NationStates Jolt Archive

Port-Allanea

Today, we witness a body of states who call themselves progressives - nay! - even liberal - unite themselves into a single alliance. Officially, that group is defensive only - but we wonder, why those marks of enmity? Why condemn the New Conservative Alliance? Why condemn Arda? Why condemn Melkor Unchained? I would note, that Allanea, while a liberal nation, maintains good relations with all three.
Oh, and of liberalism. Some may think that support of welfare programs will render one instantly liberal. NO. That is only part of it, and this is not enough. Liberal mean supporting freedom, too. You think Edolia supports freedom, with their forcible disarmament of Axackal? I don't think so. And I don't think any of the other UnAPS nations are about freedom.

Today, I declare raising the import tariff on all UnAPS goods to the level of 35% (Edolian Goods - to 30%). This is our first action. We hope others won't need to follow.

<<OOC: I think Feline is the only nation in the UnAPS that actually trades with you... so those tarrifs mean nothing.>>

"This raises the level of distrust between Allanea and Edolia to a whole new level. How sad that the mistakes of foolish leaders result in the punishment of their people."
Matthew von Pickett
Minister for Foreign Affairs

"What is he talking about? The UnAPS a liberal alliance? We have an NCA nation in it, for crying out loud!"
Nikita von Gerburg
Ambassador to the UnAPS Alliance

"Melkor Unchained and Arda are well known as perhaps the most evil of all nations in the world. If the Allaneans believe that the UnAPS is opposing them out of some sort of twisted and unfounded bias against their nations, perhaps they should read up on their history. Melkor and his allies are responsible for the deaths of untold millions of people and are perhaps the worst commiters of genocide ever to exist, killing any and all elves that cross their paths. The UnAPS will always stand strong against aggressors such as Melkor, Fantasan, Allanea, the Bovine Menace and any other nation that attacks without provocation."
Matthew von Pickett
Minister for Foreign Affairs [Again]

"With the announcement of these actions taken by the government of Allanea, we are immediately taking the action of removing our embassy from Allanea and cutting all diplomatic ties. Allaneans arrested under gun smuggling charges are to be held in Edolia until we see fit to release them and security along the Allanean-Edolian border is to be increased significantly."
Terrence von Nublis
Minister for International Justice

<<OOC: See the gun smuggling thread.>>

Official UnAPS Response

Why condemn Arda? The answer is simple enough. These nations have a long history of oppression, imperialism, and other such evils. They have bullied smaller and less powerful nations, committing countless atrocities against civilians in the process. A better question would be why Allanea, a "liberal" nation that claims to support freedom, would not condemn Arda.

The answer, of course, is that while Allanea may allow its citizens a great degree of personal freedom, they are guilty of many of these same offense. Blackmail, imperialism, genocide. These are not merely the crimes of Arda. Allanea has signed its name to every one of them, and made itself as deserving of our condemnation as any nation in Arda.

Rick Kastner
UnAPS Secretary of Diplomacy

Official Goobergunchian Response

We are saddened that the tensions between Allanea and the UnAPS have grown to this level. We urge both sides to consider that their common values are greater than the differences that divide them.

Furthermore, we recommend the following course of action:

The lowering of tariffs on all goods between Allanea and UnAPS nations, and the re-emergency of freer trade between the nations in question.
The re-establishment of diplomatic ties between the nations in question.
The release of Allanean nationals held by the Edolian government.


We continue in our condemnation of Arda, as well as Fantasan.

James Carenthas
Special Envoy to Axackal and Vicinity
Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary

"We believe that our friends in Goobergunchia should take a stronger position on this matter. Allanea has had no quarrels with the UnAPS and relations were improving between Edolia and Allanea until this incident. However, with Allanea throwing its lot in with Arda, we cannot continue diplomatic relations. This was a long time in coming but a nation as aggresive and imperialistic as Allanea is at odds with the ideal of the United Union of Progressive States."
Matthew von Pickett
Minister for Foreign Affairs

<<OOC: Are you still a part of UnAPS, Goober? I don't think you ever officially left; just went away and became isolationist.>>

Official Knootian response

“We are saddened by this move. Especially the instigating of economic sanctions without any previous reason against our nation and against our alliance is regrettable.

It is especially ironic that the government of Allanea presumes to teach us lessons on liberalism while choking off the lifeblood of liberty: free trade. The diversity in the alliance alone proves that all sorts of nations – from capitalist to communist – can work together in defence of freedom.

