replied the commanding officer, "The guy said it was a secret, and thats final!"


What your suggesting is absolutly rediculous. Remember the Enigma from WW2? The Germans didnt build and protect it for nothing!

OOC: Austar Union... that needs to be worked out with the nation in question. I can understand you wanting Holy Panooly to put more effort into it, but lets face it, you are going to claim you cracked his code if you can read it in RL.

Most of us can't be bothered writing anything more then "Encryted" or using the code function in the forum... the reason you can read the text is for story perposes...

When/If you join UnAPS you will have this explained to you.

I hope you can see me trying to see from your P.O.V. I can try to play like that, although I dont think its right...I mean, if you RP cracking his code fully and properly, he could just turn around and say "No you didnt, you dont know the codes..."

OOC: Look, I can see where you are coming from but you are being a little to pendantic about the whole thing.

Firstly, everyone in NS uses secret messages, sometimes in a RP. Seeing as every nation is meant to be pretty good at keeping these things secret it's meant to be damn hard for you to find out.

So if you want to read secret messages, talk to the nation and get OOC permission. Otherwise you will be ignored... everyone in NS likes to be able to communicate privately and if you pulled this crap on Melkor and co (who had an entire secret thread about something huge) you would be ignored too.

You are suggesting to me that any nation, given enough RP, can learn any fact if it's meant to be secret... you are forcing nations into war situations when they are ment to be taking the time and effort avoiding it.

I don't care how much effort you put into sneaking into my nation, or learning about a secret message... if I don't want you to know then you won't know...any other claim will be ignored because it's anoying to think that every time I want to communicate secretly I have to write a hundred words on how I'm encrypting it...

Since Austar Union knows everything about cryptology I'll give him something to think about.
Decypher this: 000000000000000000000000000000000000000
With this as your key: 3.84.74.80.3.72.84.54.30.60.54.6.3.54.80.8.12.6.104.62.24.12.72.80.24.30.74
Formula to procure the true zero sequence: e^pi/i+28

Your such a jackass HP. I never said I knew anything about cryptology. In fact, if your so sure your better at it than I am, then fine. But dont be a jackass about it....

And you know what, I dont have a clue if you even said anything....

Dont be an idiot, and keep IC please...

This whole thread is OOC. If you would have read the top part then you'd know it...
I'm sure I have said something.
Letter from alphabet = L
Prime number = P
L=(P+1)-1.

and if you don't know anything about it, don't lecture me about Secret IC talk and coding messages.

This is such bullshit. HP attacked Credonia, MY ALLY, would you like me to write a fricking book so that I could merely declare war on him? Aww, whatsamatter? getting attacked by several nations? HAVE YOU TAKEN A LOOK AT THE LIST MADE OF THE PEOPLE AGAINST CREDONIA? Theres about 8 there, against Credonia. So when we come in to help our ally we get kicked back out. You whine because we attack you, well tough shit. You don't want to deal with me, thats fine. I've had friends in APTO offer to come and kill Aust, but I asked them to NOT get involved because they are not linked to Credonia directly. I PM'd Aust, and he didn't seem to care. I PM'd him to see if he had a RP set out for him and Credonia and he no longer has one since he killed the emporer. I bet if we attacked Credonia the exact same way HP would not be complaining about our RP styles. But hey, if I have to write a 2000 word story to attack you HP, I will. Your arrogence has angered my Nation's Peoples, especially the citizens that have immigrated from Credonia.

Oh, and I was planning a ground invasion, after heavy saturation. I am willing to bet Iuthia will saunter in and say how thats not "proper" RP, and it isn't fun for the reader to read. Well yeah it isn't, but Im not trying to entertain others, Im trying to keep my ally credonia alive. If I wanted to RP an entertaining story, then I'll just copy and paste the RP's I had back in August and the like. With the Forums the way they are, I am unwilling to commit to long story like RP's.

My problem is with the Iron Blood thread... the way he clearly attacked with a terrible reason and pretty much no RP. I gave him a good IC reason, but he still continued with the crappy "cause he anoys me" excuse.

My assumption as that you were using the same reason and joining in with Iron Blood's crappy RP. So I'll admit it, I painted you with the same brush... I'm sorry that your perfectly IC reason was mixed up with Iron Blood's reason, which he never bothered changing to a good reason...

I don't care how you actually attack Holy Panooly, so long as it's within the realms of posibility... you don't even have to write huge posts about what you are doing and how you feel... so long as the basic stuff is in there like what forces you are using, how you are using them and why you are using them...

So yeah, I'm sorry I assumed you joined in because you were an ally of Iron Blood...

Thanks Iuthia, it takes alot to apologize. Perhaps, we shall ignore the first attack, and redo it, but with the right IC reasons.

Thank you for being gracious in winning an argument. However I think Credonia and Holy Panooly have chosen to make friends now.

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