NationStates Jolt Archive

Scellian Space Systems

Due to the recent avaliblity of construction yards and production facilities in space the cost for space bases ships has been reduced to unbelievable levels. Scellia is now able to offer an array of space based ships and systems at cost only a fraction of what was previously thought, however not all systems will be for sale immediately. Also the station is only now getting underway, so no item can be sold until 3/24/04 RL time, and the limited size of the shipyard mean that only so much can be processed at one time. Advance orders are being accepted now.


The Technology

Aerospike Engines (http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/space/propul/XRS2200.html): An advanced system that burns standard fuels, but in a much more controlled and powerful way then other rocker engines.

Ion Engines (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/11/031121072826.htm): The Ion engine is a long lasting but relatively low thrust engine for long trips. The Scellian version mounts several ionization acceleration grids making the engine much longer but more powerful. Also the Scellian design accelerates more particals at once, reducing fuel effiency but increasing acceleration.

Mk 1 Missile Tube: Can fire the SM-1 Missile. 10 RPM, basic electromegnetic launch system to supplement the missiles engine.

SHEL/THEL: The Strategic High Energy Laser and Tactical High Energy Laser. The THEL was developed for ground use on low flying target, the SHEL was meant to be reactor fed high powered laser meant to shoot down missiles is flight. Has a range of 100 km in space, not meant ofr atmospheric work.

BPXL Warheads: BPXL stands for Bomb Pumped X-ray Laser, The BPXL warhead fires a pourcupine shapes ball of BPLX's out after detonation, hitting many objects around the warhead and going significant damage. Excellent for targeting fast moving or numerous targets.

Armor: A blended titanium alloy skin with light weight advanced ceramic armor underneath, making a fairly light very strong and expenisve armor.




Space Stations



Sc-1 Space Battlestation

http://www.skoeter.com/images/id_000949.jpg


Height: 40m

Cylindrical Width: 10m

Armor: 35cm

Power: 1 Nuclear Powerplant

Personnel: 25
-2 Officers
-5 Security Guards
-2 LADIO Operators
-3 LADAR Operators
-10 Mk-1 Missile Tube Gunners
-4 SHEL Gunners

Weapons:
2 Strategic High Energy Lasers (SHEL)
-Nuclear fed laser, larger design then the THEL
-45 RPM
-Range of
6 Mk-1 Missile Tubes

Equipment:
52 SM-1 missiles
-All types
-Must be purchased seperately
6 Thrusters
3000 lbs. Rocket Fuel Tank
2 Laser Radar’s (LADAR)
1 Laser Radio (LADIO)

Auxiliary Equipment:
10 Satellite Cannon Mk 2's
-Keeps station completely supplied in war and peace
1 Ground Command In Control Bunker

Cost: $40,000,000,000


The Sc-1 is the basic all purpose space station. It can fire conventional and nuclear weapons as well as defend against an all out nuclear strike by another nation. Easily supplied by the satellite cannons and nearly impossible to shoot down with none nuclear munitions due to laser based PD systems.


Sc-2 Command Battlestation

http://history.msfc.nasa.gov/rocketry/images/32.gif


Height: 90m

Cylindrical Width: 25m

Armor: 60cm

Power: 2 Nuclear Powerplants

Personnel: 70
-3 Generals
-15 Officers
-5 Security Guards
-12 LADIO Operators
-13 Radio Operators
-5 LADAR Operators
-17 Mk-1 Missile Tube Gunners
-10 SHEL Gunners

Weapons:
6 Strategic High Energy Lasers (SHEL)
-Nuclear fed laser, larger design then the THEL
-45 RPM
-Range of
15 Mk-1 Missile Tubes

Equipment:
100 SM-1 missiles
-All types
-Must be purchased seperately
6 Thrusters
40000 lbs. Rocket Fuel Tank
5 Laser Radar’s (LADAR)
10 Laser Radio (LADIO)
10 UHF Radio sets

Auxiliary Equipment:
20 Satellite Cannon Mk 2's
-Keeps station completely supplied in war and peace
1 Ground Command In Control Bunker

Cost: $95,000,000,000(NOT FOR SALE)

The Sc-2 is a space based command center, ready to coordinate a war anywhere in the world at a moments notice. Several of these can run an entire nation defenses from space, and defend that same nation attack by ICBM's. It is meant to supplement a cohesive network of Sc-1 Battlestations in defending a nation. A significantly larger fuel tank allows for the refilling of spacecraft without possibly limiting the abilities of the Sc-2.


