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Today, the Arms Manufacturing Company of Upper Egypt announces the conclusion of successful testing of its new carbine assualt weapon the Ishtar.
These are the specs:
6 lbs.
uses 5.56 mm or NATO ammo
its infrared laser and red dot matrix sight allow for quick and easy target acquisition
The sight housing is powered by a biobattery (powered by special microbes that give off electricity)
a wireless switch controls the sight functions
weapon also has a regular optical sighter
capable of firing up to 15,000 rounds without ever being lubricated or cleaned
even in harsh conditions such as the artic, desert, etc.
weapon will fire even if it is dropped in water, buried in mud or sand
and best of all, even then it will not misfire or jam
90% of the gas generated is vented out a special gas port located on the bottom of the barrel while 10% is used to cycle the weapon itself.
cleaning takes less than 3 minutes
can be fired in water
but in case of a "problem" in firing, there is a special blowout vents that will vent the explosion away from the firer
it has been fired at approximately 800 rnds per minute with a mild recoil
functions are semi and full auto and 3 rnd burst
it uses two 30 round mags or one 100 rnd drum
comes with either a 13 in barrel or a 20 in barrel
the use of our specially made plastic shell casings make the coil even softer and reduces tendency for the weapon to go up and to the right when fired on full auto.
cost: $1,000
said one test firer: "This gun will truely revolutionize land warfare as we know it."

kind of expensive
can you bring the price down

accidentally added an extra zero.
now its fixed.

*ooc* Plastic shell casings? Do you mean combustible shell casings? And I think 5.56mm SS109 is NATO-standard ammunition. The older US M193 bullet was lighter, shorter, and required different rifling. *ooc end*

Suggstsions: 1) Space out the information a little bit more, it will make it easier to read. 2) Try to use all metric in the measurements (the standard in modern arms). 3) its says the price per unit is 80,000 (eighty thousand dollars) $850 sounds like a much more reasonable price.

*ooc* Plastic shell casings? Do you mean combustible shell casings? And I think 5.56mm SS109 is NATO-standard ammunition. The older US M193 bullet was lighter, shorter, and required different rifling. *ooc end*
The plastic shell casings are made of a special polymer that enables them to withstand high pressures and gradients.
Of course, this means they are easier to remove from the barrel, after a jam, than standard shells are.

Suggstsions: 1) Space out the information a little bit more, it will make it easier to read. 2) Try to use all metric in the measurements (the standard in modern arms). 3) its says the price per unit is 80,000 (eighty thousand dollars) $850 sounds like a much more reasonable price.

80,000 is a small price for small arms combat dominating weapon such as this.

dont be arrogant, theres nothing extrodinary about your rifle. Its just like a M4 with more durability and a saftey mechanizm

dont be arrogant, theres nothing extrodinary about your rifle. Its just like a M4 with more durability and a saftey mechanizmI'm definetly agreeing with you.

k price reduced to 1,000 and not a penny more.

Today, the Arms Manufacturing Company of Upper Egypt announces the conclusion of successful testing of its new carbine assualt weapon the Ishtar.
These are the specs:
6 lbs.
uses 5.56 mm or NATO ammo

its infrared laser and red dot matrix sight allow for quick and easy target acquisition
The sight housing is powered by a biobattery (powered by special microbes that give off electricity)
a wireless switch controls the sight functions
weapon also has a regular optical sighter

capable of firing up to 15,000 rounds without ever being lubricated or cleaned
even in harsh conditions such as the artic, desert, etc.
weapon will fire even if it is dropped in water, buried in mud or sand
and best of all, even then it will not misfire or jam

90% of the gas generated is vented out a special gas port located on the bottom of the barrel while 10% is used to cycle the weapon itself.

cleaning takes less than 3 minutes
can be fired in water
but in case of a "problem" in firing, there is a special blowout vents that will vent the explosion away from the firer

it has been fired at approximately 800 rnds per minute with a mild recoil
functions are semi and full auto and 3 rnd burst
it uses two 30 round mags or one 100 rnd drum
comes with either a 13 in barrel or a 20 in barrel

the use of our specially made plastic shell casings make the coil even softer and reduces tendency for the weapon to go up and to the right when fired on full auto.
cost: $1,000
said one test firer: "This gun will truely revolutionize land warfare as we know it."

dont be arrogant, theres nothing extrodinary about your rifle. Its just like a M4 with more durability and a saftey mechanizm
But this is not an M4. It is far more advanced.
An M4 will not automatically go back to battle sight zero when stored away.
Nor does the M4 have the capability of firing the special lightweight plastic ammo rounds. Which I note, are environmentally friendly unlike normal rounds.
The firing force is close to 5,000 feet per second.
Also, as far as I know, the M4 can't be fired under water or with sand in it.
Plus, the M4 requires more time for maintenance. The Ishtar requires a max of 3 minutes if any.
And unlike the M4, the Ishtar has interchangeable barrels. The 13 in. and a 20 in. for those who want to their weapon to have a greater range.
But both are dead accurate enough to turn even a marksman into a sniper.