I have received word from Ambassador Visser, the Knootian Director of Membership of the UnAPS alliance, that just [18 RL hours ago] the Allanean government had telegrammed us with a request to join. I can now inform the world on behalf of the Director that this request has been officially denied based on the actions of the Allanean government.

This is one of the first instances where we, as a nation, will have to enact our foreign policy of “Only through open markets.” I hereby request that the import tariffs on all Knootian goods will be lowered from the absurdly high level of 35% to normal levels within a period of three weeks. Should this not be done we will be forced to enact similar sanctions against the Free Republic. Should sanctions not be returned to normal in the long run we will support any embargo that may be enacted by the Alliance as a consequence.

I strongly implore the Allanean government to cooperate. Should it prove too difficult to reach an agreement we would suggest using the UN Mediation council ((from Lavenrunz)) as the appropriate medium for resolving this dispute.

~Galadriël Táralóm nos Cirdan

82nd Order of the 217th High Council

The Orders of Neutrality and Isolation (HCO-215-{3,4,5})are hereby waived with regards to the United Alliance of Progressive States.

APPROVED,
Martin Goobergunch, PRESIDENT.

[ooc: Edolia, t-grams.]

Response from Foreign Affairs Ministry, Osaria

As we can see the beliefs of the Allanean government regarding the UnAPS alliance, we are much dissatisfied and saddened by this aggressive wording by the Allanean government, and the sudden economic restriction on participants of the alliance. As we are aware that relations between Edolia and Allanea is slowly developing, we are much worried that relations between them are once again frozen, and the sudden display of disfavor and condemnation at UnAPS.

But, as it seems that the Allanea government, which is right now condemning UnAPS, has most of its accusions based on assumptions. While the alliance, as a whole, does disfavor bodies of nations such as Arda and those who seeks to disrupt peace, the Allanean government is appearing to be thinking that once one disfavors a particular nation or bodies of nations, they seek war with them. It also seems that the Allanean government are thinking that once a nation dislikes another nation or bodies of nations, they are warmongerers. It always has been in the policies of Omzian Nation to seek peace first and to avoid unnecessary hostilities, which will save lives, perserving the economy, and perserving a state of peace and co-existance. We are much sure that our counterparts in UnAPS thinks likewise as well, as UnAPS is not a warmongering alliance seeking to destroy certain opponents. After all, condemning and declaration of war are two entirely different concepts.

It also seems that Allanea has forgotten that free trade is part of liberalism, and instead tries to show us its civil rights while violating economic freedoms themselves. While one nation may respect civil rights, it doesn't encessarily mean that the same nation would not enforce its dictatorship government and purge all political and ethnic opponents, and commit international blackmail and imperalism. It does not necessarily mean mean that a nation which maintains its so-called "master race" or "the rightful government" does not respect basic civil rights and personal freedoms too. Civil rights is just one element.

We strongly urge the Allanean government to coopreate and to lower the tarriff from a ridiculous level of thirty-five percent on Omzian goods. If this is not lowered, we may as well follow suit and enact our own restrictions.

UnAPS Affairs Office,
Ministry of Foreign Affairs

Statement of the Allanean President-for-Life

It has been the belief of the current administration that the aforementioned nations, being allies of Allanea, had to be supported by us. Such is the world, that if one does not honour his promises towards others, others will not honour theirs.

Under executive order A-45-67-O, we order the detainment of all Edolian governmetn officials still in Allanea until the release of our citizens. We note, that by failing to release our citizens as promised, the Edolians have, once again, violated our agreeements.

Under executive order A-45-68-O, we also order the procurement of 1,000 Anne Coulter MK. II fighter-bombers.

By order of the Department of Foreign Affairs, the Copiosa Scotian embassy in Allanea has been closed. All embassy staff are to leave Allanea within 24 hours.

Galadriël makes her way to the outer buildings of the ministry of Foreign Affairs, she is trailed by a host of journalists. Finally, she stops at what she thinks is a suitable location: a small brush in a piece of green before the ministry. A Knootian flag flappers silently in the distance.

When told about the first response by the Allanean President by a journalist she frowns – this was new to her also. The eyes of the conservative elf burn with a fiery passion, if there was ever a reason to believe elves and Romulans to be related it would be now.