Spacecraft


Q-33 Heavy Lifter

http://www.ia.spacegrant.org/x-33.jpg


Length: 8m

Width: 5m max.

Height: 2.8m

Cargo: 20,000 lbs. or 100 people

Cost: $5,000,000,000 per ship

Based off the X-33 VentureStar (http://www.fas.org/spp/guide/usa/launch/x-33.htm) made by the US the Q-33 is a fully operational ground to space transport.


Cargo-class Starship

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/scans/factfiles/karemma-ship.jpg

b]Length:[/b] 500m

Width: 200m

Height: 75m

Armor: 10cm

Systems:
Dual 2m Ion Engines
-0.008 KPS acceleration
-20 hours of sustain acceleration
4 Minispike Thrusters
-4000 lbs. of fuel
3 Nuclear Reactors
20 SHEL turrets
-10 side, 5 fore, 5 aft

Crew: 50

Cargo: 1,000 tons or 8,000 people

Cost: $200,000,000,000

The Cargo-class is the interplantary heavy hauler, and requires an extensive maintenace network to use these massive ships. The ICS Terra is the only known station large enough to handle the Cargo-class and looks to remain that way for the near future. With only a handful of defensive lasers the Cargo is not a warship and thus doesn't cost as much as a similarly sized warship.



Frigate-class Starfighter

http://www.kkinteractive.com/webgraphics/spacecraft.jpg


Length: 10m

Width: 4m

Height: 3m

Armor: 10cm

Systems:
Dual 20cm Aerospike Engines
-6 KPS acceleration
-1 hours of sustain acceleration
8 Minispike Thrusters
-1000 lbs. of fuel
1 Mini-Nuclear Reactor
4 External SM-1A Missile Hardpoints
1 forward SHEL turret
-30 degree firing cone

Crew: 3

Cost: $10,000,000,000

The Frigate-class is a space fighter meant for interception of ICBM's and close fighting with larger ships, not much punch but the SHEL added to the extreme manuverablility means that this ship can hunt down ICBM's with easy. A fleet of these can give you almost 100% ICBM defense.


Destroyer-class Warship

http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:gioTx_VF5JkJ:traveller.tablegame.jp/img/illust-starship.jpg


Length: 23m

Width:11m

Height: 6m

Armor: 25cm

Systems:
Dual 40cm Aerospike Engines/Dual 15cm Aerospike Engines
-8 KPS acceleration
-1 hours of sustain acceleration
4 Minispike Thrusters
-800 lbs. of fuel
1 Nuclear Reactor
5 Mk-1 Missile Tubes
-2 on each broadside, 1 forward
-20 SM-1 Missiles
2 SHEL turrets
-180 degree firing cone
-1 aft, 1 fore

Crew: 8

Cost: $25,000,000,000

A true warship the Destroyer-class is meant to battle in space, as well as delivery devastatingly accuracte orbital bombardment. As with all warships the Destroyer has the ability to shoot down missiles, including ICBM's. However the Destroyer has a speed and range advantage over the Frigate, but lacks the manuvering capability.



Cruiser-class Warship

http://users.kiss.si/~k4ef0519/photos2/starship.jpg


Length: 55m

Width:25m

Height: 10m

Armor: 60cm

Systems:
Dual 1m Aerospike Engines
-4 KPS acceleration
-1 hours of sustain acceleration
5 Minispike Thrusters
-1000 lbs. of fuel
1 85cm Ion Engine
-0.01 KPS acceleration
-28 hours sustain acceleration
1 Nuclear Reactor
14 Mk-1 Missile Tubes
-6 on each broadside, 1 fore, 1 aft
-60 SM-1 Missiles
8 SHEL turrets
-180 degree firing cone
-3 on each broadside, 1 fore, 1 aft

Crew: 24

Cost: $60,000,000,000(NOT FOR SALE)


Heavyist warship produced to date, and by far the most powerful. Capable of interplanetary travel by its Ion engine and delivering the heavy firepower anywhere on the globe withing a record time.