5.000 fps?
Isnt that a bit much for a 5.56mm? I think 3200-3300 would be a more realistic number, there is no cartridge that travels faster than 3250 fps (unless you know more than me offcourse)

And 6 lbs is about 2,7-2,8 kgs

I'm not sure but since when has firing a machine gun on auto/semi-auto/single shot been enviromentaly friendly? JUst curious thats all.

Oh dear this is unfortuantly a bit of a dogs breakfast...

Ammo: 5.56mm and NATO? which 5.56mm round and which NATO round (9mm? 7.62mm?)

Plastic shell casings only have the advantage in that they are lighter so a soldier can carry more, they have no other advantages, metal rounds can actually take higher operating froces than they are subjected to unless you have some super duper new powder (very unliekly unless this is far future tech) plastic cases will make no difference.
Sights: so basically you have taken all the atchments a gun could ahve and lumped them in one? sell it seperatly if it is so good. (IR laser pointers are a bad idea, the US only use them when they know they are fighting an enemy with no tech more modern than an AK47 agaisnt a decent force they light you up like a christmas tree (which is not a good thing).
The detail of the sight are actually rahter cloudy i can sort of gather that it has a basic red dot reflex sight and back up iron sights. you are better off just using a RIS and eltting the user use what sight they want.
The wireless switch is useless, you should never have your hands off your gun so having the controls seperate isn't a good idea, of course the wireless system will give off anice signal to allow enemies to track you with. I'll ignore the biobattery for now.

Realiability: good claims if you can provide soem details about how exactly this is different to the HK M4...
Oh and you cannot promise no jams or miss fires as that is ammo dependent...

Gas: so since you vent all the gas out of a special port at the bottom of the barrel (which incidentially would push the barrel up) how eaxctly does the bullet move? in a proper gun the vast majority of the gas goes out to end of the barrel...

All guns can be fired underwater its just that bullets don't go terribly far...

So a super light gun that claims totally unbeliveably high velcoities for standard ammo (5.56mm NATO maxes out at 3000fps) soemhow manages to get low levels of felt recoil...
(hint: the only way to reduce recoil is to either make the gun heavier, use a lighter bullet or less powder or use a fancy recoil absorption system).

As to the test firer he must have been an afghani hillman who is still impressed by his neighbours shiny new SMLE No.4

other issues:
The M4 does indeed have interchangeable barrels without tools you can convert it into an M16!!! a shrike LMG or even a .50 sniper rifle, heck you can replace any part of the weapon with only basic tools...

Oh and 13" barrels doesn't really work all that well with 5.56mm rounds...

5.000 fps?
Isnt that a bit much for a 5.56mm? I think 3200-3300 would be a more realistic number, there is no cartridge that travels faster than 3250 fps (unless you know more than me offcourse)

And 6 lbs is about 2,7-2,8 kgs
The ammo we have created for this weapon, made of a top secret composite material, achieves this velocity. 'Standard 5.56mm ammo has been recorded at a speed of 3900fps.
The Ishtar, however, does require a specially made magazine.

I'm not sure but since when has firing a machine gun on auto/semi-auto/single shot been enviromentaly friendly? JUst curious thats all.
Environmentally freindly in that the shells starting biodegrading as soon as they hit the ground. And the weapon will not fire uranium rounds or other illegal rounds.

Oh dear this is unfortuantly a bit of a dogs breakfast...

Ammo: 5.56mm and NATO? which 5.56mm round and which NATO round (9mm? 7.62mm?)