“If it is as you put it now then I think this is an unwise move by the Allaneans.” Her voice drips with understatement. Looking up a bit more hopefully she adds: “I still hope that things can be resolved and I so hope that they will at least publicly accept or deny mediation by the council. I have no reason to believe they are such unreasonable people. Its not as if our governments are all too different.“

The journalists ask more questions.

“Yes, I regret what has been done to Edolian government officials. I do implore their government not to behave like a rogue nation, forcing us to use similar measures. Surely we are all more civilised then that. No further questions please.”

Briskly she walks on, inside.

We will accept mediation. Our demands currently are:

1. Release of all hostages, compensation to hostages.
2. Public apology to hostages.
3. Public apology to Iron Blood.

Damn, it didn't post. Whatever, it was basically what everyone else said...

Anne Coulter Fighter Bombers? That sounds like something a liberal would have... :roll:

As a jesture of goodwill, we will end tarriffs on all UNaPS nations but Edolia.

"The Knootian government is very glad that the gloomy prospect of economic sanctions has been prevented. We hope to retain cordially neutral relations with the free republic. We also hope that the bilateral problems between Edolia and Allanea will be resolved as soon as possible in a rational manner."
~Foreign ministry public statement released mere minutes after the Allanean gesture.

We can handle the tariffs, as we do not conduct any legitimate trade with Allanea. However, the siezure of Edolian government officials is unacceptable. In response we are ejecting any Allanean nationals from our nation, including Allanean ambassadors and staff.

Asiya Saleh,
Dutchess Alexandria,
Director of Diplomatic Services

We are pleased to observe the lifting of Allanean sanctions and continue to hope that a peaceful solution to this dispute may be reached.

Colin Clayton
Goobergunchian Foreign Minister

((SS, the tariff issue has been solved.))

[Did you read my post? I don't have a problem with the tariffs, it's the practical hostage-taking that pisses me off.]

OOC: Now I see why you wanted those carriers s quickly. I must warn you, I am politically involved in this...
IC:
The Ineffable Empire, and The GDODAD support the actions taken by Allanea, in an attempt to have their citizens returned.
Let it be known that, if it comes to open war, Allanea shall be defended by the might of The Ineffable Empire.

"The Omzian Republic is too, pleased by actions the government Allanea is undertaking to life sanctions. However, we must wish that the dispute between Edolia and Allanea will be resolved in a peaceful approach quickly, to avoid hostilities."

UnAPS Affairs Office,
Omzian Foreign Affairs Ministry

The Ineffable Empire, and The GDODAD support the actions taken by Allanea, in an attempt to have their citizens returned.
Let it be known that, if it comes to open war, Allanea shall be defended by the might of The Ineffable Empire.

Only the GDODAD would suggest that a diplomatic crisis could so thoroughly devolve. However, we would remind our Ineffible Nemesis that given geopolitical borders, we could feasably end the war before any GDODAD nation could send any aid to Allanea. But that's all a moot point, because all of us know that UnAPS doesn't want to mobilize to crush Allanea and Allanea doesn't want to be steamrolled... again.

Asiya Saleh,
Dutchess Alexandria,
Director of Diplomatic Services

<<OOC: Also posted in the gun smuggling thread.>>

We wish to protest the detention of Edolian embassy staff in Allanea. They, unlike the smugglers captured in Axackal, have commited no crimes. We are currently debating what actions to take but we expect that until a decision is reached, the captives taken by the rogue Allanean regime will be treated humanely.

Furthermore, the demands made by the Allaneans for the compensation of the arrested smugglers are ridiculous and unacceptable. Our government refuses to compensate those who break Edolian laws, nor will we apologize to warmongering imperialists. We would be willing to a full exchange of prisoners, however. All Allaneans within Edolia would be allowed to leave in exchange for all Edolians within Allanea. We believe that this is more than reasonable on our part."
Matthew von Pickett
Minister for Foreign Affairs

"In response to the massive Allanean military build-up, we are working on a large Axackali defensive project, the details which will be announced shortly but will almost certainly involve the construction of some four hundred additional heavy Titan guns throughout Axackal. These would give us the capability to begin heaving bombardment of anywhere within Allanea in a matter of minutes after hostilities are declared.

All Edolian military units within Axackal are on high alert."
Thomas von Leifric
Minister of War

It is clear that Allanea does not know the structure of the UnAPS alliance. He accuses us of Imperialism on our own grounds but provides "evidence" (if it is called that) upon Edolia.