Carrier-class Warship

http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:4eDr9c88tDkJ:www.imaginetix.co.uk/images%255Cimg%255Charrington_02.jpg


Length: 120m

Width:50m

Height: 30m

Armor: 50cm

Systems:
1.5m Aerospike Engines
-2 KPS acceleration
-1 hours of sustain acceleration
6 Minispike Thrusters
-1000 lbs. of fuel
1m Ion Engine
-0.015 KPS acceleration
-18 hours sustain acceleration
2 Nuclear Reactors
4 Heavy Fuel Tanks
-Carries enough to refuel Frigate 3 times
5 Mk-1 Missile Tubes
-2 on each broadside, 1 fore
-200 SM-1 Missiles
8 SHEL turrets
-180 degree firing cone
-3 on each broadside, 1 fore, 1 aft
15 Frigate-class Starfighters


Crew: 100

Cost: $250,000,000,000(NOT FOR SALE)

The Carrier is the largest of the warships, and possibly the longest ranged. The Frigate allow the Carrier to stay out of range of the longest reaching weapons will continue to deliver the defense and offence. The Carrier is mostly hollow on the inside to accomadate the Frigates making most the its size empty compared the packed nature of the rest of the ships.


Battlecruiser-class Warship

http://www.planetary.org/learn/art/images/Starship.jpg


Length: 100m

Width:60m

Height: 10m

Armor: 1m

Systems:
Dual 1m Ion Engines Engines
-0.015 KPS acceleration
-30 hours of sustain acceleration
5 Minispike Thrusters
-2000 lbs. of fuel
2 1.5m Aerospike Engine
-3.4 KPS acceleration
-1 hour sustain acceleration
2 Nuclear Reactors
30 Mk-1 Missile Tubes
-14 on each broadside, 1 fore, 1 aft
-120 SM-1 Missiles
20 SHEL turrets
-180 degree firing cone
-7 on each broadside, 3 fore, 3 aft

Crew: 60

Cost: $135,000,000,000(NOT FOR SALE)




Missiles

SM-1 Series Missile

http://www.jhuapl.edu/newscenter/pressreleases/2002/images/Freejet1.jpg

Length: 4m

Width: 80cm

Acceleration: 12 KPS

Guided Range: 800 km

Types:
SM-1A: Short ranged and smaller version, made specifically for the Frigate and only able to be carried by the Frigate.
-SM-1A1: Carries 5 BPXL warheads
-SM-1A2: Carries 5 10 Megaton Nuclear Warheads
SM-2: The conventional orbital bombardment missile fired from all warships. Carries 30, 500-lbs. JDAM munitions.
SM-3: The nuclear orbital bombardment missile fired from all warships. Carrier 10, 10 Megaton Nuclear Warheads.
SM-4: The Antiship/ABM missile fired from all warships. Carriers 10 BPXL warheads.
SM-5: Larger then the rest and requires special loading proceedures, take much longer then the rest to load into a tube. Carries a single gigaton-class nuclear warhead.

Cost: $10,000,000


PLEASE TAKE NOTE OF THE FOLLOWING

1. We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone with no explaination given.
2. No nuclear weapons come with these ships or missiles, all must be provided by the buyer, however the cost of the missile/ship includes arming it with nuclear weapons if the buyer has them.
3. YOU must calculate your order, I won't.
4. All ships have bunkerage for missiles, but you must buy them seperately.
5. Construction doesn't start until March 24 RL time, but orders can be placed now.
6.Space on the shipyards are limited, so it is first come first serve.

Nice storefront. I'm a bit curious about the picture of the carrier. Where did get it from? It looks like an honorverse warship and pics of those are hard to come by.

Thank you, and yes it is an Honorverse ship. I found it using a google image search, I could only find this one and one with a full length view of the GNS Honor Harrington.

GNS Honor Harrington? Was it the official comparison picture to a regular SD, or a fanart creation?

OOC: It was a 3D model by a fan of the series.

when the sale starts i would like 30 sc-1 spacebattleships, 3 destroyer-class warships, 200 sm-1 series missles, and 30 frigate-class starfighters at a total of $497,000,000,000.
i have a question why do you show the items that we can't buy and why can't wee buy them

We are very pleased with the first and only Sc-1 Space Battlestation, now completed, that orbits our new Homeworld of Novar. It can be refitted at will, however, we will not do this since all it is made with has shown itself to be a lasting piece of equipment. Although we have no need for a Space Battlestation since no disliked nations, any nation for that matter, is on Novar expect for us, since we were allowed to find a new and uninabited system after the destruction of Ancient Rudavia and our save by Alien Beings.

