NationStates Jolt Archive

Allanean Statement re: civil rights situation in Edolia

22-03-2004, 01:01
It is known to us that Edolia has entirely banned the possession of arms on it territory and persecuted the Liberty Group and others for opposing this law. Under our Constitution, however, both the right to free speech and the right to keep and bear arms are sacred and unalienable.

Due to that, our President-for-Life has issued Executive Order No 455-E-60

Under this order, anyone who had been convicted in Edolia under their arms statutes or anyone who can provide proof of persecution due to involvement in the Liberty Group (or any other political body), or anyone who can provide proof of involvement in Operation Gandhi, will be considered a political refugee.
22-03-2004, 01:19
22-03-2004, 01:22
We support absolute free speach, but also absolute ban on civilians owning guns.

We ask Allanea to reconsider their policy on firearms, and ask what in any sane conception equates firearms with freedom.
22-03-2004, 01:42
Official Allanean Government Press Release
We would like to point out that every adult Allanean has the right to do whatever the hell he wishes, unless he hurts somebody doing it.
This is the definition of liberty, and it includes owning weapons.

We would also wish to point out that everybody has a right to life and liberty, and thus a right to defend life and libery - and thus to own means of such defense.

We would further wish to point out that in a proper society, widespread ownership of arms may also serve as a guardian for freedom.

You might think that freedom is not a good idea, but that's what it looks like.
Iron Blood
22-03-2004, 01:43
In Iron Blood, citizens can even own anti tank guns. Yet crime is low. Cause rather than reform criminals we kill them.
22-03-2004, 01:46
Suprisingly, Hattia's laws on gun control are similar to Allanea's. Hattians have had a long and painful history of being exploited and they would rather go out with a bang than go back to the Dark times.
22-03-2004, 01:49
Defend themselves through police hired by their elected Arcology Police Commisioner. Police are quite widespread, and the murder rate in Feline is below one a year. The violent crime rate is below three . The overall crime rate is below seven.

And, if we do come under invasion, and it is sucessful, it is not that hard for the patriotic citizens of our nation to jump a soldier patrolling the narror corridors of our arcologies and grab his weapon.
22-03-2004, 20:21
Feline, this is not the place for such debate. Let me just point out that such is the law in Allanea. We have virtually no violent crime, but property crime is big - criminals prefer to steal rather than rob - robbery is a dangerous occupation here.

We believe the right to arm is a basic human right and we will act on it.
26-03-2004, 12:27
<<OOC: Honestly Allanea. Tell people (i.e. telegram) when you make a post condemning them. I just found out right now that you wrote this.>>

"We don't feel we have to justify our laws to Allaneans. The people of Edolia like to be able to go to bed without worrying that some whacko with a bazooka is going to blow up their house. We wish to reitererate however, that any attempt to 'liberate' the people of Edolia from the laws that they passed themselves will result in harsh penalties for Allaneans involved."
Matthew von Pickett
Minister for Foreign Affairs
26-03-2004, 16:02
Allanea must realize that different people have different ideas of what constitutes rights and how best to defend them and protect them. Allanea must also realize that all sovereign nations have the right to make laws in accordance with their customs and along the lines of their ethics and culture. To condemn another nations laws is ignorant. We are all free to criticize as we please but it only makes Allanea look foolish to protest the laws of another sovereign nation and then pass laws to condemn them. How will changing the law in Allanea change the laws of Edolia? It will not. Edolia and Allanea are both sovereign nations and have the right to enact and enforce laws as they see fit within their own nations.

I would further like to take this time to condemn Allanea. This is the third time that Allanea has condemned either the UnAPS or Edolia. I would like to condemn Allanea for encouraging it's citizens to break another nations laws, I would like to condemn Allanea for arresting another nations ambassador and diplomatic officials and holding them hostage, I would like to condemn Allanea for it's use of nuclear weapons on civilian populations and for encouraging the proliferation of nuclear weapons and I would like to condemn Allanea for it's stark and blatant disregard for democracy and liberty.

In Ilek-Vaad the right to vote is a basic human right. In Allanea it's President is President FOR LIFE. Allanea's system disenfranchises it's voters and denies them liberty by enshrining a single politician in the most important governmental role for life. Allanea has robbed it's own citizens of the right to choose it's own government.

Allanea is a hypocritical , non-democratic, authoritarian despotic state. Allanea is a poor and duplicitous ally. While Ilek-Vaad was allies with Allanea, Allanea managed to kill our Retaliatory Guard while they were in the field actively assisting Allanea's army. Allanea has never explained why they detonated a nuclear device on the battlefield with no warning or consultation with it's allies. Allanea has never apologized for the deaths of 60,000 of our Retaliatory Guard in that nuclear blast. A nation that disenfranchises it's own people and kills it's allies soldiers is a low, and sad thing, worthy of no respect.