As Phyrric is the Secretary of War and has been since the founding, the alliance of UnAPS has not been mobilized in any such wars for Phyrric would have been called to duty to go kick some serious ass. As Phyrric has never been called to such duty, where is this evidence of such Imperialism and Warmongering?

Nations can act on their own accord, there is nothing in our charter that prohibits this. If you have an issue with Edolia, it is with Edolia and do not state the alliance as a whole. We will support eachother, but call dogs of war and you shall be rewarded.

TST, it would be wise to back away from this one.

It's been some time since we have had relations with the nation of Allanea due to their previous use of nuclear weapons in situations we felt they were not required Iuthia already has a trade embargo in place with Allanea...

However, it's been sometime and we may re-evaluate this decision should Allanea release the Edolian citizens they have under arrest.

Meanwhile we would prefer that our Edolian allies show the same good will and release the Allanea citizens, for the good of diplomacy.


Finally I would like to note that we do not like all this talk of "War" as it would seem this situation is along way from becoming that dire... I would prefer that the idea of war stays a distant possiblity, if not a possibility at all.

Thanks,

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Lord General deGritz, leader of the Iuthian people.
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Allanean Govenrment official Press Release

We would like to point out that at least two of the Edolian hostages (the HalfBridges) are totally innocent. Also, the release of the prisoners was conditional on us passing the export ban. We will agree to the exchange of prisoners, but you should be warned that the A-NRA is preparing a Supreme Court Challenge to the export ban - and if the government won't hire the best attorneys it can get, they WILL get the export ban overturned.

The tariffs will stay until Edolia apologises to the prisoners AND to Iron Blood.

All property of the Edolian Embassy has been confiscated. Proceeds will be used to pay the compensations to the Allanean hostages.

An EA-80 cargo plane will bring the Edolians over the Straights tomorrow.

"The Halfbridges are being detained as they were in conspiracy with Edolian and Allanean smugglers to disrupt Edolian laws.

All Allanean prisoners will be returned to Allanea by tomorrow. They have been well treated.

We wish to reiterate that tarrrifs are no matter to us as trade with Allanea is illegal.

We are quite pleased to see that this situation is improving. Perhaps if the Allaneans agree to retract all statements of hostility with the UnAPS, we can being a process of normalizing relations."
Matthew von Pickett
Minister for Foreign Affairs

"The Halfbridges are being detained as they were in conspiracy with Edolian and Allanean smugglers to disrupt Edolian laws.

All Allanean prisoners will be returned to Allanea by tomorrow. They have been well treated.

We wish to reiterate that tarrrifs are no matter to us as trade with Allanea is illegal.

We are quite pleased to see that this situation is improving. Perhaps if the Allaneans agree to retract all statements of hostility with the UnAPS, we can being a process of normalizing relations."
Matthew von Pickett
Minister for Foreign Affairs

"We believe you don't understand. We want all our prisoners free - including the Halfbridges, as they are innocent of your accusation. Furthermore, we need the fighter plane back."

Boris Karpa,
President-for-Life

"Allanea, for this and the Axackal incident, although they are connected, we are revoking your exemption from our trade embargo on NCA nations. This leaves only people who are joint members of the UnAPS and NCA on the exemption list.

We stand for freedom. You stand for firearms, which have nothing to do with freedom. Guns at large within a society only promote fear, which is counteractive to freedom. Cats (describing our nationality) live without fear and walk the corridors of our arcologies because they know that police are there with weapons, ready to protect them, and anyone who wishes them harm is unarmed.

We stand by our allies and advise Edolia not to release any of the gun smugglers."

Kitty Govga
Feline Minister of Diplomacy

As Lietuveska was the first to bring attention to UnAPS that Allanea had placed alliance-wide sanctions, it is our duty to allow this to finish peacefully, and completely.

We voice what our allies have before, and the USSL was largely unaffected by the sanctions, as we do not, and never have, traded with Allanea.

However, the seizing of Edolian officials with no grounds other than that they are Edolian is a breach of human rights. No charges have been pressed, to our knowledge, and there is no basis for the immediate detaining of Edolian government officials. It truly angers Lietuveska that a nation would even think to commit such an atrocious crime.

It is highly ironic that Allanea claims to be the true liberal. What liberal nation would ever detain another's citizens with absolutely no basis? What "liberal" nation that supports human, civil, and political rights would ally itself with Arda and the GDODAD? The answer is quite simple. There is none.