Anyway, we wish to purchase two more to allow three to be orbiting our beautiful and untouched, expect by our first and still only colony that began our lives again, Homeworld to allow a good Defense Ring to be around Novar, or whatnot.

We thank you, and cannot wait to purchase the Command Station, as we have seen what Scellia Craftsmanship and Workmanship can do. We are truly thankful for such great stations that are built to last as long as its reactor could ever last.


Sc-1 Space Battlestation

Cost: $40,000,000,000
Overall Cost: $80,000,000,000

=Payment sent upon comfirmation, as when the same ships that built the first station will come and pick up the parts for both bought stations and assemble them in orbit=

If you are interested, there is space available for your storefront at this URL:

http://s4.invisionfree.com/The_Unforgiven_Board/index.php?c=6

If you make a storefront there, no need to constantly bump for it, no need to worry about losing data, and no need to worry about random annoying posts (like this one!). You get to be a mod, and can just delete them!

Also, in addition to the space available for storefronts, we also have several storefronts already active! Come check it out!

Papapotato:You might want to purchase I few less stuff, that is almost all your national budget. Plus 30 Sc-1's would be 1.2 trillion, so I think you need to reclac your stuff. I put it up there since it might be avalibe in the future and for reference, if I say I use a Cruiser on someone then I need the stats someplace.

Nodea Rudav: Order confirmed, when our shipyard come online your will be the first produced.

Itakeitall: I will definately look into it, I may run both at the same time, so that people who don't like to go off board will look at the store. I'll contact you soon if I feel that it will be a good use of time, which it looks to be.

Thank you Scellia, I believe we can have exchanges of Technology soon, since your an Ally of the People, Comrade Brethren Ally as we still call them.

Ships are in-bound to pick up the Sc-1 Space Battlestation packages bought.

We thank Scellia for allowing us to have the first produced, I believe.

some pretty cool stuff here! My only problem is the "mini nuclear reactors"

How the eff do THOSE work at modern tech level?

They are just really small, but works like any other reactor. A reactor doesn't have to be the size of those found in aircraft carriers to work, they just produce less power due to the less amount of equipment found on them.

As with the armour, I don't understand why you're trying to sell this as Modern, when clearly, nothing like this will exist for at least forty years, at the most optimistic estimate.

I won't make such a big deal this time, though, in case I start to get a reputation as the destroyer of technology :wink:

Advanced ceramic are used in tank armor, and titanium alloys are used in the space industry already. This one you can't get me on :P !

Advanced ceramic are used in tank armor, and titanium alloys are used in the space industry already. This one you can't get me on :P !

I didn't mean the ship armour - I meant the power armour I busted you on :wink:

It's not the individual technologies involved. It's more the actual ships themselves, that would take decades to design, prepare the infrastructure to support and build, and then actually build. Just because ion engines are modern tech, it doesn't necessarily follow that large interplanetary warships powered by ion engines are modern tech.

Bah. I wasn't meaning to argue this. You just had to go and :P at me! :wink:

Would a $10 Trillion space colony with a $100 Billion shipyard let me construct this stuff?

Would a $10 Trillion space colony with a $100 Billion shipyard let me construct this stuff?

I think the $10 Trillion space colony and shipyard would also count as future tech.

Just because it costs a lot of money doesn't make it future tech, where did you get that idea?

Just because it costs a lot of money doesn't make it future tech, where did you get that idea?

It's not the price. It's the fact that orbital shipyards are not modern tech, because nothing like that exists today. Just because the technology exists today, doesn't mean that the constructs themselves can be disigned and built and put in orbit in six months. They'd take decades, putting them outside the modern bracket.

Of course, you could say you've been designing them since the 70s, or some such, but that doesn't make them modern tech, that just makes it future tech that you have now. That's no different to saying 'I had my industrial revolution in the 14th century'.

Actually, if the Nations of the Real World United in the Quest to do so, it would be able to happen in perhaps one year to five years, if everything went well.