All power to the people.

First Republican, Ilek-Vaad
26-03-2004, 16:13
Nuked 2x post.
26-03-2004, 16:14
We discourage people running around armed. We have enough issues with potential idiots who wear suicide vests.
26-03-2004, 17:30
We in Pauldustllah laugh at the government of Allanea for there sheer Patheticness. although we do not support Edolias Actions on this matter they are our friends and we will back them up.

We would like to point out that every adult Allanean has the right to do whatever the hell he wishes, unless he hurts somebody doing it.
This is the definition of liberty, and it includes owning weapons.
So that basicly mean that your citizens are guarenteed these "rights" however you forgot one little detail the people of Edolia are not Allaneaian citizens (unless your hinting somthing.) therefore the only thing you have managed is to show the world how incredably(sp.) stupid you are.

Foreign Minister of Pauldustllah
Austar Union
26-03-2004, 17:35
Johnathon Prosiac, Ambassador to Allanea made only the following response;

"We dont care what the hell you think of civil laws inside a country, our ally. In fact, we dont give a **** what you tink about anything..."
26-03-2004, 18:07
We would like to point out that civil rights are universal. We would also like to point out that our President-for-Life became president for life due to a legally passed (by 75% of the population) constitutional amendment.
26-03-2004, 18:31
So when is he up for re-election? When do the people get a chance to vote him out of office if he does not perform up to their standards? . In Ilek-Vaad the ability to vote and choose one's government is a basic human right., by Allanea's logic, Allanea is trampling their own citizens civil rights because we in Ilek-Vaad have a different standard of civil rights. We demand that according to Allanean logic that free and democratic elections be held every year in Allanea as that is the basic civil right afforded to the citizens in Ilek-Vaad.

Do you now see how absurd that sounds? What right would we have to demand that you change a law that 70% of your people voted for? I understand that in Edolia OVER 70% percent of the people support the weapons ban.

Allanea has yet to answer our other charges of condemnation against them. Allanea's silence is deafening.

First Republican, Ilek-Vaad
26-03-2004, 18:46
No. You see, the right to choose one's government actually a PRIVILEGE - otherewise, tourists from Ilek-Vaad could vote too! - but a right is something every human being can enjoy. An Ilek-Vaadi tourist in Allanea can buy guns too!
26-03-2004, 18:55
No. It is a CIVIL RIGHT, do you know that means? It is the right of a citizen in a nation protected by the government. In Ilek-Vaad choosing one's government is a civil right, owning guns is a privilege. It is a legal and cultural difference, that is our point. You called the right to own weapons a civil right, the very definition of civil rights is: right or rights belonging to a person by reason of citizenship. In Edolia, the citizens have the civil right to be protected from gun violence. You are simply showing that you do not even know what civil rights are and that your argument is purely spurious.

You have also neglected to answer our other charges again. Your duplicity spawns lies borne of ignorance.

First Republican, Ilek-Vaad
26-03-2004, 19:19
Ilek Vaad, you can also see from archives that the first nuclear charge was detonated by the Yurkans.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed
26-03-2004, 19:40
You stated earlier that you were talking about Civil Rights, are you now talking about inalienable rights? I do not recognize the document that you are quoting. We know full who detonated the nuclear device on the battlefield that killed our troops. That device was rigged by the Allanean armed forces to a negotitaor that Allanea sent into Yurkan enemy territory.

Your statements remain unintelligible and convoluted.

First Republican Ilek-Vaad

OOC: IRL the LEGAL definition of Civil Rights is:right or rights belonging to a person by reason of citizenship.

The inalienable right that was mentioned in the declaration of independance is the inalienable right of people to throw off a government that ignores it's duties and does not guarantee civil rights to it's citizens. i.e. American Colonists WERE citizens of Great Britain, but did not have the right to vote or due process affordedto citizens of Great Britain elsewhere.

Anyhow, IC, no one in Ilek-Vaad has ever heard of america or any of it's documents.
26-03-2004, 21:12
"We condemn the lies spouted by the Allanean representative. Whether or not they attempt to claim that the Yurkans detonated the first nuclear missile, the fact is that it was Allanea, our 'ally.' It was Allanea who rigged the bomb, it was Allanea who intentionally brought it to the battlefield and it was Allanea that was responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of Ilek-Vaadians, hundreds of Edolians and hundreds upon hundreds of millions of Yurkans in the resulting nuclear exchange. It seems that Allanea has no more respect for the truth than it does for the rights of its people or the innocent lives of the hundreds of millions of children that it has killed."
Matthew von Pickett
Minister for Foreign Affairs