We politely urge that Allanea release Edolian citizens immediately. Edolia has detained Allanean citizens with a true basis. They have been charged with smuggling, and are being detained until further notice, according to the Edolian Ministry for International Justice.

It is our hope that this conflict may end happily, and we encourage our ally Edolia to do what it must to help ease the conflict. With confidence and peace, the world may be truly stable.

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The Allanean President-for-Life laugh hysterically as he reads the Feline message.

Official Statement from the Allanean President-for-Life

We would like to thank Kitty Govga for providing us a brief moment of levity in those difficult times.

Boris Karpa
Allanean President-for-Life

"Levity? You call my statement levity? I demand an immediate apology from the Allanean leader."

Allanean Government official Statement to Lietuveska

You would be well-served to know that Melkor Unchained is one of the few nations that have almost completely eliminated the concept of "victimless crime" - that means all those imprisoned in MU or Allanea had actually harmed others. That's more than you can expect of Edolia.

You would also be well-served to know that the Edolian officials were not even thinking of charging Allanea's most famous lawyer with anything until the diplomatic crisis began. We're currently detaining the Edolians while our Deparment of Justice is examining a possibility of charges under Public Law 445-41 - "Conspiracy to Violate Civil Rights".

So you are charging Edolians for following their own laws...?

If by "victimless crime" you mean drug use, it does have a victim. Many in fact: all the sapient beings in the world. Drug use limits a person's lifespan, their intelligence, and their physical capabilities. All this is counteractive to progress.

"We wish to reiterate that all Allaneans will be released back to their home country. We were merely explaining our reasoning for detaining the Halfbridges as well. We are also offering asylum to all non-criminal Allaneans currently within the country, excepting diplomatic staff who have already left the country unmolested *Casts a significant look around.*

Finally, we wish to pat the people of Feline on the back and give them our moral support. Five kilos of fine Edolian catnip has been sent to Kitty Govga, wrapped nicely and placed in a basket. We hope that he (or is it she) enjoys it."
Matthew von Pickett
Minister for Foreign Affairs

<<OOC: Hmm... that post was semi-OOC I think. I guess I'm just getting lazy.>>

"In regards to the most recent statements by the Allanean government, the lawyer (whose first name is still unknown) was arrested in connection with his brother and after a tip by two Edolian lawyers assigned to work with him.

And we expect that all Edolians will be released, just as we are releasing all Allaneans within our nation."
Terrence von Nublis
Minister for International Justice

OOC: Catnip has no negetive or addictive effects.

IC:

Minister Govga sends her thanks for the catnip. She is currently rolling around in it.

If by "victimless crime" you mean drug use, it does have a victim. Many in fact: all the sapient beings in the world. Drug use limits a person's lifespan, their intelligence, and their physical capabilities. All this is counteractive to progress.

We would like to point out that such is not always true, and that a human being body and life is his to do with as he pleases.

We would also like to point out that the War on Drugs leads to violations of civil rights of other form, such as weakening of the protection against unlawful search.

We await with impatience tomorrow - the Day of Release.

We would also like to clarify that our previous press release did not intend to condemn the existence of the UNAPS as a whole, but only their policy with regards to our allies and friends.

Not a war on drugs, but making them illicit and making all users report to rehab.

OOC: Catnip has no negetive or addictive effects.

IC:

Minister Govga sends her thanks for the catnip. She is currently rolling around in it.

OOC: Lol, I love cats. As a matter of fact, mine is bothering me for my pizza right now. :)

IC: In Hattia, most drugs are legal but discouraged, we have anti drug ads and state subsidized (Of course) rehab for anyone who wants it.

<<OOC: Edolia's drug laws are extremely lax. Most drugs are legal and those that aren't don't carry a very heavy penalty.

But let's keep on topic.>>

Well, we have no drugs exept cigars and alchohol(sp?). No others, because cigarettes are stupid, and any illegal smugglers are shot on site.
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Press Release from Derscon Minister of Foreign Affairs

The Exhalted Holy Emperor of Derscon, as a member of GDODAD, supports Allanea in her methods to get her people back, but condemns the legallity of drugs like those. As such, the Exhalted One will stand nutural in this incident unless GDODAD, or any alliance of Metus acts.

Yuri Ivanovich
Derscon Minister of Foreign Affairs.

tag (war?)

alliance of Metus?