Actually, if the Nations of the Real World United in the Quest to do so, it would be able to happen in perhaps one year to five years, if everything went well.

That's rather optimistic. They're supposedly uniting in building the international space station, and that's taken 10+ years already, and it's nothing like an orbital shipyard, let alone a space warship.

OOC:

I said if they United, IF. It ain't gonna happen anytime soon, I know, just saying.

You're confusing modern tech with already built, it is modern if the requiste tech exists but doesn't nessesarily have to be put together. The US could make a space colony like this with the shipyards for 10 trillion, it is just that we don't have 10 trillion to spend and the voter wouldn't go for it. However in NS the nations are bigger and the eco's more powerful so it is modern tech and is feasible. It is going to take 7 years to build the colony and the Scellian eco has been gearing for this for 7 years before that. The ISS is not really a space station of cooperative effort, if everyone gave their money to the US to do it it would be much cheaper and faster.

You're confusing modern tech with already built, it is modern if the requiste tech exists but doesn't nessesarily have to be put together. The US could make a space colony like this with the shipyards for 10 trillion, it is just that we don't have 10 trillion to spend and the voter wouldn't go for it. However in NS the nations are bigger and the eco's more powerful so it is modern tech and is feasible. It is going to take 7 years to build the colony and the Scellian eco has been gearing for this for 7 years before that. The ISS is not really a space station of cooperative effort, if everyone gave their money to the US to do it it would be much cheaper and faster.

Already built is the definition of modern tech. Building a space warship requires you to design systems and structures that do not currently have an equivalent in the modern world. If it's not built yet, then it's future tech. The M16 rifle is technically possible with 1880s technology, but the M16 rifle itself is not 1880s tech.

If the NS world is that different, then the term 'Modern' hardly applies, because it applies to the real world. Something that isn't going to be possible in the real world for fifty years, cannot by any stretch of the imagination be called modern tech.

Yet you are wrong, the M-16 is not able to be produced in 1880. They didn't have several advances need, which is why the original Gatling gun was around. All the systems and strutures DO have RL equivelents, or could be made with computer simulations, it simply is possible. If it is not built then it can be modern tech, or there would be no unique products.

Yet you are wrong, the M-16 is not able to be produced in 1880. They didn't have several advances need, which is why the original Gatling gun was around. All the systems and strutures DO have RL equivelents, or could be made with computer simulations, it simply is possible. If it is not built then it can be modern tech, or there would be no unique products.

Tell me which parts of the M16 could not be built in the 1880s? With the invention of metallic cartridges, gas-operated, magazine-fed breach-loading rifles, and the recoil-operated maxim gun, the technology was there, just as ion drives, the space shuttle, and other bits of space technology are there to prelude your space warship. However, just as firearms technology of the 1880s required decades of refinement and two world wars to reach the M16 rifle, so does the space technology you are using here. Current space technology, using only what exists today, will not build you a space cruiser.

The cooling mechanism for one, and the frame of the rifle is made out of modern polymers. The early machine guns didn't have nearly the same Rate Of Fire so the same mechanism is not used in the breach. Also the magazine fed rifles were all Bolt Action, because the technology just wasn't there. So really the M-16 is impossible back then, however you might give a good arguement about it being almost able to be made in WWII but the advanced frame would still have been out of reach.

OOC: People, I am still accepting orders. This is just a side debate, and it looks like for this time I will win it.

The cooling mechanism for one, and the frame of the rifle is made out of modern polymers. The early machine guns didn't have nearly the same Rate Of Fire so the same mechanism is not used in the breach. Also the magazine fed rifles were all Bolt Action, because the technology just wasn't there. So really the M-16 is impossible back then, however you might give a good arguement about it being almost able to be made in WWII but the advanced frame would still have been out of reach.

OOC: People, I am still accepting orders. This is just a side debate, and it looks like for this time I will win it.

The maxim gun had a rate of fire of about 500-600rpm, which is pretty similar to modern machineguns, although it fired a heavier cartridge than the M16.

The polymer frame is just a cosmetic issue - you could easily make it out of metal or wood. I'm referring more to the firing mechanism.