Plastic shell casings only have the advantage in that they are lighter so a soldier can carry more, they have no other advantages, metal rounds can actually take higher operating froces than they are subjected to unless you have some super duper new powder (very unliekly unless this is far future tech) plastic cases will make no difference.
Sights: so basically you have taken all the atchments a gun could ahve and lumped them in one? sell it seperatly if it is so good. (IR laser pointers are a bad idea, the US only use them when they know they are fighting an enemy with no tech more modern than an AK47 agaisnt a decent force they light you up like a christmas tree (which is not a good thing).
The detail of the sight are actually rahter cloudy i can sort of gather that it has a basic red dot reflex sight and back up iron sights. you are better off just using a RIS and eltting the user use what sight they want.
The wireless switch is useless, you should never have your hands off your gun so having the controls seperate isn't a good idea, of course the wireless system will give off anice signal to allow enemies to track you with. I'll ignore the biobattery for now.

Realiability: good claims if you can provide soem details about how exactly this is different to the HK M4...
Oh and you cannot promise no jams or miss fires as that is ammo dependent...

Gas: so since you vent all the gas out of a special port at the bottom of the barrel (which incidentially would push the barrel up) how eaxctly does the bullet move? in a proper gun the vast majority of the gas goes out to end of the barrel...

All guns can be fired underwater its just that bullets don't go terribly far...

So a super light gun that claims totally unbeliveably high velcoities for standard ammo (5.56mm NATO maxes out at 3000fps) soemhow manages to get low levels of felt recoil...
(hint: the only way to reduce recoil is to either make the gun heavier, use a lighter bullet or less powder or use a fancy recoil absorption system).

As to the test firer he must have been an afghani hillman who is still impressed by his neighbours shiny new SMLE No.4

other issues:
The M4 does indeed have interchangeable barrels without tools you can convert it into an M16!!! a shrike LMG or even a .50 sniper rifle, heck you can replace any part of the weapon with only basic tools...

Oh and 13" barrels doesn't really work all that well with 5.56mm rounds...
Any 5.56 mm round and both types of Nato rounds can be used with the Ishtar, however, the chamber can be adjusted to the type of round you are using.

From your response, I gather you have spies inside our company.
Indeed, we are using a new type of powder in our plastic shells. But we must stress that we also using a new special composite.
You are correct that we are using a red dot reflex sight with an iron backup. However, that is not the only option available. We also have ultraviolate, laser, and nightvision sights on the weapon. The wireless switch is actually attached to the weapon. And controls which sight apparatus you want to use. And the signal it gives off is strong enough only to be received by the reciever in the sighting system. some one more than 10 feet away from the user would not be able to pick up the extremely faint signal. The no jams or misfires is not a promise but is based on field testing in the most extreme conditions possible, including sandstorms and rainstorms.
The gas port is located at the front end of the barrel.
The underwater velocity of our rounds has been clocked at a velocity of just 1000fps.
The weapon does have a unique recoil system which, when combined with our plastic ammo, which is manufactured by no one else, reduces the recoil considerably. So the mild recoil, as you can see, is produced by using both lighter rounds and a special recoil system, the specs of which are top secret.
We never said the 13" barrel would work well with 5.56mm rounds.
Only that it was one of the barrels available, in addition to the 9 inch, 16in, and 20in barrels.

so why aren't you saying this in your first post?

so why aren't you saying this in your first post?
Left deliberately vague to avoid economic espionage or reverse engineering by competitors.

so why aren't you saying this in your first post?
Left deliberately vague to avoid economic espionage or reverse engineering by competitors.

but you posted it anyways.....

but you posted it anyways.....
your point?

im saying that you have failed to update the information as it was released, your being a bad capitalist.

so why aren't you saying this in your first post?
Left deliberately vague to avoid economic espionage or reverse engineering by competitors.

OOC: And to avoid letting potential customers know what they're getting. :D

OOC: I just noticed that no one has bought the gun either

im saying that you have failed to update teh information as it was released, your being a bad capitalist.
good point.

The Angry Junkies of Rick James Islands wish to order guns. We just need them for protection. I'm sure we can arrange for compensation.

TAJ

The Angry Junkies of Rick James Islands wish to order guns. We just need them for protection. I'm sure we can arrange for compensation.

TAJ
For publicity purposes we are sending you 200 Ishtars, free of charge.

Correction, Rick James Island is now Charlie Murphy Island. Slap. In exchange for the Ishtars we offer your representitive to test firing them on slothful rehabilitation cases. Good fun had by all.

TAJ

I could go through and pick holes in this again but i really can't be bothered i would just offer 1 bit of advice, the only way this could possibly work would be use a caseless round inwhich case the weapon would be pretty much tied to 1 specific round.
other wise you are into the realms of pure future tech.