OCC: wow i so don't want to get involved in this but when the name GDODAD and ARDA show it makes me angry that they are getting involved in something like this just increases tensions between nations, I have relations to both sides involved but have my strongest relations with Edolia and with GDODAD and ARDA showing there face on Allanea side it calling me to jump on board and help Edolia in this situation with the RBA, i will contact Russian Forces about this as it is interesting and something needs to be done.

OCC: wow i so don't want to get involved in this but when the name GDODAD and ARDA show it makes me angry that they are getting involved in something like this just increases tensions between nations, I have relations to both sides involved but have my strongest relations with Edolia and with GDODAD and ARDA showing there face on Allanea side it calling me to jump on board and help Edolia in this situation with the RBA, i will contact Russian Forces about this as it is interesting and something needs to be done.

<<OOC: Er... don't worry about it. It doesn't look like it's going to get into a war situation and to be honest, I'm not sure I really want RF getting involved if it does.>>

The Minister of Foreign Affairs stepped into the ante-chamber of the House of the Republic and makes a statement to the gathered reporters.

"I feel that we in Ilek-Vaad must clarify our stance on Allanea. Allanea was designated as an enemy of the Republic some years ago. We do not have diplomatic relations with Allanea, we do not trade with Allanea."

"We took this unusual step to designate Allanea as an enemy of the Republic because of Allanea's shameful, duplicitous and appalling actions while we were actively allied to Allanea. We had come to the support of Allanean and Edolian forces and with the addition of our Retaliatory Guard victory was certain, when Allanea detonated nuclear weapons on the battlefield and then proceeded to bomb the enemy out of existance. We suffered 60,000 losses from our 'allies' actions."

"The nuclear strikes were without warning to friend and foe, and killed mainly civilians. This cation was particularly baffling as the war was being won handily, and a nuclear strike was beyond comprehension. For these actions, Allanea is our enemy. Allanea has made no steps to reconcile this or to even ever explain their actions. would hope that any nation rushing to Allanea's defence would take this as a lesson."

"It is alway our hope that diplomacy trumps war, and we are willing to meet with delegations of any nation to prevent war. But this will not change the fact that we do not now, nor do plan to normalize relations with the Allaneans."

"Any questions?"

Official release from the Kremlin:

"It has come to our attention that the situation between Allanea and the degenerates may escelate into armed conflict. It should be made clear that if a war does occur, Iron Blood shall fully support Allanea, and allies from The Great Plain or other alliances may be brought into the war if necessary. This liberal agression against Allanea shall not be tolerated, and the Premier has ordered the deployment of Bisonic troops to Allanea to aid in the defense of the country should it be attacked. If a war occurs, the Edolian government, along with other governments of expansionist countries, shall be liquidated and their armies decimated. If they fight on the beaches, on the hills, and on the streets, we will destroy the beaches, the hills, and the streets. Victory will come at any cost."

"After a proposal by the General Staff to send troops to Allanea was approved by both Iron Blood and Allanea, it has been announced that the Shock Army, as well as approximately 3,000 various SAM batteries, and various coastal defence batteries shall be deployed to Allanea ASAP. There is currently a massive airlift operation by Iron Blood's strategic transport force (we hope that Allanea joins in) involving thousands of planes, and as many planes shall be borrowed from allies as necessary to complete the operation in a swift manner. It is very likely that spetsnaz [special forces] shall also be deployed to Allanea."

"We bid you all good day."

(OOC: It's a wasted effort, IB. No one's going to pay any attention to you.)

(OOC: It's a wasted effort, IB. No one's going to pay any attention to you.)
(OOC:
And then, it goes down the drain to ignorefest, most likely)

OOC: Not really, I mean if all Allanea's allies want to ignore us because we are ignoring you Bisons then that's their problem.

But otherwise I think the entire UnAPS alliance has chosen to ignore you... at least, all the members I've spoken with.

OOC:
Edolia said hed defend if I attacked him, though he woudlnt get much pleasure out of it, and hes the main one going to war with Edolia. Hence well see who steamrolls who.

(OOC: It's a wasted effort, IB. No one's going to pay any attention to you.)
(OOC:
And then, it goes down the drain to ignorefest, most likely)

(OOC: Don't flatter yourself. I doubt anyone on the other side really cares whether you participate or not.)

OOC: Not really, I mean if all Allanea's allies want to ignore us because we are ignoring you Bisons then that's their problem.

But otherwise I think the entire UnAPS alliance has chosen to ignore you... at least, all the members I've spoken with.