Magazine fed rifles were not all bolt action, and since the recoil operated maxim gun existed, they could easily be made semi-automatic or fully-automatic using the existing technology. The reason they didn't was because the technology was in its infant stages (much like the current ion-engines, and some of the other tech you'd need to build your ships), and also, they for some reason preferred bolt-action rifles even up until the korean war.

Your argument here is actually strengthening mine, assuming I manage to phrase it correctly:

The M16 works on the exact same technological principles as firearms being made in the 1880s (but more refined), in the same way that your space warships use the same technological principles in use by NASA in the modern era (but more refined). However, if your space warships are M16s, modern space technology is the maxim gun. Although they use the same basic technology, one is separated from the other by decades of development. The ion drive in the link you provided was only just developed mere months ago. To then incorporate it into a highly-complex warship design, in a version advanced enough to guarantee sufficient performance, and have the capability to build and launch the things, will take decades more. So the finished product is future tech. You can claim you've had this technology longer than the US, but that does not make it modern.

OOC: I'm going to respond via TG because I want to leave this thread for orders.

BUMP, pre-orders are still being accepted.

Two more days until orders can be completed, and still accepting pre-orders!

BUMP!

You got my order on the Command Station thingie, right?

No, we didn't get your order for the Command Station, however we don't sell those. Also we would like to BUMP this, one more day until deliveries.

Secret IC to Nodea Rudav...

We are willing to sell you a Commade Station, but only if you pick it up in secret. We know you are trustworthy so we are willing to sell to a closely allied state such as you. It will be added to your order.

Bump!

Very nice storefront. :wink:
The Commonwealth of Granzi would like to purchase:

3 FRIGATE CLASS STARFIGHTERS
1 DESTROYER CLASS WARSHIP

for a total of $55 Billion. If it is possible, payment will be made over 3 NS years. $25 Billion the first year, and then $15 Billion every subsequent year. Money wired on confirmation.

Because we are just beginning to expand into space, the Commonwealth does not yet have a space station. Therefore, is it possible for these spacecraft to reenter the atmosphere and land to be periodically resupplied and maintained? Thank you.

Best Regards,
Secretary Nauvi
Department of Space

Actually these craft are strictly exo-atmospheric. However I suggest that you look at my other storefront for Satellite cannons, not very fast or effiecent but will get the job done for these smaller craft.

Your order is confirmed, and productio is officially started. All order up until now will be filled within 1-3 NS years, thank you for your business and use your weapons wisely.

Hello, it's us again. This time the Commonwealth would like to purchase 400 SM-1 SERIES MISSILES divided as the following:

75 SM-1As
25 SM-1A1s
300 SM-2s

for $4 Billion. Could you deliver them ASAP as I think Granzi may soon be sucked into a war....
A pleasure doing business with you. Keep up the excellent work. :P

Sincerely,
Secretary Nauvi
Department of Space

They will be delviery with the rest of your order, the shipyards are churning away as we speak.

i am sorry i meant 3 sc-1s not thrityand my budget is higher now that it was befor so.

i am sorry i meant 3 sc-1s not thrity and my budget is higher now that it was befor so.

is it ok if i just remake my order and add some stuff,

i would like 5 q-33 heavy lifters, 1 cargo-class starship, 3 sc-1 spacestations, 3 destroyes-class warships 200 sm-5s, and 3 frigate-class starships for a total of 451,000,000,000
money will be wired upon confirmation and hopefully i did the math right.

Order confirmed, all other orders have been finished and delivered so this one is now under construction. Expect delivery in 2-5 NS months.

Bump

Bump!

BUMP

BUMP

We Bump once more...

To bump or not to bump, look like I'm bumping.

Scellia, when will you be:

A. offering more spacecraft for sale? (i.e. cruiser)
B. allowing more nations to send up a colony to your Space Station, Terra?

I might buy, but I need to know this first. Thanks. :)

Actually I posted something call ISC Luna, but for some reason it has disappeared into the depths of NS and even the search function can't find it. It was a follow station, so I will repost it soon and see it this one doesn't mysteriously vanish.

Could you t-gram me the topic name? Thanks.

OK, when it gets posted I will drop you a TG. Otherwise BUMP!

3 Sc-1 Space Battlestation
$120,000,000,000
1 Sc-2 Command Battlestation (Send when produced)
$95,000,000,000

Total: $215,000,000,000

/Money Wired for all upon Confirmation, shipping requested ASAP/