That is true, we all know that iron blood is bisons and that means an ignore is in order.

<<OOC: If it was just me, I would fight him (and probably regret that decision later when it ends in an ignore-fest). But it's not just me. I've got to say though... it's not really like he needs DT for it to be a big war... If he was his only ally, I would say "fine," but Allanea has plenty more non-controversial allies that he can call up. Bisons isn't going to make a difference except to reduce the validitiy of the RP.

I may or may not write up an IC response later.>>

<<OOC: If it was just me, I would fight him (and probably regret that decision later when it ends in an ignore-fest). But it's not just me. I've got to say though... it's not really like he needs DT for it to be a big war... If he was his only ally, I would say "fine," but Allanea has plenty more non-controversial allies that he can call up. Bisons isn't going to make a difference except to reduce the validitiy of the RP.

I may or may not write up an IC response later.>>

OOC:
How about this- I put them under Allaneas control. He uses them how he wants, and if he writes several pages t descirbe how his generals shaved that morning, let him.

OOC: From what I've read he has enough allies to be fine without you. But you are missing the point... we are ignoring you and your forces, so just putting them under Allanea's comand will not be acceptable.

If he, for some reason, wants to pursue a war with UnAPS (personally I've rather not have a war) then he will have to accept that we will not RP with any part of Iron Blood/New Bisons because we refuse to fight any part of you.

Of course, I don't speak for the entire alliance but I'm pretty sure they would agree.

[Indeed, you've already threatened to use nukes, so I see no need to give you reasonable doubt. As you've said before, you don't RP, so don't insinuation yourself into a perfectly good RP

IV, don't provoke Allanea. If you want to be belligerent, do it through the diplomatic route. Fucking with people's heads is more effective anyway.]

((I ignore Bisons/Dark Terror/Iron Blood in all its incarnations. And its more or less alliance policy too. Please, if anyone wants to argue me over it send me a telegram))
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There was remarkably little from the Knootian government on the hostage situation, as if politicians were painfully avoiding the subject. A more observant journalist, however, would note Knootian strategists, advisors and ministers flurrying in and out of the UnAPS headquarters like it was a busy till... obviously they were on to something.

((OOC: I believe that particular Iron Blood quote was taken out of context.))

Fox News, Allanea

Today, the Allanean EA-80 carrying out Edolian guests is flying off to the Edolian Capital. The ex-Edolian embassy building was purchased by a private interests. Once the hostages are returned from Edolia, the money will be divided among them.

In other news, thousands of citizens hail the arrival of the Iron Blood Shock Army, which is being deployed along the Axackal borders, along with 500,000 Allanean troops. The 5th Armoured Division and the 7th Armoured Division, containing 1,000 Black Eagle tanks, stand at the ready on the border.

OOC:
I thought the UnAPS was pursuing a war with Allanea, not vice versa. In which case the defender (allanea) chooses whether to accept my forces or not. If that is incorrect then nevermind..

The golden walls of the Imperial Palace echo with the sounds of debate; the Imperial Diet is in a meeting. The Emperor has called a hearing about the Allanean situation.

One man in the Diet stands, bows, and begins his proposition. "It is to my understanding, my Lord, that the Allaneans have smuggled weapons into Edolia. We can not support such criminal actions! I demand that the Empire remain neutral in the possible conflict, if not invade Allanea!" After he sits down, with the Emperor's bidding, another man rises.

"Though Allanea may have smuggled weapons into Edolia,to my understanding the Edolians have arrested many people that were visiting Allanea, many not even invloved in the trouble. I say at the bare minumum the Empire at least sends its support for Allanea"

"Let us have a vote on what we do-vote for either the first or second course-get a move on! The EMperor has spoken!"

Half an hour later, the votes were in. "The Diet has spoken- 1463 votes for Allanea, 1037 against. Because the numbers in this hearing are not high enough to declare war the Empire will declare its support of Allanea"

The next day the Emperor appeared on television.

"As decided by the Imperial Diet yesterday, the Empire supports the Allanean cause to return the Allaneans home. At this point we are unsure if the Empire will pledge much military aid, but that may be seen later."

After ending the speach the Emporer issued the following document to be sent to his commanders.

GU: Nxx SJ Pbzznaqref
SEBZ: GUR RZCREBE

Nxx Pbzznaqref ner gb cercner sbe jne gb qrsraq Nyynarn. Nxx jnrcbf ner gu or enrql. Ab rkpcgvbf.

OOC:
I thought the UnAPS was pursuing a war with Allanea, not vice versa. In which case the defender (allanea) chooses whether to accept my forces or not. If that is incorrect then nevermind..

[ Just because a nation puts troops in one of its holdings doesn't mean that we're pursuing anything close to a war. This situation has been going along nice and diplomatically until you came along and threw a wrench into the works.

As for the latter issue, Allanea can't decide that it's our policy to accept that you exist. He's perfectly free to do so, but we don't acknowledge you and likely never will unless you show some serious RP talent.]

More news on this - here:

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=133933

Just noting that Goobergunchia does not recognize Iron Blood and has an eject-on-sight regional policy towards him....

This has been an OOC post.

"Though Allanea may have smuggled weapons into Edolia,to my understanding the Edolians have arrested many people that were visiting Allanea, many not even invloved in the trouble. I say at the bare minumum the Empire at least sends its support for Allanea."
<<OOC: If you read what I wrote, Edolia didn't arest anyone who didn't have anything to do with the smuggling. Allanea was the nation that arrested all Edolian diplomatic staff. And we already released the prisoners... Nevertheless...>>

"We condemn the blatant warmongering by our former friends in Fluffywuffy. We are also deeply saddened by their change of heart. They would do well not to abandon their friends in the future. Soon they will find that they have none and all those who have been cast away will rise up and take their vengeance."
Matthew von Pickett
Minister for Foreign Affairs

"Though Allanea may have smuggled weapons into Edolia,to my understanding the Edolians have arrested many people that were visiting Allanea, many not even invloved in the trouble. I say at the bare minumum the Empire at least sends its support for Allanea."
<<OOC: If you read what I wrote, Edolia didn't arest anyone who didn't have anything to do with the smuggling. Allanea was the nation that arrested all Edolian diplomatic staff. And we already released the prisoners... Nevertheless...>>

"We condemn the blatant warmongering by our former friends in Fluffywuffy. We are also deeply saddened by their change of heart. They would do well not to abandon their friends in the future. Soon they will find that they have none and all those who have been cast away will rise up and take their vengeance."
Matthew von Pickett
Minister for Foreign Affairs

OOC:
Going diplomatically? With the occasional threat to steamroll Allanea, yes it is. :roll:

In the event that it does go diplomatically, I wont make a difference, as Im only supporting allanea if he gets attacked.

OOC:
Going diplomatically? With the occasional threat to steamroll Allanea, yes it is. :roll:

In the event that it does go diplomatically, I wont make a difference, as Im only supporting allanea if he gets attacked.

<<OOC: When did we threaten to steamroll Allanea? We said only that we would if they started a war.>>

Port-Allanea

Today, we witness a body of states who call themselves progressives - nay! - even liberal - unite themselves into a single alliance. Officially, that group is defensive only - but we wonder, why those marks of enmity? Why condemn the New Conservative Alliance? Why condemn Arda? Why condemn Melkor Unchained? I would note, that Allanea, while a liberal nation, maintains good relations with all three.
Oh, and of liberalism. Some may think that support of welfare programs will render one instantly liberal. NO. That is only part of it, and this is not enough. Liberal mean supporting freedom, too. You think Edolia supports freedom, with their forcible disarmament of Axackal? I don't think so. And I don't think any of the other UnAPS nations are about freedom.

Today, I declare raising the import tariff on all UnAPS goods to the level of 35% (Edolian Goods - to 30%). This is our first action. We hope others won't need to follow.


As the other members of UnAPS have already pointed out, there is plenty of reason to condemn Melkor Unchained and Arda... at least for nations that have any pride in caring for their people. Whether you fall into that category or not is another matter.

Secondly, while many of the members of UnAPS are liberal, there are quite a few that are not, and thus it is not legitimate to call us a "liberal" alliance.

The only thing your statement has done is further decrease intelligent nations' respect for you, Allanea.

--President Edwardo Sanchez

(OOC: Sorry, a tad late in responding here...)

OOC: If it does come to war, we will take Bisons. We only ignore him if he starts all sorts of crap like a nuke 20km from his capital not affecting it.

OOC:
Well, I wont support him if he starts the war.

Anyway, until you decide to actually try and carry out your threat of steamrolling Allanea, Ill stop clogging the thread up.

OOC: no one has threatened to 'steamroll' Allanea. No one has even threatened war.